I saw the Lookout in theaters after reading a lot of good reviews. I was very dissappointed. Ridiculous movie due to lazy writing.Good plot and it was very consistent throughout. The caring stripper angle had me hooked.
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jdoggydogg
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I liked all the scenes with the buddies talking trash. The sister was an annoying nag.
El Floppo
Footballguy
Funny- I found the stoner roomies tiresome and cliche, and the sister funny.jdoggydogg said:
Still, for me, the fatal flaw of the movie was (besides not being funny enough) that it didn't really touch enough on the HUGE disparity between the fat slob guy hooking up with the uber-hot succesful gal. Mebbe that book "The Game" has become so commonplace, it's understood that fat out-of-work slobs can hook up with anybody they want as long as they throw some Negs or whatever.
krista4
Footballguy
A couple of weeks worth to catch up on. El Floppo, please ignore and go watch whatever your wife rented for you. 
Strange Days - Probably would have liked this better if I had watched it in one sitting instead over the course of a week. Still, though I'm no sci-fi fan generally, I enjoyed this. Angela Basset is bad ###, and Ralph Fiennes and Juliette Lewis were very good. It kept my interest and was interesting and exciting. The only thing I hated was the Hollywood ending.
Return of the Secaucus 7 - Wow, I'm a huge John Sayles fan but this was pretty much unwatchable for me. It was a predecessor of, and obviously must have informed, The Big Chill, but worse and does not hold up well (very dated). The worst part was taking one of my favorite actors, Davis Straitharn, and encouraging a shrill and almost comical performance. I didn't even make it through the whole movie.
Winter Solstice - Would not be loved by many people here. Nothing happens. I liked it a lot, though--it's a great portrait of a moment in time for a family (father and two teenage sons) that had lost its wife/mother. Great performances; very quiet and subtle but powerful movie.
Through the Fire - Documentary following Sebastian Telfair through his senior year of high school, deciding between college and the NBA. This was no "Hoop Dreams", but I thought it was very good. Wish I didn't know that Telfair has since become a thug...in the documentary he was a smart, cool kid, with a very strong family support system that seemed sure to keep him out of trouble. Something obviously happened when he made it to the NBA, and watching the documentary at this point is a bit depressing when you have that in mind. All in all, very well-put-together and interesting, and I'd definitely recommend it.
Down to the Bone - Raw indie movie about a woman with drug addiction. Not shocking in the Requiem for a Dream way--seemed more real, and even more depressing, than that. Good movie, great performances, worth seeing but not a knockout.
Strange Days - Probably would have liked this better if I had watched it in one sitting instead over the course of a week. Still, though I'm no sci-fi fan generally, I enjoyed this. Angela Basset is bad ###, and Ralph Fiennes and Juliette Lewis were very good. It kept my interest and was interesting and exciting. The only thing I hated was the Hollywood ending.
Return of the Secaucus 7 - Wow, I'm a huge John Sayles fan but this was pretty much unwatchable for me. It was a predecessor of, and obviously must have informed, The Big Chill, but worse and does not hold up well (very dated). The worst part was taking one of my favorite actors, Davis Straitharn, and encouraging a shrill and almost comical performance. I didn't even make it through the whole movie.
Winter Solstice - Would not be loved by many people here. Nothing happens. I liked it a lot, though--it's a great portrait of a moment in time for a family (father and two teenage sons) that had lost its wife/mother. Great performances; very quiet and subtle but powerful movie.
Through the Fire - Documentary following Sebastian Telfair through his senior year of high school, deciding between college and the NBA. This was no "Hoop Dreams", but I thought it was very good. Wish I didn't know that Telfair has since become a thug...in the documentary he was a smart, cool kid, with a very strong family support system that seemed sure to keep him out of trouble. Something obviously happened when he made it to the NBA, and watching the documentary at this point is a bit depressing when you have that in mind. All in all, very well-put-together and interesting, and I'd definitely recommend it.
Down to the Bone - Raw indie movie about a woman with drug addiction. Not shocking in the Requiem for a Dream way--seemed more real, and even more depressing, than that. Good movie, great performances, worth seeing but not a knockout.
El Floppo
Footballguy
A couple of weeks worth to catch up on. El Floppo, please ignore and go watch whatever your wife rented for you.
Strange Days - Probably would have liked this better if I had watched it in one sitting instead over the course of a week. Still, though I'm no sci-fi fan generally, I enjoyed this. Angela Basset is bad ###, and Ralph Fiennes and Juliette Lewis were very good. It kept my interest and was interesting and exciting. The only thing I hated was the Hollywood ending.
Return of the Secaucus 7 - Wow, I'm a huge John Sayles fan but this was pretty much unwatchable for me. It was a predecessor of, and obviously must have informed, The Big Chill, but worse and does not hold up well (very dated). The worst part was taking one of my favorite actors, Davis Straitharn, and encouraging a shrill and almost comical performance. I didn't even make it through the whole movie.
Winter Solstice - Would not be loved by many people here. Nothing happens. I liked it a lot, though--it's a great portrait of a moment in time for a family (father and two teenage sons) that had lost its wife/mother. Great performances; very quiet and subtle but powerful movie.
Through the Fire - Documentary following Sebastian Telfair through his senior year of high school, deciding between college and the NBA. This was no "Hoop Dreams", but I thought it was very good. Wish I didn't know that Telfair has since become a thug...in the documentary he was a smart, cool kid, with a very strong family support system that seemed sure to keep him out of trouble. Something obviously happened when he made it to the NBA, and watching the documentary at this point is a bit depressing when you have that in mind. All in all, very well-put-together and interesting, and I'd definitely recommend it.
Down to the Bone - Raw indie movie about a woman with drug addiction. Not shocking in the Requiem for a Dream way--seemed more real, and even more depressing, than that. Good movie, great performances, worth seeing but not a knockout.
It was Elizabeth. (she's gearing up for Elizabeth 2 Electric Boogaloo). With Wonder Woman, season 1 on the backburner. 
But we just received Stranger Than Paradise at least, which I haven't seen since seeing it in the theaters. Only things I remember are John Lurie, Screamin' Jay Hawkins' music and really, really long fixed camera scenes.
eta: only ones off your list I've seen are Strange Days and the Telfair thing- agree with you 100% about both, especially the latter. Strange Days seemed too much like that Wim Wenders movie... ? ... about recorded memories.
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krista4
Footballguy
A couple of weeks worth to catch up on. El Floppo, please ignore and go watch whatever your wife rented for you.
Strange Days - Probably would have liked this better if I had watched it in one sitting instead over the course of a week. Still, though I'm no sci-fi fan generally, I enjoyed this. Angela Basset is bad ###, and Ralph Fiennes and Juliette Lewis were very good. It kept my interest and was interesting and exciting. The only thing I hated was the Hollywood ending.
Return of the Secaucus 7 - Wow, I'm a huge John Sayles fan but this was pretty much unwatchable for me. It was a predecessor of, and obviously must have informed, The Big Chill, but worse and does not hold up well (very dated). The worst part was taking one of my favorite actors, Davis Straitharn, and encouraging a shrill and almost comical performance. I didn't even make it through the whole movie.
Winter Solstice - Would not be loved by many people here. Nothing happens. I liked it a lot, though--it's a great portrait of a moment in time for a family (father and two teenage sons) that had lost its wife/mother. Great performances; very quiet and subtle but powerful movie.
Through the Fire - Documentary following Sebastian Telfair through his senior year of high school, deciding between college and the NBA. This was no "Hoop Dreams", but I thought it was very good. Wish I didn't know that Telfair has since become a thug...in the documentary he was a smart, cool kid, with a very strong family support system that seemed sure to keep him out of trouble. Something obviously happened when he made it to the NBA, and watching the documentary at this point is a bit depressing when you have that in mind. All in all, very well-put-together and interesting, and I'd definitely recommend it.
Down to the Bone - Raw indie movie about a woman with drug addiction. Not shocking in the Requiem for a Dream way--seemed more real, and even more depressing, than that. Good movie, great performances, worth seeing but not a knockout.It was Elizabeth.
(she's gearing up for Elizabeth 2 Electric Boogaloo). With Wonder Woman, season 1 on the backburner.
But we just received Stranger Than Paradise at least, which I haven't seen since seeing it in the theaters. Only things I remember are John Lurie, Screamin' Jay Hawkins' music and really, really long fixed camera scenes.
eta: only ones off your list I've seen are Strange Days and the Telfair thing- agree with you 100% about both, especially the latter. Strange Days seemed too much like that Wim Wenders movie... ? ... about recorded memories.
Well, Elizabeth was very good.I read a couple of weeks ago that there was a new Criterion Collection version of Stranger Than Paradise, and I meant to post in this thread but don't remember if I did. Love, love, love that movie...and almost any other Jarmusch. 
jdoggydogg
Footballguy
Either way, the second half was not funny at all.Funny- I found the stoner roomies tiresome and cliche, and the sister funny.Still, for me, the fatal flaw of the movie was (besides not being funny enough) that it didn't really touch enough on the HUGE disparity between the fat slob guy hooking up with the uber-hot succesful gal. Mebbe that book "The Game" has become so commonplace, it's understood that fat out-of-work slobs can hook up with anybody they want as long as they throw some Negs or whatever.
facook
Footballguy
1408 - Had high hopes, due to enjoying the King short story and being a fan of Cusack. Was pretty disappointed...Just seemed disjointed to me.
Lives of Others - Rented due to hype in this thread, and thought it was worth it. Very good movie, well acted, and for the most part the "feel" of DRG was conveyed to me. Only minor complaint was that it seemed to drag just a bit toward the end. Otherwise, big thumbs up.
Lives of Others - Rented due to hype in this thread, and thought it was worth it. Very good movie, well acted, and for the most part the "feel" of DRG was conveyed to me. Only minor complaint was that it seemed to drag just a bit toward the end. Otherwise, big thumbs up.
Tremendous Upside
Footballguy
Still playing at Cinema Village, E 12th and BroadwayWell... Once is no longer playing at the theater down the street.
El Floppo
Footballguy
Still playing at Cinema Village, E 12th and Broadway UniversityWell... Once is no longer playing at the theater down the street.Looks like I'll just have to wait until it comes out on video.
Too far away. I need a 3 block radius.
General Malaise
Footballguy
Knocked Up.
Holy crap was that funny.
Holy crap was that funny.
Tremendous Upside
Footballguy
Jump in a cab...You'll be there in 5 minutes....El Floppo said:Tremendous Upside said:Still playing at Cinema Village, E 12th and Broadway UniversityEl Floppo said:Well... Once is no longer playing at the theater down the street.Too far away. I need a 3 block radius.
El Floppo
Footballguy
3 block radius gadgnammit!Jump in a cab...You'll be there in 5 minutes....El Floppo said:Tremendous Upside said:Still playing at Cinema Village, E 12th and Broadway UniversityEl Floppo said:Well... Once is no longer playing at the theater down the street.
Norman Einstein
Footballguy
Dec. 18thWell... Once is no longer playing at the theater down the street.Looks like I'll just have to wait until it comes out on video.
Tremendous Upside
Footballguy
sissy3 block radius gadgnammit!Jump in a cab...You'll be there in 5 minutes....Still playing at Cinema Village, E 12th and Broadway UniversityWell... Once is no longer playing at the theater down the street.Too far away. I need a 3 block radius.
El Floppo
Footballguy
You. are. hating. it.But I feel your pain- just suffered through a few wife-picked losers myself.Misfit said:Ugh. I remember seeing the preview for this in the movie and thinking to myself "Oh my, who on earth would want to see that steamy pile?" Then the wife says, "OOhhh that looks like a good movie"I was browsing our Netflix, and saw Wild Hogs sitting there, and I tried to delete it, and she caught me and yelled, so now it is queued to be next in line, amongst Rumor Has It, Idiocracy, Smokin Aces, License to Wed, and You Me and Dupree....... :X
Nathan R. Jessep
Footballguy
friends loaned us Wild Hogs (a rental) this weekend... certainly not GREAT, but I have seen FAR worse flicks. There were a few laughs to be found in it, and as a fan of Martin Lawrence, I enjoyed his shtick in this one as well. And Marisa Tomei was looking mighty fine as wellYou. are. hating. it.But I feel your pain- just suffered through a few wife-picked losers myself.Ugh. I remember seeing the preview for this in the movie and thinking to myself "Oh my, who on earth would want to see that steamy pile?" Then the wife says, "OOhhh that looks like a good movie"I was browsing our Netflix, and saw Wild Hogs sitting there, and I tried to delete it, and she caught me and yelled, so now it is queued to be next in line, amongst Rumor Has It, Idiocracy, Smokin Aces, License to Wed, and You Me and Dupree.......
jdoggydogg
Footballguy
Fixed.JEB said:friends ex-friends loaned us Wild Hogs (a rental) this weekend... certainly not GREAT, but I have seen FAR worse flicks. There were a few laughs to be found in it, and as a fan of Martin Lawrence, I enjoyed his shtick in this one as well. And Marisa Tomei was looking mighty fine as well
Statorama
Footballguy
28 Weeks Later
I'm a fan of the move in zombie films of having the zombies be really fast. I dig the vibe that they do what they do out of rage, which fuels them into violent outbursts. This movie sucked real bad though. If there's some kind of movie goers poll about which two kids in a zombie movie you hope meet very violent deaths, these two would secure 100% of the vote. I get the fact that most of the tension in horror movies is driven by poor choices of the leads. I have no problem there. But come on...these two are so absurdly ignorant that they helped fuel a violent rage in me! I can only take so many "OH COME ON" moments in a film. Even a horror film.
The things it does right, it does them very well. But the good parts are overshadowed by the bad parts in a big way.
edit: Rose Byrne - Hot
I'm a fan of the move in zombie films of having the zombies be really fast. I dig the vibe that they do what they do out of rage, which fuels them into violent outbursts. This movie sucked real bad though. If there's some kind of movie goers poll about which two kids in a zombie movie you hope meet very violent deaths, these two would secure 100% of the vote. I get the fact that most of the tension in horror movies is driven by poor choices of the leads. I have no problem there. But come on...these two are so absurdly ignorant that they helped fuel a violent rage in me! I can only take so many "OH COME ON" moments in a film. Even a horror film.
The things it does right, it does them very well. But the good parts are overshadowed by the bad parts in a big way.
edit: Rose Byrne - Hot
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jdoggydogg
Footballguy
The TV Set
This was pretty entertaining. A look at how network TV sucks the life out of a new series. Sigourney Weaver plays the shallow TV exec, David Duchovney plays the frustrated series writer/creater. Not a ton of laughs, but I am thinking this is a disturbingly accurate look at the heartless beast that is network TV.
This was pretty entertaining. A look at how network TV sucks the life out of a new series. Sigourney Weaver plays the shallow TV exec, David Duchovney plays the frustrated series writer/creater. Not a ton of laughs, but I am thinking this is a disturbingly accurate look at the heartless beast that is network TV.
Tremendous Upside
Footballguy
Saw the newly restored Blade Runner at the Ziegfeld Theater here in NYC...
Awesome picture and audio, really top notch...
Vangelis's score really sounded great and further enhanced the film, IMO...
Awesome picture and audio, really top notch...
Vangelis's score really sounded great and further enhanced the film, IMO...
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
I can't wait. The Blu-Ray DVD coming out is going to have FIVE different versions of the film.Saw the newly restored Blade Runner at the Ziegfeld Theater here in NYC...
"It's too bad she won't live. But then again, who does?"
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Tremendous Upside
Footballguy
Yeah, it's one of my favorite films, and the audio/video was stunning at the Ziegfeld...I can't wait. The Blu-Ray DVD coming out is going to have FIVE different versions of the film.Saw the newly restored Blade Runner at the Ziegfeld Theater here in NYC...
Steelnation
Footballguy
Deathproof
What a waste of 2 hours....
What a waste of 2 hours....
Statorama
Footballguy
Rosario Dawson must be one hell of an audition. She continues to get miscast as the "Hottie" when there are soooooooo many better choices out there.DeathproofWhat a waste of 2 hours....
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Nathan R. Jessep
Footballguy
Fixed.JEB said:friends ex-friends loaned us Wild Hogs (a rental) this weekend... certainly not GREAT, but I have seen FAR worse flicks. There were a few laughs to be found in it, and as a fan of Martin Lawrence, I enjoyed his shtick in this one as well. And Marisa Tomei was looking mighty fine as well
but, hey, at least I didn't PAY for it!
jdoggydogg
Footballguy
Oh you paid - with your soulFixed.JEB said:friends ex-friends loaned us Wild Hogs (a rental) this weekend... certainly not GREAT, but I have seen FAR worse flicks. There were a few laughs to be found in it, and as a fan of Martin Lawrence, I enjoyed his shtick in this one as well. And Marisa Tomei was looking mighty fine as well
El Floppo
Footballguy
Oh you paid - with your soulFixed.JEB said:friends ex-friends loaned us Wild Hogs (a rental) this weekend... certainly not GREAT, but I have seen FAR worse flicks. There were a few laughs to be found in it, and as a fan of Martin Lawrence, I enjoyed his shtick in this one as well. And Marisa Tomei was looking mighty fine as well
El Floppo
Footballguy
Yeah, it's one of my favorite films, and the audio/video was stunning at the Ziegfeld...I can't wait. The Blu-Ray DVD coming out is going to have FIVE different versions of the film.Saw the newly restored Blade Runner at the Ziegfeld Theater here in NYC...
Cripes... we're in th middle of October already?! Going to have to figure out how to catch this at the Ziegfeld... 3-block radius be damned! (shut it, Krista!) Has been one of my top 3 movies since KI first saw it- and was lucky to catch the Director's cut in SF when it came out. I love this movie and can't wait to see it with all the bells and whistles the Zig provides... wait- is this a limited run?
Tremendous Upside
Footballguy
Yup...Only through this Thursday, the 18th...It was spectacular...Leave the little one with the missus and sneak up there for an afternoon show one day this week...Well worth itYeah, it's one of my favorite films, and the audio/video was stunning at the Ziegfeld...I can't wait. The Blu-Ray DVD coming out is going to have FIVE different versions of the film.Saw the newly restored Blade Runner at the Ziegfeld Theater here in NYC...Awesome picture and audio, really top notch...Vangelis's score really sounded great and further enhanced the film, IMO...
Cripes... we're in th middle of October already?! Going to have to figure out how to catch this at the Ziegfeld...
jdoggydogg
Footballguy
Just adding to the love for Blade Runner. One of the best-looking films ever made. And Rutger Hauer's speech at the end is as powerful as it gets.
krista4
Footballguy
:bookingflight: But I don't think you want me babysitting. :(
Sweet J
Footballguy
Totally agree with you. She must have taken lessons from the grand wizardess of this concept. She completely confused my 12 year old brain and almost ruined a near perfect movie. ("I wonder why the men are acting funny around her? Wait, is she supposed to be hot? Why is a not-hot person acting where a hot person is supposed to??").Bonus points if you know exactly what movie and actress I am talking about before clicking.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
I think this movie is about 10 different kinds of awesome. If James Horner (who I really liked in the late 80's/early 90's) had done anything creative with the script instead of plagiarizing himself note for note from his Braveheart score, I'd have been tempted to give it my ultra elusive 10/10 rating.Saintfool, I don't get the type of criticism where someone rates the movie on what they wish it would have been rather than what it is. I think the movie says a lot, but it's hidden within the chasing. Not that the chasing is bad. In fact, I think it's outstanding. If you want to see a show that "reveals the world of the Maya", wouldn't a Discovery channel documentary be better viewing?
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Tremendous Upside
Footballguy
"I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die."
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
I'm warming to Ridley Scott's idea that Deckard is a replicant. (Maybe this needs its own thread).Maybe Deckard at one time WAS a human Blade Runner. Perhaps something happened to him and they imprinted his memories on an android because they needed him. The easiest clue is, of course, the origami unicorn left by Gaff. But this exchange of dialogue takes on new weight if you believe Deckard is a replicant
eckard: She's a replicant, isn't she? Tyrell: I'm impressed. How many questions does it usually take to spot them? Deckard: I don't get it Tyrell. Tyrell: How many questions? Deckard: Twenty, thirty, cross-referenced. Tyrell: It took more than a hundred for Rachael, didn't it? Deckard: She doesn't know. Tyrell: She's beginning to suspect, I think. Deckard: Suspect? How can it not know what it is?
Tremendous Upside
Footballguy
There is a LOT of content in the film that could suggest that Deckard is a replicant...But it is certainly not textually explicit...Personally, I like the fact that it is hinted at but never fully concluded...It's a wonderful meditation on life and humanity...Andy Dufresne said:I'm warming to Ridley Scott's idea that Deckard is a replicant. (Maybe this needs its own thread).Maybe Deckard at one time WAS a human Blade Runner. Perhaps something happened to him and they imprinted his memories on an android because they needed him. The easiest clue is, of course, the origami unicorn left by Gaff. But this exchange of dialogue takes on new weight if you believe Deckard is a replicantTremendous Upside said:jdoggydogg said:"I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die."
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Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Absolutely. But at first I thought it ridiculous that Deckard could be a replicant. What's the point of the movie if a human isn't taught humanity by a machine? But then I looked at it from the perspective of the movie asking the audience what it means to be human. You know Batty et. al. are replicants because you're told they are. But if Deckard's humanity is questionable, you're left to ask yourself if it really matters. Is humanity flesh and blood or is it ethics and behavior?There is a LOT of content in the film that could suggest that Deckard is a replicant...But it is certainly not textually explicit...Andy Dufresne said:I'm warming to Ridley Scott's idea that Deckard is a replicant. (Maybe this needs its own thread).Maybe Deckard at one time WAS a human Blade Runner. Perhaps something happened to him and they imprinted his memories on an android because they needed him. The easiest clue is, of course, the origami unicorn left by Gaff. But this exchange of dialogue takes on new weight if you believe Deckard is a replicant:Tremendous Upside said:jdoggydogg said:"I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die."
Deckard: She's a replicant, isn't she?
Tyrell: I'm impressed. How many questions does it usually take to spot them?
Deckard: I don't get it Tyrell.
Tyrell: How many questions?
Deckard: Twenty, thirty, cross-referenced.
Tyrell: It took more than a hundred for Rachael, didn't it?
Deckard: She doesn't know.
Tyrell: She's beginning to suspect, I think.
Deckard: Suspect? How can it not know what it is?
Personally, I like the fact that it is hinted at but never fully concluded...
It's a wonderful meditation on life and humanity...
Tremendous Upside
Footballguy
I also love the lack of narration in the Director's Cut/Final Cut...99 times out of 100 narration is unnecessary or an exercise in lazy storytelling...Absolutely. But at first I thought it ridiculous that Deckard could be a replicant. What's the point of the movie if a human isn't taught humanity by a machine? But then I looked at it from the perspective of the movie asking the audience what it means to be human. You know Batty et. al. are replicants because you're told they are. But if Deckard's humanity is questionable, you're left to ask yourself if it really matters. Is humanity flesh and blood or is it ethics and behavior?There is a LOT of content in the film that could suggest that Deckard is a replicant...But it is certainly not textually explicit...Andy Dufresne said:I'm warming to Ridley Scott's idea that Deckard is a replicant. (Maybe this needs its own thread).Maybe Deckard at one time WAS a human Blade Runner. Perhaps something happened to him and they imprinted his memories on an android because they needed him. The easiest clue is, of course, the origami unicorn left by Gaff. But this exchange of dialogue takes on new weight if you believe Deckard is a replicant:Tremendous Upside said:jdoggydogg said:
Deckard: She's a replicant, isn't she?
Tyrell: I'm impressed. How many questions does it usually take to spot them?
Deckard: I don't get it Tyrell.
Tyrell: How many questions?
Deckard: Twenty, thirty, cross-referenced.
Tyrell: It took more than a hundred for Rachael, didn't it?
Deckard: She doesn't know.
Tyrell: She's beginning to suspect, I think.
Deckard: Suspect? How can it not know what it is?
Personally, I like the fact that it is hinted at but never fully concluded...
It's a wonderful meditation on life and humanity...
El Floppo
Footballguy
This is some great commentary by both you guys.I also love the lack of narration in the Director's Cut/Final Cut...99 times out of 100 narration is unnecessary or an exercise in lazy storytelling...Absolutely. But at first I thought it ridiculous that Deckard could be a replicant. What's the point of the movie if a human isn't taught humanity by a machine? But then I looked at it from the perspective of the movie asking the audience what it means to be human. You know Batty et. al. are replicants because you're told they are. But if Deckard's humanity is questionable, you're left to ask yourself if it really matters. Is humanity flesh and blood or is it ethics and behavior?There is a LOT of content in the film that could suggest that Deckard is a replicant...But it is certainly not textually explicit...Andy Dufresne said:I'm warming to Ridley Scott's idea that Deckard is a replicant. (Maybe this needs its own thread).Maybe Deckard at one time WAS a human Blade Runner. Perhaps something happened to him and they imprinted his memories on an android because they needed him. The easiest clue is, of course, the origami unicorn left by Gaff. But this exchange of dialogue takes on new weight if you believe Deckard is a replicant:Tremendous Upside said:jdoggydogg said:
Deckard: She's a replicant, isn't she?
Tyrell: I'm impressed. How many questions does it usually take to spot them?
Deckard: I don't get it Tyrell.
Tyrell: How many questions?
Deckard: Twenty, thirty, cross-referenced.
Tyrell: It took more than a hundred for Rachael, didn't it?
Deckard: She doesn't know.
Tyrell: She's beginning to suspect, I think.
Deckard: Suspect? How can it not know what it is?
Personally, I like the fact that it is hinted at but never fully concluded...
It's a wonderful meditation on life and humanity...
Removing the voice over changed the movie for the WAY better- no pat interior monologue to wrap things up all neat and sanitized for US consumption. Ambiguity- moral or narrative is something far too lacking in US film. It's as if Hollywood is so cynical, they refuse to believe that the US customer can possibly figure things out for ourselves unless it's jammed down our throats.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Unfortunately, they're usually right about that.This is some great commentary by both you guys.I also love the lack of narration in the Director's Cut/Final Cut...99 times out of 100 narration is unnecessary or an exercise in lazy storytelling...Absolutely. But at first I thought it ridiculous that Deckard could be a replicant. What's the point of the movie if a human isn't taught humanity by a machine? But then I looked at it from the perspective of the movie asking the audience what it means to be human. You know Batty et. al. are replicants because you're told they are. But if Deckard's humanity is questionable, you're left to ask yourself if it really matters. Is humanity flesh and blood or is it ethics and behavior?There is a LOT of content in the film that could suggest that Deckard is a replicant...But it is certainly not textually explicit...Andy Dufresne said:I'm warming to Ridley Scott's idea that Deckard is a replicant. (Maybe this needs its own thread).Maybe Deckard at one time WAS a human Blade Runner. Perhaps something happened to him and they imprinted his memories on an android because they needed him. The easiest clue is, of course, the origami unicorn left by Gaff. But this exchange of dialogue takes on new weight if you believe Deckard is a replicant:Tremendous Upside said:jdoggydogg said:
Deckard: She's a replicant, isn't she?
Tyrell: I'm impressed. How many questions does it usually take to spot them?
Deckard: I don't get it Tyrell.
Tyrell: How many questions?
Deckard: Twenty, thirty, cross-referenced.
Tyrell: It took more than a hundred for Rachael, didn't it?
Deckard: She doesn't know.
Tyrell: She's beginning to suspect, I think.
Deckard: Suspect? How can it not know what it is?
Personally, I like the fact that it is hinted at but never fully concluded...
It's a wonderful meditation on life and humanity...It's as if Hollywood is so cynical, they refuse to believe that the US customer can possibly figure things out for ourselves unless it's jammed down our throats.
Bob Magaw
Footballguy
speaking of ridley scott (can't wait to get blade runner & kubrick box sets on HD coming soon), just saw the duellists, an obscure film that was his first feature...
similar to barry lyndon by kubrick as a historical piece... true story about duellists that cross paths many times over the years, with keith carradine & harvey keitel as a psycho, early 1800s, napoleonic war style... think deniro in mean streets or taxi driver, but with swords...
well done... spectacular scenery & cinematography...
also, just saw serenity... never saw the series firefly it was based on, but the plot was self-contained & encapsulated enough that it was enjoyable in its own right... a satisfying sci-fi, action genre movie...
similar to barry lyndon by kubrick as a historical piece... true story about duellists that cross paths many times over the years, with keith carradine & harvey keitel as a psycho, early 1800s, napoleonic war style... think deniro in mean streets or taxi driver, but with swords...
well done... spectacular scenery & cinematography...
also, just saw serenity... never saw the series firefly it was based on, but the plot was self-contained & encapsulated enough that it was enjoyable in its own right... a satisfying sci-fi, action genre movie...
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
I had the Duellists arrive from the BB queue a couple months back but never watched it. May have to revisit.speaking of ridley scott (can't wait to get blade runner & kubrick box sets on HD coming soon), just saw the duellists, an obscure film that was his first feature...similar to barry lyndon by kubrick as a historical piece... true story about duellists that cross paths many times over the years, with keith carradine & harvey keitel as a psycho, early 1800s, napoleonic war style... think deniro in mean streets or taxi driver, but with swords...well done... spectacular scenery & cinematography...also, just saw serenity... never saw the series firefly it was based on, but the plot was self-contained & encapsulated enough that it was enjoyable in its own right... a satisfying sci-fi, action genre movie...
saintfool
Dead sexy
it's decent but not much to it, honestly. i thought it horribly miscast but whatever. it's based on a conrad short story.watched what might be the worst, weirdest and most pointless movie that has been made in recent years...."the wickerman"whoa.I had the Duellists arrive from the BB queue a couple months back but never watched it. May have to revisit.speaking of ridley scott (can't wait to get blade runner & kubrick box sets on HD coming soon), just saw the duellists, an obscure film that was his first feature...similar to barry lyndon by kubrick as a historical piece... true story about duellists that cross paths many times over the years, with keith carradine & harvey keitel as a psycho, early 1800s, napoleonic war style... think deniro in mean streets or taxi driver, but with swords...well done... spectacular scenery & cinematography...also, just saw serenity... never saw the series firefly it was based on, but the plot was self-contained & encapsulated enough that it was enjoyable in its own right... a satisfying sci-fi, action genre movie...
jdoggydogg
Footballguy
Yeah. Free on HBO. I didn't even bother to TiVo that drek.it's decent but not much to it, honestly. i thought it horribly miscast but whatever. it's based on a conrad short story.watched what might be the worst, weirdest and most pointless movie that has been made in recent years....I had the Duellists arrive from the BB queue a couple months back but never watched it. May have to revisit.speaking of ridley scott (can't wait to get blade runner & kubrick box sets on HD coming soon), just saw the duellists, an obscure film that was his first feature...
similar to barry lyndon by kubrick as a historical piece... true story about duellists that cross paths many times over the years, with keith carradine & harvey keitel as a psycho, early 1800s, napoleonic war style... think deniro in mean streets or taxi driver, but with swords...
well done... spectacular scenery & cinematography...
also, just saw serenity... never saw the series firefly it was based on, but the plot was self-contained & encapsulated enough that it was enjoyable in its own right... a satisfying sci-fi, action genre movie...
"the wickerman"
whoa.
