skol asylum
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Great use of half my fa dollars to bandaid fix a David Johnson loss. 0-3 and on my way to 0-4.
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RB Tarik Cohen, NYJ (1 Viewer)
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J Fox is a fantasy nightmare.
It's amazing watching these coaches turn into complete meat heads right before our eyes.
Smack Tripper
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I've got 5 bench spots and byes coming up, may be drop time.
Think I'd rather gamble on Alex Collins talent over his situation
Think I'd rather gamble on Alex Collins talent over his situation
Interseptopus
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lol fox has to play him now right
need2know
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Smack Tripper
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I was shopping him, couldn't find a buyer before this game. His value just plummeted.
3 hour lunch
Footballguy
Short bench non-ppr, it's not like dropping is crazy. Depends on your roster of course. I will have to drop him or jav Allen next week (10 team)
SameSongNDance
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Yeah, I guess it's all a matter of perspective. I play in a highly competitive 12 team league, and landing a guy like Cohen for free early in the season is a game-changer. I wouldn't even think of dropping him. He's ripping off 6 and 7 yard carries at will, and probably lost 100 yards already this season due to penalties. Not to mention a game-winning TD.
BobbyLayne
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Good stuff. Hope the owner in my league is ready to bail.
Biabreakable
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He has had a couple really nice looking runs called back by holding penalties.
BobbyLayne
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3 hour lunch
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Like most conversations around here, it's a lot about league structure. 12 team, 16 man roster ppr? Of course he's not droppable. 10 team 13 man roster non ppr with a couple byes week 4? That's different. It's not like anyone WANTS to drop him. I think it's funny when guys say they are in a 'competitive' league, like the rest of us are playing with morons.
Some guys are! Haven't you seen some of the trade talk around here?? LOL
But yeah, I pretty much agree with you... all about the situation. And, as I'm typing this he just lost another 20 yards to penalty.
Interseptopus
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8.88 for me so not a complete failure, even with fox sabotaging him all night, and penalties
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Widbil83
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He almost had a TD too but they put Howard in at the 2 and he fell in. Plus a couple big plays lost to holding. It's hilarious people are talking about dropping him.
3 hour lunch
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Not many guys you hold your breath every time he gets a touch. He did get screwed on penalties a few times tonight.
Literally lost over 100 yards this year already to penalties. That's a ridiculous amount. Regression coming.
He is limited by the fact, the coach for some reason mixes Benny Cunningham into the mix. By the way, I dont think I have ever seen a team quit as early in a game as the Bears did tonight. Granted they were not likely to make a comeback but to just run every down and not even try is just baffling to me.
SameSongNDance
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This is so true. As someone who was going against Cohen tonight, even on that last drive, I was holding my breath while replaying in my head his would be 80 yard OT winning run vs. PIT last week. There are very few players where every time they touch the ball and don't break off a huge gain you feel like you dodged a bullet. I will be sending out buy-low offers after this week.
King of the Jungle
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When your QB is Mike Glennon there are two options: 1) run the ball as much as possible 2) humiliation
need2know
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Yeah could have been worse but I'm gonna be pissed watching Carson have a big games Sunday night
need2know
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-OZ-
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Bears should be used to lightning.
I love Cohen but you have to figure he'll have games like this until they can open the field more. Wright, Bellamy, Thompson, Miller? Not exactly intimidating.
need2know
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Yes it's one of the risks when starting a player on one of the worst offenses ever assembled
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-OZ-
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SaintsInDome2006
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Cohen would profit by others getting involved. Same is true for Howard btw, I really don't see them competing with each other. If the offense moves then Cohen gets more chances, so does Howard. Problem is games like last night show Fox doesn't really seem interested in finding other ways to move the ball. In the Bears' situation IMO Miller would be an obvious outlet. But instead they hardly used him in the pass game. If Wheaton is active at least throw deep to him and stretch the field, or maybe to Thompson, but there was none of that. That was some really bad football.
Weebs210
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Same, and as a Howard owner playing against Cohen, I tipped my hat for the TD set up from the little guy.
skol asylum
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Don't worry, I have Carson as well as Cohen in my starting lineup so I'm sure he'll also disappoint.
Chaka
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hamsterdam
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Seriously a few more of these and I can't see how Fox even keeps the locker room.
It was obvious they were starting to just give up the game.
People gave Gase some crap for calling a time out at the end of a blowout to get a worthless TD but it at least shows some heart and a little grit.
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need2know
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Chaka
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With the dearth of talent in the passing game the Bears best chance to be competitive is to shorten the game as much as possible. For them it means grind it out and try to wear down the opposition. It's ugly football, particularly in the first half of games, and it means a heavy dose of Howard. But if they do that well then the chunk plays will follow in the second half...at least that is the logic. It's the smart play because they simply aren't good enough to do anything else. It's also a clear indication of their lack of faith in the passing game.
Sorry Cohen owners the general game script for the Bears this season will not favor him so be happy with what he produces with his opportunities.
Sorry Cohen owners the general game script for the Bears this season will not favor him so be happy with what he produces with his opportunities.
It was a odd usage and really more then the raw amount of touches. It just felt way different then first few weeks. Those weeks you felt this impact, felt that he was a major part of the gameplan and he was an after thought last night.
Nothing was more puzzling to me by the way not inserting him on several third and longs considering his big play ability.
I'm a little worried in the coaching staff with him as well. I'll hope this week had something to do with other factors, stuff like:
Maybe the Bears believe Cohen's usage need to be more game planned and if so does the short week not allow for that? I recall Kyle Shanahan saying something last week along the lines of you don't game plan for TNF games.
Did this have anything to do with Bears being worried they might be over using a smaller player who is also a rookie and one taking a massive jump in competition who needs to maintain his legs and explosiveness and on a short week decide to pull back a little this week?
One thing I'd like to note as it relates to the short week. Last season. The Bears and Pack played in week 7 on TNF and Howard's usage in that game was mystifying. He had already broke out but in that game he was barely used, an afterthought, go look up his game logs and you'll see that one game was an aberration.
Romo mentioned the thick grass surface as not ideal for Cohen. I agree but since Bears also play on grass this seems like a stretch but did they think he might be less effective on that type of thicker grass? Again this seems like a stretch and looked obvious last night it was not bothering him much. (but I can't wait to see him in week 8 against the Saints in the dome, which I think will be his first game not on natural grass)
In other words was this a one game aberration or did the Bears just decide to make arguably their most dangerous offensive play maker and one guy on the offensive side that can flip field position a lesser part of the offense going forward?
Chaka
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Did Jordan Howard die? Pretty sure he remains their best player and their best play maker.
I agree that Cohen may not have been utilized more because of the short week but people need to accept the fact that Howard is the only RB on the roster who opens up the entire playbook.
I agree that Cohen may not have been utilized more because of the short week but people need to accept the fact that Howard is the only RB on the roster who opens up the entire playbook.
If you are responding to my post I did not say Cohen was their best player or best play maker. I said he was the "arguably their most dangerous offensive playmaker" which is to say it's not a statement of fact but debatable. A debate which I side squarely on the side of Cohen over Howard in terms of ability to make big plays but even it's subjective to what defines a big play so so not something I really want to get bogged down in minutia of debating.Chaka said:
None of this for me has ever been about Howard vs Cohen. Two polar opposite players with totally different skill sets who I continue to think work best together.
I will add that I don't agree that Howard is the only RB on the roster that opens up the entire playbook. That to me would imply he can do everything that Cohen can do.
