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Really struggling ranking the RB's after the big 3 (1 Viewer)

Judge Smails

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So picking 10th in a 12 team 1/2 PPR, 6 point TD league with bonuses for 100/100/300. I like my roster construction much better when I go RB/RB and hammering WR's 3-5. I've taken AJ or GW in mocks and just don't like my teams when I go WR early from that spot.

The question is which RBs? Assuming the guy picking 9 goes AJ Brown, I will have my first choice of Taylor, Barkley, Gibbs, Henry, Williams. Those are the 5 I'm considering. Out of all of those guys, the guy I feel most solid about believe it or not is Henry. I think he's a lock for 15 TD's in Baltimore. I'm not afraid of the cliff - matter of fact I'd bet on him staying healthy over all the others, and he's showed zero wear. Still looks like a beast in camp. If Gus Edwards can get 12 TD's then what's he gonna get? Lamar doesn't vulture short TD's like Allen and Hurts. Not worried about the O-Line - he had worse at Tennessee. They'll be playing ahead vs from behind so he should get more carries than last year. The question is who to get besides him and what's the right strategy to ensure I get both?

Strategy 1 - I can just take Henry at 10 even though it's a reach with ADP. If I do that great shot Taylor, Barkley and Gibbs go, leaving me with Henry/Williams. That actually was my preferred combo until recently, only I was going to draft Kyren first then Henry. But then the punt return news. I'm starting to think that's not a big deal.

Strategy 2 - Take one of the other 3 first knowing that there is a 80+% chance that Henry will be there in the early 2nd. He's there in every mock and he's just not a sexy pick, so may slip through the turn.

So how to rank them? Interesting, as even with higher rankings than the others guys like Barkley/Taylor are at the top of Evan Silva's shy away list. Both have rushing QB's that steal TD's (while Lamar scrambles for some rushing TD's, when they are down close he hands it to RB's - not the same). I got burned by Taylor when he was the consensus #1 so admittedly have a sour taste in my mouth with him. And it would drive me nuts all year to see Hurts Tush Push TD's that could be Barkley's. So realistically I don't want those guys. Gibbs? I like him more than the other 2. Love his talent and love the offense. Montgomery is still there, and he had the hamstring. Williams? It all comes down to whether we believe Corum is a real threat as McVay has never split carries with RB's. He rides one. After last year's performance I would have to think it's Williams workhorse role to lose. He would have to fumble or get hurt for Corum to make a dent.

Gibbs won't make it back to me. I'm sure of that. So if I go Henry first I have to be good with Williams. Or I can take Gibbs first and then roll the dice that there is a very good chance Henry is there at 2.02.

Am I crazy to be discounting Barkley and Taylor and taking these other guys?
 
I don't have a crystal ball, but Gibbs, Kyren, Pacheco, and Etienne are on my no-fly list. I'm not taking a scat back type that high unless I think he's special, and I'm not that high on any of them. I also think Montgomery, Corum, and Perine pose some degree of vulture threat.

Henry sort of has the opposite problem. 30 years old. Unbelievable amount of wear and tear. Limited value in the passing game. He also has a running QB on his team and an elite TE to vulture red zone looks. I won't say he'll flop, but I'm passing on him at ADP. Not my cup of tea.

The names that I like in that territory are Taylor, Barkley, and Jacobs. I'll offer a counterpoint on Barkley. He's probably the best RB talent I've seen in the past decade of evaluating prospects for the draft. When you factor in injuries and the ineptitude of the NYG organization, I think it's reasonable to say that his career to date has been one of the worst runouts possible, yet he's still had pretty good production. Throw him on a real team for the first time in his career and you may see a transformation ala Lynch going from Buffalo to Seattle. We've never seen what Saquon looks like with a competent supporting cast, and it's an exciting proposition. I thought about him with the #5 pick in my draft and would be happy to snag him at the turn.

Taylor and Jacobs are established three down guys on medium-good offenses. They're both in the prime of their careers. I feel fine grabbing one of them outside the top tier as my top RB. With Jacobs, I like Lloyd enough that I'd want to draft him late as insurance.
 
So picking 10th in a 12 team 1/2 PPR, 6 point TD league with bonuses for 100/100/300. I like my roster construction much better when I go RB/RB and hammering WR's 3-5. I've taken AJ or GW in mocks and just don't like my teams when I go WR early from that spot.

The question is which RBs? Assuming the guy picking 9 goes AJ Brown, I will have my first choice of Taylor, Barkley, Gibbs, Henry, Williams. Those are the 5 I'm considering. Out of all of those guys, the guy I feel most solid about believe it or not is Henry. I think he's a lock for 15 TD's in Baltimore. I'm not afraid of the cliff - matter of fact I'd bet on him staying healthy over all the others, and he's showed zero wear. Still looks like a beast in camp. If Gus Edwards can get 12 TD's then what's he gonna get? Lamar doesn't vulture short TD's like Allen and Hurts. Not worried about the O-Line - he had worse at Tennessee. They'll be playing ahead vs from behind so he should get more carries than last year. The question is who to get besides him and what's the right strategy to ensure I get both?

Strategy 1 - I can just take Henry at 10 even though it's a reach with ADP. If I do that great shot Taylor, Barkley and Gibbs go, leaving me with Henry/Williams. That actually was my preferred combo until recently, only I was going to draft Kyren first then Henry. But then the punt return news. I'm starting to think that's not a big deal.

Strategy 2 - Take one of the other 3 first knowing that there is a 80+% chance that Henry will be there in the early 2nd. He's there in every mock and he's just not a sexy pick, so may slip through the turn.

So how to rank them? Interesting, as even with higher rankings than the others guys like Barkley/Taylor are at the top of Evan Silva's shy away list. Both have rushing QB's that steal TD's (while Lamar scrambles for some rushing TD's, when they are down close he hands it to RB's - not the same). I got burned by Taylor when he was the consensus #1 so admittedly have a sour taste in my mouth with him. And it would drive me nuts all year to see Hurts Tush Push TD's that could be Barkley's. So realistically I don't want those guys. Gibbs? I like him more than the other 2. Love his talent and love the offense. Montgomery is still there, and he had the hamstring. Williams? It all comes down to whether we believe Corum is a real threat as McVay has never split carries with RB's. He rides one. After last year's performance I would have to think it's Williams workhorse role to lose. He would have to fumble or get hurt for Corum to make a dent.

Gibbs won't make it back to me. I'm sure of that. So if I go Henry first I have to be good with Williams. Or I can take Gibbs first and then roll the dice that there is a very good chance Henry is there at 2.02.

Am I crazy to be discounting Barkley and Taylor and taking these other guys?

Get Henry 1st. 85% chance he is there in the 2nd but you would kill yourself if he is not. Then williams if you like him, but you better waste a pick in the 8th or 9th on Corum.
I have Henry 3rd behind CMC & B. Hall. Going to be a monster.
 
Gibbs won't make it back to me. I'm sure of that. So if I go Henry first I have to be good with Williams. Or I can take Gibbs first and then roll the dice that there is a very good chance Henry is there at 2.02.
Lions HC is fairly transparent on injury concerns and his quote today is that Gibbs is not a player whose injury status is a concern for Sunday's opener. Take that for what it's worth.
 
Taylor seems like an obvious option as the RB4. I could make an argument for him as RB2.

He's unquestioned starter same as Henry and Kyren (not 100% on that but it seems overblown) but not Gibbs who is absolutely in a timeshare.

He is an every down back unlike Henry who has not been used in the passing game and is on a team that doesn't pass to RBs.

Having a running QB is generally considered a benefit for RB efficiency only Henry has that.

His only question mark is at the goal line with Anthony Richardson possibly, but not necessarily, stealing opportunities. Lamar doesn't vulture GL TDs, he's a bigger concern on broken plays from 5+ yards out. Considering Richardson's health issues I don't think it's a stretch to suggest Steichen would try to employ a similar strategy.

Henry is the only back who likely doesn't have concerns at the goal line. Gibbs has Monty and Kyren has some questions surrounding him with Corum and this oddness around special teams. And the fact that he is small. But, Kyren is tough to figure out with confidence in general.

ETA: Sorry forgot about Barkley. I'm a big fan and he checks the same boxes as Taylor on most levels but we know for a fact he has biggest potential TD vulture of the bunch.

Gibbs and Saquon have the best offensive lines but Taylor's is also good. I don't think highly at all of Henry's or Kyren's.

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Barkley/Gibbs, Gibbs/Barkley, those 2 should come off the board 1st.

After that I would say Derrick Henry is a shoe in for double digit TDs
Etienne is actually entering Year 3, he missed his rookie season and he's a big part of things in Jacksonville, has good chemistry with Lawrence, Year 4 on his contract so he's gonna want to exceed expectations if at all possible. and Jax did pick up his 5th year option.

Kyren Williams? I am not impressed but maybe this year I'll see him differently
Jacobs will be gone before you pick in the 3rd, I'd slide him up into the same tier as Williams but that's me

No Wide Receivers you like on the 1/2 turn? Lots to like on 3/4 so I get it
 
Barkley/Gibbs, Gibbs/Barkley, those 2 should come off the board 1st.

After that I would say Derrick Henry is a shoe in for double digit TDs
Etienne is actually entering Year 3, he missed his rookie season and he's a big part of things in Jacksonville, has good chemistry with Lawrence, Year 4 on his contract so he's gonna want to exceed expectations if at all possible. and Jax did pick up his 5th year option.

Kyren Williams? I am not impressed but maybe this year I'll see him differently
Jacobs will be gone before you pick in the 3rd, I'd slide him up into the same tier as Williams but that's me

No Wide Receivers you like on the 1/2 turn? Lots to like on 3/4 so I get it
I think you forgot Jonathan Taylor.
 
Barkley/Gibbs, Gibbs/Barkley, those 2 should come off the board 1st.

After that I would say Derrick Henry is a shoe in for double digit TDs
Etienne is actually entering Year 3, he missed his rookie season and he's a big part of things in Jacksonville, has good chemistry with Lawrence, Year 4 on his contract so he's gonna want to exceed expectations if at all possible. and Jax did pick up his 5th year option.

Kyren Williams? I am not impressed but maybe this year I'll see him differently
Jacobs will be gone before you pick in the 3rd, I'd slide him up into the same tier as Williams but that's me

No Wide Receivers you like on the 1/2 turn? Lots to like on 3/4 so I get it
The whole strategy is based around that I love the WR's available in 3-6, and I hate the RB2's available there. Hence, RB/RB start
 
Barkley/Gibbs, Gibbs/Barkley, those 2 should come off the board 1st.

After that I would say Derrick Henry is a shoe in for double digit TDs
Etienne is actually entering Year 3, he missed his rookie season and he's a big part of things in Jacksonville, has good chemistry with Lawrence, Year 4 on his contract so he's gonna want to exceed expectations if at all possible. and Jax did pick up his 5th year option.

Kyren Williams? I am not impressed but maybe this year I'll see him differently
Jacobs will be gone before you pick in the 3rd, I'd slide him up into the same tier as Williams but that's me

No Wide Receivers you like on the 1/2 turn? Lots to like on 3/4 so I get it
How can you not be impressed with Kyren Williams last year?
 
I've been preaching going RB in the 1st all preseason. Like you said, the build almost always ends up better.

To me, Taylor is the #4RB and it's not even close.

Then Barkley, Gibbs, Henry, Kyren of those mentioned.
However, I like Jacobs and ETN in that same group. I want upside and those two have it.
Kyren is being drafted at his ceiling and now Corum is in the mix.
Henry on his way down.
 
Barkley/Gibbs, Gibbs/Barkley, those 2 should come off the board 1st.

After that I would say Derrick Henry is a shoe in for double digit TDs
Etienne is actually entering Year 3, he missed his rookie season and he's a big part of things in Jacksonville, has good chemistry with Lawrence, Year 4 on his contract so he's gonna want to exceed expectations if at all possible. and Jax did pick up his 5th year option.

Kyren Williams? I am not impressed but maybe this year I'll see him differently
Jacobs will be gone before you pick in the 3rd, I'd slide him up into the same tier as Williams but that's me

No Wide Receivers you like on the 1/2 turn? Lots to like on 3/4 so I get it
How can you not be impressed with Kyren Williams last year?
In that tier after the first 3 RBs come off the board

I like Gibbs and Saquon, then Henry
Kyren WIlliams and Josh Jacobs are going to be in the same tier IMHO, and I might like Jacobs situation even more despite Lloyd 2nd Half with the Pack, gonna take a while for him to seriously eat into Jacobs production.

Somewhere between Gibbs and Jacobs is Taylor, he sits higher on some folks boards, I'm not impressed with the Colts Offense and neither were the Cincinnati Bengals in a controlled scrimmage as they mocked the Colts and openly asked the OL if all Richardson does is run the football? That and everything else I read that comes directly from the GM or HC and not some beat writer trying to get clicks, the FO and Coaches do not hide that Richardson needs seasoning or reps to say the least.

Etienne gets quite a workload and should Jacksonville see an uptick in their offense with new weapons like Thomas to stretch the field, I like the upside Etienne brings
Achance and that's what i refer to him as, seems very risky among the names we've been discussing
Also would not overlook the volume of a White from the Bucs

2nd/3rd round is difficult to navigate
 
BTW - Just as an aside, I find these focused think tanks on just a couple handful of names that are likely on the board be it 1/2 turn, 4/5 turn, I enjoy the specific sections of the Draft and then see how that matches up against what you find at other point in your Redrafts
 

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