IdiotSavant
Footballguy
Swift could crack the top 5. Though his TDs getting vultured definitely hurts. Also he's gotta stay healthy too.
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RB Saquon Barkley, PHI (3 Viewers)
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zamboni
Footballguy
Good point on Swift. I'm not sure he's always going to get vultured given that IIRC the Williams TDs came after long runs by Swift and he may have been just given a breather. Something to watch going forward.
But yeah, health is an issue for both of these guys, as it is for everyone.
I would argue he is #1 in terms of offensive game plan. Only Taylor is close. Even CMC didn't get a normal workload.
zamboni
Footballguy
I think CMC will be more involved going forward - might have just been an anomaly in week 1. That said, one thing working in Barkley's favor from a touch standpoint is that there is no big time WR that commands targets, unlike Taylor (Pittman) and CMC (Moore, although also not in week 1).
In any event, it will be interesting to see Barkley and CMC face each other this weekend in an otherwise ho-hum matchup.
Hankmoody
Footballguy
Best offer was Gabe Davis and an 2nd for him so he's firmly in my lineup for now.
Truebluey
Footballguy
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
So here’s me, in week 2, absolutely thrilled that I landed Barkley at 2.08So he's currently at 25 overall redraft. That's 3.01
I expect as his health is highlighted, and as FF writers hype him up more and more this offseason (and FF heads like yourself, of course) his ADP will creep into the mid-second. Same exact thing happened last year - he went late 2nd in my league, and the hype this year is coming in sooner and stronger. FF managers will talk themselves into a lot of things while they're on the clock. Hell, CMC pretty much ruined my year last season and I'm starting to talk myself into him as a 1st round pick.
Desperation is never pretty.
I admit, there's a price that I would consider Barkley a value. Mid-2nd is not that price, so I really hope you're correct about 40th overall. 4th round is exactly where I would take a chance on him. I believe he'll be long gone by then in my late August draft.
My big non-injury concern is the continued regression of Danny Dimes. The more they've let him pass, the more trouble he's gotten into. And 3 & outs are just as bad for skill players. And yet that's what the Giants are saying they want to do - open up the offense and let Danny Dimes let it fly without worrying about turnovers. That sounds like a recipe for disaster to me.
I also wonder if Barkley is game-script proof, as he would need to be for such a lofty investment, and to be "bad team proof" as many implied he was above.
Will the Giants keep running him out there in garbage time if they're down 3 scores in the 4th? Those are the receptions people are counting on in part, so I think it's an interesting question.
Unfortunately some of that is unknowable.
Again - not trashing Barkley at all. I don't love his ADP, and if it continues to rise, I'll love it even less.
Man things change fast in FF. Now he’s my boo.
Uhhh, everyone not drafted in the 1st round??
Winning IS Everything
Footballguy
Man, I am sure enjoying watching him play this year. Tough loss for the Giants, but it sure was not because of Barkley. As a matter of fact, we saw last night how much of a drop off it is to Breida. Breida's "whiff" blocking about got Daniel Jones killed a few times. Safe to say Barkley will continue to get as many snaps as he can handle, and then a few more.
Buck Bradcanon
Footballguy
zamboni
Footballguy
He's really doing yeoman's work behind that line. They've got some talent on the OL though, so once they gel, it could get even better. And if they can get some semblance of a passing game - Toney and Golladay are ruining that but perhaps Wan'dale can bring some life - that should open up some more running lanes.
The Frankman
Footballguy
Saquon Barkley rushed 31 times
for 147 yards in the Giants’ Week 4 win over the Bears, adding two receptions for an additional 16 yards.
Barkley ran effectively all game and looked explosive while doing so. He was so effective, it opened up Daniel Jones’ two rushing touchdowns. At one point, Barkley took snaps for the offense when both Jones and Tyrod Taylor left with injuries to run wildcat. Barkley continues to thrive in what is so far a season of resurgence.
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Smack Tripper
Footballguy
I don’t think that was the plan, both qbs went Down and he had to be the wildcat qbSaquon Barkley rushed 31 times
Barkley ran effectively all game and looked explosive while doing so. He was so effective, it opened up Daniel Jones’ two rushing touchdowns. At one point, Barkley took snaps for the offense when both Jones and Tyrod Taylor left with injuries to run wildcat. Barkley continues to thrive in what is so far a season of resurgence.
- NBCSportsEDGE
The Big Donkey
Footballguy
8 carries after Tyrod went out.I don’t think that was the plan, both qbs went Down and he had to be the wildcat qbSaquon Barkley rushed 31 times
Barkley ran effectively all game and looked explosive while doing so. He was so effective, it opened up Daniel Jones’ two rushing touchdowns. At one point, Barkley took snaps for the offense when both Jones and Tyrod Taylor left with injuries to run wildcat. Barkley continues to thrive in what is so far a season of resurgence.
- NBCSportsEDGE
Drunken Cowboy
Footballguy
I love Saquon, but Sharpe doesn't know what he is talking about. RBs don't matter much towards a team's chances. Singletary or Barkley is unlikely to change a single game outcome
Faust
MVP
Having a bell cow RB that the Bills could rely upon could help keep Josh Allen from needing to take off running so much, reducing the unnecessary hits that he is currently absorbing.
The Frankman
Footballguy
zamboni
Footballguy
The Frankman
Footballguy
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
My boo
1st & goal at the 1, Danny Dimes 1 yard rush
1st & goal at the 1, Danny Dimes 1 yard rush
Ilov80s
Footballguy
That was frustrating but for awful this game was looking for Saquon, he once again turned it on late and finished with a solid 4 catches and 135 yards.My boo
1st & goal at the 1, Danny Dimes 1 yard rush
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
No complaints. He’s still my boo.That was frustrating but for awful this game was looking for Saquon, he once again turned it on late and finished with a solid 4 catches and 135 yards.My boo
1st & goal at the 1, Danny Dimes 1 yard rush
MCFootball123
Footballguy
Saquon owner here - has been a stud this year with unbelievable utilization. Curious how other owners/observers feel ROS?
IMO his only problem is the offense around him scaring absolutely no one. Well Sunday they lost their only decent WR left in Wandale. If the Detoit Lions can figure out how easy it is to stop the Giants if you just load the box and make Vanilla Vick beat you with only his legs - won't every other D just replicate down the stretch. I just feel like his ceiling is lowering pretty rapidly. He is still a great player with a high floor, but could be a savvy sell with trade deadlines coming?
Thoughts?
IMO his only problem is the offense around him scaring absolutely no one. Well Sunday they lost their only decent WR left in Wandale. If the Detoit Lions can figure out how easy it is to stop the Giants if you just load the box and make Vanilla Vick beat you with only his legs - won't every other D just replicate down the stretch. I just feel like his ceiling is lowering pretty rapidly. He is still a great player with a high floor, but could be a savvy sell with trade deadlines coming?
Thoughts?
Truebluey
Footballguy
The trouble is you're r selling low, when he was the #1 or 2 fantasy pick by most experts going into this week. If need something major to move him.
What does TEN have besides Henry that scares defenses?
zamboni
Footballguy
Saquon was more than getting it done when Wan’dale, Toney and Golladay were all out earlier in the season. If anything, it appears like injuries on the OL have been hurting the offense over the past several weeks.
What I don’t understand is why they don’t use Saquon out of the backfield more, as he is a dynamic pass catcher.
What I don’t understand is why they don’t use Saquon out of the backfield more, as he is a dynamic pass catcher.
Perhaps Robinson getting hurt opens this part of his game back up?
zamboni
Footballguy
Hopefully. He hasn’t been much of a receiver all year.
I wonder if it's how Daboll likes to use his RB's? I had this thought during the off-season but then figured the data was to old and light to worry about but I remember my first exposure to Daboll was when he got the Dolphins OC job. Only lasted one year but that season saw a few similarities to Barkley and Reggie Bush.
Reggie that year had a bit of a breakout as a runner. First 1,000 yard season and in general ran more N/S then he had in years past but I was miffed all year while he such a fairly small part of the passing game, 43 catches in 15 games.
Daboll went to the Chiefs the next year and Jamaal Charles dipped down to 35 receptions, which he doubled the next season after Daboll left.
This is old stuff from 2011/2012 and I'm sure a lot has changed and may be nothing to do with Daboll or have much of anything to do with his method for deploying RB's. But it was not a big part of the attack with the Bills either. Now he did not have a Bush, Jamaal or Barkley type but long story short I'm not seeing any evidence a RB in his system should expect a lot of passing game usage.
The Big Donkey
Footballguy
Barkley has the most targets and receptions on the team.
zamboni
Footballguy
Fair point, although that probably speaks more to the state of the receiving crew. All that said, his receptions per game this year is in line with his career totals outside of his outlier rookie campaign.
Smack Tripper
Footballguy
He needs Neal back
That means nothing.
rockaction
Footballguy
I'm just reading along, but how do you figure that? Are you saying that they're checkdowns because all the other people running routes are covered? That Daboll doesn't design as many plays for his RBs and the leading the team in targets and receptions is a function of game play? That would seem the only way for it to be irrelevant to your point.
A few reasons really but the major one being it's not reflective of their overall usage relative to the team when you are using a season long total and not accounting for players such as Robinson and Slayto, who have averaged more targets per game, not being active several weeks.
