Reggie Bush could join his first pro team as early as Sunday. Team sources told FOXSports.com that Bush and the New Orleans Saints agreed in principle on a 6-year deal that is sandwiched between Vince Young's contract at No. 3 and Mario Williams' at No. 1.
"This deal should be done as early as tomorrow," the source said.
When asked if there was anything that could hold up the deal, one team source said, "There shouldn't be anything. But you never know. All that's really left is for some language to be cleaned up in the deal."
The Titans' Young received $25.74 million in guarantees, while the No. 1 pick Williams of the Houston Texans was awarded $26.5 million in bonuses.
Bush was the second player chosen in the NFL draft and has missed the first two days of training camp practices.
To say the Saints are excited is an understatement. The night before the draft coach Sean Payton said he was working on a new offensive playbook to include Bush in a backfield with Deuce McAllister.
Why not? Bush wasn't going to pull a Benson and hold out for a long time. Deuce owners knew it and as one want them both to do well. If Reggie can carry the load Deuce may be great next year after being traded. 2007 should be his year.Hmmmm not good news for Deuce owners
Expect a trade with StL any day now, and the pick they get for him to go to SD for Donnie Edwards....
What about Bennett?
Stick a fork in McAllister, He's quite done now.![]()
Who knows at this point. I don't think this is fishing. RB's are becoming a dime a dozen in the NFL. 2007 a new group on RB's will enter the NFL. How valueable will a RB who can't stay healthy be. If he does stay healthy, most teams will look at him as RBBC back. Just myStick a fork in McAllister, He's quite done now.![]()
Ok, yeah right. McAllister is a long way from done. If anything Bush helps him recover and play without overextending himself, IMO. Yes, D.M. might be traded next year, IF Bush becomes Faulk2, but this year my money is on DM getting slightly more FF points then Bush. Next year, IF DM stays healthy, DM outscores Busch in FF and real NFL football on another team. Don't forget what kind of stud DM has proven himself to be on mediocre, at best, teams.
9 of the top 32 are unsigned.I'd like to hear from all those guys who said that Reggie would never sign with N.O. So many people said that the best Saints fans could hope for was a lengthy holdout. Bush held out for two days. Two Days. I don't know the numbers, but I bet half of the first round picks are still unsigned.
Kudos to the Saints front office and Bush's agent in getting this deal done so quickly.
As a Saints fan, I'm stoked.
I was one of 'em. Congrats Snot Bubbler, this is a huge day for Saints fans. You've got a lot of fun ahead of you.I'd like to hear from all those guys who said that Reggie would never sign with N.O. So many people said that the best Saints fans could hope for was a lengthy holdout. Bush held out for two days. Two Days. I don't know the numbers, but I bet half of the first round picks are still unsigned.
Kudos to the Saints front office and Bush's agent in getting this deal done so quickly.
As a Saints fan, I'm stoked.
As a football fan I'm happy to see Bush signed,sealed and delivered. I am a bit surprised that we haven't heard Joel Segal crowing about the wonderful contract that he negotiated for Reggie. Could it be that it's not that wonderful (relatively speaking) compared to Williams and Young? Texas has no state income tax,Tennessee taxes dividend and interest income only while Louisiana has a 6% state income tax on (net?) incomes over $25,000. Let's compare only the guaranteed portions of the contracts and assume that Bush gets the same $26.5M as Williams,and Young gets $25.7M. Initially Bush and Williams would be $800K ahead of Young but once the 6% Louisiana state income tax ($1.5M) is deducted from the Bush total his new total is actually $25M and drops him to third place. You and I could probably live with this minor slight but for many pro athletes respect is everything. Bush thought he would be drafted 1st, got drafted 2nd and now will have less take home pay than the 3rd pick. I would love to be a fly on the wall when Joel tries to explain how Williams and Young will have more guaranteed money in their pockets AFTER paying their agents fees than Bush will have BEFORE paying Segal his fees. I wonder how long it will be before Reggie lets the Saints know that he's feeling unloved and disrespected.I was one of 'em. Congrats Snot Bubbler, this is a huge day for Saints fans. You've got a lot of fun ahead of you.I'd like to hear from all those guys who said that Reggie would never sign with N.O. So many people said that the best Saints fans could hope for was a lengthy holdout. Bush held out for two days. Two Days. I don't know the numbers, but I bet half of the first round picks are still unsigned.
Kudos to the Saints front office and Bush's agent in getting this deal done so quickly.
As a Saints fan, I'm stoked.
As a football fan I'm happy to see Bush signed,sealed and delivered. I am a bit surprised that we haven't heard Joel Segal crowing about the wonderful contract that he negotiated for Reggie. Could it be that it's not that wonderful (relatively speaking) compared to Williams and Young? Texas has no state income tax,Tennessee taxes dividend and interest income only while Louisiana has a 6% state income tax on (net?) incomes over $25,000. Let's compare only the guaranteed portions of the contracts and assume that Bush gets the same $26.5M as Williams,and Young gets $25.7M. Initially Bush and Williams would be $800K ahead of Young but once the 6% Louisiana state income tax ($1.5M) is deducted from the Bush total his new total is actually $25M and drops him to third place. You and I could probably live with this minor slight but for many pro athletes respect is everything. Bush thought he would be drafted 1st, got drafted 2nd and now will have less take home pay than the 3rd pick. I would love to be a fly on the wall when Joel tries to explain how Williams and Young will have more guaranteed money in their pockets AFTER paying their agents fees than Bush will have BEFORE paying Segal his fees. I wonder how long it will be before Reggie lets the Saints know that he's feeling unloved and disrespected.
I think you're making a common mistake, which is looking at this team and seeing Deuce as the 1 and Bush as the 2. In reality, I think this will prove to be a 1A and 1B situation, with both players seeing 10-15 carries per week. Bush has the skills to translate those touches into big points, particularly when you factor in his receiving skills. I think it's highly likely that he'll be a top 20 RB in PPR leagues, and if Payton takes the kid gloves off then he could really surprise.I guess I'm just completely dumb to this whole Reggie Bush thing. I can't really understand how people think that Bush will have that big of an impact this season. OK, he'll line up at WR some, spell Deuce when needed, but barring an injury to Deuce really how many touches can Bush have?
I just don't get it. Bush is a rookie on a team with a All-pro caliber RB that has good receiving skills. So not that he wont overtake Deuce next season due to DM gets traded or something, but in 2006 I just don't see how Bush will be that valuable FF-wise.
Currently, I have Bush ranked 37th in my standard scoring league and 31st in my ppr league. I could see him top 25-30 at the highest, unless DM gets injured.
Could someone explain to me why they think Bush will have a considerable impact on FF this season?
About Deuce, when he took over the job in 2002, he played in everygame except 3 till 2004. In '05 he got hurt enough to end his season. Despite what people think about Deuce he's been decently durable. He's gained 1000+ yds in each of those season '02 - '04. About coming back from an injury, I can't really speak to, but I'd say the list is short of RBs who have great seasons coming back from that kind of injury. However, he has got experience in the NFL which Bush doesn't. Again I'm not saying in 2007 Bush wont be the feature back in NO, but I can't believe, given a guy's past history like Deuce that so many people are writing him off. The same thing is happening in NE. Dillon is still the man despite what people think. +--------------------------+-------------------------+Packer 7 i guess my counter to your post would go like this-
How long has it been since McAllister played a full season?
How many RBs have come back from major knee surgery the following season and had good years?
When is the last time a football prospect came into the league that was graded as high as Reggie Bush?
As a football fan I'm happy to see Bush signed,sealed and delivered. I am a bit surprised that we haven't heard Joel Segal crowing about the wonderful contract that he negotiated for Reggie. Could it be that it's not that wonderful (relatively speaking) compared to Williams and Young? Texas has no state income tax,Tennessee taxes dividend and interest income only while Louisiana has a 6% state income tax on (net?) incomes over $25,000. Let's compare only the guaranteed portions of the contracts and assume that Bush gets the same $26.5M as Williams,and Young gets $25.7M. Initially Bush and Williams would be $800K ahead of Young but once the 6% Louisiana state income tax ($1.5M) is deducted from the Bush total his new total is actually $25M and drops him to third place. You and I could probably live with this minor slight but for many pro athletes respect is everything. Bush thought he would be drafted 1st, got drafted 2nd and now will have less take home pay than the 3rd pick. I would love to be a fly on the wall when Joel tries to explain how Williams and Young will have more guaranteed money in their pockets AFTER paying their agents fees than Bush will have BEFORE paying Segal his fees. I wonder how long it will be before Reggie lets the Saints know that he's feeling unloved and disrespected.I was one of 'em. Congrats Snot Bubbler, this is a huge day for Saints fans. You've got a lot of fun ahead of you.I'd like to hear from all those guys who said that Reggie would never sign with N.O. So many people said that the best Saints fans could hope for was a lengthy holdout. Bush held out for two days. Two Days. I don't know the numbers, but I bet half of the first round picks are still unsigned.
Kudos to the Saints front office and Bush's agent in getting this deal done so quickly.
As a Saints fan, I'm stoked.
We have another one.I'd take Reggie Bush over Duece every single day, and twice on Sundays. I've seen every Saints game for at least the last 15 years. And let me tell you, to me, Duece isn't an elite RB. He's good, but far from elite. It seems like every time Duece gets a carry he's always stumbling toward the line of scrimmage. I can't tell you how many times I've seen him go down without being touched. He hits the hole in slow motion, and it takes him too long to accelerate. I'd much rather have had a "mind-healthy" Ricky Williams than Duece McAllister.About Deuce, when he took over the job in 2002, he played in everygame except 3 till 2004. In '05 he got hurt enough to end his season. Despite what people think about Deuce he's been decently durable. He's gained 1000+ yds in each of those season '02 - '04. About coming back from an injury, I can't really speak to, but I'd say the list is short of RBs who have great seasons coming back from that kind of injury. However, he has got experience in the NFL which Bush doesn't. Again I'm not saying in 2007 Bush wont be the feature back in NO, but I can't believe, given a guy's past history like Deuce that so many people are writing him off. The same thing is happening in NE. Dillon is still the man despite what people think. +--------------------------+-------------------------+Packer 7 i guess my counter to your post would go like this-
How long has it been since McAllister played a full season?
How many RBs have come back from major knee surgery the following season and had good years?
When is the last time a football prospect came into the league that was graded as high as Reggie Bush?
| Rushing | Receiving |
+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+
| Year TM | G | Att Yards Y/A TD | Rec Yards Y/R TD |
+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+
| 2001 nor | 16 | 16 91 5.7 1 | 15 166 11.1 1 |
| 2002 nor | 15 | 325 1388 4.3 13 | 47 352 7.5 3 |
| 2003 nor | 16 | 351 1641 4.7 8 | 69 516 7.5 0 |
| 2004 nor | 14 | 269 1074 4.0 9 | 34 228 6.7 0 |
| 2005 nor | 5 | 93 335 3.6 3 | 17 117 6.9 0 |
+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+
| TOTAL | 66 | 1054 4529 4.3 34 | 182 1379 7.6 4 |
As far as Bush being graded so highly coming into the league, that's someone's opinion. Those "people" have been wrong as many times as they've been right. At this moment we don't know if Bush will be awful, good, or great in the NFL. My guess is great, but we don't know.
Utter nonsense. Since when do you hear the media or the athletes talk about the "after taxes" value of a contract ? Never.As a football fan I'm happy to see Bush signed,sealed and delivered. I am a bit surprised that we haven't heard Joel Segal crowing about the wonderful contract that he negotiated for Reggie. Could it be that it's not that wonderful (relatively speaking) compared to Williams and Young? Texas has no state income tax,Tennessee taxes dividend and interest income only while Louisiana has a 6% state income tax on (net?) incomes over $25,000. Let's compare only the guaranteed portions of the contracts and assume that Bush gets the same $26.5M as Williams,and Young gets $25.7M. Initially Bush and Williams would be $800K ahead of Young but once the 6% Louisiana state income tax ($1.5M) is deducted from the Bush total his new total is actually $25M and drops him to third place. You and I could probably live with this minor slight but for many pro athletes respect is everything. Bush thought he would be drafted 1st, got drafted 2nd and now will have less take home pay than the 3rd pick. I would love to be a fly on the wall when Joel tries to explain how Williams and Young will have more guaranteed money in their pockets AFTER paying their agents fees than Bush will have BEFORE paying Segal his fees. I wonder how long it will be before Reggie lets the Saints know that he's feeling unloved and disrespected.
Rough 2005 eh?WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOOO! (Bush owner in 4 dynasty leagues)![]()
We have another one.
lol. Believe it or not, no. Just I'm VERY active in my dynasty leagues, and did several trades to get the first pick. Not to brag, but in the 4 leagues i have Bush in, I have pretty strong squads.League 1-Rough 2005 eh?WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOOO! (Bush owner in 4 dynasty leagues)![]()
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Hmmmm not good news for Deuce owners
As a football fan I'm happy to see Bush signed,sealed and delivered. I am a bit surprised that we haven't heard Joel Segal crowing about the wonderful contract that he negotiated for Reggie. Could it be that it's not that wonderful (relatively speaking) compared to Williams and Young? Texas has no state income tax,Tennessee taxes dividend and interest income only while Louisiana has a 6% state income tax on (net?) incomes over $25,000. Let's compare only the guaranteed portions of the contracts and assume that Bush gets the same $26.5M as Williams,and Young gets $25.7M. Initially Bush and Williams would be $800K ahead of Young but once the 6% Louisiana state income tax ($1.5M) is deducted from the Bush total his new total is actually $25M and drops him to third place. You and I could probably live with this minor slight but for many pro athletes respect is everything. Bush thought he would be drafted 1st, got drafted 2nd and now will have less take home pay than the 3rd pick. I would love to be a fly on the wall when Joel tries to explain how Williams and Young will have more guaranteed money in their pockets AFTER paying their agents fees than Bush will have BEFORE paying Segal his fees. I wonder how long it will be before Reggie lets the Saints know that he's feeling unloved and disrespected.I was one of 'em. Congrats Snot Bubbler, this is a huge day for Saints fans. You've got a lot of fun ahead of you.I'd like to hear from all those guys who said that Reggie would never sign with N.O. So many people said that the best Saints fans could hope for was a lengthy holdout. Bush held out for two days. Two Days. I don't know the numbers, but I bet half of the first round picks are still unsigned.
Kudos to the Saints front office and Bush's agent in getting this deal done so quickly.
As a Saints fan, I'm stoked.It never ends, does it? First he wouldn't sign or he'd be out until into the season. And now, he's going to feel that he's unloved.
Could you guys please let us Louisianans feel a bit of joy. All this negativity is getting old and has been proven untrue.
As a football fan I'm happy to see Bush signed,sealed and delivered. I am a bit surprised that we haven't heard Joel Segal crowing about the wonderful contract that he negotiated for Reggie. Could it be that it's not that wonderful (relatively speaking) compared to Williams and Young? Texas has no state income tax,Tennessee taxes dividend and interest income only while Louisiana has a 6% state income tax on (net?) incomes over $25,000. Let's compare only the guaranteed portions of the contracts and assume that Bush gets the same $26.5M as Williams,and Young gets $25.7M. Initially Bush and Williams would be $800K ahead of Young but once the 6% Louisiana state income tax ($1.5M) is deducted from the Bush total his new total is actually $25M and drops him to third place. You and I could probably live with this minor slight but for many pro athletes respect is everything. Bush thought he would be drafted 1st, got drafted 2nd and now will have less take home pay than the 3rd pick. I would love to be a fly on the wall when Joel tries to explain how Williams and Young will have more guaranteed money in their pockets AFTER paying their agents fees than Bush will have BEFORE paying Segal his fees. I wonder how long it will be before Reggie lets the Saints know that he's feeling unloved and disrespected.I was one of 'em. Congrats Snot Bubbler, this is a huge day for Saints fans. You've got a lot of fun ahead of you.I'd like to hear from all those guys who said that Reggie would never sign with N.O. So many people said that the best Saints fans could hope for was a lengthy holdout. Bush held out for two days. Two Days. I don't know the numbers, but I bet half of the first round picks are still unsigned.
Kudos to the Saints front office and Bush's agent in getting this deal done so quickly.
As a Saints fan, I'm stoked.It never ends, does it? First he wouldn't sign or he'd be out until into the season. And now, he's going to feel that he's unloved.
Could you guys please let us Louisianans feel a bit of joy. All this negativity is getting old and has been proven untrue.First it was "Tagliabue is going to engineer some trade to get Bush to a NY team", then it was "Bush will never play for the Saints, if he's drafted he'll sit out the year and re-enter next year". Then "he's going to hold out for a huge contract and miss most of the preseason/season." Now that he's signed "Bush is going to feel dis-respected because of state taxes" without mention of the fact that NFL players pay taxes in the states where the games are PLAYED not necessarily where the team is HQ'd. Also, the property taxes are lower in NO than the other cities, but this was a bogus argument in the first place, why am I arguing against it.
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