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RBBC is on the decline (1 Viewer)

Dirty Weasel

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Warning - SEMI-LONG POST AHEAD!

The offseason is a great time to dig deep into stats, while you wait impatiently for your upcoming draft. As years go on, it seems more and more FF'ers tend to worry about RBBC in the NFL. I have played FF for about 20 years (on and off, mostly on), and I recall hearing the same things back then. It made me wonder, "is the NFL really heading down the RBBC path, or is it just in the minds of fantasy owners?". Well, with all the time on my hands, I decided to crunch some numbers to see what they had to say about it. But, how far should I go back? How many years do I really need to make the research seem credible? After much deliberation (with myself), I chose the year 1978 as my starting point. It seemed like the right year, because that's the year the NFL switched to a 16-game schedule. But, have I bitten off more than I can chew? That's 29 years of data I need to compile! I told myself, "why not, you have 3 months before your draft day comes". I figured there were 2 main factors associated with RBBC - carries and TD's. You don't want your FF RB's losing carries to their backups, and you certainly don't want them losing TD's to them. But, how should I prepare the data so it makes sense? I figured I'd need to break it into carries and TD's first, and then overlay them on a timeline chart. I chose to chart the carries first, figuring it would be pretty easy to find the stats online. I picked http://www.pro-football-reference.com/ as my main source, and used http://www.jt-sw.com/football/pro/stats.nsf in case the first site's data seemed out of whack. So, I double-clicked on that Microsoft Excel icon and I was off and typing. After only (insert your guess here) hours I was done. I had charted every carry, by every position, in the last 29 years. As Thornton Melon said, "I felt like I gave birth to an accountant". I had the raw data in my hands now, and it was time to put it into the form of a picture. I had made line charts using Microsoft PowerPoint before, so I opened up that program and input the results (but only for RB's 1-5 on each team). It worked like a champ, and only took an hour. I now had, in front of me, a line chart showing how the carries have been distributed throughout the years. Now all I have to do is start the Excel process over for TD's, then add the results to my PowerPoint slide. But before I dig into the TD stats, I figured I'd take a day off. That's where I sit right now, typing out this post. If you have read this far, thanx for listening. And as a gift for listening to me ramble on, here are the links to the Excel and PowerPoint files:

http://www.sendspace.com/file/dudarg

http://www.sendspace.com/file/dwsyk3

Just scroll down to the flashing red arrow to download.

You can download them to your computer and do whatever best suits your needs with them. I've gone this far, so charting the TD's is something I won't give up on. I will post the files for those when I am finished.

 
off the top of my head, here are the teams that used RBBC in 2006

NE

NYJ

Hou

Indy

J-ville

Den

Dall

Chi

Atl

Car

NO

Cle

The teams that use RBBC will change from year to year but I think you can always count on 35% to 40 % to use 2 RBs.

who will use RBBC in 07?

Cle

Buf- here **** J say on NFL Radio he likes using 2 RBs, do not see it

Indy- read somehwere Tony lD ikes the 2 RB system do not see it

J-ville

Tenn

Oak

NYG

Dall

Det- if KJ is not ready

GB

Minny

ATl

Car

NO

 
DW-

First off I noticed you must be a weasel pilot or crewman so hats off for being there for our country. I'm too old but if I could I would enlist in heartbeat. Thanks for serving!

IMHO-There is and will always be teams that have RBBC. The reason is simple. There are only so many quality RB1 types that can carry the load. That's why you have to get 1 (or 2) if you can. Your team will be better off for having a stud RB as long you are required to start 1 (or 2).

Thanks for sharing this info. I'm sure there are many who will benefit from your work.

 
off the top of my head, here are the teams that used RBBC in 2006

NE

NYJ

Hou

Indy

J-ville

Den

Dall

Chi

Atl

Car

NO

Cle

The teams that use RBBC will change from year to year but I think you can always count on 35% to 40 % to use 2 RBs.

who will use RBBC in 07?

Cle

Buf- here **** J say on NFL Radio he likes using 2 RBs, do not see it

Indy- read somehwere Tony lD ikes the 2 RB system do not see it

J-ville

Tenn

Oak

NYG

Dall

Det- if KJ is not ready

GB

Minny

ATl

Car

NO
Jamal Lewis will share, with whom?
 
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Add CHI to the list. They are high on the local kid- Garrett Wolfe, so watch for more of an RBBC again this year.

 
Thanks for the efforts!

I'm really looking forward to the touchdown trend lines, as a friend and I had a long discussion about that exact topic this morning. My hunch is that the red line will look different for touchdowns than it does for carries. Guess we'll see.

It might also be interesting to factor receiving into this. Is it possible that RB1s get more receptions & receiving yards than they did in the past? Do those receptions and yards go more often to an alternate/RB2, making the RBBC seem more prevalent lately?

 
off the top of my head, here are the teams that used RBBC in 2006

NE

NYJ

Hou

Indy

J-ville

Den

Dall

Chi

Atl

Car

NO

Cle

The teams that use RBBC will change from year to year but I think you can always count on 35% to 40 % to use 2 RBs.

who will use RBBC in 07?

Cle

Buf- here **** J say on NFL Radio he likes using 2 RBs, do not see it

Indy- read somehwere Tony lD ikes the 2 RB system do not see it

J-ville

Tenn

Oak

NYG

Dall

Det- if KJ is not ready

GB

Minny

ATl

Car

NO
Jamal Lewis will share, with whom?
It does not matter if he gets all the carries he is done as an elite RB in the NFL
 
Good job. Your suspicions obviously proved correct about the carries. The true RBBC period seems to have been in the late seventies and early eighties. The RB1 carries haven't dipped below the fifties in over a decade. Also interesting that RBBC seems to have actually decreased over the past three years (56.47% of carries to RB1 in 2004 to 58,62 in 06)

 
Thanks for the efforts! I'm really looking forward to the touchdown trend lines, as a friend and I had a long discussion about that exact topic this morning. My hunch is that the red line will look different for touchdowns than it does for carries. Guess we'll see.It might also be interesting to factor receiving into this. Is it possible that RB1s get more receptions & receiving yards than they did in the past? Do those receptions and yards go more often to an alternate/RB2, making the RBBC seem more prevalent lately?
I have only completed 4 years of the TD stats so far, but I was kind of shocked by the results. I chose to start with 1978, 1979, 2005, and 2006. I fully expected the carries trend line to be like it turned out, but it looks like the TD trend line may end up being similar to the carries trend. I am looking forward to the results myself. With the perception of guys like Payton, Campbell, etc. being so dominant in their careers, we forget about all the other guys that weren't so dominant. We also forget that even some of those dominant guys had a pretty decent RB2 stealing carries and TD's, but they were just so overshadowed by the studs, that time has passed them by. Great idea on doing a receptions chart for RB's as well. That will be step 3, after rushing TD's are complete.
 
off the top of my head, here are the teams that used RBBC in 2006

NE

NYJ

Hou

Indy

J-ville

Den

Dall

Chi

Atl

Car

NO

Cle

The teams that use RBBC will change from year to year but I think you can always count on 35% to 40 % to use 2 RBs.

who will use RBBC in 07?

Cle

Buf- here **** J say on NFL Radio he likes using 2 RBs, do not see it

Indy- read somehwere Tony lD ikes the 2 RB system do not see it

J-ville

Tenn

Oak

NYG

Dall

Det- if KJ is not ready

GB

Minny

ATl

Car

NO
Jamal Lewis will share, with whom?
And RD shared the ball with who last year? You do mean the Cleveland Browns and not the 5 kids that play the piano don't you?
 
When trying to project RBBC by using what's happened in the past, it's important that you look at each team's situation closely. What appears to be a RBBC just by looking at the year-end stats (RB1 50%, RB2 40%, say), may in fact have not been. it makes a huge difference whether that split production was made with:

A) both RBs playing at the same time....

or whether it was made with

B) one RB getting hurt (or benched) followed by a different RB.

Scenario A is a true RBBC & is an owner's nightmare. That's Warrick Dunn gatting 14 carries every game & Norwood getting 10.

Scenario B is not RBBC. That's Dunn getting 22 carries every game until he gets hurt in week 10, then Norwood getting 22 in the last 7 weeks. You can deal with this because one guy is getting the majority of the production. Once Dunn gets hurt, you're not playing him.

 
When trying to project RBBC by using what's happened in the past, it's important that you look at each team's situation closely. What appears to be a RBBC just by looking at the year-end stats (RB1 50%, RB2 40%, say), may in fact have not been. it makes a huge difference whether that split production was made with:A) both RBs playing at the same time....or whether it was made with B) one RB getting hurt (or benched) followed by a different RB.Scenario A is a true RBBC & is an owner's nightmare. That's Warrick Dunn gatting 14 carries every game & Norwood getting 10.Scenario B is not RBBC. That's Dunn getting 22 carries every game until he gets hurt in week 10, then Norwood getting 22 in the last 7 weeks. You can deal with this because one guy is getting the majority of the production. Once Dunn gets hurt, you're not playing him.
I was going to post the exact same thingI think that injuries over the past few years are down, which may account for some of this.
 
Uruk-Hai said:
When trying to project RBBC by using what's happened in the past, it's important that you look at each team's situation closely. What appears to be a RBBC just by looking at the year-end stats (RB1 50%, RB2 40%, say), may in fact have not been. it makes a huge difference whether that split production was made with:A) both RBs playing at the same time....or whether it was made with B) one RB getting hurt (or benched) followed by a different RB.Scenario A is a true RBBC & is an owner's nightmare. That's Warrick Dunn gatting 14 carries every game & Norwood getting 10.Scenario B is not RBBC. That's Dunn getting 22 carries every game until he gets hurt in week 10, then Norwood getting 22 in the last 7 weeks. You can deal with this because one guy is getting the majority of the production. Once Dunn gets hurt, you're not playing him.
I fully agree with having to know whether the carries/TD split were due to true RBBC or injury. It makes all the difference in the world to FF owners. But after 29 straight years of RB1 slowly increasing his lead on the pack (in both carries and TD's), one can safely assume the theory that RBBC is on the rise is not valid. It is, in fact, on the decline. In the past, those carries and TD's were spread out more evenly over more RB's, but nowadays it's pretty much a 2-man race. In 2006, RB's 1 and 2 combined for 80% of the carries and 79% of the TD's, but in 1978 they only combined for 64% of the carries and 62% of the TD's. The kicker is that RB1 has increased his totals at a much higher rate over that span versus RB2. RB2 has basically hovered around 25% in both carries and TD's, but RB1 has increased from around 40% up to around 60% in both categories. Since we are talking about such a huge timeframe (392,086 NFL carries in the last 29 years), that certainly is plenty enough data to make the logical conclusion that RBBC isn't on the rise.
 
I have completed all the stats for carries and TD's. Attached at the bottom of this post are links to 3 files. 2 of them are Excel files (1 for carries and 1 for TD's). The 3rd file is a PowerPoint slide, showing how carries and TD's have been distributed throughout the years. It's that PowerPoint slide that gives you a great visual on just how rushing has changed over the years.

If you look at the Excel file for TD's, you will notice that the 1993-1994 seasons is the point where RB3 took a backseat to QB1. From 1978-1993, RB3 had more rushing TD's than QB1 in 11 of the 16 years. But since 1994, QB1 has had more rushing TD's than RB3 every year (except for 2005, when they tied).

Fun stats

- Kordell Stewart and Daunte Culpepper are the only QB's to reach double-digit rushing TD's in the last 30 years.

- The Arizona Cardinals have been known for their poor running game. Further proof is that 2 times in the last 4 years, their RB1 had ZERO TD's (both by Marcel Shipp). Oh yeah, Adrian Murrell did it too in 1999.

- The 1982 season was only 9 games long. The only person to reach double-digit TD's was Marcus Allen (11).

- 1987 was a strange year, that's for sure. The season was only 15 games long, and every team except the Cardinals used at least 7 different RB's.

- In 1978, the 49er's had 4 different RB's with over 100 carries each. That feat hasn't been duplicated since.

- Michael Vick's 120 carries in 2004 would've made him the RB1 on the Raiders.

- TB has went the longest without a 300-carry RB (Errict Rhett in 1995).

Links

http://www.sendspace.com/file/m1mlt8 - Excel file for carries

http://www.sendspace.com/file/1ws2ri - Excel file for TD's

http://www.sendspace.com/file/t0z5no - PowerPoint slide for both

 

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