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Loved this one.  Have that little girl done more since then?  She was astonishing.




Kinda had a feeling you'd like it.

She looks like she's been pretty busy since then.

The dialogue with the kids and the adults and between the kids themselves was so true and perfect.

 
Watched this absolute gem yesterday:

The Florida Project

Only big name in it is Willem Dafoe (his best performance ever imo)

Can't get it out of my head.

Certainly a top 5 favorite of all time  indie film for me

Read up on it on Wiki.....great backstory how it was all put together

On Netflix
Love it and I know Wikkid is also a fan. Check out Sean Baker’s prior film, Tangerine. It’s also excellent. He has a movie slowly hitting theaters now called Red Rocket that’s getting very strong reviews. 

 
Love it and I know Wikkid is also a fan. Check out Sean Baker’s prior film, Tangerine. It’s also excellent. He has a movie slowly hitting theaters now called Red Rocket that’s getting very strong reviews. 


Watched Tangerine this AM.

Was very, very good as well.

 
I don't think it's a coincidence that No Country is my favorite of them, since I assume it's one of the few of theirs that is from a source material.    Then it would be Fargo, Blood Simple, Miller's Crossing.   
Blood Simple is still my favorite Coen brothers movie. Audience knows what's happening the whole time, and not one character in the movie ever does.

 
20. One, Two, Three (1961)- This is the last great Billy Wilder movie that I had yet to see. It's his follow up to The Apartment and is probably his second most screwball movie after Some Like It Hot. Late stage Cagney delivers a charged performance as a Coca-A-Cola executive in post War Germany who finds himself in trouble when his boss' daughter marries a Communist. Loaded with Cold War comedy, it still crackles but does require some decent knowledge of world politics at the time. Stand outs: Billy Wilder is the greatest writer-director of all time and it's not close IMO.  Even with age, Cagney never loses his fastball. 
Just watched it, and loved it. Big Wilder fan and somehow never saw this over the years. 

🤣 From wikipedia -

Cagney:

"I got riled at S.Z. Sakall ... in Yankee Doodle Dandy for trying to steal a scene, but he was an incorrigible old ham who was quietly and respectfully put in his place by Michael Curtiz. No harm in the old boy. But this Horst Buchholz character I truly loathed. Had he kept on with his little scene-stealing didoes, I would have been forced to knock him on his ###, which I would have very much enjoyed doing."

 
Watched this absolute gem yesterday:

The Florida Project

Only big name in it is Willem Dafoe (his best performance ever imo)

Can't get it out of my head.

Certainly a top 5 favorite of all time  indie film for me

Read up on it on Wiki.....great backstory how it was all put together

On Netflix
Real people acting in it too. Movie broke my heart. 

 
15-11

15. To Live and Die in LA (1985)-  An absolute boiler of an 80s noir movie about a Secret Services agent hunting a violent counterfeiter.  William Friedkin is more famous for his 70s cop movie French Connection but I prefer this. It's got a great balance of grittiness and slick 80s production. Despite some gloss, this movie pulls no punches. Standouts: a very young Willem Dafoe as the the villain and a super cool Wang Chung score. 

14. First Cow (2019)- A very peculiar Western. Gorgeously shot in the wilderness, we follow two loners who forge a friendship as they try to survive on the edge of civilization in the Oregon Territory. It's a very simple story and not the typical story we get when we think of early settlers pushing America towards the manifest destiny. So much drama is pulled from seemingly insignificant circumstances. Makes one think about all the people, relationships and stories lost to time, what little we leave behind but the land itself. The scene of the title cow going down the river is probably my favorite shot I saw all year.  Standouts: John Magaro and Orion Lee, two actors I am unfamiliar with, carry this movie by carving out a truly beautiful friendship. 

13. Heathers (1989)- I am way too late to this. Instantly quotable and truly laugh out loud. The way the writer and director handle the tone of violence, comedy and drama is a true  high wire act. Hard to believe neither the writer or director would ever make another movie of real significance. This movie gives the impression that one or both of them are real masters. Standouts: The dialogue:

Our love is God. Let’s go get a Slushie.

I LOVE MY DEAD, GAY SON!

This isn’t just a spoke in my menstrual cycle.

12. Happy Together (1997)- This is not the only  Wong Kar Wai move that will appear on the countdown. I got his new Criterion box set after only having seen In the Mood For Love. It was a bit of a risk but In the Mood For Love was that good. Unlike with Heathers, this proved to be a case where the director was a true master and no one-off. I really liked every movie in the box set but Happy Together stood out against most. Two down and out gay lovers travel to Argentina looking for a new start. Instead, the new life and location pulls them even further apart. Standouts: WKW and cinematographer Danny Boyle have such a distinct visual style that manages to make everything feel like an MTV music video or fashion commercial and yet I somehow mean that as a high compliment and not an insult. The coolest of cool. 

11. Promising Young Woman (2020)-  This movie produced a lot of "takes". I have seen "oh god some #metoo men bashing cash in rape revenge movie" and "rape is bad: the movie". Direct those to the trash can. Just because a movie is critical of male behavior or addresses sexual assault, it doesn't mean we can reduce it down to some buzz word. This movie is fun, funny, dark, disturbing and probably not what people expect. It touches on things I can't recall being addressed in something so mainstream. I can honestly say it made me feel uncomfortable and it should make a lot of people feel uncomfortable. That's powerful art and it is packaged so sleekly. Standouts: Carey Mulligan is a force in this. Also the casting of the men in this move is genius. The way it taps into our preconceived notions of the actors based on their previous work adds so much to the movie without it having to do an inch of exposition. 

 
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11. Promising Young Woman (2020)-  This movie produced a lot of "takes". I have seen "oh god some #metoo men bashing cash in rape revenge movie" and "rape is bad: the movie". Direct those to the trash can. Just because a movie is critical of male behavior or addresses sexual assault, it doesn't mean we can reduce it down to some buzz word. This movie is fun, funny, dark, disturbing and probably not what people expect. It touches on things I can't recall being addressed in something so mainstream. I can honestly say it made me feel uncomfortable and it should make a lot of people feel uncomfortable. That's powerful art and it is packaged so sleekly. Stand outs: Carey Mulligan is a force in this. Also the casting of the men in this move is genius. The way it taps into our preconceived notions of the actors based on their previous work adds so much to the movie without it having to do an inch of exposition. 
well said.

over the years, i have developed skills at making traffic jackholes suffer just enough that they might reconsider their tailgating, highbeaming and other road-miscreant ways. i still do it as often as i can, though i'm no longer imposing-looking enough to instill fear when needed.

when i realized what Mulligan's character was doing to barroom sexgulls in PYW, i respected it along those lines. what broke my heart was that it had consumed her life. the tremendous flatness of the first half's pace and Mulligan's performance within her self-stultifying lifestyle made me harken back to what made my Mary (molested child, teen sexworker) maddest about fellow victims - them letting abusers win again&again&again by letting their trauma bleed thru every aspect of their life. while my wife suffered mightily and became a horrible loadie trying to quell the flashbacks, she was very prideful about the course of her life not reflecting what she'd endured to any but her closest intimates. Though she could not abuseproof her heart, she successfully abuseproofed her life by dedicating it to, as a psych nurse, making differents feel normal without ever betraying her secrets while doing so.

I could see Mary doing what this character did in the first half though and it made this flikkashow resonate like few have lately. beautifully & thoughtfully measured film.

 
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10. The Last Command (1928)- The only silent movie on my list and by far the oldest. The late stage silent films were so limber and capable of epic scale. Josef Von Sternberg was at the peak of the form in 1927-28 but when talking came in and brought with them numerous filming limitations, his gifts were neutered. He is working at his full powers here telling a story of a powerful Czarist Russian general clinging to his power and honor during the Revolution. It's cleverly framed as a flashback from the now former imperialist who is reduced to a broke homeless bum in America seeking out a role as an extra in a Hollywood movie about the Russian Revolution. It's both a grand historic piece and a kind of precursor to psychological noirs. Standouts: I've never seen Emil Jannings be anything but incredible on the screen. This is the performance of a lifetime. It's also interesting to see a young William Powell. 

9. The Father (2020)- Speaking of performances of a lifetime, how about Anthony Hopkins here? I hate his Oscar win got overshadowed by the controversy around the Oscars blundered timing and Boseman's untimely death. Hopkins was every bit as good here as he was 30 years ago in Silence of the Lambs. When I was young, I watched my grandmother fall apart with Alzheimers. My parents are still quite sharp but my MIL has definitely declined. My best friend's dad, who reminds me quite a bit of Hopkins here, is also starting to show some signs of dementia. Given all of this, the movie completely rattled me to my core. Heartbreaking. Stand out: Obviously Hopkins as stated but I wanted to give some credit to Florian Zeller. He's a first time filmmaker and he managed to nail a rather a complex movie that places the viewer in the mind of someone who is mentally deteriorating in such an affective way. 

8. Ran (1985)- For a 75 year old director who had only made 2 movies in the last 15 years to make a movie of this scale is just bonkers. Kurosawa absolutely gets on the director Mt. Rushmore. A Samurai film that lays waste to man and his lust for power. Standouts: Kurosawa goes without saying. We also have to credit Shakespeare. The movie is based on King Lear. Incredible that something written 400 years ago in Elizabethan England can translate to medieval Japan and 2020 America. Also respect has to be paid to the people who recently restored the film. It is a gorgeous restoration. I tried to watch the movie a few years ago and I stopped because it looked like garbage. Trailer for the re-release around the brand new restoration.

7. Beau Travail (1999)- You ever watch a movie and then when it is over, you can't stop thinking about it? I watched this months ago and the end of the movie is still bouncing around in my head. I had found the movie hypnotic and erotic but the ending is what really floored me. It is the kind of movie that has very little plot. It's a group of French soldiers in East Africa, particularly focused on the veteran officer who lives through regiment and order and a bubbling resentful envy of a new recruit. It is really a movie about emotions and not characters or events. Standouts: Claire Denis’ eye for natural landscapes and the human form, her color palette and pacing. Then the guts to deliver the ending she does. 

6. Another Round (2020)- There is actually a major similarity between the ending of this movie and Beau Travail. I can't give away either, you have to see them both. I can't even really talk about either because I would hate to give away the endings but one could write quite an interesting essay comparing and contrasting them. How they are so much the same but yet deliver the absolute opposite reaction from the audience. Anyway, this movie is quite simple. A group of middle aged teachers find themselves bored with life and decide to conduct an experiment: would life be more exciting, more enriching if they were always just a little drunk? Drinking not as a way to hide from life's problems or unwind on the weekend, but alcohol to revive their passion and open themselves emotionally. No surprise that myself a teacher, approaching middle age  and who enjoys alcohol connected with this so much. Standouts: Mads Mikkelson is an absolute movie star. He is so captivating on screen. Hollywood really has missed out, he's built for leading roles. Trailer for anyone interested

 
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15-11

15. To Live and Die in LA (1985)-  An absolute boiler of an 80s noir movie about a Secret Services agent hunting a violent counterfeiter.  William Friedkin is more famous for his 70s cop movie French Connection but I prefer this. It's got a great balance of grittiness and slick 80s production. Despite some gloss, this movie pulls no punches. Standouts: a very young Willem Dafoe as the the villain and a super cool Wang Chung score. 

14. First Cow (2019)- A very peculiar Western. Gorgeously shot in the wilderness, we follow two loners who forge a friendship as they try to survive on the edge of civilization in the Oregon Territory. It's a very simple story and not the typical story we get when we think of early settlers pushing America towards the manifest destiny. So much drama is pulled from seemingly insignificant circumstances. Makes one think about all the people, relationships and stories lost to time, what little we leave behind but the land itself. The scene of the title cow going down the river is probably my favorite shot I saw all year.  Standouts: John Magaro and Orion Lee, two actors I am unfamiliar with, carry this movie by carving out a truly beautiful friendship. 

13. Heathers (1989)- I am way too late to this. Instantly quotable and truly laugh out loud. The way the writer and director handle the tone of violence, comedy and drama is a true  high wire act. Hard to believe neither the writer or director would ever make another movie of real significance. This movie gives the impression that one or both of them are real masters. Standouts: The dialogue:

Our love is God. Let’s go get a Slushie.

I LOVE MY DEAD, GAY SON!

This isn’t just a spoke in my menstrual cycle.

12. Happy Together (1997)- This is not the only  Wong Kar Wai move that will appear on the countdown. I got his new Criterion box set after only having seen In the Mood For Love. It was a bit of a risk but In the Mood For Love was that good. Unlike with Heathers, this proved to be a case where the director was a true master and no one-off. I really liked every movie in the box set but Happy Together stood out against most. Two down and out gay lovers travel to Argentina looking for a new start. Instead, the new life and location pulls them even further apart. Standouts: WKW and cinematographer Danny Boyle have such a distinct visual style that manages to make everything feel like an MTV music video or fashion commercial and yet I somehow mean that as a high compliment and not an insult. The coolest of cool. 

11. Promising Young Woman (2020)-  This movie produced a lot of "takes". I have seen "oh god some #metoo men bashing cash in rape revenge movie" and "rape is bad: the movie". Direct those to the trash can. Just because a movie is critical of male behavior or addresses sexual assault, it doesn't mean we can reduce it down to some buzz word. This movie is fun, funny, dark, disturbing and probably not what people expect. It touches on things I can't recall being addressed in something so mainstream. I can honestly say it made me feel uncomfortable and it should make a lot of people feel uncomfortable. That's powerful art and it is packaged so sleekly. Standouts: Carey Mulligan is a force in this. Also the casting of the men in this move is genius. The way it taps into our preconceived notions of the actors based on their previous work adds so much to the movie without it having to do an inch of exposition. 
Great list

 
10-6

10. The Last Command (1928)- The only silent movie on my list and by far the oldest. The late stage silent films were so limber and capable of epic scale. Josef Von Sternberg was at the peak of the form in 1927-28 but when talking came in and brought with them numerous filming limitations, his gifts were neutered. He is working at his full powers here telling a story of a powerful Czarist Russian general clinging to his power and honor during the Revolution. It's cleverly framed as a flashback from the now former imperialist who is reduced to a broke homeless bum in America seeking out a role as an extra in a Hollywood movie about the Russian Revolution. It's both a grand historic piece and a kind of precursor to psychological noirs. Standouts: I've never seen Emil Jannings be anything but incredible on the screen. This is the performance of a lifetime. It's also interesting to see a young William Powell. 

9. The Father (2020)- Speaking of performances of a lifetime, how about Anthony Hopkins here? I hate his Oscar win got overshadowed by the controversy around the Oscars blundered timing and Boseman's untimely death. Hopkins was every bit as good here as he was 30 years ago in Silence of the Lambs. When I was young, I watched my grandmother fall apart with Alzheimers. My parents are still quite sharp but my MIL has definitely declined. My best friend's dad, who reminds me quite a bit of Hopkins here, is also starting to show some signs of dementia. Given all of this, the movie completely rattled me to my core. Heartbreaking. Stand out: Obviously Hopkins as stated but I wanted to give some credit to Florian Zeller. He's a first time filmmaker and he managed to nail a rather a complex movie that places the viewer in the mind of someone who is mentally deteriorating in such an affective way. 

8. Ran (1985)- For a 75 year old director who had only made 2 movies in the last 15 years to make a movie of this scale is just bonkers. Kurosawa absolutely gets on the director Mt. Rushmore. A Samurai film that lays waste to man and his lust for power. Standouts: Kurosawa goes without saying. We also have to credit Shakespeare. The movie is based on King Lear. Incredible that something written 400 years ago in Elizabethan England can translate to medieval Japan and 2020 America. Also respect has to be paid to the people who recently restored the film. It is a gorgeous restoration. I tried to watch the movie a few years ago and I stopped because it looked like garbage. Trailer for the re-release around the brand new restoration.

7. Beau Travail (1999)- You ever watch a movie and then when it is over, you can't stop thinking about it? I watched this months ago and the end of the movie is still bouncing around in my head. I had found the movie hypnotic and erotic but the ending is what really floored me. It is the kind of movie that has very little plot. It's a group of French soldiers in East Africa, particularly focused on the veteran officer who lives through regiment and order and a bubbling resentful envy of a new recruit. Really it is really a movie about emotions and not characters or events. Stand outs: Claire Deny's eye for natural landscapes and the human form, her color palette and pacing. Then the guts to deliver the ending she does. 

6. Another Round (2020)- There is actually a major similarity between the ending of this movie and Beau Travail. I can't give away either, you have to see them both. I can't even really talk about either because I would hate to give away the endings but one could write quite an interesting essay comparing and contrasting them. How they are so much the same but yet deliver the absolute opposite reaction from the audience. Anyway, this movie is quite simple. A group of middle aged teachers find themselves bored with life and decide to conduct an experiment: would life be more exciting, more enriching if they were always just a little drunk? Drinking not as a way to hide from life's problems or unwind on the weekend, but alcohol to revive their passion and open themselves emotionally. No surprise that myself a teacher, approaching middle age  and who enjoys alcohol connected with this so much. Standouts: Mads Mikkelson is an absolute movie star. He is so captivating on screen. Hollywood really has missed out, he's built for leading roles. Trailer for anyone interested
Beau Travail (1999) Is extremely underrated. Glad to see you have it rated so highly 

 
10-6

10. The Last Command (1928)- The only silent movie on my list and by far the oldest. The late stage silent films were so limber and capable of epic scale. Josef Von Sternberg was at the peak of the form in 1927-28 but when talking came in and brought with them numerous filming limitations, his gifts were neutered. He is working at his full powers here telling a story of a powerful Czarist Russian general clinging to his power and honor during the Revolution. It's cleverly framed as a flashback from the now former imperialist who is reduced to a broke homeless bum in America seeking out a role as an extra in a Hollywood movie about the Russian Revolution. It's both a grand historic piece and a kind of precursor to psychological noirs. Standouts: I've never seen Emil Jannings be anything but incredible on the screen. This is the performance of a lifetime. It's also interesting to see a young William Powell. 

9. The Father (2020)- Speaking of performances of a lifetime, how about Anthony Hopkins here? I hate his Oscar win got overshadowed by the controversy around the Oscars blundered timing and Boseman's untimely death. Hopkins was every bit as good here as he was 30 years ago in Silence of the Lambs. When I was young, I watched my grandmother fall apart with Alzheimers. My parents are still quite sharp but my MIL has definitely declined. My best friend's dad, who reminds me quite a bit of Hopkins here, is also starting to show some signs of dementia. Given all of this, the movie completely rattled me to my core. Heartbreaking. Stand out: Obviously Hopkins as stated but I wanted to give some credit to Florian Zeller. He's a first time filmmaker and he managed to nail a rather a complex movie that places the viewer in the mind of someone who is mentally deteriorating in such an affective way. 

8. Ran (1985)- For a 75 year old director who had only made 2 movies in the last 15 years to make a movie of this scale is just bonkers. Kurosawa absolutely gets on the director Mt. Rushmore. A Samurai film that lays waste to man and his lust for power. Standouts: Kurosawa goes without saying. We also have to credit Shakespeare. The movie is based on King Lear. Incredible that something written 400 years ago in Elizabethan England can translate to medieval Japan and 2020 America. Also respect has to be paid to the people who recently restored the film. It is a gorgeous restoration. I tried to watch the movie a few years ago and I stopped because it looked like garbage. Trailer for the re-release around the brand new restoration.

7. Beau Travail (1999)- You ever watch a movie and then when it is over, you can't stop thinking about it? I watched this months ago and the end of the movie is still bouncing around in my head. I had found the movie hypnotic and erotic but the ending is what really floored me. It is the kind of movie that has very little plot. It's a group of French soldiers in East Africa, particularly focused on the veteran officer who lives through regiment and order and a bubbling resentful envy of a new recruit. Really it is really a movie about emotions and not characters or events. Stand outs: Claire Deny's eye for natural landscapes and the human form, her color palette and pacing. Then the guts to deliver the ending she does. 

6. Another Round (2020)- There is actually a major similarity between the ending of this movie and Beau Travail. I can't give away either, you have to see them both. I can't even really talk about either because I would hate to give away the endings but one could write quite an interesting essay comparing and contrasting them. How they are so much the same but yet deliver the absolute opposite reaction from the audience. Anyway, this movie is quite simple. A group of middle aged teachers find themselves bored with life and decide to conduct an experiment: would life be more exciting, more enriching if they were always just a little drunk? Drinking not as a way to hide from life's problems or unwind on the weekend, but alcohol to revive their passion and open themselves emotionally. No surprise that myself a teacher, approaching middle age  and who enjoys alcohol connected with this so much. Standouts: Mads Mikkelson is an absolute movie star. He is so captivating on screen. Hollywood really has missed out, he's built for leading roles. Trailer for anyone interested
i have looked fwd to these capsules like few things ever posted in this forum. milk it, baby - my suffering anticipatiion makes it all the sweeter

 
Just watched it, and loved it. Big Wilder fan and somehow never saw this over the years. 

🤣 From wikipedia -

Cagney:

"I got riled at S.Z. Sakall ... in Yankee Doodle Dandy for trying to steal a scene, but he was an incorrigible old ham who was quietly and respectfully put in his place by Michael Curtiz. No harm in the old boy. But this Horst Buchholz character I truly loathed. Had he kept on with his little scene-stealing didoes, I would have been forced to knock him on his ###, which I would have very much enjoyed doing."
Was never a horst bucholz fan except he was decent in the Magnificent Seven.

 
Miller's Crossing - 

After watching the whole thing, I have the reaction that Andy does to NCFOM - good, but not great for me.  After thinking about my question a bit ago, for me and the Coen's it must come down to the characters/dialogue, and that's what is not clicking with me and their movies.  I am way more likely to like their dramas, but even then my latest rewatch of Fargo seemed to lose a little steam too.    I don't think it's a coincidence that No Country is my favorite of them, since I assume it's one of the few of theirs that is from a source material.    Then it would be Fargo, Blood Simple, Miller's Crossing.    Not in a rush to sit down and rewatch many of their others.  
What in the natural F???

The dialogue of Miller's Crossing didn't click with you?

The dialogue is perfect.  Miller's Crossing has some of the best all-time dialogue IMHO.  

Really question this criticism of Miller's Crossing.  

On second thought, I don't question that criticism.  I'll say flat out you could not be more wrong.

Some of the most delectable dialogue ever.  It's a feast.  I could quote the entire movie.  Everything sings.  It is perfect noir machine-gun-fired banter. 

I love this movie based on the dialogue and forgot how much I love it.

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  • Leo: [to Caspar] You haven't bought any license to kill bookies and today I ain't sellin' any. Now take your flunkie and dangle.
  • Tom Reagan: If you want me to keep my mouth shut, it's gonna cost you some dough. I figure a thousand bucks is reasonable, so I want two. 
  • Johnny Caspar: You got references? You been to college? We ONLY take yeggs what's been to college, ain't that right, Dane? Ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha! I'm joking, of course.  
  • Caspar: Youse fancy pants, all a youse.
  • Eddie Dane: You understand that if we don't find a stiff out here, we leave a fresh one. 
  • Verna: Shouldn't you be doing your job?

    Tom': Intimidating helpless women is my job.

    Verna: Then go find one, and intimidate her.
  • Leo: You hear about Rug?

    Tom: Yeah, RIP.

    Leo: They took his hair, Tommy. Jesus, that's strange, why would they do that?

    Tom: Maybe it was injuns.


  • 'Tom: Rug Daniels is dead.

    Verna: Gee, that's tough.

    Tom: Don't get hysterical.
  • Tom: So what's the deal, you get to live and Verna has to be Leo's girl?

    Bernie: I have nothing to do with that, she'll sleep with anyone Tom, you know that! She even tried to teach me a thing or two about bed artistry once. Some crackpot idea about saving me from my friends. She's a sick twist all right.

    Tom: She speaks highly of you.

    Bernie: Yeah, well, you stick by your family.
  • Bernie: Look in your heart! Look in your heart!

    Tom: What heart?
 
Bracie Smathers said:
Star studded lineup nudged me to watching.  I 'liked it' better than only a 4 of 10 and I'd watch it over Power Of The Dog.  
My ratings are a bit odd.  a 4/10 for me = average or below average, but I would recommend some people to watch it.   3/10 would be I didn't like and and wouldn't recommend it to people.  

Don't know what to tell you about Miller's Crossing.    Like I said, overall I liked it, but I didn't think it was great like many here do.  The dialogue posting above was me trying to figure out why Coen movies don't click 100% with me, and that's one of the things I thought it could be. 

 
Don't know what to tell you about Miller's Crossing.    Like I said, overall I liked it, but I didn't think it was great like many here do.  The dialogue posting above was me trying to figure out why Coen movies don't click 100% with me, and that's one of the things I thought it could be. 
I fall over myself praising the dialogue of the Coen's and it is because they slide into many genres and crush it.  I first noted how great their dialogue was from Miller's Crossing.  

The reason is I have studied screenwriting and even though the Academy gives out an Oscar it is a widely unrecognized artform compared to performers.  To master different eras and genres with 'subtle' dialogue.  The Coen's are one of the few that strictly follow a script to the word so all their success is built off of strong scripts.

 
Wrath of Man - Jason Statham doing Jason Statham things. the usual shoot em up heist/action flick, with a couple really good sequences. overall, good not great. 6.5/10


Watched this last night (sorry for editing your post). 

I liked it. I mean - I like most action movies. Even dumb ones. But - as you wrote, I thought this one was pretty decent.

 
I love the Coen's dialogue but they definitely have a distinct style they use in most of their movies. If their approach to dialogue doesn't work for someone then it's likely going to impact the enjoyment of nearly all of their films. Their dialogue is among the most distinct in movies, right up there with Sorkin or Tarantino. 

 
Ultimately though, Cohen dialog is just a stylistic choice and in the context of their movies akin to a MacGuffin. 

But unless it's attached to a good script & interesting characters, it doesn't matter. Fargo & Miller's Crossing are way better than Burn After Reading and The Ladykillers (just an example) because the formers' scripts and themes are way better than the latters'. 

Fargo's "oh yah's" and woodchippers are in service of the themes of good versus evil and the definitions of each.

Miller's Crossing's "what's the rumpus" and Tommy Gun mastery are in service of the themes of friendship, character and ethics - but mostly about friendship. 

 
Just wrapped up the directors cut of The Killing of a Chinese Bookie (Cassavetes).

I'll admit I don't know his process, but the films of his I've seen seem highly improvised, which works to pull me (at least) in to the worlds and characters and feel like I'm co-habitating. I was a huge fan of A Woman under the Influence- in retrospect I think because Falk and Rowlands we're just incredible working off each other. Ben Gazarra is breathtaking here and carries the film, but sadly his leading ladies seem more like actual strippers than actors...and are convincing there...but don't offer him enough substance to bounce off of as Rowlands or equivalent might have. I wish there had been more of Cassel or Mr Imagination, both of whom immediately gave the film more breadth. Still really enjoyed this though, even if it tends to meander...the intimacy Cassavetes creates makes the meandering worthwhile and interesting...even the surreal nude review/shows that feel like Ubu Roi

 
13. Heathers (1989)- I am way too late to this. Instantly quotable and truly laugh out loud. The way the writer and director handle the tone of violence, comedy and drama is a true  high wire act. Hard to believe neither the writer or director would ever make another movie of real significance. This movie gives the impression that one or both of them are real masters. Standouts: The dialogue:

Our love is God. Let’s go get a Slushie.

I LOVE MY DEAD, GAY SON!

This isn’t just a spoke in my menstrual cycle.


I've had First Cow on my DVR for several months, and I really need to get to it.  Glad to read your review.

I still quote "I love my dead gay son!" embarrassingly often.

Need to see Happy Together.

10-6

9. The Father (2020) 

8. Ran (1985)

7. Beau Travail (1999)

6. Another Round (2020)


Boy, I liked Another Round quite a bit, but putting it above Ran, The Father, and Beau Travail is a shock.  I don't always love Claire Denis movies, but they're always visually interesting.  Agree with you wholeheartedly regarding Florian Zeller and Mats Mikkelsen.  Mikkelsen was apparently the star of the TV show, Hannibal, but I've never seen it.  Another movie I'd recommend with him as lead is After The Wedding.

 
Ultimately though, Cohen dialog is just a stylistic choice and in the context of their movies akin to a MacGuffin. 
Its not just stylistic, Joel has real skill.  Very few movies come close to the quality of their dialogue.  Most is just banal pablum before considering the quality of the characters or the universe they craft.  Its not just dialogue and its certainly not just stylistic.   Their is real skill in a Coenn Brothers screenplay and in particular the dialogue.  

 
What in the natural F???

The dialogue of Miller's Crossing didn't click with you?

The dialogue is perfect.  Miller's Crossing has some of the best all-time dialogue IMHO.  

Really question this criticism of Miller's Crossing.  

On second thought, I don't question that criticism.  I'll say flat out you could not be more wrong.

Some of the most delectable dialogue ever.  It's a feast.  I could quote the entire movie.  Everything sings.  It is perfect noir machine-gun-fired banter. 

I love this movie based on the dialogue and forgot how much I love it.

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  • Leo: [to Caspar] You haven't bought any license to kill bookies and today I ain't sellin' any. Now take your flunkie and dangle.
  • Tom Reagan: If you want me to keep my mouth shut, it's gonna cost you some dough. I figure a thousand bucks is reasonable, so I want two. 
  • Johnny Caspar: You got references? You been to college? We ONLY take yeggs what's been to college, ain't that right, Dane? Ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha! I'm joking, of course.  
  • Caspar: Youse fancy pants, all a youse.
  • Eddie Dane: You understand that if we don't find a stiff out here, we leave a fresh one. 
  • Verna: Shouldn't you be doing your job?

    Tom': Intimidating helpless women is my job.

    Verna: Then go find one, and intimidate her.
  • Leo: You hear about Rug?

    Tom: Yeah, RIP.

    Leo: They took his hair, Tommy. Jesus, that's strange, why would they do that?

    Tom: Maybe it was injuns.


  • 'Tom: Rug Daniels is dead.

    Verna: Gee, that's tough.

    Tom: Don't get hysterical.
  • Tom: So what's the deal, you get to live and Verna has to be Leo's girl?

    Bernie: I have nothing to do with that, she'll sleep with anyone Tom, you know that! She even tried to teach me a thing or two about bed artistry once. Some crackpot idea about saving me from my friends. She's a sick twist all right.

    Tom: She speaks highly of you.

    Bernie: Yeah, well, you stick by your family.
  • Bernie: Look in your heart! Look in your heart!

    Tom: What heart?
Agreed on all points.

 
Boy, I liked Another Round quite a bit, but putting it above Ran, The Father, and Beau Travail is a shock.  I don't always love Claire Denis movies, but they're always visually interesting.  Agree with you wholeheartedly regarding Florian Zeller and Mats Mikkelsen.  Mikkelsen was apparently the star of the TV show, Hannibal, but I've never seen it.  Another movie I'd recommend with him as lead is After The Wedding.
Like I said, I am a teacher approaching middle age who also likes to drink. Also I am splitting hairs here on many of these ranks. 

 
I've had First Cow on my DVR for several months, and I really need to get to it.  Glad to read your review.

I still quote "I love my dead gay son!" embarrassingly often.

Need to see Happy Together.

Boy, I liked Another Round quite a bit, but putting it above Ran, The Father, and Beau Travail is a shock.  I don't always love Claire Denis movies, but they're always visually interesting.  Agree with you wholeheartedly regarding Florian Zeller and Mats Mikkelsen.  Mikkelsen was apparently the star of the TV show, Hannibal, but I've never seen it.  Another movie I'd recommend with him as lead is After The Wedding.
He was awesome in Hannibal.   That show was nuts, and I am still not sure how it was on network TV.  So gory.  

The Hunt is one of his that I thought was great as well, though tough subject matter.   Pretty sure he was the main guy in Valhalla Rising, a Nicholas Winding Refn joint.  

 
I love the Coen's dialogue but they definitely have a distinct style they use in most of their movies. If their approach to dialogue doesn't work for someone then it's likely going to impact the enjoyment of nearly all of their films. Their dialogue is among the most distinct in movies, right up there with Sorkin or Tarantino. 
And maybe I am just trying to think too much about it.   It very well could just be "we like what we like".   

It just interests me and I like to figure out the why for a couple things:

- Why people connect to some directors and actively dislike others.  

- Why I don't connect with movies that the masses seem to rate very highly.  

I've been told countless times how boring and ####ty PTA's movies are.   Or Kubrick was way overrated and his movies are dull.  

 
Boy, I liked Another Round quite a bit, but putting it above Ran, The Father, and Beau Travail is a shock.  I don't always love Claire Denis movies, but they're always visually interesting.  Agree with you wholeheartedly regarding Florian Zeller and Mats Mikkelsen.  Mikkelsen was apparently the star of the TV show, Hannibal, but I've never seen it.  Another movie I'd recommend with him as lead is After The Wedding.
Like I said, I am a teacher approaching middle age who also likes to drink. Also I am splitting hairs here on many of these ranks. 


Sorry, my post read more critically than I intended.  Instead I should have said that it can be interesting what each person's particular circumstances can bring to a movie.  Again, it's a film I thought very highly of in any case.  Eager to see the rest of the list!

 
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Sorry, my post read more critically than I intended.  Instead I should have said that it can be interesting what each person's particular circumstances can bring to a movie.  Again, it's a film I thought very highly of in any case.  Eager to see the rest of the list!
My post probably read more defensive than intended. I was just kind of saying how much it resonated for me and I loved the ending. I felt so invigorated. I've rewatched the ending several times. 

 
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15. To Live and Die in LA (1985)-  An absolute boiler of an 80s noir movie about a Secret Services agent hunting a violent counterfeiter.  William Friedkin is more famous for his 70s cop movie French Connection but I prefer this. It's got a great balance of grittiness and slick 80s production. Despite some gloss, this movie pulls no punches. Standouts: a very young Willem Dafoe as the the villain and a super cool Wang Chung score. 
Watched this for the first time last night.  Solid.   Kind of a combo of Heat, Manhunter and French Connection.  Dafoe steals every scene he’s in.

 
I still quote "I love my dead gay son!" embarrassingly often
Quoted this last night in passing.  In front of both kids.  Immediately canceled by my two 13 year olds, who probably aren’t ready to see this movie yet.  They both looked at me like 😳😳😵😵🤬🤬🤬.  Lots of judgment. Mrs APK was unhappy.

 
Quoted this last night in passing.  In front of both kids.  Immediately canceled by my two 13 year olds, who probably aren’t ready to see this movie yet.  They both looked at me like 😳😳😵😵🤬🤬🤬.  Lots of judgment. Mrs APK was unhappy.
Not sure what the youths would make of that movie today

 
Its not just stylistic, Joel has real skill.  Very few movies come close to the quality of their dialogue.  Most is just banal pablum before considering the quality of the characters or the universe they craft.  Its not just dialogue and its certainly not just stylistic.   Their is real skill in a Coenn Brothers screenplay and in particular the dialogue.  
Of course the dialog is good. I was referring to the delivery of it.

 
Of course the dialog is good. I was referring to the delivery of it.
You have to match dialogue to genre, what I am saying is that the dialogue stands out technically.  It is elevated.  Fitting dialogue to genre or to character/situation is just par that everyone does or attempts to do in a script.  

And maybe I am just trying to think too much about it.   It very well could just be "we like what we like".   

It just interests me and I like to figure out the why for a couple things:

- Why people connect to some directors and actively dislike others.  

- Why I don't connect with movies that the masses seem to rate very highly.  

I've been told countless times how boring and ####ty PTA's movies are.   Or Kubrick was way overrated and his movies are dull.  
No, nope, no.  Coen dialogue isn't just a knee-jerk subjective Pavlovian response that you link to PTA in some connect-the-dot response to PTA criticism or people can just say PTA subjectively sucks because they 'say-so' neaner, neaner, neaner.

Come on.  You know PTA has real skill as a director. 

The Coen's have real skill writing dialogue and as directors.  By acknowledging their skill, it doesn't diminish PTAs skill.  They aren't linked.  Coen's elevated dialogue stands separate on its own as does PTAs directorial skill.  By acknowledging PTAs directorial skills, I am in no way diminishing the Coen's fantastic dialogue and would never enter that conversation if you hadn't brought it up. 

 
You have to match dialogue to genre, what I am saying is that the dialogue stands out technically.  It is elevated.  Fitting dialogue to genre or to character/situation is just par that everyone does or attempts to do in a script.  

No, nope, no.  Coen dialogue isn't just a knee-jerk subjective Pavlovian response that you link to PTA in some connect-the-dot response to PTA criticism or people can just say PTA subjectively sucks because they 'say-so' neaner, neaner, neaner.

Come on.  You know PTA has real skill as a director. 

The Coen's have real skill writing dialogue and as directors.  By acknowledging their skill, it doesn't diminish PTAs skill.  They aren't linked.  Coen's elevated dialogue stands separate on its own as does PTAs directorial skill.  By acknowledging PTAs directorial skills, I am in no way diminishing the Coen's fantastic dialogue and would never enter that conversation if you hadn't brought it up. 
To be clear, wasn't trying to do a 1-1 comparison of PTA and Coens.  

I was just saying I find it interesting who connect with specific directors and why.    

 
And also Miller's Crossing is in a subgenre that I normally don't connect to in general either, so it also had that hurdle.  

Again - I liked the damn movie too! ;)  

 

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