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RB Ronald Jones, Cowboys (1 Viewer)

He just has too many holes in his game. Can’t block, can’t catch, waaaaaaaaaaaay too many fumbles. It’s just not good enough. As a Bucs fan I’m fine with this guy being in a rotation but there’s just too many mistakes. 

 
Capella said:
He just has too many holes in his game. Can’t block, can’t catch, waaaaaaaaaaaay too many fumbles. It’s just not good enough. As a Bucs fan I’m fine with this guy being in a rotation but there’s just too many mistakes. 
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Sometimes people just wake up and stub their toe and put salt in their coffee.

 
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TripItUp said:
Great buy low candidate IMHO.  He is twice the runner that Fournette is.

His time will come.
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Better runner than LF, not a better player. 
 

There’s very very little chance Jones pulls way ahead of LF and becomes the sustained every down guy. 

 
Capella said:
Better runner than LF, not a better player. 
 

There’s very very little chance Jones pulls way ahead of LF and becomes the sustained every down guy. 
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I agree. I think it’s a 3-headed mess all year, and with Arians, any mistake could mean a benching.

it is worth noting that he seems to be harder on Jones than anyone. IMO, Lenny’s volleyball was much worse than Jones’ fumble. On the fumble, there was a heck of a defensive play to punch that ball out.  By comparison, Lenny was wide open & just flailed away at the ball, a totally unforced error.

Godwin’s fumble was a tough one as with the momentum of the play it was like a car crash.

Didn't see Lenny or Godwin benched for those, but with Jones ya just knew it was coming. 

 
Capella said:
He just has too many holes in his game. Can’t block, can’t catch, waaaaaaaaaaaay too many fumbles. It’s just not good enough. As a Bucs fan I’m fine with this guy being in a rotation but there’s just too many mistakes. 
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He only had 2 last year which in fairness was 2 more than Fournette had. 

 
jobarules said:
He only had 2 last year which in fairness was 2 more than Fournette had. 
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On one of them, it was a 5 yard pass that Brady threw at 110 mph and low to Jones, where Jones had to spin around, and go to a knee to make the catch just as a defender crunched him hard. 

At the time there was some debate about whether Jones even had possession of the ball for it to be ruled a fumble. IIRC it went to review & the call on the field stood (rather than confirmed) because it was a bang bang play. 

I just get the impression Arians doesn't like Jones. 

 
jobarules said:
He only had 2 last year which in fairness was 2 more than Fournette had. 
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3 the year before and 1 this year. That’s 6 in 31 games. I don’t know what the average back does in that capacity but it seems like Arians has had enough. 
 

Also, the fact he can’t provide any pass protection for Brady is another reason his snaps are limited. 

 
Capella said:
3 the year before and 1 this year. That’s 6 in 31 games. I don’t know what the average back does in that capacity but it seems like Arians has had enough. 
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Ezekiel Elliott had 6 fumbles in 2018 alone, in just 15 games. He was rewarded with a $90,000,000 contract. 

He went on to have 3 in 2019 & 6 in 2020. 

Capella said:
Also, the fact he can’t provide any pass protection for Brady is another reason his snaps are limited. 
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When Fournette was signed, many pointed to Ronald Jones’ pass protection. Some research revealed that Fournette was the 6th lowest rated at pass protection in the NFL at the time of the signing. 
 

“According to Pro Football Focus, Fournette received the eighth-most pass protection snaps of any back in the NFL last year with 83, yet posted the site’s sixth-worst grade out of 58 qualifying backs.”

not defending Ronald Jones, just pointing this out. 

 
Hot Sauce Guy said:
Ezekiel Elliott had 6 fumbles in 2018 alone, in just 15 games. He was rewarded with a $90,000,000 contract. 

He went on to have 3 in 2019 & 6 in 2020. 

When Fournette was signed, many pointed to Ronald Jones’ pass protection. Some research revealed that Fournette was the 6th lowest rated at pass protection in the NFL at the time of the signing. 
 

“According to Pro Football Focus, Fournette received the eighth-most pass protection snaps of any back in the NFL last year with 83, yet posted the site’s sixth-worst grade out of 58 qualifying backs.”

not defending Ronald Jones, just pointing this out. 
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Yes, Leonard is also very bad. That’s been established. I don’t know why Arians likes him more than Jones but he does. 

 
I guess trading into Tampa Bay's backfield with an admitted eye towards next year and the years ahead was still stupid. Arians is about to bury this guy; at least he's shown that his leash is Shanahan-esque with him, deserved or not, and that's all that matters.

Wow am I ever kicking myself for dealing Chase Edmonds for Ronald Jones and Damien Harris for a second and third. I have no running backs.

I stink at this game. Like microwaved fish.

 
Capella said:
Yes, Leonard is also very bad. That’s been established. I don’t know why Arians likes him more than Jones but he does. 
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Yep - clearly Jones’ mistakes are worse than Fournette’s mistakes despite the same results.

Whats weird is that last year they almost cut Fournette, making him an afterthought for a long stretch of the season. The only reason we saw “playoff Lenny” was due to a RoJo injury. 

 
Hot Sauce Guy said:
off-topic but I can’t believe you traded away Edmonds after talking me into trading for Edmonds. :lol:
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I get what you're saying and remember the discussion, but I never tried to talk you into trading for him, actually. I never commented about what you gave away, either. I wouldn't have. All I presented was my thought process about Edmonds, unbiased as could be, taking everything into account.

That it happened in a trade discussion was just the context for how I felt about the player's situation, really. I turned around and dealt Edmonds for reasons that were part and parcel to my reasoning about him in the first place. The reasons didn't waver, our respective situations were different.

That I traded him for RoJo is a red herring, really, but it serves me like a hard slap on my sunburned back. Ouch.

 
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rockaction said:
but I never tried to talk you into trading for him, actually. I never commented about what you gave away, either.
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totally fair. We had a discussion & on your feedback I became convinced that he was a “buy”. That’s a better way to phrase it.

You have no responsibility for my trade.   :)  

(I gave Samuel & a 2nd. Since Samuel subsequently got hurt & hasn’t been ache to get right for 4 months going on 5, I love the deal) 

 
Now starting per Arians?

Anyone trust this BS?

Matchup is there...maybe for both Rojo and Fournette. Scared to death though.

 
Oh my God. And here I was, saying how much I stink at this.

Now I'm fully justified in everything that I say and do.

Thank you, Bruce.

 
kyoun1e said:
Now starting per Arians?

Anyone trust this BS?

Matchup is there...maybe for both Rojo and Fournette. Scared to death though.
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He did this last year too. Jones was hard to predict due to puzzling coach decisions. As such this year I have just one share in a dynasty league. I am only playing him unless injury dictates his workload(Fournette goes down) or I am desperate on a bye week. I have Three better backs I am rostering. 

 
Capella said:
Yes, Leonard is also very bad. That’s been established. I don’t know why Arians likes him more than Jones but he does. 
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First Brady will have a lot of influence on this decision. 

Second, as terrible as Fournette is at pass blocking (and he's terrible) Jones is worse. And as mediocre/bad as Fournette is as a receiver (see: INT), Jones is worse. 

My outside the box guess is that as Bernard gets more comfortable, and if he can show anything as a runner, he'll take over more snaps. He's the style of player the Bucs should've grabbed last year (aka can pass block and catch). We'll see. 

 
btemp said:
First Brady will have a lot of influence on this decision. 

Second, as terrible as Fournette is at pass blocking (and he's terrible) Jones is worse. And as mediocre/bad as Fournette is as a receiver (see: INT), Jones is worse. 

My outside the box guess is that as Bernard gets more comfortable, and if he can show anything as a runner, he'll take over more snaps. He's the style of player the Bucs should've grabbed last year (aka can pass block and catch). We'll see. 
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I agree on all accounts. Jones is a better runner (substantially) than Fournette but the other stuff drags him down quite a bit. 

 
btemp said:
Second, as terrible as Fournette is at pass blocking (and he's terrible) Jones is worse
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I don't believe this is accurate. 

Statistically speaking, Jones grades higher by PFF. 

IIRC all but 5 RBs in the NFL graded higher than Fournette as of last year. 

btemp said:
And as mediocre/bad as Fournette is as a receiver (see: INT), Jones is worse. 
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I disagree here as well. While neither is great, I've seen plenty enough of both that I can say with confidence there's not a lot of difference. Which is why they brought in Bernard. 

Where are you getting these two takes? Do you have evidence to back them up, or is this merely anecdotal/your opinion? 

 
Hot Sauce Guy said:
I don't believe this is accurate. 

Statistically speaking, Jones grades higher by PFF. 

IIRC all but 5 RBs in the NFL graded higher than Fournette as of last year. 

I disagree here as well. While neither is great, I've seen plenty enough of both that I can say with confidence there's not a lot of difference. Which is why they brought in Bernard. 

Where are you getting these two takes? Do you have evidence to back them up, or is this merely anecdotal/your opinion? 
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Those takes are grossly off. I've watched every one of RoJo's snaps, he's been called out by Arians and Koetter for his pass pro, and couldn't catch a cold 

This is so obvious. If PFF is saying otherwise, their 16-year older intern doesn't know what he's seeing. 

But there's an even simpler argument - Ronald Jones isn't used as much in pass pro and passing situations. That's part of why his snap count went down as the year progressed. He had only 30% of offensvie snaps in the post-season and wasn't even TARGETED for a pass. 

They brought in Bernard because both players suck at pass pro and in pass catching. As did Lesean McCoy (at pass pro). 

 
btemp said:
Those takes are grossly off. I've watched every one of RoJo's snaps, he's been called out by Arians and Koetter for his pass pro, and couldn't catch a cold 

This is so obvious. If PFF is saying otherwise, their 16-year older intern doesn't know what he's seeing. 

But there's an even simpler argument - Ronald Jones isn't used as much in pass pro and passing situations. That's part of why his snap count went down as the year progressed. He had only 30% of offensvie snaps in the post-season and wasn't even TARGETED for a pass. 

They brought in Bernard because both players suck at pass pro and in pass catching. As did Lesean McCoy (at pass pro). 
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So, anecdotal, based on your eye test. 

I’m not defending Jones pass pro. He’s not great. But he’s better than Lenny. it might not be a huge gap between them, but he’s not worse. 
 

whatever. It’s Ronald Jones. Not my hill to die on. Agree to disagree. 

 
Ronald Jones rushed six times for 27 yards in the Bucs' Week 2 win over the Falcons, adding a nine-yard reception. 

As promised, Jones started. As expected, he remained mired in stalemate with Leonard Fournette, who ended up out-touching Jones 15-7 and out-gaining him 76-36. Jones made a mental error when he ran out of bounds ahead of what should have been a second half first down. The Bucs simply trust Fournette more even though both backs are prone to major mistakes. There is no rational DFS or re-draft case for Jones in Week 3 against the Rams.
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Hot Sauce Guy said:
So, anecdotal, based on your eye test. 

I’m not defending Jones pass pro. He’s not great. But he’s better than Lenny. it might not be a huge gap between them, but he’s not worse. 
 

whatever. It’s Ronald Jones. Not my hill to die on. Agree to disagree. 
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“This is his third year [in the offense], man, it shouldn’t be a problem,” Arians said. “And at times it is. It’s just attention to detail like missing that blitz. But he is a great runner. Caught the ball well. I would like to see him run for the first down. But yeah, I mean his mind is fine, it’s just his play isn’t as good as it should be.”

It's not just anecdotal. By the Bucs staff and analysts it's been repeatedly mentioned as an issue. From day one.

 
btemp said:
“This is his third year [in the offense], man, it shouldn’t be a problem,” Arians said. “And at times it is. It’s just attention to detail like missing that blitz. But he is a great runner. Caught the ball well. I would like to see him run for the first down. But yeah, I mean his mind is fine, it’s just his play isn’t as good as it should be.”

It's not just anecdotal. By the Bucs staff and analysts it's been repeatedly mentioned as an issue. From day one.
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Reading that quote there is no comparison made to Leonard Fournette, which was the crux of the last discussion. They didn't say "Leonard Fournette is great at it & RoJo sucks" - they're purely talking about Jones, so I don't see how you could possibly have the take-away that it proved your point. It didn't. At all.  

That's the part that I said was you using observational/anecdotal evidence. You claimed that as bad as Lenny was at pass pro, RoJo was worse, which is statistically untrue. 

Again, not my hill to die on. I wash my hands of this topic & of all things Ronald Jones. And good riddance, I say. 

 
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When asked if Leonard Fournette was more trustworthy than Ronald Jones in picking up blitzes, Bucs coach Bruce Arians said Jones' play "isn’t as good as it should be.”

"It speaks for itself,” Arians responded when asked about Jones' missed pass protection that resulted in a sack and seven-yard loss. “Ro, that’s his guy. He’s got to get out of those types of situations. I thought he ran hard and protected the ball, but again, you can’t have those mental errors. It’s just attention to detail, like missing that blitz. He is a great runner, caught the ball well. His mind is fine. It’s just his play isn’t as good as it should be. It shouldn’t be a problem, and at times it is.” Jones "started" for Tampa Bay but was out-touched 15 to 7 by Fournette, totaling 36 yards as the team's backup runner. Jones can be kept around in deeper leagues as a contingency plan but continues to waste roster spots in a three-headed committee in shallow leagues given his shared role (and underwhelming play).

SOURCE: The Athletic

Sep 21, 2021, 11:42 PM ET
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Unless Fournette gets injured, I can't see Ronald Jones consistently getting the bulk of the touches. Even then you have Gio in there to contend with. I thought this year was going to be different SMH. 

 
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