Redskins camp info (1 Viewer)

[redman]

Here's the team's official depth chart as of today:

DEFENSE Depth Chart Position 1st String 2nd String 3rd String LDE 99 - Andre Carter 97 - Renaldo Wynn 90 - Nic Clemons LDT 96 - Cornelius Griffin 91 - Cedric Killings 64 - Kedric Golston RDT 95 - Joe Salave'a 73 - Ryan Boschetti 94 - Anthony Montgomery RDE 93 - Phillip Daniels 92 - Demetric Evans 75 - Karon Riley SLB 53 - Marcus Washington 50 - Khary Campbell 51 - Spencer Havner MLB 98 - Lemar Marshall 59 - Robert McCune 54 - Kevin Simon WLB 57 - Warrick Holdman 58 - Chris Clemons 52 - Roger McIntosh LCB 22 - Carlos Rogers 25 - Kenny Wright 34 - Dimitri Patterson RCB 24 - Shawn Springs 32 - Ade Jimoh 35 - Christian Morton SS 40 - Adam Archuleta 20 - Pierson Prioleau 39 - Ben EmmanuelFS 21 - Sean Taylor 23 - Reed Doughty 29 - Curry BurnsThere are no surprises. As for the rookies, it's also not a surprise that they're the lowest on the depth chart because it's Gregg Williams' style not to play them early and to make them earn their spots. He runs a complex defense that requires a huge mental step forward for college players. I don't expect that starting lineup to change when the season starts barring injury, and the only in-season change I'd anticipate would be McIntosh taking over for Holdman at WLB.

 

[Force]

any word on how McCune is doing?

 

[redman]

any word on how McCune is doing?

Camp watchers have said that he looks good, is making plays decisively and clearly is playing with more confidence this year. I see no chance for him to beat out Marshall at MLB, and in fact they've played him at SLB to a certain extent during camp too, probably as much for experimentation purposes as anything else. For whatever it's worth, Marshall signed one year ago to play through the 2007 season, but it's only a $2M deal overall (base salary is around $600k), and is therefore easy on the cap to either keep or cut. He turns 30 this December.

 

[Jene Bramel]

any word on how McCune is doing?

Camp watchers have said that he looks good, is making plays decisively and clearly is playing with more confidence this year. I see no chance for him to beat out Marshall at MLB, and in fact they've played him at SLB to a certain extent during camp too, probably as much for experimentation purposes as anything else. For whatever it's worth, Marshall signed one year ago to play through the 2007 season, but it's only a $2M deal overall (base salary is around $600k), and is therefore easy on the cap to either keep or cut. He turns 30 this December.

I'm trying to decide if your avatar should make me more or less likely to trust your posts....

 

[Beaumont]

any word on how McCune is doing?

Camp watchers have said that he looks good, is making plays decisively and clearly is playing with more confidence this year. I see no chance for him to beat out Marshall at MLB, and in fact they've played him at SLB to a certain extent during camp too, probably as much for experimentation purposes as anything else. For whatever it's worth, Marshall signed one year ago to play through the 2007 season, but it's only a $2M deal overall (base salary is around $600k), and is therefore easy on the cap to either keep or cut. He turns 30 this December.

Redskins | McCune not having strong campFri, 4 Aug 2006 21:51:37 -0700Jason La Canfora, of the Washington Post, reports Washington Redskins LB Robert McCune is not having a strong training camp, according to linebackers coach Dale Lindsey. Lindsey said he wants to see more from McCune, who is fighting to win a backup spot at inside linebacker. "He's not where we want him. Robert turned out to be a good special teams players last year, and if you're a backup linebacker here we expect you to be good in that area. But we expect him to rise this year when he's playing middle linebacker. And right now, I don't see him where we want him, and I'm not taking the blame for that," added Lindsey.

 

[redman]

any word on how McCune is doing?

Camp watchers have said that he looks good, is making plays decisively and clearly is playing with more confidence this year. I see no chance for him to beat out Marshall at MLB, and in fact they've played him at SLB to a certain extent during camp too, probably as much for experimentation purposes as anything else. For whatever it's worth, Marshall signed one year ago to play through the 2007 season, but it's only a $2M deal overall (base salary is around $600k), and is therefore easy on the cap to either keep or cut. He turns 30 this December.

Redskins | McCune not having strong campFri, 4 Aug 2006 21:51:37 -0700Jason La Canfora, of the Washington Post, reports Washington Redskins LB Robert McCune is not having a strong training camp, according to linebackers coach Dale Lindsey. Lindsey said he wants to see more from McCune, who is fighting to win a backup spot at inside linebacker. "He's not where we want him. Robert turned out to be a good special teams players last year, and if you're a backup linebacker here we expect you to be good in that area. But we expect him to rise this year when he's playing middle linebacker. And right now, I don't see him where we want him, and I'm not taking the blame for that," added Lindsey.

Interesting, I hadn't seen that report. I was going off of bloggers' reports at practice which are of course less reliable than a direct quote from a LB's coach. Either way, he doesn't have much value this year. The knock on McCune is that he's not the most athletic guy out there. I have trouble imagining him in anything but the MLB spot - for example, the SLB experiment was baffling because I don't see him staying with a receiving TE in pass coverage; guys like Shockey, Witten or Smith (all in his division) would likely eat him alive. Williams likes versatile, athletic LB's. Marshall is only 232 lbs. and is a former safety. Washington and McIntosh (who figures to be starting by season's end) are both also athletic and versatile players. I'm going to go do some more checking on this and I'll update.

 

[Weiner Dog]

I'm surprised that a speed-rusher (Carter) is listed as LDE, while the run-stopper (Daniels) is listed at the RDE.

 

[redman]

I'm surprised that a speed-rusher (Carter) is listed as LDE, while the run-stopper (Daniels) is listed at the RDE.

That's not accurate. They have it backwards. And BTW, while we're on the subject of Carter, he's looked like a man among boys in camp.

 

[dgreen]

I'm interested in watching Kevin Simon in preseason games. If he can stay healthy (his big knock), they got a steal taking him late in the draft. The guy was a tackling machine in college. If Marshall leaves via FA after 2007, I could see Simon leaping McCune for the MLB job.

I've heard Reed Doughty has been impressive in camp; always around the ball.

 

[redman]

I'm interested in watching Kevin Simon in preseason games. If he can stay healthy (his big knock), they got a steal taking him late in the draft. The guy was a tackling machine in college. If Marshall leaves via FA after 2007, I could see Simon leaping McCune for the MLB job.I've heard Reed Doughty has been impressive in camp; always around the ball.

My sleeper from this group is Anthony Montgomery, the DT out of Minnesota. All of his measurables were first round quality for an up-tackle, and based upon quotes of his that I've read he's really been motivated by how hard the guys around him at this level have been working. The hope would be that he ultimately replaces Salave'a or even Griffin in the lineup and turns into another Kevin Williams, but he's worth keeping an eye on.

 

[dgreen]

I'm interested in watching Kevin Simon in preseason games. If he can stay healthy (his big knock), they got a steal taking him late in the draft. The guy was a tackling machine in college. If Marshall leaves via FA after 2007, I could see Simon leaping McCune for the MLB job.I've heard Reed Doughty has been impressive in camp; always around the ball.

My sleeper from this group is Anthony Montgomery, the DT out of Minnesota. All of his measurables were first round quality for an up-tackle, and based upon quotes of his that I've read he's really been motivated by how hard the guys around him at this level have been working. The hope would be that he ultimately replaces Salave'a or even Griffin in the lineup and turns into another Kevin Williams, but he's worth keeping an eye on.

Yes, he's another one to watch. I've heard he's been difficult to handle in one-on-one practice drills.

 

[cr8f]

I'm surprised that a speed-rusher (Carter) is listed as LDE, while the run-stopper (Daniels) is listed at the RDE.

That's not accurate. They have it backwards. And BTW, while we're on the subject of Carter, he's looked like a man among boys in camp.

Just what I like to hear(Andre).

 

[redman]

I'm surprised that a speed-rusher (Carter) is listed as LDE, while the run-stopper (Daniels) is listed at the RDE.

That's not accurate. They have it backwards. And BTW, while we're on the subject of Carter, he's looked like a man among boys in camp.

Here's a Quicktime audio recording of an interview yesterday with Phillip Daniels. About 60-90 seconds in, he's commenting on how he's comfortable switching to the LDE spot opposite Carter because he's played that spot previously both with Chicago and with Seattle.

 

[redman]

Here's a snapshot-type of write-up on McIntosh that also gives you some insight into when Williams would let him into the lineup:

Rocky's Road to Redskins Starter Won't Be Smooth

Friday August 11, 2006 2:13pm

ASHBURN, Va. (AP) - When Sean Taylor was the No. 5 overall pick in the draft two years ago, he was made to toil with the Washington Redskins (website - news) second-string and third-string units throughout training camp, even though his talent as an instant-impact player was obvious. He didn't make his NFL first start until the third week of the regular season.

Carlos Rogers went through the same drill last year. The No. 9 overall pick worked with the reserves in August and finally got his first start in the third regular season game - and only then because Walt Harris was injured.

It's been no surprise, therefore, to see Rocky McIntosh playing backup during the first two weeks of this year's training camp. The second-round draft choice (No. 53 overall) from Miami is seen as a natural successor to fill the weakside linebacker vacancy created by the departure of LaVar Arrington, but the rookie has quickly learned that no one is given anything when playing for assistant coach Gregg Williams' defense.

"He chewed me out Friday good," McIntosh said after a rough practice this week. "But it's all a mental thing. You've got to learn to block that out. Right now about is the time where my head is spinning, but you've just got to learn to show your heartbeat down and take things one step at a time and work on the little things."

Warrick Holdman, whose presence was nondescript at times last year as he shared time with Arrington, is currently listed as the starter on the weakside on the depth chart. Coaches expect Holdman to be more at ease in his second year under Williams, but McIntosh is undoubtedly the future.

"Typical rookie," linebackers coach Dale Lindsey said. "Coming in with good athletic ability, his mind has overloaded his feet because of all the stuff he has to learn. When he does know what he's doing, you can see the really good athletic ability that he has. And when he's not sure what he's doing, he's sort of slow."

Even if McIntosh were looking like the next Lawrence Taylor, chances are he would still be forced to earn his way to the starting group. Williams is passionate about the principals he's developed as a coach in Houston, Tennessee, Buffalo and now Washington, and the question wasn't even finished from the reporter's mouth before he launched into his explanation of why rookies should enter training camp on the lower rungs.

"We'll always do that. Jevon Kearse did it. Nate Clemons did it. Keith Bullock did it. You can go all the way back," Williams said. "That's just a rite of passage. I really don't care how many tackles Rocky had in college. We don't care how many interceptions Carlos had in college. That isn't nothing at this level.

"You've got to come up here and earn your teammate's respect, not the coaches'. I've got a pretty good feel, but when your teammates all of a sudden feel like you belong, that you've earned the right to step on the field and play beside those guys, that's when your unit stays cohesive."

Williams remembered that in 1990, his first year as an assistant coach in the league, the Houston Oilers drafted linebacker Lamar Lathon and immediately put him ahead of Robert Lyles, who had been a team captain.

"I'm not doing that," Williams said. "They've got a long ways to go before they prove they have the right to play in an NFL game. This is not intramurals. This is not a full scholarship league. This is not a hobby. He's in a business now with men who put food on the table for their kids. Sean earned his stripes, Carlos earned his, Rocky's got to earn his. I don't know how long it'll take."

Phew. With a coach like that, McIntosh should be prepared for many more practice drills with the 2s and 3s instead of the 1s. He'll get his first real chance to show what he's learned from Williams' thick play book on Sunday night, when the Redskins play Cincinnati in their first exhibition game.

"The toughest thing is handling the pressure and the amount of material that you have," McIntosh said. "You have to go in there and study and play your best. I can't worry about (being a starter). You've got to worry about going out there and giving it your hardest, going out there and impressing the coaches by knowing what you're supposed to do."

 

[wannabee]

Redskins | Lindsey discusses Clemons

Published Fri Aug 11 9:06:00 p.m. ET 2006

(KFFL) Gary Fitzgerald, of Redskins.com, reports Washington Redskins linebackers coach Dale Lindsey discussed LB Chris Clemons' progress. "Chris has good and bad days. The thing we want out of Chris is more consistency, we want him to be more physical and we want him to be a better special teams player. Not having those three things this year is unacceptable for Chris. He has enough talent do all three of those things," said Lindsey.

Redskins | Lindsey discusses McCune

Published Fri Aug 11 9:07:00 p.m. ET 2006

(KFFL) Gary Fitzgerald, of Redskins.com, reports Washington Redskins linebackers coach Dale Lindsey discussed LB Robert McCune's progress. Lindsey said, "[His development] is not where you want it. Robert turned out to be a good special teams player last year, and if you're a backup linebacker here, you have to be a good special teams player. We expect him to rise this year at middle linebacker. Right now, I don't see him as where we want him."

Redskins | Lindsey discusses McIntosh

Published Fri Aug 11 9:08:00 p.m. ET 2006

(KFFL) Gary Fitzgerald, of Redskins.com, reports Washington Redskins linebackers coach Dale Lindsey discussed LB Rocky McIntosh's progress. "[His development is] typical. He's coming in with good athletic ability, but his mind is overloaded because of all of the things he has to learn and all of the things he has to do. When he does know what he's doing, you can really see the good athletic ability that he has," said Lindsey.

Redskins | Lindsey discusses K. Simon

Published Fri Aug 11 9:09:00 p.m. ET 2006

(KFFL) Gary Fitzgerald, of Redskins.com, reports Washington Redskins linebackers coach Dale Lindsey discussed LB Kevin Simon's progress. Lindsey said, "He's a typical rookie, too. He's overloaded, too. He needs to be a little sharper in his calls and making his adjustments. We'd like him to be a little more physical than he is right now. He's growing."

 

[redman]

Redskins | Lindsey discusses Clemons

Published Fri Aug 11 9:06:00 p.m. ET 2006

(KFFL) Gary Fitzgerald, of Redskins.com, reports Washington Redskins linebackers coach Dale Lindsey discussed LB Chris Clemons' progress. "Chris has good and bad days. The thing we want out of Chris is more consistency, we want him to be more physical and we want him to be a better special teams player. Not having those three things this year is unacceptable for Chris. He has enough talent do all three of those things," said Lindsey.

Redskins | Lindsey discusses McCune

Published Fri Aug 11 9:07:00 p.m. ET 2006

(KFFL) Gary Fitzgerald, of Redskins.com, reports Washington Redskins linebackers coach Dale Lindsey discussed LB Robert McCune's progress. Lindsey said, "[His development] is not where you want it. Robert turned out to be a good special teams player last year, and if you're a backup linebacker here, you have to be a good special teams player. We expect him to rise this year at middle linebacker. Right now, I don't see him as where we want him."

Redskins | Lindsey discusses McIntosh

Published Fri Aug 11 9:08:00 p.m. ET 2006

(KFFL) Gary Fitzgerald, of Redskins.com, reports Washington Redskins linebackers coach Dale Lindsey discussed LB Rocky McIntosh's progress. "[His development is] typical. He's coming in with good athletic ability, but his mind is overloaded because of all of the things he has to learn and all of the things he has to do. When he does know what he's doing, you can really see the good athletic ability that he has," said Lindsey.

Redskins | Lindsey discusses K. Simon

Published Fri Aug 11 9:09:00 p.m. ET 2006

(KFFL) Gary Fitzgerald, of Redskins.com, reports Washington Redskins linebackers coach Dale Lindsey discussed LB Kevin Simon's progress. Lindsey said, "He's a typical rookie, too. He's overloaded, too. He needs to be a little sharper in his calls and making his adjustments. We'd like him to be a little more physical than he is right now. He's growing."

Like I said in another post, Lindsay is the ultimate hard-###. He will never give an unqualified compliment as you can see from the compilation of these posts. He's the Don Rickles of LB coaches.

 

[wannabee]

I was trying to be helpful

 

[redman]

I was trying to be helpful

No, no, I wasn't laughing at you, just at Lindsay for the reasons stated.

 

[dgreen]

I've heard Reed Doughty has been impressive in camp; always around the ball.

Well, he was burned on the flee flicker, but I was impressed. He's always involved somehow.

 

[redman]

Phillip Daniels out for a week with back strain/sprain

Also, the 'Skins signed safety Antuan Edwards and cornerback Julian Battle.

 

[lord_helmet]

Read somewhere they have just signed Jeff Posey LB, anyone thinks he can be a starter ?

 

[redman]

Read somewhere they have just signed Jeff Posey LB, anyone thinks he can be a starter ?

Chances are slim. He's not a MLB, and he won't beat out Marcus Washington at SLB which leaves the WLB spot. Currently, Warrick Holdman is keepting the seat warm for rookie Rocky McIntosh. I think Posey will be a role player and a spot starter as needed if injuries arise.

 

[lord_helmet]

Read somewhere they have just signed Jeff Posey LB, anyone thinks he can be a starter ?

Chances are slim. He's not a MLB, and he won't beat out Marcus Washington at SLB which leaves the WLB spot. Currently, Warrick Holdman is keepting the seat warm for rookie Rocky McIntosh. I think Posey will be a role player and a spot starter as needed if injuries arise.

Thats what I thought, he's a pretty good pass rusher but does not excell in coverage.. thx

 

[redman]

Read somewhere they have just signed Jeff Posey LB, anyone thinks he can be a starter ?

Chances are slim. He's not a MLB, and he won't beat out Marcus Washington at SLB which leaves the WLB spot. Currently, Warrick Holdman is keepting the seat warm for rookie Rocky McIntosh. I think Posey will be a role player and a spot starter as needed if injuries arise.

Thats what I thought, he's a pretty good pass rusher but does not excell in coverage.. thx

For an idea of what he might look like statistically, check out Chris Clemons' stats from last year, when Clemons was used more or less exclusively as a 3rd down pass rusher. He actually replaced Clemons on the roster.

 

[Islander]

R McIntosh started at DE yesterday. Is this a new experiment or what?

 

[redman]

R McIntosh started at DE yesterday. Is this a new experiment or what?

Their base defense is a 4-3, but they'll often rush their OLB's, and even do so out of a 3-4 alignment on occasion. They're one of the teams that will situationally run a hybrid 4-3/3-4.

 

[redman]

FYI - Cornelius Griffin left last night's game with a sprained knee.

 

[cr8f]

R McIntosh started at DE yesterday. Is this a new experiment or what?

Their base defense is a 4-3, but they'll often rush their OLB's, and even do so out of a 3-4 alignment on occasion. They're one of the teams that will situationally run a hybrid 4-3/3-4.

How did Rocky look?

 

[Weiner Dog]

R McIntosh started at DE yesterday. Is this a new experiment or what?

Good eye. I'm assuming Rocky was playing b/c Daniels was hurt.BTW, did anybody notice that the Jets started the game in a 4-3 alignment?? Good news for Ellis and B Thomas owners...even though it'll probably be short-lived.

 

[redman]

R McIntosh started at DE yesterday. Is this a new experiment or what?

Their base defense is a 4-3, but they'll often rush their OLB's, and even do so out of a 3-4 alignment on occasion. They're one of the teams that will situationally run a hybrid 4-3/3-4.

How did Rocky look?

I didn't see the game, but by every account that I've seen of him this preaseason, he looks explosive and should be very good. He just needs time to adjust to the NFL game and to learn Williams' defensive system. He should be starting at WLB by mid-season.