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if he could only run up the middle.
I don't see Miami using him as more than a change-of-pace/3rd down back, with D. Thomas still getting the bulk of the carries. They'll also use Bush in Wildcat situations too, I imagine, but Bush has proven he can't handle anything close to a full load, so I don't see him earning more than around 30% of the split, or maybe slightly higher at best. I suppose that's still an upgrade vs. what he would be looking at this year in New Orleans, but I'd still temper my expectations.
Some guy named Ingram says nope.
They re-signed Thomas for 4 years to be a back-up, or just insurance?
4 years, 4 mil guaranteed i think it is? not exactly a huge salary... not to mention it was worked out before they drafted ingram. i think ingram will have every opportunity to start and barring injury, i think he takes it and runs with it. pun intended.
I'm with ya, that is why I have the question marks, but why lose Bush if Thomas is "meaningless"?
not sure why meaningless is in quotes, i dont think anyone said that.
I meant to soften that by adding the quotes. If Ingram is the go to guy why keep either Thomas or Bush, when there are a whole stable of backs that saw quality time for Nor last year?
Because of money. Bush is way overpaid, and the Saints have already been trying to get him to restructure his contract, which he'll have to do for Miami too, so there's a chance this deal doesn't get done still. But in all likelihood, Bush was going to be cut so they didn't have to pay him the $12 mil or whatever it was supposed to be, so he'll be best-served to take the pay cut for the deal, since he's going to have to do it anyway if he's released.
Ok, I'll try this a different way, why did Thomas sign such a manageable contract to be a back-up. I get that Thomas signed before the draft but he has got to be a little pissed, no?
You answered your own question.I'm sorry you own Pierre Thomas, I own him in a league too, but he's second fiddle to Ingram this year and beyond. He'll certainly get carries, and Bush leaving certainly helps him as Thomas is a gifted receiver, but no, he's not "the man." Ingram is.
Not sure anyone will be "The Man" in NO. They're pretty well established as a RBBC.. And PT can certainly get the job done when healthy. Ingram owners looking for top 10 RB #'s will be disappointed...
RB is a position that doesn't require a lot of practice reps and requires less time with the playbook. Ingram will have to learn the blocking schemes, but all in all he should have no trouble being the lead back right out of the gate. Bank on it.
This is why FFL is fun - player evaluation! Someone will guess wrong/draft wrong on this. But someone will land the gem (if one emerges). On this, seasons rise and fall...
You said the same thing about Donald Brown 2 years ago and he has less than 800 career rushing yards and still struggles with pass-blocking after two full off-seasons. Ingram is going to a team which has a similar emphasis on the passing game and he will need coaching before he is trusted to pass block or even with the complex saints scheme. This offseason he hasn't been getting that and with another capable back there it won't be a priority. Maybe if he were on a team which had a greater emphasis on the running game or wasn't a contender the team would spend time with him during the season, but the Saints have more important goals in mind than grooming a rookie running back.
Brown's problem isn't learning, it's that he's not any good.
In 2011? You predicting injury to PT? When was the last time 1 RB got 75% of the carries in NO? Or, When was the last time a rookie RB got 75%?
Yeah 75% is kinda crazy. I think Pierre becomes the passing situation/3rd down back and Ivory will be the bell cow back up.
Very few rookie RB's are able to have an immediate impact.PT is a RB2/Flex play and as long as you keep that in mind you won't be disappointed.If he gets a good number of carries in the early games and produces while Ingram is learning the ropes then you sell high or hold him as the RB2/Flex player that he is.As far as Bush goes, he showed more willingness to put his head down and take on defenders last year but he's never going to be a workhorse. Another RB2/Flex player at best.
i think they are looking to replicate the 1-2 punch from the SB season. ingram and thomas will split carries. as for ivory, there was talk that he would spend time on the PUP list while he recovers from surgery. he's just insurance.
Is there a chance we can keep this on the DL since Moore's ADP is currently 139?
I'm not a big fan of comparing "Damn it Donald" to Ingram, let alone any other RB in the NFL.
Put me down for Lance Moore later in the draft.
Good post and lol @ all the poor fools who draft Ingram expecting anything other than pedistrian numbers this year. I seem to remember a RYAN MATTHEWS last year who was getting picked up in the early second round. As it turned out, he was a little bit more on par with MIKE TOLBERT (who?) than Adrian Peterson or Chris johnson!!!!Sorry friends, this is the NFL. Like anything else, there is a pecking order and if Ingram wants to start, he will have to wrest the job away from PT. Now, if PT gets injured and MI steps in and plays awesome, that is another story. But right now, the only thing you schleps have to deal with are 'what ifs?'. Ingram is a great play in dynasty leagues or in leagues where you can get him in the middle rounds and keep him, but if you are picking in a straight up redraft, he is worth a 5th to 6th round pick. Remember that there are plenty of players that people have thought to be awesome that have failed. Also figuire in that much of this 'awesomeness' is fanboy projection based on what he did in college (reality check:not the NFL). Real NFL scouts apparently didn't think he was such a sure thing, as 27 other teams passed on him, so flaws are certainly there. Don't get me wrong, I am not saying he will be a surefire bust. He might be good. But to get vaue this year, one of two things needs to happen: a. PT must go down, or b. he will need to show such dominance that there will be no way to keep him out. Somehow I think b. is a little bit of a stretch seeing that they have Brees back there slinging passes for more tha half the game.
i'm not expecting much really. NO was expected to cut Reggie after all.
Hear hear. I was honestly sitting on pins and needles wondering if he would really be let go and finally the moment is here. We won a Super Bowl despite Reggie's suckitude and me-first mentality. Finally we're clear of divas. Goodbye, loser.I expect Raggie Bush to still suck. I expect him to take a play designed up the middle where he could of easily got 3 to 4 yards, but he wanted the homerun, so he bounced it outside for a 5 yeard loss, thats what I predict an average play for him to be..... oh the days of Reggie are done.
Seems to be an Ingram thread, no? lol
This. A combination of the recently re-signed Lance Moore and Pierre Thomas will roughly fulfill the Reggie-Bush role in the offense.Something that could change that situation: if Ingram has an Edgerrin-James or MJD type rookie season, he could relegate Thomas to deep-down-the-bench role. However, Sean Payton -- like most teams these days -- believes in keeping guys fresh whenever possible.
Ingram's had a playbook since the one-day lockout injunction (a week after the drat). He had also been participating in voluntary player-run OTAs to pick up the mental aspects of the offense. Plus he'll have a full training camp. He's not all that far behind.
Sclereth was talking about the deal on Mike & Mike, but didn't mention the compensation. Will check around.
Oof. I dunno, Dolphins fans. Not a Reggie hater at all, but if he turns into a very poor man's Marshall Faulk for you guys ... well, that would be a side to his game he's never shown before. A game here, a play there, yes. But as the 16-game bellcow for a team's rushing attack?Reggie will try very hard for you guys, however. Hard to think his body won't break down fairly quickly, but until then you'll get huge effort. He has improved at not dancing around the last two seasons ,,, just never stayed healthy enough to show it off.
Interesting.
Dolphins | No longer after Ahmad Bradshaw?
Haha, 75%! Ingram owners sure are optimistic. 75% doesn't happen very often in the NFL. Especially when you've got capable guys to give the starter a breather. If I was an Ingram owner I'd be more than happy with 60%.How does every thread turn into an Ingram thread anyway? Should we be talking about Miami? I think it will be interesting to see Bush get a new start. However, I don't think going from turf to sludge will be good for him.I've never been a fan. Was going to be pissed if the Texans drafted him or VY. But there's always a point where people give up on a guy to the extent that he becomes a value play. Not sure how this will affect his draft position, but if Miami doesn't sign any other RBs, it's hard to imagine he wouldn't have some value. There is always a chance that Thomas is a bust and Reggie gets to carry a load simply due to a lack of real competition.
Moore inherits most of Bush's routes.
