RB rankings - 4 drafts number averaged (adp within the position) (1 Viewer)

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

SO i was really bored at work and the annual winter survivor league drafts are just about completed.

check this thread here in the mock drafts forum:

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...howtopic=456245

The most hardcore and best football minds on this board got together and drafted. Now this isnt typical redraft 12 league stuff, so I'm not looking at the typical overall ADP cause that doesnt mean much.

Link to QB thread: http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...howtopic=456540

link to WR thread: http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...howtopic=456643

But average draft within a position can show alot. Here are the rankings PPR! :

1 Adrian Peterson

2 Michael Turner

3 DeAngelo Williams

4 Matt Forte

5 Steven Jackson

6 Maurice Jones-Drew

7 Brian Westbrook

8 Chris Johnson

9 LaDainian Tomlinson

10 Clinton Portis

11 Steve Slaton

12 Marion Barber III

13 Frank Gore

14 Marshawn Lynch

15 Brandon Jacobs

16 Ronnie Brown

17 Reggie Bush

18 Joseph Addai

19 Thomas Jones

20 Pierre Thomas

21 Kevin Smith

22 Darren McFadden

23 Larry Johnson

24 Ryan Grant

25 John Stewart

26 Willie Parker

27 LenDale White

28 Tim Hightower

29 Jamal Lewis

30 Knowshon Moreno

31 Derrick Ward

32 Willis McGahee

33 LeRon McClain

34 Chris Wells

35 Darrne Sproles

36 Cedric Benson

37 Leon Washington

38 Ernie Graham

39 Jerious Norwood

40 LeShaun McCoy

41 Laurence Maroney

42 Fred Jackson

43 Rashard Mendenhall

If this generates enough discussion here I'll post QB and WR later.

TO me a few things stand out

MB3 and Addai are screaming VALUE

People still believe in Steven Jackson

The rookies at this point are bargains due to not knowning where they are at and none of them really standing out

thoughts?

 

[CentralPA]

stupid question

Is this PPR?

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

stupid questionIs this PPR?

yes

 

[Captain Hook]

agree to a point that Barber and Addai are undervalued...............BUT both had seasons far less than what we expected from them last year.............I suspect a lot of the drafters are just going by last year's numbers

I think Pierre Thomas among many others was undervalued.

Thomas Jones and DMac drafted too high for my tastes

 

[TheNext0]

Gore seems a little low to me. Good value there.

I'd like to see QB and WR!

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

agree to a point that Barber and Addai are undervalued...............BUT both had seasons far less than what we expected from them last year.............I suspect a lot of the drafters are just going by last year's numbersI think Pierre Thomas among many others was undervalued. Thomas Jones and DMac drafted too high for my tastes

right but they couldnt be as bad as last year right? Dom Rhodes is a FA and Hart is banged up so Indy doesnt have anyone else. MB3 does have 2 capable back behind him, so I can see it. But to me he's the guy to haveand whats funny is that I think Pierre is over valued and Bush alittle under, his surgery wasnt as bad as reported (not a true microfracture)I agree on Tjones especially with no Favre.Dmac is on Oakland, nuff said

 

[Biabreakable]

Is this also dynasty or something?

Not much respect for LT and Portis here.

 

[scrumptrulescent]

LT

Barber

Gore

Addai

Ronnie Brown

Pierre Thomas

All undervalued.

SJax? Lot's of guys apperently still have stiffies for him. I'd never take him ahead of a "starting" MJD....not in any league let alone PPR.

Reggie Bush may be completely worthless next year.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Is this also dynasty or something?Not much respect for LT and Portis here.

nope not dynasty.most people think C-po and LT's best years are behind them even in re-draft

 

[gethugefast1]

agree to a point that Barber and Addai are undervalued...............BUT both had seasons far less than what we expected from them last year.............I suspect a lot of the drafters are just going by last year's numbersI think Pierre Thomas among many others was undervalued. Thomas Jones and DMac drafted too high for my tastes

right but they couldnt be as bad as last year right? Dom Rhodes is a FA and Hart is banged up so Indy doesnt have anyone else. MB3 does have 2 capable back behind him, so I can see it. But to me he's the guy to haveand whats funny is that I think Pierre is over valued and Bush alittle under, his surgery wasnt as bad as reported (not a true microfracture)I agree on Tjones especially with no Favre.Dmac is on Oakland, nuff said

Chris Wesseling: RotoworldMarion Barber, RB, Cowboys – In his first year after escaping the "closer"/goal-line pigeon-hole in which he excelled, Barber saw his per carry average drop by more than a yard. Along the way, Felix Jones flashed tremendous game-breaking potential at an astounding 8.9 yards per carry while fellow rookie Tashard Choice exploded against a string of dominant defenses to close out the season. The writing is on the wall in Dallas: Jones won't be underutilized for a second straight season, and Choice is more than just an insurance policy. Meanwhile, the concerns about Barber's physical style taking a toll on his body aren't going away. Barber will maintain startable value in '09, but owners should expect to see his touches and consistency tail off.

 

[Biabreakable]

Is this also dynasty or something?Not much respect for LT and Portis here.

nope not dynasty.most people think C-po and LT's best years are behind them even in re-draft

I guess so.Yes LT will be the dreaded 30 once the season starts and he fell out of the top 5 last year for the 1st time since his rookie season. However this is how LT has ranked during his career:

Year Age G FantPos FantPt VBD PosRank OvRank 2001 22 16 RB 220 85 7 13 2002 23 16 RB 307 155 3 3 2003 24 16 RB 346 204 2 2 2004 25 15 RB 287 130 3 5 2005 26 16 RB 323 180 3 3 2006 27 16 RB 431 270 1 1 2007 28 16 RB 310 174 1 2 2008 29 16 RB 226 77 7 15 	2450 1275

Walter Payton:

Year Age G FantPos FantPt VBD PosRank OvRank 1975 21 13 RB 129 16 17 52 1976 22 14 RB 232 124 2 4 1977 23 14 RB 308 217 1 1 1978 24 16 RB 254 106 1 1 1979 25 16 RB 296 150 1 1 1980 26 16 RB 225 97 4 8 1981 27 16 RB 208 62 13 24 1982 28 9 RB 104 44 13 35 1983 29 16 RB 269 118 4 7 1984 30 16 RB 283 157 4 5 1985 31 16 RB 279 129 4 4 1986 32 16 RB 236 98 5 9 1987 33 12 RB 103  28  	2926 1318

Emmitt Smith:

[Year Age G FantPos FantPt VBD PosRank OvRank 1990 21 16 RB 183 54 7 13 1991 22 16 RB 260 138 3 4 1992 23 16 RB 319 209 1 1 1993 24 14 RB 250 136 1 3 1994 25 15 RB 315 187 1 2 1995 26 16 RB 365 225 1 1 1996 27 15 RB 235 107 5 10 1997 28 16 RB 155 20 18 53 1998 29 16 RB 241 113 6 7 1999 30 15 RB 230 100 5 8 2000 31 16 RB 182 23 20 55 2001 32 14 RB 132  25  2002 33 16 RB 136  26  2003 34 10 RB 48  63  2004 35 15 RB 165 8 22 69 	3216 1320

LT is a lock for 50+ receptions so the PPR argument wouldn't be a very good one. I dunno I will take my chances on a 30 year old RB who has NEVER finished worse than RB7 in his career over the likes of 3 DeAngelo Williams - Love this guys talent but only done it one year. RBBC looms.4 Matt Forte - One year. I really think Forte is for real but I already know LT and Portis are for real.5 Steven Jackson - Bad offense. He is no LT or Portis.6 Maurice Jones-Drew - Not taking potential over a proven player.7 Brian Westbrook - I can see this because of the PPR but the age and decline concerns are more here than with LT or Portis imho.8 Chris Johnson - Please RBBC.Portis is not quite at the same level as LT but he has been a very solid RB as well:

Year Age G FantPos FantPt VBD PosRank OvRank 2002 21 16 RB 289 137 4 4 2003 22 13 RB 275 133 5 7 2004 23 15 RB 204 46 11 31 2005 24 16 RB 246 103 6 7 2006 25 8 RB 111  36  2007 26 16 RB 238 102 4 9 2008 27 16 RB 225 76 8 16 	1588 597

Portis is only 28 years old and still in his prime. You could argue for some of those other RB over him I guess but personaly I would rather stick with a proven RB like Portis over some of the issues those other guys have.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Is this also dynasty or something?Not much respect for LT and Portis here.

nope not dynasty.most people think C-po and LT's best years are behind them even in re-draft

I guess so.Yes LT will be the dreaded 30 once the season starts and he fell out of the top 5 last year for the 1st time since his rookie season. However this is how LT has ranked during his career:

Year Age G FantPos FantPt VBD PosRank OvRank 2001 22 16 RB 220 85 7 13 2002 23 16 RB 307 155 3 3 2003 24 16 RB 346 204 2 2 2004 25 15 RB 287 130 3 5 2005 26 16 RB 323 180 3 3 2006 27 16 RB 431 270 1 1 2007 28 16 RB 310 174 1 2 2008 29 16 RB 226 77 7 15 	2450 1275

Walter Payton:

Year Age G FantPos FantPt VBD PosRank OvRank 1975 21 13 RB 129 16 17 52 1976 22 14 RB 232 124 2 4 1977 23 14 RB 308 217 1 1 1978 24 16 RB 254 106 1 1 1979 25 16 RB 296 150 1 1 1980 26 16 RB 225 97 4 8 1981 27 16 RB 208 62 13 24 1982 28 9 RB 104 44 13 35 1983 29 16 RB 269 118 4 7 1984 30 16 RB 283 157 4 5 1985 31 16 RB 279 129 4 4 1986 32 16 RB 236 98 5 9 1987 33 12 RB 103  28  	2926 1318

Emmitt Smith:

[Year Age G FantPos FantPt VBD PosRank OvRank 1990 21 16 RB 183 54 7 13 1991 22 16 RB 260 138 3 4 1992 23 16 RB 319 209 1 1 1993 24 14 RB 250 136 1 3 1994 25 15 RB 315 187 1 2 1995 26 16 RB 365 225 1 1 1996 27 15 RB 235 107 5 10 1997 28 16 RB 155 20 18 53 1998 29 16 RB 241 113 6 7 1999 30 15 RB 230 100 5 8 2000 31 16 RB 182 23 20 55 2001 32 14 RB 132  25  2002 33 16 RB 136  26  2003 34 10 RB 48  63  2004 35 15 RB 165 8 22 69 	3216 1320

LT is a lock for 50+ receptions so the PPR argument wouldn't be a very good one. I dunno I will take my chances on a 30 year old RB who has NEVER finished worse than RB7 in his career over the likes of 3 DeAngelo Williams - Love this guys talent but only done it one year. RBBC looms.4 Matt Forte - One year. I really think Forte is for real but I already know LT and Portis are for real.5 Steven Jackson - Bad offense. He is no LT or Portis.6 Maurice Jones-Drew - Not taking potential over a proven player.7 Brian Westbrook - I can see this because of the PPR but the age and decline concerns are more here than with LT or Portis imho.8 Chris Johnson - Please RBBC.Portis is not quite at the same level as LT but he has been a very solid RB as well:

Year Age G FantPos FantPt VBD PosRank OvRank 2002 21 16 RB 289 137 4 4 2003 22 13 RB 275 133 5 7 2004 23 15 RB 204 46 11 31 2005 24 16 RB 246 103 6 7 2006 25 8 RB 111  36  2007 26 16 RB 238 102 4 9 2008 27 16 RB 225 76 8 16 	1588 597

Portis is only 28 years old and still in his prime. You could argue for some of those other RB over him I guess but personaly I would rather stick with a proven RB like Portis over some of the issues those other guys have.

' excellent points. alot of the guys taken in the 2-10 range in these drafts have the "bust" feel to themI'll gladly take LT at the bottom of round 1 myself

 

[Lott's Fingertip]

Regarding Steven Jackson:

He was in the worst possible situation last season. Crap line, crap offense, crap defense. NOTHING going for him.

In my Non-PPR league he finished #3 in weekly average. #3.

What can he do if the line solidifies, which will help the passing game?

I can understand not loving him, but it's hard to argue with his production. He's very solidly in that large 2nd tier of RBs, after Peterson and Turner.... all of the next 10 RBs have issues of some sort.

And he does not lose any value in PPR.... he was on pace for between 50 and 60 catches.

People are down on him, but I don't think they realize how productive he really is. He may be a great value come draft day.

 

[FUBAR]

alot of the guys taken in the 2-10 range in these drafts have the "bust" feel to themI'll gladly take LT at the bottom of round 1 myself

I was thrilled with LT/Moss at the 1.16/2.01 turnI also like Lynch at the early 2nd.

 

[BuckeyeArt]

Why is Turner #2 in a PPR? He shouldn't be that high when he only has 6 receptions over he course of a season.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Why is Turner #2 in a PPR? He shouldn't be that high when he only has 6 receptions over he course of a season.

thats how he averaged out.pretty safe pick if you ask me IMO, If i have #2 in re-draft I probalby take him regardless of scoring format.Westbrook is old, Deangelo, Forte and CJ all have that "flahs in the pan" feel. Now I know turner never carried the load before last year either but his situation and having watched him for years in SD, he's my choice for #2Michael Turner ,3,3,4,3 for a 3.25 averageDeAngelo Williams 7, 2,3,4 for a 4 averageMatt Forte 2,9,2,5 for a 4.5 averageSteven Jackson 4,5,7,2 for a 4.5 average

 

[Hersh]

This is rather interesting. I for one appreciate your efforts and wouldn't mind seeing the results for the other skill positions.

 

[Mr. Pink]

Gore is ranked too low, PPR or otherwise.

Staying on topic, the guy has caught 61, 53 and 43 passes in his 3 seasons as a starter. I understand that this shows a trend of fewer catches/season, but not enough to put him outside of the top ten. This is especially true since he represents over 40% of the Niners total offensive production.

I know, not a great offense. Still, 40 % is 40%.

 

[BigJim®]

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Gore is ranked too low, PPR or otherwise. Staying on topic, the guy has caught 61, 53 and 43 passes in his 3 seasons as a starter. I understand that this shows a trend of fewer catches/season, but not enough to put him outside of the top ten. This is especially true since he represents over 40% of the Niners total offensive production.I know, not a great offense. Still, 40 % is 40%.

I agree, very low Floor grabbing him myself in round 1 at 1.15 was solid

 

[madd futher]

I agree completely that Gore is way too low, even in non-PPR.

But I take issue with the above comment on MJD at #6 - "Not taking potential over a proven player" What 'potential' does MJD have yet to prove? Hith Freddie in the twilight of his career, and especially in PPR I would even rank him higher than #6.

 

[Biabreakable]

I agree completely that Gore is way too low, even in non-PPR.But I take issue with the above comment on MJD at #6 - "Not taking potential over a proven player" What 'potential' does MJD have yet to prove? Hith Freddie in the twilight of his career, and especially in PPR I would even rank him higher than #6.

You mention what he has left to proove as a reason to expect even more upside from him based on his potential.Full workload.

 

[Blood Farmer]

Am I missing something? Where is Felix? He should not be below 24 in a PPR league.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Am I missing something? Where is Felix? He should not be below 24 in a PPR league.

why? too many horses there, he's a part time playerHe went at RB47,45,42 and 36 in leagues 1-4 didnt average high enough to be included in the top 40

 

[Blood Farmer]

Sure he is RBBC but look at these guys. Felix will have more combined 100yd games than any of these guys. Who isn't in a committee here?

Vastly underrated. If he is healthy he will get enough touches. He isn't a top 10 back but he should outperform anyone ranked below him with the possible exceptions of Willie Parker and Jamal Lewis. Maybe Earnest Graham.

25 John Stewart

26 Willie Parker

27 LenDale White

28 Tim Hightower

29 Jamal Lewis

30 Knowshon Moreno

31 Derrick Ward

32 Willis McGahee

33 LeRon McClain

34 Chris Wells

35 Darrne Sproles

36 Cedric Benson

37 Leon Washington

38 Ernie Graham

39 Jerious Norwood

40 LeShaun McCoy

41 Laurence Maroney

42 Fred Jackson

43 Rashard Mendenhall

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

i agree felix maybe underrated at this point. People were taking Choice before him in some drafts.