Reggie Bush after Week One (1 Viewer)

[Marc Levin]

I just watched the highlights, and they were as impressive the second go-round as the first - he is a full gear quicker than everyone else on the field and makes moves noone else could make - his cutbacks are ankle breaking, his ability to find space is impressive, his instinctual vision is second to noone - he demonstrated all three of those skills in this game.

Uh, no.Deion Sanders had a gear that was quicker than anyone else on the field.Michael Vick has a gear that is quicker than anyone else on the field.They routinely did/do things that make you say "I cannot believe he outran that!"I've seen both of those guys absolutely embarass the rest of the NFL and turn corners and outrun tackles that seemed impossible.In NO way was Reggie Bush on that level today. Maybe he has that speed, I dunno. I didn't see it.

Now I REALLY know you lack all credibility.

Let me ask you this.Are you putting Reggie Bush on the same level as Deion Sanders in terms of breakaway ability? You said second-to-none.

Nope.I'm putting him on a higher level.I'm putting him on the Faulk-Sayers-Sanders level.Need anything else?

 

[flranger]

I just watched the highlights, and they were as impressive the second go-round as the first - he is a full gear quicker than everyone else on the field and makes moves noone else could make - his cutbacks are ankle breaking, his ability to find space is impressive, his instinctual vision is second to noone - he demonstrated all three of those skills in this game.

Uh, no.Deion Sanders had a gear that was quicker than anyone else on the field.Michael Vick has a gear that is quicker than anyone else on the field.They routinely did/do things that make you say "I cannot believe he outran that!"I've seen both of those guys absolutely embarass the rest of the NFL and turn corners and outrun tackles that seemed impossible.In NO way was Reggie Bush on that level today. Maybe he has that speed, I dunno. I didn't see it.

Now I REALLY know you lack all credibility.

Let me ask you this.Are you putting Reggie Bush on the same level as Deion Sanders in terms of breakaway ability? You said second-to-none.

Good lord, next you gonna bring out Willie Gault? Doesn't jump as high as Skeets Nemaiah. What about Bullet Bob Hayes. Geesh, at least compare him to guys that are actually still playing football.

 

[Marc Levin]

Good lord, next you gonna bring out Willie Gault? Doesn't jump as high as Skeets Nemaiah. What about Bullet Bob Hayes. Geesh, at least compare him to guys that are actually still playing football.

or his position of RB.

 

[FFdork]

I think the bottom line is whether he's going to see 20 touches on a consistent basis. He will be an every week starter (especially in PPR) if he does. He becomes Westbrook with considerably more talent at that point. On the other hand, it was just one week. He's the most talented player on offense, so teams will start to gameplan for him and adjust for how the Saints use him. I don't think they'll shut him down or anything, but he may not see 20 touches every game.

 

[King of the Jungle]

I watched most of the game.I think when you watch a player as hyped as Reggie Bush is, you expect to see plays where you say, "Wow! Only Reggie Bush could have made that play!"I didn't see anything like that with Reggie Bush today. The best play I saw was where he had a nice rush where he looked hard to tackle and it took like 5-7 Browns' defenders to bring him down - not bad for a guy who seemed to be more of a scatback.

Your statement actually makes Bush's debut seem more impressive. When (not if) he does make those "Bush" plays, the stats will reflect that even more.

 

[packersfan]

I think the bottom line is whether he's going to see 20 touches on a consistent basis. He will be an every week starter (especially in PPR) if he does. He becomes Westbrook with considerably more talent at that point. On the other hand, it was just one week. He's the most talented player on offense, so teams will start to gameplan for him and adjust for how the Saints use him. I don't think they'll shut him down or anything, but he may not see 20 touches every game.

Multiple reports have said the Saints plan to give Bush 20-25 touches a game. Based on what we saw today it's pretty clear those reports were on the mark. Teams will begin to adjust to Bush but given his talent it's very likely he'll be able to beat some and perhaps the majority of those adjustments. If Payton is any kind of a head coach at all that will enhance Bush's chances of success since he'll keep Bush one step ahead of the competition.I don't think we can expect Bush to get 8 receptions every game but what he loses in catches could be made up for in terms of carries. Keep in mind the Saints were ahead today which meant Deuce was still involved late in the game. Should the Saints be trailing it's likely Bush will be more of a factor and even when behind the Saints could give him carries to keep defenses honest and take advantage of his all-around skills. I think 20 touches or so a game is the floor for Bush. If anything happens to McAllister (a very likely proposition given McAllister's history of missing games in the past, not to mention him coming off a major knee injury) then Bush's value rises even more. The kid is good and he's legit. And it's pretty clear Payton is going to make sure he gets his hands on the ball A LOT this season.

 

[Shermanator]

All I know is...

New Orlean Saints 1 , Houston Texans 0

 

[Sidewinder]

I'd expect that to continue. Basically, it's Horn and Bush and that's it for the Saints' passing game. Brees isn't stupid - he's going to trust the guys who can deliver and right now the only guys he can trust are Horn and Bush.

Not exactly. Colston had 4 catches for 49 yds and a TD, plus had one target on a quick slant at the goal line where the CB jumped the route and broke up the pass. Can't remember if Colston had any other targets.

 

[BGP]

I just watched the highlights, and they were as impressive the second go-round as the first - he is a full gear quicker than everyone else on the field and makes moves noone else could make - his cutbacks are ankle breaking, his ability to find space is impressive, his instinctual vision is second to noone - he demonstrated all three of those skills in this game.

Uh, no.Deion Sanders had a gear that was quicker than anyone else on the field.Michael Vick has a gear that is quicker than anyone else on the field.They routinely did/do things that make you say "I cannot believe he outran that!"I've seen both of those guys absolutely embarass the rest of the NFL and turn corners and outrun tackles that seemed impossible.In NO way was Reggie Bush on that level today. Maybe he has that speed, I dunno. I didn't see it.

Now I REALLY know you lack all credibility.

Let me ask you this.Are you putting Reggie Bush on the same level as Deion Sanders in terms of breakaway ability? You said second-to-none.

Nope.I'm putting him on a higher level.I'm putting him on the Faulk-Sayers-Sanders level.Need anything else?

Well I really disagree with that.I have it as Deion Sanders and Michael Vick at the top.No way was Faulk above them. No way.Barry was probably the ultimate elusive RB. Extremely good but Sanders and Vick are still on a higher gear.Didn't see Gayle Sayers play.

 

[Marc Levin]

Fine, BGP, you win - he's not on the same gear as Vick.

He is second to one - Vick.

Better?

 

[BGP]

I just watched the highlights, and they were as impressive the second go-round as the first - he is a full gear quicker than everyone else on the field and makes moves noone else could make - his cutbacks are ankle breaking, his ability to find space is impressive, his instinctual vision is second to noone - he demonstrated all three of those skills in this game.

Uh, no.Deion Sanders had a gear that was quicker than anyone else on the field.Michael Vick has a gear that is quicker than anyone else on the field.They routinely did/do things that make you say "I cannot believe he outran that!"I've seen both of those guys absolutely embarass the rest of the NFL and turn corners and outrun tackles that seemed impossible.In NO way was Reggie Bush on that level today. Maybe he has that speed, I dunno. I didn't see it.

Now I REALLY know you lack all credibility.

Let me ask you this.Are you putting Reggie Bush on the same level as Deion Sanders in terms of breakaway ability? You said second-to-none.

Good lord, next you gonna bring out Willie Gault? Doesn't jump as high as Skeets Nemaiah. What about Bullet Bob Hayes. Geesh, at least compare him to guys that are actually still playing football.

I can remember loads of replays of both Deion Sanders and Michael Vick absolutely embarrasing everyone on the NFL field with their elusiveness and speed. If you missed those, I feel sorry for you.Wether or not Reggie Bush is able to do that I don't know. But I did not see a play today where Reggie Bush embarrased every defender on the field with the only thing stopping him being the end zone. Bush made some nice plays - just nothing eye-popping.Barry Sanders was able to do that - but I'd still put him a notch below.

 

[jurb26]

I can remember loads of replays of both Deion Sanders and Michael Vick absolutely embarrasing everyone on the NFL field with their elusiveness and speed. If you missed those, I feel sorry for you.Wether or not Reggie Bush is able to do that I don't know. But I did not see a play today where Reggie Bush embarrased every defender on the field with the only thing stopping him being the end zone. Bush made some nice plays - just nothing eye-popping.Barry Sanders was able to do that - but I'd still put him a notch below.

Those guys all had entire careers to produce a resume of plays.... Bush has had ONE GAME.

 

[BGP]

Fine, BGP, you win - he's not on the same gear as Vick.He is second to one - Vick.Better?

It'll be better when you want to apologize for the "credibility" slam.I'm not really interested in your ranting state right now.Grow up.

 

[Marc Levin]

I can remember loads of replays of both Deion Sanders and Michael Vick absolutely embarrasing everyone on the NFL field with their elusiveness and speed. If you missed those, I feel sorry for you.Wether or not Reggie Bush is able to do that I don't know. But I did not see a play today where Reggie Bush embarrased every defender on the field with the only thing stopping him being the end zone. Bush made some nice plays - just nothing eye-popping.Barry Sanders was able to do that - but I'd still put him a notch below.

Those guys all had entire careers to produce a resume of plays.... Bush has had ONE GAME.

It is REALLY not worth it, jurb.Just do what I did - realize BGP has ZERO credibility to judge Bush's talent level b/c he doesn't watch college ball and he was not impressed with Bush in the only game he has ever seen him in - and move on to praising Bush's talent level.I reiterate, he is quicker than anyone else on the field - a full gear quicker. He cuts back on a dime and is extremely elusive. He showed all that talent in his first game.A very impressive debut.

 

[Marc Levin]

Fine, BGP, you win - he's not on the same gear as Vick.He is second to one - Vick.Better?

It'll be better when you want to apologize for the "credibility" slam.I'm not really interested in your ranting state right now.Grow up.

Sorry, but you lack any credibility whatsoever to evaluate Bush's talent level - or how good his debut was.Statistically, he put up VERY good numbers for any top-drafted rookie RB - he put up pedestrian numbers from what I expect from Bush in his career. A most excellent debut - every time I saw him run in the pre, and in THIS game specifically, it is beyond clear to me that he is more talented than everyone else on the field. Everythign he did in college, he is doing in the pros.It's OK, BGP - by this time next year, you will know how silly it looks that you typed the words "ordinary talent" and "Reggie Bush" in the same sentence.

 

[4 - Digit Shark]

I watched most of the 1st half, and liked what I saw as a Bush owner. He was in on most plays and was targeted a ton. He was also targeted on a swing pass near the goal line where Brees threw it too low. Had it been a good throw he probably would of scored.

I watch very little college ball and only saw Bush play 2 - 3 times prior to today. To me he looked very patient, and does dance a lot. I think he'll need to make less cuts, but hell it was his first NFL game. He will do much better once he adapts to the pro game. He is fast, but he looks very relaxed when he runs, so I think it makes him look slower then he really is. Just the view from my untrained eye.

When taking Bush at 2:9 in my PPR league, I was thinking if he can get 10 - 15 carries per game and 65+ receptions he should do very well. After watching todays game I think those are safe bets as long as he stays healthy. Now he just needs to get into the endzone 8 - 10 times. I can easily see 175 - 200 carries and 70+ receptions.

 

[Monarch]

I am a Saints homer that stayed away from Bush in all of my drafts. I felt Deuce would steal all his TDs and was not sure about the Saints line. With that said, he looked awesome. The coaches used him on reverses, screens, punt returns, ... He will be real solid in PPR leagues. I am still not sure the Saints will score many TDs. Of course this was the Browns. I am interested in seeing how he does after his first two games when the Saints oline goes against NFC South opponents. The Saints defense looked good as well. Is it the Browns making them look good?

 

[FFdork]

I think the bottom line is whether he's going to see 20 touches on a consistent basis. He will be an every week starter (especially in PPR) if he does. He becomes Westbrook with considerably more talent at that point. On the other hand, it was just one week. He's the most talented player on offense, so teams will start to gameplan for him and adjust for how the Saints use him. I don't think they'll shut him down or anything, but he may not see 20 touches every game.

Multiple reports have said the Saints plan to give Bush 20-25 touches a game. Based on what we saw today it's pretty clear those reports were on the mark. Teams will begin to adjust to Bush but given his talent it's very likely he'll be able to beat some and perhaps the majority of those adjustments. If Payton is any kind of a head coach at all that will enhance Bush's chances of success since he'll keep Bush one step ahead of the competition.I don't think we can expect Bush to get 8 receptions every game but what he loses in catches could be made up for in terms of carries. Keep in mind the Saints were ahead today which meant Deuce was still involved late in the game. Should the Saints be trailing it's likely Bush will be more of a factor and even when behind the Saints could give him carries to keep defenses honest and take advantage of his all-around skills. I think 20 touches or so a game is the floor for Bush. If anything happens to McAllister (a very likely proposition given McAllister's history of missing games in the past, not to mention him coming off a major knee injury) then Bush's value rises even more. The kid is good and he's legit. And it's pretty clear Payton is going to make sure he gets his hands on the ball A LOT this season.

I agree with a lot of what you say here. I also saw the speculation that Bush would see 20+ touches, but I also saw legit opinions that he would be most effective at 15. After week 1, I'm more inclined to agree with you, BUT if Deuce stays heatly and begins to show his old form (obviously some big 'ifs'), that could definitely hurt his chances at 20 touches.

 

[4 - Digit Shark]

I don't need 320 touches.

I'll take 280, 200 carries and 80 receptions and be very happy.

 

[Marc Levin]

He is fast, but he looks very relaxed when he runs, so I think it makes him look slower then he really is. Just the view from my untrained eye.

I'd also say that the number of times he stops and starts makes him look slow - he bursts around people. In college, his speed was self-evident - if he juked the first defender on a reception, he was often gone with no chance for the safety to cut him off or catch him from behind.The only player I ever saw with his cutback ability was Barry Sanders - IMO, Barry Sanders and Gale Sayers have been the game's two most elusive players.

 

[Marc Levin]

I think the bottom line is whether he's going to see 20 touches on a consistent basis. He will be an every week starter (especially in PPR) if he does. He becomes Westbrook with considerably more talent at that point. On the other hand, it was just one week. He's the most talented player on offense, so teams will start to gameplan for him and adjust for how the Saints use him. I don't think they'll shut him down or anything, but he may not see 20 touches every game.

Multiple reports have said the Saints plan to give Bush 20-25 touches a game. Based on what we saw today it's pretty clear those reports were on the mark. Teams will begin to adjust to Bush but given his talent it's very likely he'll be able to beat some and perhaps the majority of those adjustments. If Payton is any kind of a head coach at all that will enhance Bush's chances of success since he'll keep Bush one step ahead of the competition.I don't think we can expect Bush to get 8 receptions every game but what he loses in catches could be made up for in terms of carries. Keep in mind the Saints were ahead today which meant Deuce was still involved late in the game. Should the Saints be trailing it's likely Bush will be more of a factor and even when behind the Saints could give him carries to keep defenses honest and take advantage of his all-around skills. I think 20 touches or so a game is the floor for Bush. If anything happens to McAllister (a very likely proposition given McAllister's history of missing games in the past, not to mention him coming off a major knee injury) then Bush's value rises even more. The kid is good and he's legit. And it's pretty clear Payton is going to make sure he gets his hands on the ball A LOT this season.

I agree with a lot of what you say here. I also saw the speculation that Bush would see 20+ touches, but I also saw legit opinions that he would be most effective at 15. After week 1, I'm more inclined to agree with you, BUT if Deuce stays heatly and begins to show his old form (obviously some big 'ifs'), that could definitely hurt his chances at 20 touches.

20 touches includes 3, 4, or more (with the Saints' D) return touches.He will probably most often have 13-15 touches from scrimmage.

 

[None_More_Black]

I think we can end the debate about how many touches Bush will get. The offense went through bush and they were leading the whole game. (should get more if they are behind because duece got 20 carries) This has to be good news to Bush owners. I did not think he would targeted as much as he was. I think an injury argument could be made, but he is more then a scat back at this point.

 

[Marc Levin]

I did not think he would targeted as much as he was. I think an injury argument could be made, but he is more then was never a scat back at this point.

:corrected:

 

[FFdork]

I think we can end the debate about how many touches Bush will get. The offense went through bush and they were leading the whole game. (should get more if they are behind because duece got 20 carries) This has to be good news to Bush owners. I did not think he would targeted as much as he was. I think an injury argument could be made, but he is more then a scat back at this point.

Are you sure we can end the debate after 1 game? After all, in the post above you a FBG staffmember says 13-15 from scrimmage.Oh, and I never saw him as a scat back (although I know you weren't speaking to me directly). I think he could be a feature back. However, if you have another talented RB the question becomes how is your team best served? You want to put him in position to make game-changing plays and stay healthy. I think there are ways to do that and get him 20+ touches, but I don't see it as a given...yet.

 

[Marc Levin]

Plus, on this board, debates are never ended.

 

[None_More_Black]

Always debates on this board, but what I wanted to see is if he could run through the tackles. He did so effectivly.(too many beers to spell this right) Never Know if he was the next J.J Arrington.

 

[softball]

Where's Lhucks?????

He takes vacations from the board when he is this wrong about a player.

I would say this, he looked great against a good defensive team. He'll look better against GB next week I think we could all agree...Then

Atl.

Car.

TB

PHI

BAL

TB

PIT

make up his next 7 games. Maybe you should wait to claim right/wrong before he plays that group??

Or just carry on with the love fest...Edit to add: If they use him that mcuh, and mix him up as much in the middle as today. He waon't make it...IMHO

 

[bumpman]

One thing in particular I noticed was that the Saints gave Bush goal-line carries in this game. He didn't score, but neither did Deuce in the very next carry. In any event, I don't think Bush will be giving all of the GL carries away to Deuce.

 

[Marc Levin]

If they use him that mcuh, and mix him up as much in the middle as today. He waon't make it...IMHO

Why?He ran between the tackles at USC. He caught passes over the middle. He has been tackled by big men his entire career. He has played on ST all the way through college. He has never missed a game.Not sure what the problem is and why so many people think Bush is like Tinker Bell and needs his touches managed.

 

[Marc Levin]

One thing in particular I noticed was that the Saints gave Bush goal-line carries in this game. He didn't score, but neither did Deuce in the very next carry. In any event, I don't think Bush will be giving all of the GL carries away to Deuce.

I tried watching the game as much as possible (Reggie Bush is actually the primary reason I switched back to DirecTV this year), and I didn't notice that - thanks for the info.

 

[Bob_Magaw]

i don't know if bush will put up receiving numbers like this on average...

but a lot of people insisted he ENTERED the league as one of the best receiving RB prospects in NFL history...

payton must have been taking notes & watching how chow used him at USC... if there was much doubt before whether payton was smart enough to realize what he has, i don't think there is anymore...

bush could have one of the best rookie seasons for a RB ever, IF...

he breaks the NFL record for receptions by a RB (centers with 102?)...

becomes the third RB to join the 1,000/1,000 club (rushing/receiving yards, join roger craig & faulk, who he is routinely compared with due to his WR-like hands & route running ability, as well as westbrook)...

leads the NFL in receptions at any position (has RB ever done this?)...

i agree it is encouraging to see how well he ran inside, answering a lot of doubters whether he was strong & built ruggedly enough to do so... this means he can pretty much be on the field for any situation... ie - he can have the touches of a feature RB, & is not a specialty back like ronnie harmon... LOL...

 

[Marino13]

How did Deuce look?

 

[Marc Levin]

Wrong thread.

Deuce looked good. The NO running game in general looked much better than I expected.

 

[podunker]

Payton knows how to use him, he coached Marshall Faulk in college. IMO Bush looked like a young Marshall Faulk when he first started with the Rams. The exceptions would be he is a little faster straight line speed than Faulk, and runs harder in between the tackles. Once he gets Faulks' head for the game, watch out. I watched the whole game. I drafted him in my PPR league thinking he would get 100-125 combined yards a game, with 5 catches a week. I didn't even think about TD's, but was hoping for 1 every other week. He looks like he could exceed those projections easily this year. He is confident without being cocky, which I like a lot. He was even in on some short yardage plays.

 

[bonesman]

If they use him that mcuh, and mix him up as much in the middle as today. He waon't make it...IMHO

Why?He ran between the tackles at USC. He caught passes over the middle. He has been tackled by big men his entire career. He has played on ST all the way through college. He has never missed a game.Not sure what the problem is and why so many people think Bush is like Tinker Bell and needs his touches managed.

i agree w/ softball... Reggie is no punk... but watching him today, i was saying to myself.... "he can't play like this every game over a whole season"... that's just the impression i got from seeing his body language today.... and yes, i saw him run for USC plenty (i live in SoCal)