RBBC in Miami? (1 Viewer)

[TinHat]

http://dolphinsindepth.blogspot.com/2007/0...l-begin-in.html

Cameron has confirmed what I wrote last week about the running back competition: Brown and Jesse Chatman will share the load this year, regardless of which one starts from week to week. In that regard, the committee meeting of the Dolphins running attack is in session.

"You need two backs in this business," Cameron said. "You can't interpret that as a negative. But you'll see both those backs in a game."

FWIW

 

[Traders2001]

http://dolphinsindepth.blogspot.com/2007/0...l-begin-in.html

Cameron has confirmed what I wrote last week about the running back competition: Brown and Jesse Chatman will share the load this year, regardless of which one starts from week to week. In that regard, the committee meeting of the Dolphins running attack is in session.

"You need two backs in this business," Cameron said. "You can't interpret that as a negative. But you'll see both those backs in a game."

FWIW

Nothing to read in this at all , every single team are giving the ball to two backs .Brown will get 20 carries and Chatman 5 ( I am basing on 25 carries ) no surprise.

 

[-Crippler-]

Eesh. So much for Ronnie Brown's fantasy revival

 

[Gopher State]

http://dolphinsindepth.blogspot.com/2007/0...l-begin-in.html

Cameron has confirmed what I wrote last week about the running back competition: Brown and Jesse Chatman will share the load this year, regardless of which one starts from week to week. In that regard, the committee meeting of the Dolphins running attack is in session.

"You need two backs in this business," Cameron said. "You can't interpret that as a negative. But you'll see both those backs in a game."

FWIW

No shock here, I see it playing out with Brown getting about 15 carries a game and Chatman getting about 10. Not a true RBBC but close, with Chatman having the upside.

 

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http://dolphinsindepth.blogspot.com/2007/0...l-begin-in.html

Cameron has confirmed what I wrote last week about the running back competition: Brown and Jesse Chatman will share the load this year, regardless of which one starts from week to week. In that regard, the committee meeting of the Dolphins running attack is in session.

"You need two backs in this business," Cameron said. "You can't interpret that as a negative. But you'll see both those backs in a game."

FWIW

Nothing to read in this at all , every single team are giving the ball to two backs .Brown will get 20 carries and Chatman 5 ( I am basing on 25 carries ) no surprise.

I'm anticipating a 70/30 spread to start... blending to 50/50 or worse by week 4 or 5.

Brown isn't very good.

 

[Avery]

http://dolphinsindepth.blogspot.com/2007/0...l-begin-in.html

Cameron has confirmed what I wrote last week about the running back competition: Brown and Jesse Chatman will share the load this year, regardless of which one starts from week to week. In that regard, the committee meeting of the Dolphins running attack is in session.

"You need two backs in this business," Cameron said. "You can't interpret that as a negative. But you'll see both those backs in a game."

FWIW

Nothing to read in this at all , every single team are giving the ball to two backs .Brown will get 20 carries and Chatman 5 ( I am basing on 25 carries ) no surprise.

I dunno.If I was a Brown owner, this kind of talk from the head coach so close to the start of the regular season, for a player who many hoped would be a franchise back, would have me a bit nervous.

 

[Traders2001]

http://dolphinsindepth.blogspot.com/2007/0...l-begin-in.html

Cameron has confirmed what I wrote last week about the running back competition: Brown and Jesse Chatman will share the load this year, regardless of which one starts from week to week. In that regard, the committee meeting of the Dolphins running attack is in session.

"You need two backs in this business," Cameron said. "You can't interpret that as a negative. But you'll see both those backs in a game."

FWIW

No shock here, I see it playing out with Brown getting about 15 carries a game and Chatman getting about 10. Not a true RBBC but close, with Chatman having the upside.

Your being generous for Chatman i say 20 - 5 actually like almost evry team . So nothing not expected.

 

[moleculo]

http://dolphinsindepth.blogspot.com/2007/0...l-begin-in.html

Cameron has confirmed what I wrote last week about the running back competition: Brown and Jesse Chatman will share the load this year, regardless of which one starts from week to week. In that regard, the committee meeting of the Dolphins running attack is in session.

"You need two backs in this business," Cameron said. "You can't interpret that as a negative. But you'll see both those backs in a game."

FWIW

Didn't he say the same thing WRT LT/Turner last year?

 

[Traders2001]

http://dolphinsindepth.blogspot.com/2007/0...l-begin-in.html

Cameron has confirmed what I wrote last week about the running back competition: Brown and Jesse Chatman will share the load this year, regardless of which one starts from week to week. In that regard, the committee meeting of the Dolphins running attack is in session.

"You need two backs in this business," Cameron said. "You can't interpret that as a negative. But you'll see both those backs in a game."

FWIW

Didn't he say the same thing WRT LT/Turner last year?

Exactly what i said . Each and every coach are giving the same speach you need to backs in this business so it s not a big story .

 

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http://dolphinsindepth.blogspot.com/2007/0...l-begin-in.html

Cameron has confirmed what I wrote last week about the running back competition: Brown and Jesse Chatman will share the load this year, regardless of which one starts from week to week. In that regard, the committee meeting of the Dolphins running attack is in session.

"You need two backs in this business," Cameron said. "You can't interpret that as a negative. But you'll see both those backs in a game."

FWIW

No shock here, I see it playing out with Brown getting about 15 carries a game and Chatman getting about 10. Not a true RBBC but close, with Chatman having the upside.

Your being generous for Chatman i say 20 - 5 actually like almost evry team . So nothing not expected.

Does every other team have a starting back who's sucked horribly... who has been publicly stated to be in the coaches doghouse? Is every other backfield subject to so much press anticipating the starter losing his job? I suspect "your" [sic] either a Brown owner or someone who isn't exactly in tune with how things work in the NFL...

 

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http://dolphinsindepth.blogspot.com/2007/0...l-begin-in.html

Cameron has confirmed what I wrote last week about the running back competition: Brown and Jesse Chatman will share the load this year, regardless of which one starts from week to week. In that regard, the committee meeting of the Dolphins running attack is in session.

"You need two backs in this business," Cameron said. "You can't interpret that as a negative. But you'll see both those backs in a game."

FWIW

Nothing to read in this at all , every single team are giving the ball to two backs .Brown will get 20 carries and Chatman 5 ( I am basing on 25 carries ) no surprise.

I dunno.If I was a Brown owner, this kind of talk from the head coach so close to the start of the regular season, for a player who many hoped would be a franchise back, would have me a bit nervous.

Brown will be among the biggest non-injury driven busts given where he was being drafted this year.

 

[gregjcross]

nick Saban believed in RBBC too, as mentioned here and happened during the games w/ Lee Suggs. Search it, you will find the hype from this BB last year

So: Its not any different than what Brown has already faced his entire career, unless somebody wants to start hyping Chatman beyond a change of pace back.

So we'll see what happens.

http://dolphinsindepth.blogspot.com/2007/0...l-begin-in.html

Cameron has confirmed what I wrote last week about the running back competition: Brown and Jesse Chatman will share the load this year, regardless of which one starts from week to week. In that regard, the committee meeting of the Dolphins running attack is in session.

"You need two backs in this business," Cameron said. "You can't interpret that as a negative. But you'll see both those backs in a game."

FWIW

No shock here, I see it playing out with Brown getting about 15 carries a game and Chatman getting about 10. Not a true RBBC but close, with Chatman having the upside.

Your being generous for Chatman i say 20 - 5 actually like almost evry team . So nothing not expected.

Does every other team have a starting back who's sucked horribly... who has been publicly stated to be in the coaches doghouse? Is every other backfield subject to so much press anticipating the starter losing his job? I suspect "your" [sic] either a Brown owner or someone who isn't exactly in tune with how things work in the NFL...

 

[Avery]

http://dolphinsindepth.blogspot.com/2007/0...l-begin-in.html

Cameron has confirmed what I wrote last week about the running back competition: Brown and Jesse Chatman will share the load this year, regardless of which one starts from week to week. In that regard, the committee meeting of the Dolphins running attack is in session.

"You need two backs in this business," Cameron said. "You can't interpret that as a negative. But you'll see both those backs in a game."

FWIW

Didn't he say the same thing WRT LT/Turner last year?

Exactly what i said . Each and every coach are giving the same speach you need to backs in this business so it s not a big story .

I doubt that LTs starting job was still up in the air late into the preseason last year, as was apparently the case in Miami this year.Also, Chatman is no Turner.

 

[Traders2001]

http://dolphinsindepth.blogspot.com/2007/0...l-begin-in.html

Cameron has confirmed what I wrote last week about the running back competition: Brown and Jesse Chatman will share the load this year, regardless of which one starts from week to week. In that regard, the committee meeting of the Dolphins running attack is in session.

"You need two backs in this business," Cameron said. "You can't interpret that as a negative. But you'll see both those backs in a game."

FWIW

No shock here, I see it playing out with Brown getting about 15 carries a game and Chatman getting about 10. Not a true RBBC but close, with Chatman having the upside.

Your being generous for Chatman i say 20 - 5 actually like almost evry team . So nothing not expected.

Does every other team have a starting back who's sucked horribly... who has been publicly stated to be in the coaches doghouse? Is every other backfield subject to so much press anticipating the starter losing his job? I suspect "your" [sic] either a Brown owner or someone who isn't exactly in tune with how things work in the NFL...

Sorry but when did he suck horribky most think he actually did very well behind that awful OL .2006 241 carries 1008 yds 4,2 ypc 5 TD's

2005 207 carries 907 yds 4,4 ypc 4 TD's

If you call that sucking horribly your probably the one who isn't exactly in tune with how things work in the NFL...

( The guy would have a 6ypc average behind a OL like Denver ) the only knock on him was nt his performance but the injury he time he missed due to injuries . Please maybe you should think about writing your nonsense.

Aniway lets bring this back around week 4 or 5 i will have a good laugh .

 

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So: Its not any different than what Brown has already faced his entire career, unless somebody wants to start hyping Chatman beyond a change of pace back. So we'll see what happens.

I am not saying he's not already faced this situation.. I'm just laughing at anyone projecting Brown of getting 80% of the carries in Miami. He's been being drafted as a low end RB1 or high end RB2 and he won't perform to those projections. Dodds has him projected to get 68% of the carries in MIA this year....and that would be roughly a 10% increase in carries over last year (240>260). Given that Chatman has looked signficantly better in the preseason, I think 60-65% of the carries by year end is probably more likely.

 

[Avery]

http://dolphinsindepth.blogspot.com/2007/0...l-begin-in.html

Cameron has confirmed what I wrote last week about the running back competition: Brown and Jesse Chatman will share the load this year, regardless of which one starts from week to week. In that regard, the committee meeting of the Dolphins running attack is in session.

"You need two backs in this business," Cameron said. "You can't interpret that as a negative. But you'll see both those backs in a game."

FWIW

No shock here, I see it playing out with Brown getting about 15 carries a game and Chatman getting about 10. Not a true RBBC but close, with Chatman having the upside.

Your being generous for Chatman i say 20 - 5 actually like almost evry team . So nothing not expected.

Does every other team have a starting back who's sucked horribly... who has been publicly stated to be in the coaches doghouse? Is every other backfield subject to so much press anticipating the starter losing his job? I suspect "your" [sic] either a Brown owner or someone who isn't exactly in tune with how things work in the NFL...

Sorry but when did he suck horribky most think he actually did very well behind that awful OL .2006 241 carries 1008 yds 4,2 ypc 5 TD's

2005 207 carries 907 yds 4,4 ypc 4 TD's

If you call that sucking horribly your probably the one who isn't exactly in tune with how things work in the NFL...

( The guy would have a 6ypc average behind a OL like Denver ) the only knock on him was nt his performance but the injury he time he missed due to injuries . Please maybe you think about writing your nonsense.

As is often the case in these kind of arguments, the truth likely lies somewhere in between.

 

[az_prof]

Beautiful rebuttal. We all know how that job share turned out. People who say Brown is no good: how did he manage 4.4 and 4.2 yards per carry behind one of the league's worst offensive lines?

http://dolphinsindepth.blogspot.com/2007/0...l-begin-in.html

Cameron has confirmed what I wrote last week about the running back competition: Brown and Jesse Chatman will share the load this year, regardless of which one starts from week to week. In that regard, the committee meeting of the Dolphins running attack is in session.

"You need two backs in this business," Cameron said. "You can't interpret that as a negative. But you'll see both those backs in a game."

FWIW

Didn't he say the same thing WRT LT/Turner last year?

 

[Boston]

Is it safe to write off Lorenzo Booker's 2007 fantasy value or is there any reason for hope there?

 

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( The guy would have a 6ypc average behind a OL like Denver )

I'm not even going to try to debate this any farther if we're going to start throwing out nuggets like this. Glll this season GB. If you want to lay any cash on the line I'll gladly set the O/U on Brown's share of Miami's carries at 75%. You want the over? (Just assuming so given your 20-5 projection (80/20 split)? You can name the stakes

 

[TinHat]

http://dolphinsindepth.blogspot.com/2007/0...l-begin-in.html

Cameron has confirmed what I wrote last week about the running back competition: Brown and Jesse Chatman will share the load this year, regardless of which one starts from week to week. In that regard, the committee meeting of the Dolphins running attack is in session.

"You need two backs in this business," Cameron said. "You can't interpret that as a negative. But you'll see both those backs in a game."

FWIW

Didn't he say the same thing WRT LT/Turner last year?

Armando Salguero has covered South Florida sports for 25 years, starting as a 19-year-old in 1982. He's covered the Dolphins since 1990 and hosts a Dolphins hour show every weeknight 7-8 on 790 TheTicket (790theticket.com). He has worked nationally for ESPN and also writes sports columns for The Miami Herald.

I'm guessing noFWIW, I'm thinking 70-30, as well, with that ratio shifting either way, ll depending upon production.

JMHO

 

[gregjcross]

So: Its not any different than what Brown has already faced his entire career, unless somebody wants to start hyping Chatman beyond a change of pace back. So we'll see what happens.

I am not saying he's not already faced this situation.. I'm just laughing at anyone projecting Brown of getting 80% of the carries in Miami. He's been being drafted as a low end RB1 or high end RB2 and he won't perform to those projections. Dodds has him projected to get 68% of the carries in MIA this year....and that would be roughly a 10% increase in carries over last year (240>260). Given that Chatman has looked signficantly better in the preseason, I think 60-65% of the carries by year end is probably more likely.

I dont know why he wouldnt get 80% -- esp. if its only Chatman is the guy he has to eclipse. A sober Ricky Williams, that would be a different story. If you bite into this hype of Chatman, go ahead, my point is that its been repeated in pres-season since the beginning of time. Brown will get every opportunity, and if holes are there he will do fine and probably welcome a few carries by Chatman, seeing the Dolphins dont have any other backs to run the ball

 

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If you bite into this hype of Chatman, go ahead, my point is that its been repeated in pres-season since the beginning of time.

I don't bite into any of hte hype regarding the Miami running game. It was one of several that I completely avoided this year. Too many people overpaying for suspect production.

 

[fflnut]

I'm thinking this may be a good time to sell high on Chatman, especially since he probably went undrafted in many leagues. It may pan out to be a RBBC, but if it doesn't he'll become worthless fairly quickly again.

 

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FWIW, I'm thinking 70-30, as well, with that ratio shifting either way, ll depending upon production.

NOt bad.... I'm seeing 65% for brown with the other 35 going to others. 70% is the max.... anyone expecting 80% is dreaming.

 

[az_prof]

( The guy would have a 6ypc average behind a OL like Denver )

I'm not even going to try to debate this any farther if we're going to start throwing out nuggets like this. Glll this season GB. If you want to lay any cash on the line I'll gladly set the O/U on Brown's share of Miami's carries at 75%. You want the over? (Just assuming so given your 20-5 projection (80/20 split)? You can name the stakes

Icon is all over the map. First he projects 60-65%, but then when he proposes money he wants 75%. If you really want to make a bet about we play in the same league and I'll take Brown in the second round and you take Chatman in the fifth, which is where he should go if you're right about his production?Quoting Icon from above: "I am not saying he's not already faced this situation.. I'm just laughing at anyone projecting Brown of getting 80% of the carries in Miami. He's been being drafted as a low end RB1 or high end RB2 and he won't perform to those projections. Dodds has him projected to get 68% of the carries in MIA this year....and that would be roughly a 10% increase in carries over last year (240>260). Given that Chatman has looked signficantly better in the preseason, I think 60-65% of the carries by year end is probably more likely."

 

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I'm thinking this may be a good time to sell high on Chatman, especially since he probably went undrafted in many leagues. It may pan out to be a RBBC, but if it doesn't he'll become worthless fairly quickly again.

IMHO Unless you're in VERY deep leagues the only person who's going to pay much of anything MIGHT be the Brown owner.

 

[twistd]

http://dolphinsindepth.blogspot.com/2007/0...l-begin-in.html

Cameron has confirmed what I wrote last week about the running back competition: Brown and Jesse Chatman will share the load this year, regardless of which one starts from week to week. In that regard, the committee meeting of the Dolphins running attack is in session.

"You need two backs in this business," Cameron said. "You can't interpret that as a negative. But you'll see both those backs in a game."

FWIW

No shock here, I see it playing out with Brown getting about 15 carries a game and Chatman getting about 10. Not a true RBBC but close, with Chatman having the upside.

Your being generous for Chatman i say 20 - 5 actually like almost evry team . So nothing not expected.

20 to 5 is not a RBBC. If Chatman was going to be the #2 he'd get 5 carries. I'd guess this is going to be a 60-40 split. If I were a Ronnie Brown owner I'd be very nervous. Problem is that the Miami offense could be horrible. In that case even the #1 back is practically useless. But if the #1 back is only getting 60% of the carries on a rotten offense, well, you've got fantasy useless.

 

[Traders2001]

( The guy would have a 6ypc average behind a OL like Denver )

I'm not even going to try to debate this any farther if we're going to start throwing out nuggets like this. :(Glll this season GB. If you want to lay any cash on the line I'll gladly set the O/U on Brown's share of Miami's carries at 75%. You want the over? (Just assuming so given your 20-5 projection (80/20 split)? You can name the stakes

You answered the easy part of my post but what about the facts . You said he has been sucking horribly .Sorry but when did he suck horribky most think he actually did very well behind that awful OL .2006 241 carries 1008 yds 4,2 ypc 5 TD's 2005 207 carries 907 yds 4,4 ypc 4 TD's If you call that sucking horribly your probably the one who isn't exactly in tune with how things work in the NFL...I want to know how this is sucking horribly like you said cause i think this is throwing out nuggets and 1/2.

 

[moleculo]

http://dolphinsindepth.blogspot.com/2007/0...l-begin-in.html

Cameron has confirmed what I wrote last week about the running back competition: Brown and Jesse Chatman will share the load this year, regardless of which one starts from week to week. In that regard, the committee meeting of the Dolphins running attack is in session.

"You need two backs in this business," Cameron said. "You can't interpret that as a negative. But you'll see both those backs in a game."

FWIW

No shock here, I see it playing out with Brown getting about 15 carries a game and Chatman getting about 10. Not a true RBBC but close, with Chatman having the upside.

Your being generous for Chatman i say 20 - 5 actually like almost evry team . So nothing not expected.

Does every other team have a starting back who's sucked horribly... who has been publicly stated to be in the coaches doghouse? Is every other backfield subject to so much press anticipating the starter losing his job? I suspect "your" [sic] either a Brown owner or someone who isn't exactly in tune with how things work in the NFL...

care to 'splain how he has sucked horribly? In PPR, he was a top 10 RB before he broke his hand on Thanksgiving last year...All this behind a putrid offense with absolute aweful playcalling and zero production from the QB position.

 

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( The guy would have a 6ypc average behind a OL like Denver )

I'm not even going to try to debate this any farther if we're going to start throwing out nuggets like this. Glll this season GB. If you want to lay any cash on the line I'll gladly set the O/U on Brown's share of Miami's carries at 75%. You want the over? (Just assuming so given your 20-5 projection (80/20 split)? You can name the stakes

You answered the easy part of my post but what about the facts .Sorry but when did he suck horribky most think he actually did very well behind that awful OL .2006 241 carries 1008 yds 4,2 ypc 5 TD's 2005 207 carries 907 yds 4,4 ypc 4 TD's If you call that sucking horribly your probably the one who isn't exactly in tune with how things work in the NFL...I want to know how this is sucking horribly like you said cause i think this is throwing out nuggets and 1/2.

The sucking horribly comment has been referring to his preseason FWIW. Now.. shall we take up our odds on this wager? $100 work for you? Tell ya what.. I'm feeling generous.... 73%. With you guaranteeing 80% this should be the best bet of the year for you. :( Or do you not care to put your money where your projections are.... I mean.... Brown owners have "nothing to worry about" right?

 

[az_prof]

Why not 60% like you assert up above as the most likely ratio?

( The guy would have a 6ypc average behind a OL like Denver )

I'm not even going to try to debate this any farther if we're going to start throwing out nuggets like this. Glll this season GB. If you want to lay any cash on the line I'll gladly set the O/U on Brown's share of Miami's carries at 75%. You want the over? (Just assuming so given your 20-5 projection (80/20 split)? You can name the stakes

You answered the easy part of my post but what about the facts .Sorry but when did he suck horribky most think he actually did very well behind that awful OL .2006 241 carries 1008 yds 4,2 ypc 5 TD's 2005 207 carries 907 yds 4,4 ypc 4 TD's If you call that sucking horribly your probably the one who isn't exactly in tune with how things work in the NFL...I want to know how this is sucking horribly like you said cause i think this is throwing out nuggets and 1/2.

The sucking horribly comment has been referring to his preseason FWIW. Now.. shall we take up our odds on this wager? $100 work for you? Tell ya what.. I'm feeling generous.... 73%. With you guaranteeing 80% this should be the best bet of the year for you. :( Or do you not care to put your money where your projections are.... I mean.... Brown owners have "nothing to worry about" right?

 

[Traders2001]

( The guy would have a 6ypc average behind a OL like Denver )

I'm not even going to try to debate this any farther if we're going to start throwing out nuggets like this. Glll this season GB. If you want to lay any cash on the line I'll gladly set the O/U on Brown's share of Miami's carries at 75%. You want the over? (Just assuming so given your 20-5 projection (80/20 split)? You can name the stakes

You answered the easy part of my post but what about the facts .Sorry but when did he suck horribky most think he actually did very well behind that awful OL .2006 241 carries 1008 yds 4,2 ypc 5 TD's 2005 207 carries 907 yds 4,4 ypc 4 TD's If you call that sucking horribly your probably the one who isn't exactly in tune with how things work in the NFL...I want to know how this is sucking horribly like you said cause i think this is throwing out nuggets and 1/2.

The sucking horribly comment has been referring to his preseason FWIW. Now.. shall we take up our odds on this wager? $100 work for you? Tell ya what.. I'm feeling generous.... 73%. With you guaranteeing 80% this should be the best bet of the year for you. :( Or do you not care to put your money where your projections are.... I mean.... Brown owners have "nothing to worry about" right?

So because he had a average pre season a guy who has had two decent ( Could say good behind that awful OL ) seasons will lose his starting job . Cmon . I wont bet anything but i will tell you what like i said i wll be back around week 4 or 5 bring this post back and make fun of your football knowledge .

 

[moleculo]

http://dolphinsindepth.blogspot.com/2007/0...l-begin-in.html

Cameron has confirmed what I wrote last week about the running back competition: Brown and Jesse Chatman will share the load this year, regardless of which one starts from week to week. In that regard, the committee meeting of the Dolphins running attack is in session.

"You need two backs in this business," Cameron said. "You can't interpret that as a negative. But you'll see both those backs in a game."

FWIW

Didn't he say the same thing WRT LT/Turner last year?

Armando Salguero has covered South Florida sports for 25 years, starting as a 19-year-old in 1982. He's covered the Dolphins since 1990 and hosts a Dolphins hour show every weeknight 7-8 on 790 TheTicket (790theticket.com). He has worked nationally for ESPN and also writes sports columns for The Miami Herald.

I'm guessing noFWIW, I'm thinking 70-30, as well, with that ratio shifting either way, ll depending upon production.

JMHO

I meant Cam Cameron, the coach quoted who happened to be the OC for the Chargers last year.

 

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Why not 60% like you assert up above as the most likely ratio?

My assertions have been 60-65% in this thread. 73% is a nice happy medium between my numbers and his (80%)So we got a deal?

 

[BoltBacker]

Sorry but when did he suck horribky most think he actually did very well behind that awful OL .2006 241 carries 1008 yds 4,2 ypc 5 TD's 2005 207 carries 907 yds 4,4 ypc 4 TD's

Good post Traders, I was also curious how anyone could get "sucked horribly" out of those stats. If Brown is guilty of anything it's not getting enough carries which could be partially due to himself because of nagging injuries... but even then he's never sucked horribly. I'm a Cam fan and think a rising tide will raise all boats in MIA.

 

[notapplicable]

Won't know anything until Sunday afternoon.

 

[moleculo]

( The guy would have a 6ypc average behind a OL like Denver )

I'm not even going to try to debate this any farther if we're going to start throwing out nuggets like this. Glll this season GB. If you want to lay any cash on the line I'll gladly set the O/U on Brown's share of Miami's carries at 75%. You want the over? (Just assuming so given your 20-5 projection (80/20 split)? You can name the stakes

You answered the easy part of my post but what about the facts .Sorry but when did he suck horribky most think he actually did very well behind that awful OL .2006 241 carries 1008 yds 4,2 ypc 5 TD's 2005 207 carries 907 yds 4,4 ypc 4 TD's If you call that sucking horribly your probably the one who isn't exactly in tune with how things work in the NFL...I want to know how this is sucking horribly like you said cause i think this is throwing out nuggets and 1/2.

The sucking horribly comment has been referring to his preseason FWIW. Now.. shall we take up our odds on this wager? $100 work for you? Tell ya what.. I'm feeling generous.... 73%. With you guaranteeing 80% this should be the best bet of the year for you. :( Or do you not care to put your money where your projections are.... I mean.... Brown owners have "nothing to worry about" right?

OK - how has he sucked horribly this pre-season? I've watched all of the 'Phin games, and gone to TC personally - I felt he looked strong, gaining yards after contact, making something out of nothing, and catching the ball especially well.

 

[AngryGorilla]

Is it safe to write off Lorenzo Booker's 2007 fantasy value or is there any reason for hope there?

all hearsay, but isn't Booker supposed to be 3rd down back? or did I hear wrong? Like a Leon Washington sort of role from last season...anyone? input would be welcome

 

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Boy with all these brown owners in here I'd be certain by now someone would be taking me up on my wager offer... I mean 73% of carries is a LOCK right?

 

[Horses Mouth]

So: Its not any different than what Brown has already faced his entire career, unless somebody wants to start hyping Chatman beyond a change of pace back.

So we'll see what happens.

I am not saying he's not already faced this situation.. I'm just laughing at anyone projecting Brown of getting 80% of the carries in Miami. He's been being drafted as a low end RB1 or high end RB2 and he won't perform to those projections. Dodds has him projected to get 68% of the carries in MIA this year....and that would be roughly a 10% increase in carries over last year (240>260). Given that Chatman has looked signficantly better in the preseason, I think 60-65% of the carries by year end is probably more likely.

Hi Icon,I'm a bit suspect of this statement. with all due respect, have you watched any MIA preseason footage? I've been watching what I can (MIA homer) and I'm surprised at everyone saying Brown isn't running hard. Here's some footage I dug up (plus the Colston ad is cool too). I'm still calling BS on Cam and regarding it as coach speak. Now come end of Sunday I might be whistling a different tune, but IMO Brown deserves the full time MIA RB gig. Just to be clear I think the MIA running game is suspect like most, but claiming Brown sucks is a bit premature. See the run at 1:06 for example.

http://video.aol.com/video-detail/ronnie-b...iefs/4100779002

 

[BoltBacker]

Boy with all these brown owners in here I'd be certain by now someone would be taking me up on my wager offer... I mean 73% of carries is a LOCK right?

Well, if you think he's sucked horribly in the past and will share time this year.... where do you have him ranked among RB's this year? What #???? I'm curious because Dodds projections are among the lowest and even he has Brown a top 20 pick.

 

[Tom Baker]

This must have been what put Cam over the top in his interview. "The first thing I'll do is look to do is take the ball out of the hands of your best offensive player, the guy you spent the second overall pick on, and get it in the hands of some free agent scrub." :X

 

[gregjcross]

Icon:Seeing that you have R. Brown opinioned as finishing much lower than consensus, we can check back after three games, and if Brown is getting the over and under of roughly 13 to 14 fantasy PPG, your call about his falling further down will be proven right or wrong. If he is below 11 ppg, your point is well taken. That's really all there is too it. I noticed the fantasy concensus here is 12.75 PPG, with 9 total tds, 300 receiving and 1179 rushing

If you bite into this hype of Chatman, go ahead, my point is that its been repeated in pres-season since the beginning of time.

I don't bite into any of hte hype regarding the Miami running game. It was one of several that I completely avoided this year. Too many people overpaying for suspect production.

 

[moleculo]

Boy with all these brown owners in here I'd be certain by now someone would be taking me up on my wager offer... I mean 73% of carries is a LOCK right? :X

When I did some analysis last year, I was amazed at the low percentage of carries the top guys got. Reuben Droughns led the NFL in % carries on his team @ 78%.My conclusion was that there is really no definition of RBBC: every team is RBBC to some degree. Some of the top guys in the NFL got ~65% of the carries. Consider that the average NFL team rushed 451 times last year - 300 carries is about 66%. Only 10 players eclipsed the 300 carry mark. 66% of an average rushing team will get you top 10 in the NFL in terms of # of carries.Yes, I am a Brown owner, and a fan. But I try to be rational about it here, and I can't see anything but good in his situation.

 

[[icon]]

Boy with all these brown owners in here I'd be certain by now someone would be taking me up on my wager offer... I mean 73% of carries is a LOCK right?

When I did some analysis last year, I was amazed at the low percentage of carries the top guys got. Reuben Droughns led the NFL in % carries on his team @ 78%.My conclusion was that there is really no definition of RBBC: every team is RBBC to some degree. Some of the top guys in the NFL got ~65% of the carries. Consider that the average NFL team rushed 451 times last year - 300 carries is about 66%. Only 10 players eclipsed the 300 carry mark. 66% of an average rushing team will get you top 10 in the NFL in terms of # of carries.Yes, I am a Brown owner, and a fan. But I try to be rational about it here, and I can't see anything but good in his situation.

I dunno... Traders seems convinced Brown is lock for 80% of carries Not that I expected him to back his words with his wallet but you're cutting into my action here :X

 

[Kiddnets]

It's all speculation at this point. Where does it say any type of numbers on the split - all he said was he would use two backs. That could be any type of split or going with the hot hand ala Mangini last year. Any way you spin it - not want you want to hear as a Brown owner. My big league the Brown owner paid $180/$500 cap. I got Chatman for $1 - any type of split is gravy to me and most people that took a flyer at the end of the draft. If I'm a Brown owner I am sweatiing and hoping Ronnie busts it out of the gate. I think Chatman will get a few series a game all to himself and if he looks better than Brown - he will get more time. If borwn looks better he will get more time

 

[moleculo]

Boy with all these brown owners in here I'd be certain by now someone would be taking me up on my wager offer... I mean 73% of carries is a LOCK right?

When I did some analysis last year, I was amazed at the low percentage of carries the top guys got. Reuben Droughns led the NFL in % carries on his team @ 78%.My conclusion was that there is really no definition of RBBC: every team is RBBC to some degree. Some of the top guys in the NFL got ~65% of the carries. Consider that the average NFL team rushed 451 times last year - 300 carries is about 66%. Only 10 players eclipsed the 300 carry mark. 66% of an average rushing team will get you top 10 in the NFL in terms of # of carries.Yes, I am a Brown owner, and a fan. But I try to be rational about it here, and I can't see anything but good in his situation.

I dunno... Traders seems convinced Brown is lock for 80% of carries Not that I expected him to back his words with his wallet but you're cutting into my action here :X

sorry.Traders> pls disregard my posts. Carry on.

 

[[icon]]

Icon:Seeing that you have R. Brown opinioned as finishing much lower than consensus, we can check back after three games, and if Brown is getting the over and under of roughly 13 to 14 fantasy PPG, your call about his falling further down will be proven right or wrong. If he is below 11 ppg, your point is well taken. That's really all there is too it. I noticed the fantasy concensus here is 12.75 PPG, with 9 total tds, 300 receiving and 1179 rushing

If you bite into this hype of Chatman, go ahead, my point is that its been repeated in pres-season since the beginning of time.

I don't bite into any of hte hype regarding the Miami running game. It was one of several that I completely avoided this year. Too many people overpaying for suspect production.

FPPG over 3 games is a bit of a small sample size with the volatility of TDs.... but we can take a peek at this thread after that point if you want. My primary assertions here have been the breakout of carries.. not points over the first quarter of the season.... but we shall see. Damn shame nobody wants to give me some action on the under 73% of carries though :X

 

[az_prof]

:X Great analysis.

Boy with all these brown owners in here I'd be certain by now someone would be taking me up on my wager offer... I mean 73% of carries is a LOCK right?

When I did some analysis last year, I was amazed at the low percentage of carries the top guys got. Reuben Droughns led the NFL in % carries on his team @ 78%.My conclusion was that there is really no definition of RBBC: every team is RBBC to some degree. Some of the top guys in the NFL got ~65% of the carries. Consider that the average NFL team rushed 451 times last year - 300 carries is about 66%. Only 10 players eclipsed the 300 carry mark. 66% of an average rushing team will get you top 10 in the NFL in terms of # of carries.Yes, I am a Brown owner, and a fan. But I try to be rational about it here, and I can't see anything but good in his situation.

 

[[icon]]

It's all speculation at this point. Where does it say any type of numbers on the split - all he said was he would use two backs. That could be any type of split or going with the hot hand ala Mangini last year. Any way you spin it - not want you want to hear as a Brown owner. My big league the Brown owner paid $180/$500 cap. I got Chatman for $1 - any type of split is gravy to me and most people that took a flyer at the end of the draft. If I'm a Brown owner I am sweatiing and hoping Ronnie busts it out of the gate. I think Chatman will get a few series a game all to himself and if he looks better than Brown - he will get more time. If borwn looks better he will get more time

:X Gross.