Redskins: Battle at WLB (1 Viewer)

[Pick]

Per the Blogger.

Battle For WLB Spot

Ryan O'Halloran, Washington Times - Full Story

The competition is heating up at WLB for the Washington Redskinss. Rookie LB Rocky McIntosh had knee surgery on Wednesday, leaving the first-team snaps to LB Chris Clemons and LB Warrick Holdman.

 

[cr8f]

Per the Blogger.

Battle For WLB Spot

Ryan O'Halloran, Washington Times - Full Story

The competition is heating up at WLB for the Washington Redskinss. Rookie LB Rocky McIntosh had knee surgery on Wednesday, leaving the first-team snaps to LB Chris Clemons and LB Warrick Holdman.

Knee surgery?

 

[Duke1948]

Per the Blogger.

Battle For WLB Spot

Ryan O'Halloran, Washington Times - Full Story

The competition is heating up at WLB for the Washington Redskinss. Rookie LB Rocky McIntosh had knee surgery on Wednesday, leaving the first-team snaps to LB Chris Clemons and LB Warrick Holdman.

Knee surgery?

i'm with you on that, first i've heard about. doesn't sound serious, so hopefully he comes back better.

drafted him this year, didn't know much about the kid but if gibbs thought enough of him to move up in the draft, that's enough of a statement for me.

 

[RAPTURE]

Knee surgery?

It is probably a minor scope to clean out some debris before training camp starts. I would not be too worried about the news. RAPTURE

 

[redman]

Knee surgery?

It is probably a minor scope to clean out some debris before training camp starts. I would not be too worried about the news. RAPTURE

That's exactly what it is. He should be ready by the opening of training camp. By all accounts the coaching staff is impressed with him.

 

[cr8f]

Per the Blogger.

Battle For WLB Spot

Ryan O'Halloran, Washington Times - Full Story

The competition is heating up at WLB for the Washington Redskinss. Rookie LB Rocky McIntosh had knee surgery on Wednesday, leaving the first-team snaps to LB Chris Clemons and LB Warrick Holdman.

Knee surgery?

i'm with you on that, first i've heard about. doesn't sound serious, so hopefully he comes back better.

drafted him this year, didn't know much about the kid but if gibbs thought enough of him to move up in the draft, that's enough of a statement for me.

In addition many players lobbied for him. In the end he may move to MLB and could be a fantasy stud there.

 

[cracKer]

Warrick Holdman the frontrunner?

article

"Speaking to reporters after a Redskins minicamp workout on Saturday, Williams singled out Holdman as the frontrunner in the competition to start at WLB, which also includes Roger McIntosh, Chris Clemons and Robert McCune."

 

[Tick]

gibbs thought enough of him to move up in the draft,

Gibbs screwd up. He moved up for D'Qwell Jackson, then Jackson was taken the pick before him. That's why Washington was so confused about what to do and had to take so long to decide what player to pick there. The trade for Washington to move up was announced at the same time that the Jackson pick was announced.When you move up for a player, you walk straight out and pick him.

 

[Weiner Dog]

gibbs thought enough of him to move up in the draft,

Gibbs screwd up. He moved up for D'Qwell Jackson, then Jackson was taken the pick before him. That's why Washington was so confused about what to do and had to take so long to decide what player to pick there. The trade for Washington to move up was announced at the same time that the Jackson pick was announced.When you move up for a player, you walk straight out and pick him.

...and low-and-behold, a guy with an injury history has artho knee surgery one month after being drafted.

 

[msommer]

Warrick Holdman the frontrunner?

article

"Speaking to reporters after a Redskins minicamp workout on Saturday, Williams singled out Holdman as the frontrunner in the competition to start at WLB, which also includes Roger McIntosh, Chris Clemons and Robert McCune."

Until Holdman is injured in game 3....

 

[pretender]

Redskins | Holdman looking to take over the weakside

Mon, 19 Jun 2006 05:28:03 -0700

David Elfin, of the Washington Times, reports Washington Redskins LB Warrick Holdman is tentatively set to take over as the team's starting weakside linebacker. Rookie LB Rocky McIntosh is the only credible alternative now that LB Chris Clemons has been switched to the strongside behind LB Marcus Washington. "Warrick is having a great camp," said assistant head coach-defense Gregg Williams. "His suddenness without pads on is excellent. Right now, Warrick has the edge." Holdman is far from secure in his status as a starter. "I'm in better shape and I know the defense a little better so I feel more comfortable, but I can't go in saying it's my job to lose," said the 233-pound Holdman, who's about 10 pounds lighter than he was last season.

 

[redman]

gibbs thought enough of him to move up in the draft,

Gibbs screwd up. He moved up for D'Qwell Jackson, then Jackson was taken the pick before him. That's why Washington was so confused about what to do and had to take so long to decide what player to pick there. The trade for Washington to move up was announced at the same time that the Jackson pick was announced.When you move up for a player, you walk straight out and pick him.

This is all speculation. What seems more likely is that they were reaching the point of drop-off to the next tier of talent at OLB, a position of need for the 'Skins, and they determined that they needed to make sure that they'd get a guy there who they could develop and play this year. It's possible that they wanted Jackson over McIntosh, but it's certainly not definite. McIntosh was the only one of the two with a private workout, and he's also known as a highly intelligent player (he had the best test score out of all of the LB's IIRC), something that Gregg Williams values. Gibbs and the staff have also publicly praised the quality of the Miami program where McIntosh comes from.

Either way, McIntosh seems like a solid pick given their need, and a good fit for their system.

 

[Punchie]

Here's more from the blogger on Rocky McIntosh's knee surgery:

http://www.redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=1751

He's expected to be ready for training camp.

 

[redman]

Here's more from the blogger on Rocky McIntosh's knee surgery:

http://www.redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=1751

He's expected to be ready for training camp.

And he has in fact been in camp and looking athletic. The current depth chart at WLB is: Holdman, McIntosh, Clemons

McIntosh has by far the highest potential among this group, with the veteran Holdman basically keeping the seat warm until McIntosh demonstrates to Williams (as rookies always must with him) that he's earned the starting job and knows his assignments.

Clemons is on the bubble and was recently criticized for his inconsistent play.

 

[slayer666]

minor scope

Seems like an oxymoron given the durability issues Rocky McIntosh has had in the past.

 

[redman]

Update re: the battle for this spot, which is the same as I've been describing it:

TRAINING CAMP BATTLES: Rocky McIntosh has yet to overtake Warrick Holdman in the battle for the job as the starting weakside linebacker. Holdman has too good a grasp on the defense to be dislodged this early in training camp. He plays at high speed in game situations, something McIntosh is not yet able to do. McIntosh, who has good speed and has a real pop to his tackles, is coming out of his rookie fog, but he still spends a fair amount of time thinking about what he should do than simply doing it out of instinct or because he has had constant repetitions at the spot. Holdman seems likely to go into the season-opener as the starter. But no one will be surprised if McIntosh is promoted to the starting unit before midseason. . . .

Link

 

[cr8f]

Update re: the battle for this spot, which is the same as I've been describing it:

TRAINING CAMP BATTLES: Rocky McIntosh has yet to overtake Warrick Holdman in the battle for the job as the starting weakside linebacker. Holdman has too good a grasp on the defense to be dislodged this early in training camp. He plays at high speed in game situations, something McIntosh is not yet able to do. McIntosh, who has good speed and has a real pop to his tackles, is coming out of his rookie fog, but he still spends a fair amount of time thinking about what he should do than simply doing it out of instinct or because he has had constant repetitions at the spot. Holdman seems likely to go into the season-opener as the starter. But no one will be surprised if McIntosh is promoted to the starting unit before midseason. . . .

Link

He looked pretty good tonight.

 

[redman]

Update re: the battle for this spot, which is the same as I've been describing it:

TRAINING CAMP BATTLES: Rocky McIntosh has yet to overtake Warrick Holdman in the battle for the job as the starting weakside linebacker. Holdman has too good a grasp on the defense to be dislodged this early in training camp. He plays at high speed in game situations, something McIntosh is not yet able to do. McIntosh, who has good speed and has a real pop to his tackles, is coming out of his rookie fog, but he still spends a fair amount of time thinking about what he should do than simply doing it out of instinct or because he has had constant repetitions at the spot. Holdman seems likely to go into the season-opener as the starter. But no one will be surprised if McIntosh is promoted to the starting unit before midseason. . . .

Link

He looked pretty good tonight.

He was certainly active around the ball. Holdman is basically a warm body at that position, albeit a warm body that will be where he's supposed to be on a given play. McIntosh is leaps and bounds ahead of Holdman athletically. If McIntosh gets his assignments down, that job's his.

 

[nortobc]

If McIntosh gets the starting WLB position, does he play on the nickel? I believe Marshall and Washington are currently the nickel guys.

 

[dgreen]

If McIntosh gets the starting WLB position, does he play on the nickel? I believe Marshall and Washington are currently the nickel guys.

Marcus Washington is a good pass rusher adn might line up at DE in nickel situations sometimes. Also, I noticed Rocky at DE a few times last night.

 

[redman]

If McIntosh gets the starting WLB position, does he play on the nickel? I believe Marshall and Washington are currently the nickel guys.

In truth, I have no idea. He's certainly athletic enough to cover TE's, so it probably comes down to whether the coaches think he's ready to do it. Marshall is a former college safety, so he and Washington are very valuable on 3rd downs.

 

[redman]

Here's a highlight video of McIntosh's performance vs. the Bengals (you gotta love the internet - a highlight vid of a backup player!).

He looks pretty good, but the video mostly focuses on run plays; the one pass play was a 3rd and long in which the TE caught the ball but McIntosh tackled him before he could make the first down; I can't tell what McIntosh's coverage assignment was on that play because he's outside the TV frame.

 

[redman]

The 'Skins released LB Chris Clemons (who suffered a knee injury inthe Cincy game) in order to sign LB Jeff Posey. Clemons played - mostly as a pass-rusher - WLB last year for the team in a backup role.

 

[hammertime]

gibbs thought enough of him to move up in the draft,

Gibbs screwd up. He moved up for D'Qwell Jackson, then Jackson was taken the pick before him. That's why Washington was so confused about what to do and had to take so long to decide what player to pick there. The trade for Washington to move up was announced at the same time that the Jackson pick was announced.When you move up for a player, you walk straight out and pick him.

This is all speculation. What seems more likely is that they were reaching the point of drop-off to the next tier of talent at OLB, a position of need for the 'Skins, and they determined that they needed to make sure that they'd get a guy there who they could develop and play this year. It's possible that they wanted Jackson over McIntosh, but it's certainly not definite. McIntosh was the only one of the two with a private workout, and he's also known as a highly intelligent player (he had the best test score out of all of the LB's IIRC), something that Gregg Williams values. Gibbs and the staff have also publicly praised the quality of the Miami program where McIntosh comes from.

Either way, McIntosh seems like a solid pick given their need, and a good fit for their system.

He's From "THE U" he's not only good...hes DAMN good!

 

[redman]

During this bye week and next week keep your eyes on the possibility that McIntosh replaces Holdman as the starter at WLB. No, the coaching staff has not said anything about this, but we're far enough into the season that (based upon the last two year's top defensive draft picks, Taylor and Rogers) he can be put into the lineup and Holdman's play has noticeably declined to last year's crappy levels after a nice start to the season. I will have to confess that I'm already a bit surprised that McIntosh hasn't made his way into the lineup as of yet.

This is a hunch, but this seems like an opportune time with all of the self-analysis going on at Redskins Park during this bye week to make a change at a position crying out for it.