RB tiers from here on out (1 Viewer)

[jobarules]

Tier 1:

ADP

Turner

MJD

Ronnie

Gore

Thomas

Chris Johnson

Benson

Rice

Tier 2:

Forte

Deangelo

Slaton

Smith

SJax

Knowshon

Mendenhall

Barber

Addai

Westbrook

Tier 3:

Grant

Jacobs

Portis

T Jones

LT

Morris

Lynch

Bradshaw

Hightower

Tier 4:

McGahee

Cadillac

RWilliams

FJackson

Lewis

Choice

Stewart

JJones

DBrown

Basically I wouldnt trade anybody in a lower tier straight up for anybody in a higher tier

 

[djjosee]

Tier 1:ADPTurnerMJDRonnieGoreThomasChris JohnsonBensonRiceTier 2:ForteDeangeloSlatonSmithSJax KnowshonMendenhallBarberAddaiWestbrookTier 3:GrantJacobsPortisT JonesLTMorrisLynchBradshawHightowerTier 4:McGaheeCadillacRWilliamsFJacksonLewisChoiceStewartJJonesDBrownBasically I wouldnt trade anybody in a lower tier straight up for anybody in a higher tier

You wouldn't trade Thomas for Forte?

 

[Knobs]

I would trade many of the guys in tier 3 for Mendenhall, and maybe Westbrook.

PPR or standard?

 

[jobarules]

You wouldn't trade Thomas for Forte?

Hell no.

 

[jobarules]

I would trade many of the guys in tier 3 for Mendenhall, and maybe Westbrook.

Umm yeah that is exactly what Im saying. I would trade anyone in tier 3 for anyone in tier 2

PPR or standard?

PPR

 

[THE UNDERCOVER BROTHA]

I would deal slaton in a hearbeat for Grant.

 

[Knobs]

I would trade many of the guys in tier 3 for Mendenhall, and maybe Westbrook.

Umm yeah that is exactly what Im saying. I would trade anyone in tier 3 for anyone in tier 2

Sorry, mistake on my part. I WOULDN'T trade many of the guys in tier 3 for those folk. My mistake.

 

[Tong Po]

What tier are Larry Johnson and Michael Bush in?

Five?

 

[GloryDaze]

You completely whiffed on Ricky Williams.

 

[BespokeJort]

is this redraft or dyno? No way is ray rice tier 1 in a redraft IMO

 

[GloryDaze]

is this redraft or dyno? No way is ray rice tier 1 in a redraft IMO

Why wouldn't he be?

 

[Knobs]

Why is Chris Johnson in tier one? He's been quite ordinary outside that one monster week.

 

[Knobs]

In ppr leagues, Turner is less than special. And until this past weekend he has been solid but nothing great. If he's not going to get touchdowns by the bunches that really hurts his value. You think he's going to start getting td after td?

 

[jobarules]

What tier are Larry Johnson and Michael Bush in?Five?

WW material

 

[editor47]

Why is Chris Johnson in tier one? He's been quite ordinary outside that one monster week.

i'd trade him for forte or steven jackson for sure at this point in a redraft.

 

[jobarules]

You completely whiffed on Ricky Williams.

Yeah I struggled with him. Might have to move him up to 3

 

[jobarules]

In ppr leagues, Turner is less than special. And until this past weekend he has been solid but nothing great. If he's not going to get touchdowns by the bunches that really hurts his value. You think he's going to start getting td after td?

he did last yr

 

[thehornet]

is this redraft or dyno? No way is ray rice tier 1 in a redraft IMO

Why wouldn't he be?

 

[jobarules]

Why is Chris Johnson in tier one? He's been quite ordinary outside that one monster week.

these are my tiers for the rest of the season using the last 5 weeks of data to help predict the results.

 

[BespokeJort]

is this redraft or dyno? No way is ray rice tier 1 in a redraft IMO

Why wouldn't he be?

he's the non-goal-line half of a RBBC. I know Willis didn't get much this last game but his production is gonna fluctuate quite a bit game to game. IMO a big part of that is the fact that these tiers are likely a bit too big anyway (at least at the top). Guys like Rice, and even probably CJ3 are nowhere near ADP/MJD/Ronnie/Turner in value IMO in a redraft

 

[jobarules]

is this redraft or dyno? No way is ray rice tier 1 in a redraft IMO

hes top 5 in my league right now

 

[=Smackdown=]

Amazing all the hate Ronnie Brown got going into the season.

NOW look at him.

A late 2nd or 3rd rd pick that's performing like a Top 5 pick. The Wildcat is a fad blah blah blah he's injury prone blah blah blah.

 

[Knobs]

In ppr leagues, Turner is less than special. And until this past weekend he has been solid but nothing great. If he's not going to get touchdowns by the bunches that really hurts his value. You think he's going to start getting td after td?

he did last yr

They also had an easier schedule and no Gonzalez. I like him a lot but in ppr leagues my love for the guy falters a bit.

 

[Knobs]

Why is Chris Johnson in tier one? He's been quite ordinary outside that one monster week.

these are my tiers for the rest of the season using the last 5 weeks of data to help predict the results.

So...did you actually look at how he's done thus by week or just take a look at the totals? He's been quite pedestrian outside that monster week. Unless you think the other team will routinely leave him totally uncovered on long bombs, I think you should not bet on a repeat of that week this year.Also, if you're just going with the numbers over the last five weeks then why is Slaton so high, Ricky so low, etc?

 

[Knobs]

IMO a big part of that is the fact that these tiers are likely a bit too big anyway (at least at the top). Guys like Rice, and even probably CJ3 are nowhere near ADP/MJD/Ronnie/Turner in value IMO in a redraft

I agree the tiers are a bit too big.

 

[jobarules]

Why is Chris Johnson in tier one? He's been quite ordinary outside that one monster week.

these are my tiers for the rest of the season using the last 5 weeks of data to help predict the results.

So...did you actually look at how he's done thus by week or just take a look at the totals? He's been quite pedestrian outside that monster week. Unless you think the other team will routinely leave him totally uncovered on long bombs, I think you should not bet on a repeat of that week this year.Also, if you're just going with the numbers over the last five weeks then why is Slaton so high, Ricky so low, etc?

Im not going just on the #s. As far as Johnson, hes had some slow weeks and one monster week. I agree with you but they still havent played the entire NFC West. Johnson will have many more great games.

 

[jobarules]

IMO a big part of that is the fact that these tiers are likely a bit too big anyway (at least at the top). Guys like Rice, and even probably CJ3 are nowhere near ADP/MJD/Ronnie/Turner in value IMO in a redraft

I agree the tiers are a bit too big.

Think of it like tier 1 are guys Id be confident having as RB1, tier 2 RB2, tier 3 low end RB2 or solid RB3, tier 4 low end RB3 or solid flexI shouldve put RWilliams in tier 3

 

[BespokeJort]

is this redraft or dyno? No way is ray rice tier 1 in a redraft IMO

hes top 5 in my league right now

bradshaw is RB12 but i wouldn't run out and pay a RB12 priceCJ3 is RB3 but my team that has him (as an RB2 with MJD as RB1) is 2-3. I just don't feel as confident that he's gonna continue producing at that level game-to-game. I may differ from the norm in that I value consistency in my top backs most heavily though

 

[jobarules]

is this redraft or dyno? No way is ray rice tier 1 in a redraft IMO

hes top 5 in my league right now

bradshaw is RB12 but i wouldn't run out and pay a RB12 priceCJ3 is RB3 but my team that has him (as an RB2 with MJD as RB1) is 2-3. I just don't feel as confident that he's gonna continue producing at that level game-to-game. I may differ from the norm in that I value consistency in my top backs most heavily though

Not sure you get much more consistent than Ray Rice. In my league hes scored: 13, 10.7, 15.5, 17.7, & 23.8

 

[loose circuits]

Pierre Thomas still gets no love?

 

[Knobs]

Pierre Thomas still gets no love?

He's in tier one. That's a lot of love.

 

[Instinctive]

I do agree that CJ4.24 has a nice schedule coming up.

With the Dolphins bye week here, I'd be trading for Ricky Williams. He's actually performing pretty well, but undervalued and he'd be worth quite a bit were Brown to falter/get injured. Those at 5-0 or 4-1 really ought to go out and stash him.

I'd also be moving Grant up. The GB OLine can't possibly be worse, guys are returning soon and they improve. He has no carry competition either.

 

[jobarules]

I do agree that CJ4.24 has a nice schedule coming up.With the Dolphins bye week here, I'd be trading for Ricky Williams. He's actually performing pretty well, but undervalued and he'd be worth quite a bit were Brown to falter/get injured. Those at 5-0 or 4-1 really ought to go out and stash him.I'd also be moving Grant up. The GB OLine can't possibly be worse, guys are returning soon and they improve. He has no carry competition either.

Grant probably belongs in tier 2, ricky in tier 3. Cant disagree with you really

 

[loose circuits]

Pierre Thomas still gets no love?

He's in tier one. That's a lot of love.

missed that, thanks...sure is

 

[FantasyTrader]

Amazing all the hate Ronnie Brown got going into the season.NOW look at him.A late 2nd or 3rd rd pick that's performing like a Top 5 pick. The Wildcat is a fad blah blah blah he's injury prone blah blah blah.

What was amazing about it? I've been as high on Ronnie as anyone, he's as talented a RB that exists outside of Peterson and Steven Jackson. The ONLY reason Ronnie was available in the 3rd was his inability to remain healthy. You'd be hard pressed to find anyone that would label him a bust with a crystal ball of 16-game health.

 

[rascal]

Tier 1:ADPTurnerMJDRonnieGoreThomasChris JohnsonBensonRiceTier 2:ForteDeangeloSlatonSmithSJax KnowshonMendenhallBarberAddaiWestbrookTier 3:GrantJacobsPortisT JonesLTMorrisLynchBradshawHightowerTier 4:McGaheeCadillacRWilliamsFJacksonLewisChoiceStewartJJonesDBrownBasically I wouldnt trade anybody in a lower tier straight up for anybody in a higher tier

Curious what the rankings would be for non-ppr.

 

[BespokeJort]

is this redraft or dyno? No way is ray rice tier 1 in a redraft IMO

hes top 5 in my league right now

bradshaw is RB12 but i wouldn't run out and pay a RB12 priceCJ3 is RB3 but my team that has him (as an RB2 with MJD as RB1) is 2-3. I just don't feel as confident that he's gonna continue producing at that level game-to-game. I may differ from the norm in that I value consistency in my top backs most heavily though

Not sure you get much more consistent than Ray Rice. In my league hes scored: 13, 10.7, 15.5, 17.7, & 23.8

you're right, and i think i somewhat misstated my thinking here.My tier 1 of backs is the guys who have that consistency plus blowup potential. Ray rice will give you a consistent 15ish points per week, but his blowup potential is limited (as he usually comes out inside the 20). I play in the same scoring system. 23.8 is a very good game, but is probably his weekly upside. meanwhile guys like ADP and Ronnie, MJD (if JDR pulls his head out of his ###) have a much higher chance of giving you that 20ish points week to week, PLUS the potential to blow up for a 150+ yard, 3 score game. Turner may have been a bad example (not sure what to make of him yet, my valuing of him so far gives him some credit for last season).EDIT: if I was doing a ranking like this it would probably cut off tier 1 around gore. I do also subscribe to the thinking that tier 1 is the first half (or less) of the RB1 crop though, as tier 1 to me is an RB who gives you an advantage over the league average production at RB1.

 

[FantasyTrader]

is this redraft or dyno? No way is ray rice tier 1 in a redraft IMO

hes top 5 in my league right now

bradshaw is RB12 but i wouldn't run out and pay a RB12 priceCJ3 is RB3 but my team that has him (as an RB2 with MJD as RB1) is 2-3. I just don't feel as confident that he's gonna continue producing at that level game-to-game. I may differ from the norm in that I value consistency in my top backs most heavily though

Not sure you get much more consistent than Ray Rice. In my league hes scored: 13, 10.7, 15.5, 17.7, & 23.8

you're right, and i think i somewhat misstated my thinking here.My tier 1 of backs is the guys who have that consistency plus blowup potential. Ray rice will give you a consistent 15ish points per week, but his blowup potential is limited (as he usually comes out inside the 20). I play in the same scoring system. 23.8 is a very good game, but is probably his weekly upside. meanwhile guys like ADP and Ronnie, MJD (if JDR pulls his head out of his ###) have a much higher chance of giving you that 20ish points week to week, PLUS the potential to blow up for a 150+ yard, 3 score game. Turner may have been a bad example (not sure what to make of him yet, my valuing of him so far gives him some credit for last season).EDIT: if I was doing a ranking like this it would probably cut off tier 1 around gore. I do also subscribe to the thinking that tier 1 is the first half (or less) of the RB1 crop though, as tier 1 to me is an RB who gives you an advantage over the league average production at RB1.

It'll play out the remainder of the year, but in my opinion Rice's "blowup potential" is anything but limited. When you look back on any given season, it's the RB's that got lose for a couple of long ones with the season's best single-week performances. Rice has a 5th gear and I have a hunch we've yet to see any of what will end up being his 2-3 best fantasy days by season end.

 

[BespokeJort]

It'll play out the remainder of the year, but in my opinion Rice's "blowup potential" is anything but limited. When you look back on any given season, it's the RB's that got lose for a couple of long ones with the season's best single-week performances. Rice has a 5th gear and I have a hunch we've yet to see any of what will end up being his 2-3 best fantasy days by season end.

there are quite a few RBs with the potential to get hot and break a couple long ones once in a season. That could happen with Rice, sure, it could also happen with any of the guys above him (except possibly turner). Hell, Leon Washington could end up having a day with multiple long TDs where he produces big. My point is that with backs who also get the GL carries, they can have more huge days by quickly dumping in a few vultured TDs in addition to having that potential. MJD, ADP, Gore and Ronnie Brown all could bust a long run or two, but they also get the cheap TD plunges and can put up huge statlines even on days where everything doesn't come together in terms of on-field huge plays. IMO these backs have much greater blowup potential, because they can blow up with a long TD run, or without. They also will have bigger 'good' days, because they're gonna get a TD more weeks than not (and should still put up pretty good yardage). I'm just hesitant to decide Rice is gonna be that big of a fantasy producer coming off two weeks in which he got TDs he doesn't typically get.

 

[FantasyTrader]

It'll play out the remainder of the year, but in my opinion Rice's "blowup potential" is anything but limited. When you look back on any given season, it's the RB's that got lose for a couple of long ones with the season's best single-week performances. Rice has a 5th gear and I have a hunch we've yet to see any of what will end up being his 2-3 best fantasy days by season end.

there are quite a few RBs with the potential to get hot and break a couple long ones once in a season. That could happen with Rice, sure, it could also happen with any of the guys above him (except possibly turner). Hell, Leon Washington could end up having a day with multiple long TDs where he produces big. My point is that with backs who also get the GL carries, they can have more huge days by quickly dumping in a few vultured TDs in addition to having that potential. MJD, ADP, Gore and Ronnie Brown all could bust a long run or two, but they also get the cheap TD plunges and can put up huge statlines even on days where everything doesn't come together in terms of on-field huge plays. IMO these backs have much greater blowup potential, because they can blow up with a long TD run, or without. They also will have bigger 'good' days, because they're gonna get a TD more weeks than not (and should still put up pretty good yardage). I'm just hesitant to decide Rice is gonna be that big of a fantasy producer coming off two weeks in which he got TDs he doesn't typically get.

Fair enough. To be clear, I wasn't suggesting he be placed in the top 5. Only ahead of Jones, Johnson and Benson. Splitting hairs though.

 

[Catbird]

It'll play out the remainder of the year, but in my opinion Rice's "blowup potential" is anything but limited. When you look back on any given season, it's the RB's that got lose for a couple of long ones with the season's best single-week performances. Rice has a 5th gear and I have a hunch we've yet to see any of what will end up being his 2-3 best fantasy days by season end.

there are quite a few RBs with the potential to get hot and break a couple long ones once in a season. That could happen with Rice, sure, it could also happen with any of the guys above him (except possibly turner). Hell, Leon Washington could end up having a day with multiple long TDs where he produces big. My point is that with backs who also get the GL carries, they can have more huge days by quickly dumping in a few vultured TDs in addition to having that potential. MJD, ADP, Gore and Ronnie Brown all could bust a long run or two, but they also get the cheap TD plunges and can put up huge statlines even on days where everything doesn't come together in terms of on-field huge plays. IMO these backs have much greater blowup potential, because they can blow up with a long TD run, or without. They also will have bigger 'good' days, because they're gonna get a TD more weeks than not (and should still put up pretty good yardage). I'm just hesitant to decide Rice is gonna be that big of a fantasy producer coming off two weeks in which he got TDs he doesn't typically get.

Fair enough. To be clear, I wasn't suggesting he be placed in the top 5. Only ahead of Jones, Johnson and Benson. Splitting hairs though.

I think 'Thomas' is Pierre, not Jones (although neither of them would be in my top tier). But Rice is producing as the #5 RB now in PPR (about #7 in regular scoring). To say he is 'coming off two weeks in which he got TDs he doesn't typically get,' sounds like he has a pre-determined role he will now return to. He just played his 5th game in his second year and his role is evolving as he shows he can do more and thus give the team more options with him in. Rice has been taking a bigger share of the load each week. McGahee started like a cannonball and seems to be falling yb the wayside. If Rice maintains the touches he has had over last couple of games, he'll be RB 1 or 2 by year's end. He already has the second most yards from scrimmage of any RB after sharing almost carry for carry in the first couple of games. I think he is about as clearly first tier as anyone after ADP.- but I do own him in 1 of 3 leagues (although I'm not making this argument for DeAngelo who I own in 2).

 

[Breesisdaman]

Forte is Tier 1 sorry.

 

[Instinctive]

Forte is Tier 1 sorry.

He's outside the top 24 in every league I'm in, and there's a strong contingency backing the belief that he isn't especially talented.Tier 2 at best, he's nto a guy I would feel comfortable starting every week, no matter what. I have othe rproblems with his tier 1, but that's how I'd define my tier 1. Forte is nowhere near it.

 

[FantasyTrader]

Forte is Tier 1 sorry.

Top of tier 2 was already pushing it. He's a better RB than he has been, but not tier 1.

 

[Nemesis Enforcer]

I am just not sure if I consider Turner in tier 1 of ppr rankings. His big weeks are huge, his average weeks are bad. To me a tier 1 guy is going to produce no matter what. Turner will get you 57 yards some weeks, getting under 6 points from your RB1 is not what I consider a reasonable line from a stud. His lack of receptions and any yardage in the passing game is a huge negative.

 

[Breesisdaman]

Forte is Tier 1 sorry.

He's outside the top 24 in every league I'm in, and there's a strong contingency backing the belief that he isn't especially talented.Tier 2 at best, he's nto a guy I would feel comfortable starting every week, no matter what. I have othe rproblems with his tier 1, but that's how I'd define my tier 1. Forte is nowhere near it.

Circumstances of breaking a new Qb in against the Packers and facing the Steelers have to be taken into account with Forte.

 

[Instinctive]

Forte is Tier 1 sorry.

He's outside the top 24 in every league I'm in, and there's a strong contingency backing the belief that he isn't especially talented.Tier 2 at best, he's nto a guy I would feel comfortable starting every week, no matter what. I have othe rproblems with his tier 1, but that's how I'd define my tier 1. Forte is nowhere near it.

Circumstances of breaking a new Qb in against the Packers and facing the Steelers have to be taken into account with Forte.

A new QB who can throw and doesnt check down. So Forte isn't getting many catches, isn't getting as much rushing opportunity, and still isn't anything special as a rusher.

 

[MCguidance]

I am just not sure if I consider Turner in tier 1 of ppr rankings. His big weeks are huge, his average weeks are bad. To me a tier 1 guy is going to produce no matter what. Turner will get you 57 yards some weeks, getting under 6 points from your RB1 is not what I consider a reasonable line from a stud. His lack of receptions and any yardage in the passing game is a huge negative.

I think you are right, but as a Turner owner I hope you are wrong.The thing is, many of us here thought week 5 was a bad week against 49ers, and he blew up. I am wondering if he will turn it on and be a very steady option from week to week regardless of league. I would think bottom of tier one top of two.

 

[RBM]

Why is Chris Johnson in tier one? He's been quite ordinary outside that one monster week.

I was thinking the same thing. He doesnt belong there.

 

[Rovers]

T Jones is the #15 RB in my 0.5 PPR leagues. I see a few RB's in tier 2 I'd trade to get Jones. His days of 100 yards rushing are gone, but he does score TD's, which come in streaks. The Jets' schedule is pretty soft for the next month+.

Hard to trade a Slaton or SJ, but the numbers say Jones might be a better FF starter. RB's that don't score never garner great weekly scores. 1 TD is worth 60 yards of rushing, but much harder to project from week to week.