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what about Clyde Gates and Brian Hartline? Miami wants to stretch the field this year
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Disc Shark
Footballguy
No. They don't.
Jaysports
Footballguy
The issue with Lynch is that he's on a REALLY CRAPPY offense, so they won't be able to sustain drives imo. Fewer drives obviously equals fewer yards and TD's for Lynch.
Jaysports
Footballguy
Love McGahee this year. I don't think there is anyway for Moreno to hold off McGahee for the starting gig this year. McGahee imo will end up as the 1st/2nd down back with goal-line carries with Moreno being the COP/3rd down back. 1,000 yards and 10 TD's for McGahee as a mid-round flyer. Moreno is the perfect 3rd down back, 200lbs and slow with not a lot of talent. Worst case scenario is that he'll perform around his ADP based on goal-line work and 1/3 of the carries. Potential for a big reward for a small risk as your RB4/5.
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hotdogcollars
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No Greg Little love in here yet? The guys ahead of him on the Depth Chart, Massoquoi and Robiskie, had 36 and 29 catches last year and all of 5 TDs total. Sure, it's b/c the QBs they had throwing to them sucked, but McCoy had a 60+ % completion rate and has looked solid thus far in 2011.
I don't see Little becoming the next Andre Johnson, but he's worth a late (LATE) round flyer IMO. Especially in keeper leagues
I don't see Little becoming the next Andre Johnson, but he's worth a late (LATE) round flyer IMO. Especially in keeper leagues
ChuckLiddell
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Little is going off of the rookie draft boards at between 4-6 pretty consistently. Lots of comparisons to Anquan Boldin. I dont think he is that late of a flyer in all honesty. He will pass Robiskie real quick, and has a great chance to become the first option in the passing game, or maybe second behind Watson.
Dexter Manley
Footballguy
With the acquisition of Gaffney, Armstrong is no longer the starter, he's the wr3.And there have been reports that Beck has struggled to throw the deep ball in camp, as compared to Grossman. Armstrong is undraftable, imo.
Eastwood
Footballguy
Sadly, I agree. Moss and Gaffney are the starters, and I'm sure Hankerson will be given opportunities to compete as well
cr8f
Footballguy
How many rookie WR's do much? It's a lot easier for a RB or LB. I did mention Randall Cobb but he can run and get points for return yards as well. In leagues I've seen little goes well before the later rounds. If he is there sure take him.
Rick James
Footballguy
I don't agree at all with those who've listed Brandon Jacobs as a sleeper. I think he's fairly valued.
-he's 29
-he's a bigger RB, prone to injuries
-he's never carried the ball more than 225 times in a single season
-his highest rushing total is 1089 yards
-he's not a significant threat to catch the ball
-he shares the job with a younger, more talented runner who got 270 carries last season
He scores TDs but aside from his 2008 year (15) his highest total is 9...not great for someone who has never rushed for 1100 yards in a season.
-he's 29
-he's a bigger RB, prone to injuries
-he's never carried the ball more than 225 times in a single season
-his highest rushing total is 1089 yards
-he's not a significant threat to catch the ball
-he shares the job with a younger, more talented runner who got 270 carries last season
He scores TDs but aside from his 2008 year (15) his highest total is 9...not great for someone who has never rushed for 1100 yards in a season.
Crazy Tony
Footballguy
I'm more concerned about DBs INTing HENNE vs BUSH cutting into BESS's production. Still MIA targeted BESS 126 times tied #16 overall in the league.http://subscribers.footballguys.com/teams/teampage-mia-2.php Marshall #5 at 146Bess #16 at 126MIA WRs 373 (only 101 plays to other WRs (70 to Hartline)MIA RBs 109MIA TEs 65Marshall was targeted on 26% of their playsBess targeted on 23% of their plays. RBs only 19.9% I think BUSH could get larger chunk of 109 than Thomas.Still FBGs projections have Bess with 62-70 REC. It appears slightly impacted but not much. You could overpay for another player or get the value here.
LawFitz
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My 12th round pick in a recent 10-team 0.5 PPR redraft where we reward return yards at half rec/rush yards and must start 3 WR:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHTaEjIGSPE
Here is his game log after this breakout game (his first NFL start I believe) - points scored in the last column:
9 KC 6 148 0 31.3
10 BYE - - - -
11 @Pit 2 27 0 7.2
12 Mia 4 108 1 36.1
13 @SD 1 4 1 9.7
14 @Jac 2 43 0 7.1
15 Den 3 47 0 24.3
16 Ind 2 21 0 18.1
17 @KC 1 35 0 13.7
Know your league applies here in terms of when to take him: a. my league is chock full of Raider haters; b. my league mates underrate return yards every year.
*The log above doesn't show his rushing or return yards/scores - let's just say he had a few of those as well.
ETA: this is what happens when speed meets ball skills - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RU7HG0LE_30
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHTaEjIGSPE
Here is his game log after this breakout game (his first NFL start I believe) - points scored in the last column:
9 KC 6 148 0 31.3
10 BYE - - - -
11 @Pit 2 27 0 7.2
12 Mia 4 108 1 36.1
13 @SD 1 4 1 9.7
14 @Jac 2 43 0 7.1
15 Den 3 47 0 24.3
16 Ind 2 21 0 18.1
17 @KC 1 35 0 13.7
Know your league applies here in terms of when to take him: a. my league is chock full of Raider haters; b. my league mates underrate return yards every year.
*The log above doesn't show his rushing or return yards/scores - let's just say he had a few of those as well.
ETA: this is what happens when speed meets ball skills - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RU7HG0LE_30
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cr8f
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mjr
Footballguy
I like Gates a lot. I get a Mike Wallace vibe from the kid. Scouting reports and combine numbers between the two are very similar.Harry Douglas could be Atlanta's version of St. Louis' Amendola this year in PPR formats. Dwayne Harris could be a nice stash for dynasty owners.
Kool-Aid Larry
Footballguy
last 10 years it looks like about 5 have had pretty good years.here's probably the top 17 of the last 40 years.http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/psl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=single&year_min=1971&year_max=2011&season_start=1&season_end=1&age_min=0&age_max=99&draft_round_min=0&draft_round_max=99&league_id=&team_id=&is_active=&is_hof=&pos_is_wr=Y&c1stat=rec_td&c1comp=gt&c1val=7&c2stat=rec_yds&c2comp=gt&c2val=800&c3stat=rec&c3comp=gt&c3val=50&c4stat=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&order_by=rec_td'cr8f said:
hotdogcollars
Footballguy
i'd take any of those stats for a guy that can be had in the 10th-12th round
zoonation
Footballguy
or not....
Touchdown There
Footballguy
Even if he looks good, he is second fiddle to Hillis in the regular season.
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Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
How is he falling to people so late? I thought he'd be more known.
cr8f
Footballguy
It is the Ravens and he didn't get many carries. They may be working him in slowly.
Reepicheep
Footballguy
Moss, Garcon, Smith (CAR) all going in the late 80's early 90's, seem like great value to me, maybe I'm missing something.
LawFitz
Footballguy
Raider hate. Jason Campbell hate.
Ron_Mexico
I Love Doggies
3rd fiddle ?
Ghost of Bill Walsh
Footballguy
Kendall Hunter
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
So says the Torain/Helu owner
⚡DEADHEAD⚡
Footballguy
Ford's a talent. Campbell sucks.
LawFitz
Footballguy
Fair.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Gone through a couple drafts now and this is what I have:
Bush, Michael RB OAK
Carter, Delone RB IND
Jennings, Rashad RB JAC
Ridley, Stevan RB NE
Spiller, C.J. RB BUF
Starks, James RB GB
Stewart, Jonathan RB CAR
Tate, Ben RB HOU
Thomas, Daniel RB MIA
Vereen, Shane RB NE
Ward, Derrick RB HOU
Little, Greg WR CLE
Moore, Denarius WR OAK
Roberts, Andre WR ARI
Robiskie, Brian WR CLE
I don't know if all of these guys meet the definition of this thread, but it is an important thread so I thought I'd try to keep it going.
Main thing is:
How is Greg Little looking so far?
I am really wondering about Shurmur's impact there, something has to give in Cleveland offensively, but where?
Bush, Michael RB OAK
Carter, Delone RB IND
Jennings, Rashad RB JAC
Ridley, Stevan RB NE
Spiller, C.J. RB BUF
Starks, James RB GB
Stewart, Jonathan RB CAR
Tate, Ben RB HOU
Thomas, Daniel RB MIA
Vereen, Shane RB NE
Ward, Derrick RB HOU
Little, Greg WR CLE
Moore, Denarius WR OAK
Roberts, Andre WR ARI
Robiskie, Brian WR CLE
I don't know if all of these guys meet the definition of this thread, but it is an important thread so I thought I'd try to keep it going.
Main thing is:
How is Greg Little looking so far?
I am really wondering about Shurmur's impact there, something has to give in Cleveland offensively, but where?
QB - Flacco (seems to fall late in drafts - great value)
RB - Starks (Super Bowl Champ offense - would you really bank on Grant?)
WR - Maclin (most underrated WR in the league in my opinion)
TE - Hernandez (PPR machine behind Mr. Hyped Gronkowski. Hernandez is a late round steal)
RB - Starks (Super Bowl Champ offense - would you really bank on Grant?)
WR - Maclin (most underrated WR in the league in my opinion)
TE - Hernandez (PPR machine behind Mr. Hyped Gronkowski. Hernandez is a late round steal)
Earl Bennett... why does no one talk about him? He is getting the majority of the targets, catching most of them, and has a great rapport with Jay Cutler that goes back into their days at Vanderbilt
85-100 receptions
1,100 yds
6-8 TD's
very similar year to Steve Smith from the Giants two years ago in my opinion
Roy Williams sucks... Devin Hester never made it as a true #1.. and Johnny Knox is a speedster.. Bennett does all the hard work.. and Cutler trusts him most of all
85-100 receptions
1,100 yds
6-8 TD's
very similar year to Steve Smith from the Giants two years ago in my opinion
Roy Williams sucks... Devin Hester never made it as a true #1.. and Johnny Knox is a speedster.. Bennett does all the hard work.. and Cutler trusts him most of all
DoubleG
Footballguy
Bennet will have a particularly good year if the Bears' coaching staff shove Roy Eek Williams down everyone's throat instead of cutting his sorry-excuse-for-a-WR tuckus. As long as Roy is playing, Bennet will be the only real WR on the field.
Antonio Brown -
1) Has trust of Big Ben (made huge catches in post season last year).
2) Has had an excellent training camp.
3) Speed and play making ability - just look at what he did against 1st team CB's the last few weeks.
Only thing against him is the depth of the Pit WR corps. But this kid has sooooo much talent and could end up as #3 WR early and possibly #2 WR in Pit by the end of the season.
1) Has trust of Big Ben (made huge catches in post season last year).
2) Has had an excellent training camp.
3) Speed and play making ability - just look at what he did against 1st team CB's the last few weeks.
Only thing against him is the depth of the Pit WR corps. But this kid has sooooo much talent and could end up as #3 WR early and possibly #2 WR in Pit by the end of the season.
hotdogcollars
Footballguy
oof, looks like Little has caught a bit of "WR Primadonna-itis". I'll stick pick him up late if he's there, but when you cant beat our the Browns WRs, that can't be a good sign
Kool-Aid Larry
Footballguy
so, we should expect double last year's production.
I was hoping for improved OL, but so far it's taken a step in the wrong direction. We'll see if it improves once Okung comes back and the OL gets more comfortable with each other. I think they are at least a year away from being an average line, but they have the potential to be very good in the future...but not this year.
No one is buying this but Harrison is by far the most talented RB that will go largely undrafted and is in a great spot to see lots of action in a very powerful offense. I am not sure how well the Lions can run block, but Harrison will be the man if Best goes down and will probably see a decent amount of workload reguardless. Get him while he is still cheap.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
In both of my drafts so far, I wouldn't call Starks a sleeper at all. He was taken before a couple of actual starters even got selected in both drafts (before Benson and Lynch in both drafts). So if you want Starks, you're probably going to have to take him much earlier than you may think.
Insein
Footballguy
He's been mentioned but Danny Amendola. I loved the guy ever since he was in Eagles camp a couple years ago. I hoped against hope the Eagles would keep him but there were too many guaranteed spots already there. So Gibson and Amendola get let go. This guy has shown he has what it takes to be a top possession WR in this league. He's poised this year to have a 100+ catch season with Bradford in his 2nd year gaining more comfort with him. For leagues that reward return yards, Amendola is an absolute steal. My league awards return yards with half as much as receiving yards (1pt per 20 vs 1pt per 10) and amendola finished as the #3 WR in my league last year.
Amendola should be drafted in the 5-8 area for all PPR and is still worthwhile in regular leagues from 7th on.
Amendola should be drafted in the 5-8 area for all PPR and is still worthwhile in regular leagues from 7th on.
gotexansgo
Footballguy
was dropped in my league, had a down year battling injuries, no reason to think he is done yet...until the young guys take his spot he still holds value in a potent offense.
Insein
Footballguy
Learned my lesson with aging WR's like Eric Moulds and Joe Horn. When they hit the wall, they hit it hard. I think Driver's best days are behind him.
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