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[gbill2004]

So, what impact does the Stallworth trade have on Reggie Brown's FF value? Will Reggie still be the #1 WR for the Eagles? What kind of numbers can we expect from Reggie now?

Could Reggie's numbers go up now because teams may not double coverage him as much as they might have before Donte was acquired?

Discuss...

 

[Armando]

I'd guess 48/600/5 maybe?

 

[TheLastDispatch]

Yes, Reggie is still the clear number 1 in Philly. Stallworth won't change that. Even without Stallworth you could expect a sizeable bump in Brown's numbers. Last year he had an injured Mcnabb, Mcmahon and Detmer as his QBs. Philly's Oline was absolutely putrid last year. Not to mention he was a rookie. With a healthy (and by the looks of it mid season form) Mcnabb, an Oline that seems to have improved and a year of experience under his belt, expect better numbers. The addition of Stallworth helps too. Stallworth is a burner and a deep threat, so defenses will have to keep an eye on him. The Eagles are incredibly deep (that doesn't necessarily mean incredibly talented) at WR, with Jabar Gaffney potentially being their number 6. I don't think many teams have a number 6 as good as Gaffney.

I'd expect 65/900/7 from Reggie this year. Despite all the improvements since last year it's still a west coast offense and the Eagles still have major receiving threats at RB and TE to steal passes from Reggie. In an offense that doesn't spread the ball around as much I think Reggie could be a 75/1100/10 guy. But not in Philly's offense.

 

[Pat Patriot]

Yes, Reggie is still the clear number 1 in Philly. Stallworth won't change that. Even without Stallworth you could expect a sizeable bump in Brown's numbers. Last year he had an injured Mcnabb, Mcmahon and Detmer as his QBs. Philly's Oline was absolutely putrid last year. Not to mention he was a rookie. With a healthy (and by the looks of it mid season form) Mcnabb, an Oline that seems to have improved and a year of experience under his belt, expect better numbers. The addition of Stallworth helps too. Stallworth is a burner and a deep threat, so defenses will have to keep an eye on him. The Eagles are incredibly deep (that doesn't necessarily mean incredibly talented) at WR, with Jabar Gaffney potentially being their number 6. I don't think many teams have a number 6 as good as Gaffney.I'd expect 65/900/7 from Reggie this year. Despite all the improvements since last year it's still a west coast offense and the Eagles still have major receiving threats at RB and TE to steal passes from Reggie. In an offense that doesn't spread the ball around as much I think Reggie could be a 75/1100/10 guy. But not in Philly's offense.

You have got to be kidding? Prior to getting Stallworth, the Eagles had the worst receivers in the League this side of the Patriots.Reggie Brown

Hank Baskett (undrafted free agent)

Todd Pinkston (injured, good chance he doesnt come back this year)

Greg Lewis

Jason Avant (3rd round pick this year)

Jabar Gaffney (huge dissapointment, likely not to make the team)

That is a putrid group of receivers and is not a DEEP group at all.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Yes, Reggie is still the clear number 1 in Philly. Stallworth won't change that. Even without Stallworth you could expect a sizeable bump in Brown's numbers. Last year he had an injured Mcnabb, Mcmahon and Detmer as his QBs. Philly's Oline was absolutely putrid last year. Not to mention he was a rookie. With a healthy (and by the looks of it mid season form) Mcnabb, an Oline that seems to have improved and a year of experience under his belt, expect better numbers. The addition of Stallworth helps too. Stallworth is a burner and a deep threat, so defenses will have to keep an eye on him. The Eagles are incredibly deep (that doesn't necessarily mean incredibly talented) at WR, with Jabar Gaffney potentially being their number 6. I don't think many teams have a number 6 as good as Gaffney.I'd expect 65/900/7 from Reggie this year. Despite all the improvements since last year it's still a west coast offense and the Eagles still have major receiving threats at RB and TE to steal passes from Reggie. In an offense that doesn't spread the ball around as much I think Reggie could be a 75/1100/10 guy. But not in Philly's offense.

You have got to be kidding? Prior to getting Stallworth, the Eagles had the worst receivers in the League this side of the Patriots.Reggie Brown

Hank Baskett (undrafted free agent)

Todd Pinkston (injured, good chance he doesnt come back this year)

Greg Lewis

Jason Avant (3rd round pick this year)

Jabar Gaffney (huge dissapointment, likely not to make the team)

That is a putrid group of receivers and is not a DEEP group at all.

Since the inception of the forward pass I can't think of a worse receiving unit. Reggie Brown and Avant have a great upside but the rest of the unit is absolute trash. When an undrafted free agent can be in the running for the #2 WR job you have some big issue. Even with Stallworth they still have one of the poorest if not the poorest group of WRs in the league. A tragic mix of underachievement, raw talent, experience, and alligator arms.

 

[JaxBill]

Since the inception of the forward pass I can't think of a worse receiving unit.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/phi1999.htm

 

[JaxBill]

Actually, I think this minimally helps Reggie Brown. Stallworth will run Pinkston's routes and stretch the field for the underneath routes including Brown, Westbrook, and LJ Smith.

 

[abhall]

Since the inception of the forward pass I can't think of a worse receiving unit.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/phi1999.htm

We have a winner!

 

[JAA]

It is speculated that Gaffney will be cut. Trading for Stallworth should all but assure that. This would leave the starting WRs for the Eagles like this:

Brown, Stallworth, Lewis

I think Baskett and Avant will be better players than Lewis (and maybe Stallworth ) but at the moment I feel this trade was done because they wanted to cut Gaffney but did not want to go into the season with either rookie Baskett or Avant in the starting lineup.

Oh, and if you havnt figured it out Stinkston still has major pain and stiffness in his achillies. I doubt he will be a factor this season ... well, more of a factor that any chump WR could be

 

[JAA]

Yes, Reggie is still the clear number 1 in Philly. Stallworth won't change that. Even without Stallworth you could expect a sizeable bump in Brown's numbers. Last year he had an injured Mcnabb, Mcmahon and Detmer as his QBs. Philly's Oline was absolutely putrid last year. Not to mention he was a rookie. With a healthy (and by the looks of it mid season form) Mcnabb, an Oline that seems to have improved and a year of experience under his belt, expect better numbers. The addition of Stallworth helps too. Stallworth is a burner and a deep threat, so defenses will have to keep an eye on him. The Eagles are incredibly deep (that doesn't necessarily mean incredibly talented) at WR, with Jabar Gaffney potentially being their number 6. I don't think many teams have a number 6 as good as Gaffney.I'd expect 65/900/7 from Reggie this year. Despite all the improvements since last year it's still a west coast offense and the Eagles still have major receiving threats at RB and TE to steal passes from Reggie. In an offense that doesn't spread the ball around as much I think Reggie could be a 75/1100/10 guy. But not in Philly's offense.

You have got to be kidding? Prior to getting Stallworth, the Eagles had the worst receivers in the League this side of the Patriots.Reggie Brown

Hank Baskett (undrafted free agent)

Todd Pinkston (injured, good chance he doesnt come back this year)

Greg Lewis

Jason Avant (3rd round pick this year)

Jabar Gaffney (huge dissapointment, likely not to make the team)

That is a putrid group of receivers and is not a DEEP group at all.

Since the inception of the forward pass I can't think of a worse receiving unit.

I got one for you:Pinkston, Thrash, FredEx

 

[Armando]

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[zadok]

So, what impact does the Stallworth trade have on Reggie Brown's FF value? Will Reggie still be the #1 WR for the Eagles? What kind of numbers can we expect from Reggie now?Could Reggie's numbers go up now because teams may not double coverage him as much as they might have before Donte was acquired?Discuss...

If anything, it helps Brown. His targets do not decrease with Stallworth in the mix. IMHO, of course...

 

[mo542]

Homer alert

Well, as an Eagles die-hard, I’ll give you my evaluation. The Stallworth trade was made to back the safeties off and open up the underneath for Brown, Westbrook, and Smith. Brown is the undisputed #1 target (at receiver) and this move will only give him more room to operate in the middle. So IMO, if you drafted Brown or Westbrook you are in good shape.

Tangent:

Ironically, I think this move actually hurts Stallworth’s value. He is replacing Pinkston and will be taking on his role (deep threat.) Now I think that Stallworth is better than Pinkston, but he still has to learn the offense; I don’t think you see Stallworth’s full potential until next season. That being said, my best guess for his numbers this year is around what Pinkston put up in 2004; 36 rec , 676 yards, 1 TD. I’m guessing 45 rec, 750 yards, and 3 TD’s.

 

[DenverBuc]

Yes, Reggie is still the clear number 1 in Philly. Stallworth won't change that. Even without Stallworth you could expect a sizeable bump in Brown's numbers. Last year he had an injured Mcnabb, Mcmahon and Detmer as his QBs. Philly's Oline was absolutely putrid last year. Not to mention he was a rookie. With a healthy (and by the looks of it mid season form) Mcnabb, an Oline that seems to have improved and a year of experience under his belt, expect better numbers. The addition of Stallworth helps too. Stallworth is a burner and a deep threat, so defenses will have to keep an eye on him. The Eagles are incredibly deep (that doesn't necessarily mean incredibly talented) at WR, with Jabar Gaffney potentially being their number 6. I don't think many teams have a number 6 as good as Gaffney.I'd expect 65/900/7 from Reggie this year. Despite all the improvements since last year it's still a west coast offense and the Eagles still have major receiving threats at RB and TE to steal passes from Reggie. In an offense that doesn't spread the ball around as much I think Reggie could be a 75/1100/10 guy. But not in Philly's offense.

You have got to be kidding? Prior to getting Stallworth, the Eagles had the worst receivers in the League this side of the Patriots.Reggie Brown

Hank Baskett (undrafted free agent)

Todd Pinkston (injured, good chance he doesnt come back this year)

Greg Lewis

Jason Avant (3rd round pick this year)

Jabar Gaffney (huge dissapointment, likely not to make the team)

That is a putrid group of receivers and is not a DEEP group at all.

Since the inception of the forward pass I can't think of a worse receiving unit. Reggie Brown and Avant have a great upside but the rest of the unit is absolute trash. When an undrafted free agent can be in the running for the #2 WR job you have some big issue. Even with Stallworth they still have one of the poorest if not the poorest group of WRs in the league. A tragic mix of underachievement, raw talent, experience, and alligator arms.

Not defending the Philly WRs here at all as I think they are a poor unit as well, but on the bold underlined portion above, ever heard of Rod Smith? I think that turned out pretty well for the Broncos.

 

[TD32]

With the addition of Stallworth, does Baskett have any value in redraft now?

 

[JAA]

With the addition of Stallworth, does Baskett have any value in redraft now?

Unless the redraft is a 18 man 16-team roster

 

[Monarch]

Homer alert Well, as an Eagles die-hard, I’ll give you my evaluation. The Stallworth trade was made to back the safeties off and open up the underneath for Brown, Westbrook, and Smith. Brown is the undisputed #1 target (at receiver) and this move will only give him more room to operate in the middle. So IMO, if you drafted Brown or Westbrook you are in good shape. Tangent: Ironically, I think this move actually hurts Stallworth’s value. He is replacing Pinkston and will be taking on his role (deep threat.) Now I think that Stallworth is better than Pinkston, but he still has to learn the offense; I don’t think you see Stallworth’s full potential until next season. That being said, my best guess for his numbers this year is around what Pinkston put up in 2004; 36 rec , 676 yards, 1 TD. I’m guessing 45 rec, 750 yards, and 3 TD’s.

Stallworth is in the last year of his contract. If he does not perform well, there will not be a next year. The Saints traded him because they decided he would not be resigned. The trade either wakes him up and he performs well this year or he becomes another incredibly talented bust.

 

[Sand]

Homer alert Well, as an Eagles die-hard, I’ll give you my evaluation. The Stallworth trade was made to back the safeties off and open up the underneath for Brown, Westbrook, and Smith. Brown is the undisputed #1 target (at receiver) and this move will only give him more room to operate in the middle. So IMO, if you drafted Brown or Westbrook you are in good shape. Tangent: Ironically, I think this move actually hurts Stallworth’s value. He is replacing Pinkston and will be taking on his role (deep threat.) Now I think that Stallworth is better than Pinkston, but he still has to learn the offense; I don’t think you see Stallworth’s full potential until next season. That being said, my best guess for his numbers this year is around what Pinkston put up in 2004; 36 rec , 676 yards, 1 TD. I’m guessing 45 rec, 750 yards, and 3 TD’s.

As a Saints homer I just wanted to let you know what you are in for. An amazingly fast WR who can't run a pattern, is nicknamed Stonhands for a very good reason, and tends to tweak his vaginismus muscle every few weeks. Stallworth has dropped enough big passes to make him a deficit to the Saints and am personally glad he is gone. We just needed to ship Devery with him. We are deep enough to get rid of those two.Saints got a servicable LB (who can't be much worse than what we've got already) and a path to go out and get Donnie Edwards. A solid LB corps is really what the Saints need. We blled a little at WR - but that is OK since our two draft picks look incredible and we have tons of talent and depth there. Devery aside, of course.I wish you luck as you curse week after week when Stonehands is either hurt or dropping 3rd and 7 passes...

 

[joffer]

it hurst Brown a little, but not much. helps McNabb a lot.

Stallworth - 65/875/5

Brown - 60/790/4

 

[diesel7982]

Yes, Reggie is still the clear number 1 in Philly. Stallworth won't change that. Even without Stallworth you could expect a sizeable bump in Brown's numbers. Last year he had an injured Mcnabb, Mcmahon and Detmer as his QBs. Philly's Oline was absolutely putrid last year. Not to mention he was a rookie. With a healthy (and by the looks of it mid season form) Mcnabb, an Oline that seems to have improved and a year of experience under his belt, expect better numbers. The addition of Stallworth helps too. Stallworth is a burner and a deep threat, so defenses will have to keep an eye on him. The Eagles are incredibly deep (that doesn't necessarily mean incredibly talented) at WR, with Jabar Gaffney potentially being their number 6. I don't think many teams have a number 6 as good as Gaffney.I'd expect 65/900/7 from Reggie this year. Despite all the improvements since last year it's still a west coast offense and the Eagles still have major receiving threats at RB and TE to steal passes from Reggie. In an offense that doesn't spread the ball around as much I think Reggie could be a 75/1100/10 guy. But not in Philly's offense.

You have got to be kidding? Prior to getting Stallworth, the Eagles had the worst receivers in the League this side of the Patriots.Reggie Brown

Hank Baskett (undrafted free agent)

Todd Pinkston (injured, good chance he doesnt come back this year)

Greg Lewis

Jason Avant (3rd round pick this year)

Jabar Gaffney (huge dissapointment, likely not to make the team)

That is a putrid group of receivers and is not a DEEP group at all.

Since the inception of the forward pass I can't think of a worse receiving unit. Reggie Brown and Avant have a great upside but the rest of the unit is absolute trash. When an undrafted free agent can be in the running for the #2 WR job you have some big issue. Even with Stallworth they still have one of the poorest if not the poorest group of WRs in the league. A tragic mix of underachievement, raw talent, experience, and alligator arms.

Not defending the Philly WRs here at all as I think they are a poor unit as well, but on the bold underlined portion above, ever heard of Rod Smith? I think that turned out pretty well for the Broncos.

So thats one good undrafted WR out of how many since the early 1990s? 500? 1000?How did Rod do his rookie season?

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Since the inception of the forward pass I can't think of a worse receiving unit.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/phi1999.htm

Holy crap. You win.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Yes, Reggie is still the clear number 1 in Philly. Stallworth won't change that. Even without Stallworth you could expect a sizeable bump in Brown's numbers. Last year he had an injured Mcnabb, Mcmahon and Detmer as his QBs. Philly's Oline was absolutely putrid last year. Not to mention he was a rookie. With a healthy (and by the looks of it mid season form) Mcnabb, an Oline that seems to have improved and a year of experience under his belt, expect better numbers. The addition of Stallworth helps too. Stallworth is a burner and a deep threat, so defenses will have to keep an eye on him. The Eagles are incredibly deep (that doesn't necessarily mean incredibly talented) at WR, with Jabar Gaffney potentially being their number 6. I don't think many teams have a number 6 as good as Gaffney.I'd expect 65/900/7 from Reggie this year. Despite all the improvements since last year it's still a west coast offense and the Eagles still have major receiving threats at RB and TE to steal passes from Reggie. In an offense that doesn't spread the ball around as much I think Reggie could be a 75/1100/10 guy. But not in Philly's offense.

You have got to be kidding? Prior to getting Stallworth, the Eagles had the worst receivers in the League this side of the Patriots.Reggie Brown

Hank Baskett (undrafted free agent)

Todd Pinkston (injured, good chance he doesnt come back this year)

Greg Lewis

Jason Avant (3rd round pick this year)

Jabar Gaffney (huge dissapointment, likely not to make the team)

That is a putrid group of receivers and is not a DEEP group at all.

Since the inception of the forward pass I can't think of a worse receiving unit. Reggie Brown and Avant have a great upside but the rest of the unit is absolute trash. When an undrafted free agent can be in the running for the #2 WR job you have some big issue. Even with Stallworth they still have one of the poorest if not the poorest group of WRs in the league. A tragic mix of underachievement, raw talent, experience, and alligator arms.

Not defending the Philly WRs here at all as I think they are a poor unit as well, but on the bold underlined portion above, ever heard of Rod Smith? I think that turned out pretty well for the Broncos.

So thats one good undrafted WR out of how many since the early 1990s? 500? 1000?How did Rod do his rookie season?

Good point Diesel. Yeah I think when you take one extreme example and apply it to every situation or comment you will likely hit something someday. Rod Smith is the exception and I do stand by my original statement.

 

[mo542]

Homer alert Well, as an Eagles die-hard, I’ll give you my evaluation. The Stallworth trade was made to back the safeties off and open up the underneath for Brown, Westbrook, and Smith. Brown is the undisputed #1 target (at receiver) and this move will only give him more room to operate in the middle. So IMO, if you drafted Brown or Westbrook you are in good shape. Tangent: Ironically, I think this move actually hurts Stallworth’s value. He is replacing Pinkston and will be taking on his role (deep threat.) Now I think that Stallworth is better than Pinkston, but he still has to learn the offense; I don’t think you see Stallworth’s full potential until next season. That being said, my best guess for his numbers this year is around what Pinkston put up in 2004; 36 rec , 676 yards, 1 TD. I’m guessing 45 rec, 750 yards, and 3 TD’s.

As a Saints homer I just wanted to let you know what you are in for. An amazingly fast WR who can't run a pattern, is nicknamed Stonhands for a very good reason, and tends to tweak his vaginismus muscle every few weeks. Stallworth has dropped enough big passes to make him a deficit to the Saints and am personally glad he is gone. We just needed to ship Devery with him. We are deep enough to get rid of those two.Saints got a servicable LB (who can't be much worse than what we've got already) and a path to go out and get Donnie Edwards. A solid LB corps is really what the Saints need. We blled a little at WR - but that is OK since our two draft picks look incredible and we have tons of talent and depth there. Devery aside, of course.I wish you luck as you curse week after week when Stonehands is either hurt or dropping 3rd and 7 passes...

Sounds like Pinkston (pre injury) with more speed. I checked out what some Saints fans had to say about him and that is why I stand by my projections (45 rec, 750 yards, and 3 TD’s.) I think he will be a servicable deep threat that is used to open up the middle for Brown, Wesbrook, and LJ. So I say look for better numbers from those three.

 

[zadok]

it hurst Brown a little, but not much. helps McNabb a lot.Stallworth - 65/875/5Brown - 60/790/4

No way in hell Stallworth catches more passes than Brown.

 

[joffer]

it hurst Brown a little, but not much. helps McNabb a lot.Stallworth - 65/875/5Brown - 60/790/4

No way in hell Stallworth catches more passes than Brown.

why?

 

[zadok]

it hurst Brown a little, but not much. helps McNabb a lot.Stallworth - 65/875/5Brown - 60/790/4

No way in hell Stallworth catches more passes than Brown.

why?

The X never catches more than the ZBrown is more well-roundedStallworth has to learn the offense from scratchThis is all assuming Stallworth is healthy all year and picks up at least some plays.

 

[Sand]

Homer alert Well, as an Eagles die-hard, I’ll give you my evaluation. The Stallworth trade was made to back the safeties off and open up the underneath for Brown, Westbrook, and Smith. Brown is the undisputed #1 target (at receiver) and this move will only give him more room to operate in the middle. So IMO, if you drafted Brown or Westbrook you are in good shape. Tangent: Ironically, I think this move actually hurts Stallworth’s value. He is replacing Pinkston and will be taking on his role (deep threat.) Now I think that Stallworth is better than Pinkston, but he still has to learn the offense; I don’t think you see Stallworth’s full potential until next season. That being said, my best guess for his numbers this year is around what Pinkston put up in 2004; 36 rec , 676 yards, 1 TD. I’m guessing 45 rec, 750 yards, and 3 TD’s.

As a Saints homer I just wanted to let you know what you are in for. An amazingly fast WR who can't run a pattern, is nicknamed Stonhands for a very good reason, and tends to tweak his vaginismus muscle every few weeks. Stallworth has dropped enough big passes to make him a deficit to the Saints and am personally glad he is gone. We just needed to ship Devery with him. We are deep enough to get rid of those two.Saints got a servicable LB (who can't be much worse than what we've got already) and a path to go out and get Donnie Edwards. A solid LB corps is really what the Saints need. We blled a little at WR - but that is OK since our two draft picks look incredible and we have tons of talent and depth there. Devery aside, of course.I wish you luck as you curse week after week when Stonehands is either hurt or dropping 3rd and 7 passes...

Sounds like Pinkston (pre injury) with more speed. I checked out what some Saints fans had to say about him and that is why I stand by my projections (45 rec, 750 yards, and 3 TD’s.) I think he will be a servicable deep threat that is used to open up the middle for Brown, Wesbrook, and LJ. So I say look for better numbers from those three.

I agree - he will be servicable, as long as he is not hurt. He does have Road Runner "vapor trail" type speed, so he is a viable deep threat. Just don't expect him to actually make those catches. He is incredible inconsistent, though, and will frustrate the Eagles the same way he frustrated us.

 

[mo542]

Homer alert Well, as an Eagles die-hard, I’ll give you my evaluation. The Stallworth trade was made to back the safeties off and open up the underneath for Brown, Westbrook, and Smith. Brown is the undisputed #1 target (at receiver) and this move will only give him more room to operate in the middle. So IMO, if you drafted Brown or Westbrook you are in good shape. Tangent: Ironically, I think this move actually hurts Stallworth’s value. He is replacing Pinkston and will be taking on his role (deep threat.) Now I think that Stallworth is better than Pinkston, but he still has to learn the offense; I don’t think you see Stallworth’s full potential until next season. That being said, my best guess for his numbers this year is around what Pinkston put up in 2004; 36 rec , 676 yards, 1 TD. I’m guessing 45 rec, 750 yards, and 3 TD’s.

As a Saints homer I just wanted to let you know what you are in for. An amazingly fast WR who can't run a pattern, is nicknamed Stonhands for a very good reason, and tends to tweak his vaginismus muscle every few weeks. Stallworth has dropped enough big passes to make him a deficit to the Saints and am personally glad he is gone. We just needed to ship Devery with him. We are deep enough to get rid of those two.Saints got a servicable LB (who can't be much worse than what we've got already) and a path to go out and get Donnie Edwards. A solid LB corps is really what the Saints need. We blled a little at WR - but that is OK since our two draft picks look incredible and we have tons of talent and depth there. Devery aside, of course.I wish you luck as you curse week after week when Stonehands is either hurt or dropping 3rd and 7 passes...

Sounds like Pinkston (pre injury) with more speed. I checked out what some Saints fans had to say about him and that is why I stand by my projections (45 rec, 750 yards, and 3 TD’s.) I think he will be a servicable deep threat that is used to open up the middle for Brown, Wesbrook, and LJ. So I say look for better numbers from those three.

He is incredible inconsistent, though, and will frustrate the Eagles the same way he frustrated us.

Well then he’ll fit right in Philly. Quick scouting report on Simoneau:He is an undersized LB, but is versatile; probably his best trait. He is one of those players that is a very good backup, but not a good starter. He moves nicely and is decent in coverage, but will get pushed around pretty easily in the run game. I think he was a valuable backup in Philly, but is not starter material.

 

[Chairshot]

I'm not a big fan of Stallworth but I don't see why he won't come close to his numbers last year.

Philly throws the ball plenty, granted alot of those passes go to Westbrook. But if you look at the games where Owens played last year, they are willing to air it out.

Now I'm not saying that Stallworth is Owens, obviously he isn't. But I think Philly *wants* to throw the ball down field but just hasn't had the players to do it. Stallworth, if nothing else, lets them air it out.

His catches will probably go down a bit but I wouldn't be surprised if his yards and TDs stayed in the same world. He has a better QB and a much better offense as a whole to work with.

 

[switz]

I think everyone is WAY overestimating Stallworth's part on the Eagles.

He is in no way a WCO WR, he has no hands, and can't run routes. Plus he's not the smartest player around, and will struggle to pick up the offense.

I would not be surprised if a WR already on the Eagles beats Stallworth out of a starting role early in the season.

 

[Sidewinder]

I think everyone is WAY overestimating Stallworth's part on the Eagles.He is in no way a WCO WR ...

Maybe he doesn't fit the prototypical profile of a WCO WR, but he did play in the system for his first 3 years -- Mike McCarthy was the OC during that span and the Saints ran a version of the WCO.

 

[packersfan]

I think everyone is WAY overestimating Stallworth's part on the Eagles.He is in no way a WCO WR ...

Maybe he doesn't fit the prototypical profile of a WCO WR, but he did play in the system for his first 3 years -- Mike McCarthy was the OC during that span and the Saints ran a version of the WCO.

Yup. I posted this in the trade thread yesterday. I would expect Stallworth's learning curve for the Philly offense to be very smooth. The biggest obstacle will likely be terminology since that's often the primary difference between the teams which run variations of the WCO. But the basic stuff for the passing game is pretty much the same from team to team. So Stallworth won't be learning a new offense from scratch; he'll be asked to learn an offense which he already is well-acquainted with on a number of levels.I like Brown a lot but I think Stallworth is the more talented WR. Whether he reaches his full potential is the question but I thought he was pretty good last season for the most part and clearly the superior WR in terms of production over Horn in New Orleans. I think he'll be a solid WR3 this year with Brown now becoming more of a fringe WR3/WR4 option.

 

[packersfan]

The X never catches more than the Z

That's typically true in the WCO but not always. In 1997, Robert Brooks was the flanker for the Packers and Antonio Freeman played the split end. As you said, the flanker is typically the No. 1 option in the WCO. But in 97, it was Freeman who was the Packers' top receiver.Antonio Freeman -- 81-1,243-12Robert Brooks -- 60-1,010-10

 

[phrozen]

Homer alert Well, as an Eagles die-hard, I’ll give you my evaluation. The Stallworth trade was made to back the safeties off and open up the underneath for Brown, Westbrook, and Smith. Brown is the undisputed #1 target (at receiver) and this move will only give him more room to operate in the middle. So IMO, if you drafted Brown or Westbrook you are in good shape. Tangent: Ironically, I think this move actually hurts Stallworth’s value. He is replacing Pinkston and will be taking on his role (deep threat.) Now I think that Stallworth is better than Pinkston, but he still has to learn the offense; I don’t think you see Stallworth’s full potential until next season. That being said, my best guess for his numbers this year is around what Pinkston put up in 2004; 36 rec , 676 yards, 1 TD. I’m guessing 45 rec, 750 yards, and 3 TD’s.

As a Saints homer I just wanted to let you know what you are in for. An amazingly fast WR who can't run a pattern, is nicknamed Stonhands for a very good reason, and tends to tweak his vaginismus muscle every few weeks. Stallworth has dropped enough big passes to make him a deficit to the Saints and am personally glad he is gone. We just needed to ship Devery with him. We are deep enough to get rid of those two.Saints got a servicable LB (who can't be much worse than what we've got already) and a path to go out and get Donnie Edwards. A solid LB corps is really what the Saints need. We blled a little at WR - but that is OK since our two draft picks look incredible and we have tons of talent and depth there. Devery aside, of course.I wish you luck as you curse week after week when Stonehands is either hurt or dropping 3rd and 7 passes...

as another diehard Saints fan I have to say Have fun with Dante Philly

 

[Leo2228]

Aug. 29, 2006 Associated Press

The Philadelphia Eagles have signed Mark Wahlberg to fill a wide receiver spot today. Team officials said he would compliment Reggie Brown and Donte Stallworth with his crazy sandlot skills. "He looks really good on film," said one anonymous coach. "He is invincible," said another.

 

[zadok]

The X never catches more than the Z

That's typically true in the WCO but not always. In 1997, Robert Brooks was the flanker for the Packers and Antonio Freeman played the split end. As you said, the flanker is typically the No. 1 option in the WCO. But in 97, it was Freeman who was the Packers' top receiver.Antonio Freeman -- 81-1,243-12Robert Brooks -- 60-1,010-10

I was referring to the Reid version of the WCO. But an interesting tidbit nonetheless!

 

[packersfan]

The X never catches more than the Z

That's typically true in the WCO but not always. In 1997, Robert Brooks was the flanker for the Packers and Antonio Freeman played the split end. As you said, the flanker is typically the No. 1 option in the WCO. But in 97, it was Freeman who was the Packers' top receiver.Antonio Freeman -- 81-1,243-12Robert Brooks -- 60-1,010-10

I was referring to the Reid version of the WCO. But an interesting tidbit nonetheless!

Reid was an assistant on that Packers team.

 

[zadok]

The X never catches more than the Z

That's typically true in the WCO but not always. In 1997, Robert Brooks was the flanker for the Packers and Antonio Freeman played the split end. As you said, the flanker is typically the No. 1 option in the WCO. But in 97, it was Freeman who was the Packers' top receiver.Antonio Freeman -- 81-1,243-12Robert Brooks -- 60-1,010-10

I was referring to the Reid version of the WCO. But an interesting tidbit nonetheless!

Reid was an assistant on that Packers team.

QB coach, not OC...What does this have to do with Reggie Brown again??

 

[Sidewinder]

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I like Brown a lot but I think Stallworth is the more talented WR. Whether he reaches his full potential is the question but I thought he was pretty good last season for the most part and clearly the superior WR in terms of production over Horn in New Orleans. I think he'll be a solid WR3 this year with Brown now becoming more of a fringe WR3/WR4 option.

Well, to be fair, Horn was hurt for a significant portion of last season. I'm assuming you are only talking about last year, but if you are talking about any prior seasons, Stallworth simply never outproduced Horn.

 

[packersfan]

The X never catches more than the Z

That's typically true in the WCO but not always. In 1997, Robert Brooks was the flanker for the Packers and Antonio Freeman played the split end. As you said, the flanker is typically the No. 1 option in the WCO. But in 97, it was Freeman who was the Packers' top receiver.Antonio Freeman -- 81-1,243-12Robert Brooks -- 60-1,010-10

I was referring to the Reid version of the WCO. But an interesting tidbit nonetheless!

Reid was an assistant on that Packers team.

QB coach, not OC...

True, but the principles of the WCO that learned came from his work on Holmgren's staff.

What does this have to do with Reggie Brown again??

I was merely replying to the post that said Brown would be guaranteed to be the top WR for Philly this season by virtue of the position he plays in the WCO. I think it may be a mistake to make that assumption and used the 97 Packers as an example of how the split end, not the flanker, was the No. 1 option in that WCO.

 

[packersfan]

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I like Brown a lot but I think Stallworth is the more talented WR. Whether he reaches his full potential is the question but I thought he was pretty good last season for the most part and clearly the superior WR in terms of production over Horn in New Orleans. I think he'll be a solid WR3 this year with Brown now becoming more of a fringe WR3/WR4 option.

Well, to be fair, Horn was hurt for a significant portion of last season. I'm assuming you are only talking about last year, but if you are talking about any prior seasons, Stallworth simply never outproduced Horn.

Agreed. I was talking about last season.

 

[TheLastDispatch]

Yes, Reggie is still the clear number 1 in Philly. Stallworth won't change that. Even without Stallworth you could expect a sizeable bump in Brown's numbers. Last year he had an injured Mcnabb, Mcmahon and Detmer as his QBs. Philly's Oline was absolutely putrid last year. Not to mention he was a rookie. With a healthy (and by the looks of it mid season form) Mcnabb, an Oline that seems to have improved and a year of experience under his belt, expect better numbers. The addition of Stallworth helps too. Stallworth is a burner and a deep threat, so defenses will have to keep an eye on him. The Eagles are incredibly deep (that doesn't necessarily mean incredibly talented) at WR, with Jabar Gaffney potentially being their number 6. I don't think many teams have a number 6 as good as Gaffney.I'd expect 65/900/7 from Reggie this year. Despite all the improvements since last year it's still a west coast offense and the Eagles still have major receiving threats at RB and TE to steal passes from Reggie. In an offense that doesn't spread the ball around as much I think Reggie could be a 75/1100/10 guy. But not in Philly's offense.

You have got to be kidding? Prior to getting Stallworth, the Eagles had the worst receivers in the League this side of the Patriots.Reggie Brown

Hank Baskett (undrafted free agent)

Todd Pinkston (injured, good chance he doesnt come back this year)

Greg Lewis

Jason Avant (3rd round pick this year)

Jabar Gaffney (huge dissapointment, likely not to make the team)

That is a putrid group of receivers and is not a DEEP group at all.

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No, I'm not kidding. If you read my post I said that DOESN'T mean TALENTED. Please read my whole post before attempting to ridicule it. Where did you come up with me saying it was a stellar group of WRs? I said they were deep. What team in the NFL has a number 6 WR as good as Gaffney? That's NOT saying Gaffney is good, just that he is much better than the average number 6. The Eagles have a lot of mid level WRs but no real standouts.

And can you please explain to me why it matters that Hank Baskeet was undrafted? Who cares where he was drafted? Have you seen him play? Has he been playing well? Yes, he has. So who gives a **** where he was drafted? Same applies for Avant, why does it matter where he was drafted? And why are you excluding Stallworth? I posted my comment AFTER they traded for him.

And by Pinkston "not coming back this year" I would assume you mean being traded because his injury is nowhere near serious enough for him to be put on the IR already. And if he is traded, do you honestly think they'll release Gaffney too, as per your "likely not to make the team" comment?

Thanks for your input...

 

[TheLastDispatch]

Yes, Reggie is still the clear number 1 in Philly. Stallworth won't change that. Even without Stallworth you could expect a sizeable bump in Brown's numbers. Last year he had an injured Mcnabb, Mcmahon and Detmer as his QBs. Philly's Oline was absolutely putrid last year. Not to mention he was a rookie. With a healthy (and by the looks of it mid season form) Mcnabb, an Oline that seems to have improved and a year of experience under his belt, expect better numbers. The addition of Stallworth helps too. Stallworth is a burner and a deep threat, so defenses will have to keep an eye on him. The Eagles are incredibly deep (that doesn't necessarily mean incredibly talented) at WR, with Jabar Gaffney potentially being their number 6. I don't think many teams have a number 6 as good as Gaffney.I'd expect 65/900/7 from Reggie this year. Despite all the improvements since last year it's still a west coast offense and the Eagles still have major receiving threats at RB and TE to steal passes from Reggie. In an offense that doesn't spread the ball around as much I think Reggie could be a 75/1100/10 guy. But not in Philly's offense.

You have got to be kidding? Prior to getting Stallworth, the Eagles had the worst receivers in the League this side of the Patriots.Reggie Brown

Hank Baskett (undrafted free agent)

Todd Pinkston (injured, good chance he doesnt come back this year)

Greg Lewis

Jason Avant (3rd round pick this year)

Jabar Gaffney (huge dissapointment, likely not to make the team)

That is a putrid group of receivers and is not a DEEP group at all.

Since the inception of the forward pass I can't think of a worse receiving unit. Reggie Brown and Avant have a great upside but the rest of the unit is absolute trash. When an undrafted free agent can be in the running for the #2 WR job you have some big issue. Even with Stallworth they still have one of the poorest if not the poorest group of WRs in the league. A tragic mix of underachievement, raw talent, experience, and alligator arms.

Not defending the Philly WRs here at all as I think they are a poor unit as well, but on the bold underlined portion above, ever heard of Rod Smith? I think that turned out pretty well for the Broncos.

So thats one good undrafted WR out of how many since the early 1990s? 500? 1000?How did Rod do his rookie season?

Good point Diesel. Yeah I think when you take one extreme example and apply it to every situation or comment you will likely hit something someday. Rod Smith is the exception and I do stand by my original statement.

Well, not really.In 1996 Eddie Kennison was taken before T.O.

In 1997 Ike Hilliard, Yatil Green, Reidel Anthony, and Rae Carruth were drafted before Derrick Mason.

In 1998 Kevin Dyson was Drafted before Randy Moss.

Also in 1998 Marcus Nash, Jerome Pathon, Jacquez Green, Germane Crowell, Pat Johnson, Tony Simmons, Joe Jurevicius, Brian Alford, E.G. Green, Jammi German, and Larry Shannon were drafted before Hines Ward.

In 1999 Donald Driver wasn't drafted till the 7th round (I spare you the boredom of listing everyone drafted before him)

In 2000 Darrell Jackson was drafted after players like Peter Warrick and Todd Pinkston.

In 2001 names like David Terrell and Freddie Mitchell went before Chad Johnson, Steve Smith, Reggie Wayne, and Chris Chambers.

Also that year T.J. Houshmnzadeh was drafted in the 7th round.

In 2002 players like Jabar Gaffney were drafted before Deion Branch. Also that year David Givens was drafted in the 7th round.

In 2003 Charles Rogers and Bethyl johnson were drafted before Anquan Boldin.

Where someone is drafted doesn't always reflect their talent (Tom Brady anyone?) So I'd have to disagree on that being a good point.

How many opportunities was Rod Smith given in his rookie year again?