Reggie Bush vs Steven Jackson in PPR (1 Viewer)

[ProBowler88]

In my league Bush is #1 and Jackson is #7

Things didn't look too well with the return of Deuce on Sunday he got 20 carries and looked much more efficient than Bush. Will this trend continue now that Deuce looks healthy again?

SJax is the feature back on a bad team but should still produce good stats as long as he stays healthy, the offense goes thru him, he also is heavily involved in the passing game.

Who would you rather have going forward and why?

 

[jpeace121]

IMHO it's Jackson, because he's consistent. Bush will crush it a few weeks, but you'll have some weeks where he disappears. This is mitigated if your league gives points for return yards, but it's still an issue to deal with when you have Bush, and especially moreso when Deuce is healthy.

Also, Bush is really more suited to play WR in this league. He just doesn't seem to have what it takes to be a complete, effective RB. He does his damage when he gets out in space, not in between the tackles. SJax can give you 3-5 yards when you need it (if his OL can get healthy), but he has the speed to break it long if he gets to the 2nd level of the defense.

 

[KellysHeroes]

no one is more valuable than Bush in PPR... no one. He had one bad game.... wait until Shock and Colston come back, and Duecy isn't going to finish the season... no way.

 

[tomarken]

no one is more valuable than Bush in PPR... no one.

I love Bush in PPR, but this isn't true.

 

[North]

Bush, we've got Bush!

 

[the spanker]

no one is more valuable than Bush in PPR... no one.

I love Bush in PPR, but this isn't true.

How isn't it true? Bush is more explosive than SJAX, plays in a high octane offense that puts up mega points, where no one can focus on him. Meanwhile SJAX always seems to have the groin problems, has no one to take a lot of focus off of him other than Holt who isn't the same and is constantly double covered to begin with PLUS STL O-line will do nothing against the better ranked D-lines in the league.Bush in PPR exploded already in one game with 11 catches just to start! 11 catches! You can argue all you want about consistency but I'll take Bush ANY DAY OF THE WEEK over Sjax and the one dimensional Rams.

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

The thing that Jackson has going for him-- when healthy-- is that he's an every-down back. Every down. 1st-and-10. 3rd-and-long. 1st-and-goal. It's all Jackson, all the time. No doubt that New Orleans is the superior offense, but Bush splits the backfield with another RB (McAllister right now) and it's a pass-happy offense. When targets like Shockey and Colston return, I only see that opening it up more. Bush is involved in the passing game, but it's not like he's the only option.

Contrast that with the Rams. If Holt isn't open, who gets the ball? If they want to run, who gets the ball? It's not like Jackson is a heavily-used scrub on a bad team. He's a heavily-used elite RB on a bad team. if Jackson was a workhorse back who didn't catch, Bush is the winner here. But he's THE runner and the 1A receiver on a team with few options. I have to say Jackson if health isn't an issue.

 

[jwojdylo]

gotta take bush; rbs, even though he isnt a true rb, always rack up more points..

 

[the_future420]

I don't know, but I'm sure glad I've got both of them. I guess if you put a gun to my head I would take SJax, but its close. Man is it close.

 

[drew726]

bush is a reallife flex

 

[the spanker]

The thing that Jackson has going for him-- when healthy-- is that he's an every-down back. Every down. 1st-and-10. 3rd-and-long. 1st-and-goal. It's all Jackson, all the time. No doubt that New Orleans is the superior offense, but Bush splits the backfield with another RB (McAllister right now) and it's a pass-happy offense. When targets like Shockey and Colston return, I only see that opening it up more. Bush is involved in the passing game, but it's not like he's the only option. Contrast that with the Rams. If Holt isn't open, who gets the ball? If they want to run, who gets the ball? It's not like Jackson is a heavily-used scrub on a bad team. He's a heavily-used elite RB on a bad team. if Jackson was a workhorse back who didn't catch, Bush is the winner here. But he's THE runner and the 1A receiver on a team with few options. I have to say Jackson if health isn't an issue.

Sorry dude you're debating an uphill battle here. You just stated it yourself, when the other guys return all it's going to do is open it up even more for Bush! McCallister will help the Saints move the chains even more while keeping Bush even fresher to make more explosive plays dude. That's why SJAX gets beat up and has health problems in the first place is because his offense is one dimensional and no one to help open up the lanes. Plus Bush even goes to the role as a return man when the games are close making him even more valuable in PPR and leagues that award for return yardage. Even without return yardage Bush is hands down more valuable in PPR. Sorry dude and BTW I'll take Westy before SJax anyday as being more valuable too.

 

[tomarken]

no one is more valuable than Bush in PPR... no one.

I love Bush in PPR, but this isn't true.

How isn't it true? Bush is more explosive than SJAX, plays in a high octane offense that puts up mega points, where no one can focus on him. Meanwhile SJAX always seems to have the groin problems, has no one to take a lot of focus off of him other than Holt who isn't the same and is constantly double covered to begin with PLUS STL O-line will do nothing against the better ranked D-lines in the league.Bush in PPR exploded already in one game with 11 catches just to start! 11 catches! You can argue all you want about consistency but I'll take Bush ANY DAY OF THE WEEK over Sjax and the one dimensional Rams.

I'm not comparing Bush to SJax. I was responding to your claim that "no one is more valuable than Bush in PPR... no one." In my PPR league last year, Bush was the #11 RB. In 2006 he was the #9 RB. I know this off the top of my head because I've owned him in that league since his rookie year (and I drafted him this year in my other PPR league as well). I LOVE him in PPR, but he is not the most valuable RB in that format. I know for a fact that Tomlinson and Westbrook have outperformed Bush in PPR each of the past two years, and I bet there are more (Gore probably, for one, and possibly Jackson). SJax has, at the very least, been right there with Bush.

 

[the spanker]

no one is more valuable than Bush in PPR... no one.

I love Bush in PPR, but this isn't true.

How isn't it true? Bush is more explosive than SJAX, plays in a high octane offense that puts up mega points, where no one can focus on him. Meanwhile SJAX always seems to have the groin problems, has no one to take a lot of focus off of him other than Holt who isn't the same and is constantly double covered to begin with PLUS STL O-line will do nothing against the better ranked D-lines in the league.Bush in PPR exploded already in one game with 11 catches just to start! 11 catches! You can argue all you want about consistency but I'll take Bush ANY DAY OF THE WEEK over Sjax and the one dimensional Rams.

I'm not comparing Bush to SJax. I was responding to your claim that "no one is more valuable than Bush in PPR... no one." In my PPR league last year, Bush was the #11 RB. In 2006 he was the #9 RB. I know this off the top of my head because I've owned him in that league since his rookie year (and I drafted him this year in my other PPR league as well). I LOVE him in PPR, but he is not the most valuable RB in that format. I know for a fact that Tomlinson and Westbrook have outperformed Bush in PPR each of the past two years, and I bet there are more (Gore probably, for one, and possibly Jackson). SJax has, at the very least, been right there with Bush.

I never said Bush was the most valuable in PPR, your mixing me up with another post here. I simply said he's more valuable ithan SJAX in PPR. I agree with you that LT and Westy are more valuable but Bush is right after them with Gore in the mix.

 

[tomarken]

no one is more valuable than Bush in PPR... no one.

I love Bush in PPR, but this isn't true.

How isn't it true? Bush is more explosive than SJAX, plays in a high octane offense that puts up mega points, where no one can focus on him. Meanwhile SJAX always seems to have the groin problems, has no one to take a lot of focus off of him other than Holt who isn't the same and is constantly double covered to begin with PLUS STL O-line will do nothing against the better ranked D-lines in the league.Bush in PPR exploded already in one game with 11 catches just to start! 11 catches! You can argue all you want about consistency but I'll take Bush ANY DAY OF THE WEEK over Sjax and the one dimensional Rams.

I'm not comparing Bush to SJax. I was responding to your claim that "no one is more valuable than Bush in PPR... no one." In my PPR league last year, Bush was the #11 RB. In 2006 he was the #9 RB. I know this off the top of my head because I've owned him in that league since his rookie year (and I drafted him this year in my other PPR league as well). I LOVE him in PPR, but he is not the most valuable RB in that format.

I know for a fact that Tomlinson and Westbrook have outperformed Bush in PPR each of the past two years, and I bet there are more (Gore probably, for one, and possibly Jackson). SJax has, at the very least, been right there with Bush.

I never said Bush was the most valuable in PPR, your mixing me up with another post here. I simply said he's more valuable ithan SJAX in PPR. I agree with you that LT and Westy are more valuable but Bush is right after them with Gore in the mix.

Sorry, I was responding to the claim that "no one is more valuable than Bush in PPR... no one." You questioned my post, so I responded.In any case, I'm not necessarily disagreeing with the opinion that Bush is more valuable than Jackson. But it's a lot closer than you seem to think.

 

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

no one is more valuable than Bush in PPR... no one. He had one bad game.... wait until Shock and Colston come back, and Duecy isn't going to finish the season... no way.

Ever heard of Brian Westbrook? By FAR more valuable than Bush. Gore is also outdoing Bush right now in my PPR league. Gore is actually #1.

 

[the spanker]

no one is more valuable than Bush in PPR... no one. He had one bad game.... wait until Shock and Colston come back, and Duecy isn't going to finish the season... no way.

Ever heard of Brian Westbrook? By FAR more valuable than Bush. Gore is also outdoing Bush right now in my PPR league. Gore is actually #1.

Not in my league. Currently Bush has scored 100.25 while Gore has scored 84.50. Even after the bad week for Bush he's still comfortably ahead of Gore.SJAX is in the 6th spot has 74 points. While surprisingly Forte, Barber and Turner take up the 3rd, 4th, and 5th spots with 79.90, 79.40 and 76.40 respectively

 

[KingEl]

no one is more valuable than Bush in PPR... no one.

I love Bush in PPR, but this isn't true.

How isn't it true? Bush is more explosive than SJAX, plays in a high octane offense that puts up mega points, where no one can focus on him. Meanwhile SJAX always seems to have the groin problems, has no one to take a lot of focus off of him other than Holt who isn't the same and is constantly double covered to begin with PLUS STL O-line will do nothing against the better ranked D-lines in the league.Bush in PPR exploded already in one game with 11 catches just to start! 11 catches! You can argue all you want about consistency but I'll take Bush ANY DAY OF THE WEEK over Sjax and the one dimensional Rams.

Bush isn't more explosive than SJAX! Look at the big plays over the past few years Jackson has put up compared to Bush, He has multiple 20,30.40 yds runs and receptions vs. barely any for Bush.. Bush looks better this year definitly, but Jackson will still end up with just as many big runs/receptions if not more.

 

[MCguidance]

Pretty good post - I'll take either.

 

[KellysHeroes]

no one is more valuable than Bush in PPR... no one. He had one bad game.... wait until Shock and Colston come back, and Duecy isn't going to finish the season... no way.

Ever heard of Brian Westbrook? By FAR more valuable than Bush. Gore is also outdoing Bush right now in my PPR league. Gore is actually #1.

I Play in a 1 PPR / 10 yds a pt... and Bush is still RB#1; 5.5 pts over Gore and thats w/ out the SP TD he scored in week 2. So you must have a bonus pt system.LOL to this thread... SJax has one good game and people have him back up the tops of Rankings. SJax is on one of the bottom 3 teams in the league... how good do u think hes going to do this yr, Then throw in the Injury history. You want to say that when Holt is covered that SJax is 1a... you don't think Defenses are going to Stack the box on him and shut him down. Theres 2 Playmakers on that Team w/ no O-Line.

Bush has one dud game and people are jumping ship... ofcourse production is going to go down w/ the WR/TE core taking hits... After Colston and Shockey, who else is the DC going to focus on??? Reggie of course. When he steps on the field, every Defense player on the field is going to totally keyed on him.

Now, you want to talk about last yr... do the weekly Avg and Reggie finish RB#6.. thats w/ the terrible start NO in the 1st 3 games.

Westbrook is amazing RB in PPR... you can't argue that, but his health is an issue. LT is getting up there in age.

In PPR, Reggie is #1 for me...

 

[tomarken]

no one is more valuable than Bush in PPR... no one. He had one bad game.... wait until Shock and Colston come back, and Duecy isn't going to finish the season... no way.

Ever heard of Brian Westbrook? By FAR more valuable than Bush. Gore is also outdoing Bush right now in my PPR league. Gore is actually #1.

I Play in a 1 PPR / 10 yds a pt... and Bush is still RB#1; 5.5 pts over Gore and thats w/ out the SP TD he scored in week 2. So you must have a bonus pt system.LOL to this thread... SJax has one good game and people have him back up the tops of Rankings. SJax is on one of the bottom 3 teams in the league... how good do u think hes going to do this yr, Then throw in the Injury history. You want to say that when Holt is covered that SJax is 1a... you don't think Defenses are going to Stack the box on him and shut him down. Theres 2 Playmakers on that Team w/ no O-Line.

Bush has one dud game and people are jumping ship... ofcourse production is going to go down w/ the WR/TE core taking hits... After Colston and Shockey, who else is the DC going to focus on??? Reggie of course. When he steps on the field, every Defense player on the field is going to totally keyed on him.

Now, you want to talk about last yr... do the weekly Avg and Reggie finish RB#6.. thats w/ the terrible start NO in the 1st 3 games.

Westbrook is amazing RB in PPR... you can't argue that, but his health is an issue. LT is getting up there in age.

In PPR, Reggie is #1 for me...

Steven Jackson has missed four games in the past two years. Brian Westbrook has missed three games in the past two years.

Reggie Bush has missed four games in the past two years.

You're holding it against Steven Jackson that DC's will focus on shutting him down, but then using that as an excuse for Reggie Bush.

You're citing weekly averages for Bush but not doing the same for Jackson.

Let's be fair now. If you like Bush better than Jackson, that's fine. So do I, actually. But it's very close, and the way you've tried to justify your opinion is severely flawed.

 

[Football fever]

no one is more valuable than Bush in PPR... no one.

I love Bush in PPR, but this isn't true.

How isn't it true? Bush is more explosive than SJAX, plays in a high octane offense that puts up mega points, where no one can focus on him. Meanwhile SJAX always seems to have the groin problems, has no one to take a lot of focus off of him other than Holt who isn't the same and is constantly double covered to begin with PLUS STL O-line will do nothing against the better ranked D-lines in the league.Bush in PPR exploded already in one game with 11 catches just to start! 11 catches! You can argue all you want about consistency but I'll take Bush ANY DAY OF THE WEEK over Sjax and the one dimensional Rams.

Wow do you guys ever look at stats? How could you ever say Bush is more explosive than S.Jackson? for starters did you know that over the past 3yrs SJAX has 14 plays from the line of scrimage of over 30 yds. Bush only 4. In a 6 game span last yr (week 11-16) Jackson broke off runs of 37,53,50,54,46 and 36 The longest run Bush has ever had is 26 yds!!! As far as PPR goes Jackson is on pace for 80+ rec not to bad.The one thing that Bush does have on his side is that his team is much better but I think by the end of the yr Jackson ends up with more fantasy points.

 

[sib]

no one is more valuable than Bush in PPR... no one. He had one bad game.... wait until Shock and Colston come back, and Duecy isn't going to finish the season... no way.

Ever heard of Brian Westbrook? By FAR more valuable than Bush. Gore is also outdoing Bush right now in my PPR league. Gore is actually #1.

I Play in a 1 PPR / 10 yds a pt... and Bush is still RB#1; 5.5 pts over Gore and thats w/ out the SP TD he scored in week 2. So you must have a bonus pt system.LOL to this thread... SJax has one good game and people have him back up the tops of Rankings. SJax is on one of the bottom 3 teams in the league... how good do u think hes going to do this yr, Then throw in the Injury history. You want to say that when Holt is covered that SJax is 1a... you don't think Defenses are going to Stack the box on him and shut him down. Theres 2 Playmakers on that Team w/ no O-Line.

Bush has one dud game and people are jumping ship... ofcourse production is going to go down w/ the WR/TE core taking hits... After Colston and Shockey, who else is the DC going to focus on??? Reggie of course. When he steps on the field, every Defense player on the field is going to totally keyed on him.

Now, you want to talk about last yr... do the weekly Avg and Reggie finish RB#6.. thats w/ the terrible start NO in the 1st 3 games.

Westbrook is amazing RB in PPR... you can't argue that, but his health is an issue. LT is getting up there in age.

In PPR, Reggie is #1 for me...

Steven Jackson has missed four games in the past two years. Brian Westbrook has missed three games in the past two years.

Reggie Bush has missed four games in the past two years.

You're holding it against Steven Jackson that DC's will focus on shutting him down, but then using that as an excuse for Reggie Bush.

You're citing weekly averages for Bush but not doing the same for Jackson.

Let's be fair now. If you like Bush better than Jackson, that's fine. So do I, actually. But it's very close, and the way you've tried to justify your opinion is severely flawed.

Don't forget about the Deuce excuse as well. Deuce got 20 carries last week; thus Bush had an off week. Just wait till Deuce gets injured and Reggie Bush will be a monster again

 

[MCguidance]

Pretty good post - I'll take either.

Posting as I think of more to say. So now I will add that I think I would like Sjax slightly over Bush in PPR (Bush owner, too). However, I don't feel that tells the whole story as I think that for a true comparison we have to factor in value (ie draft position and cost of drafting Sjax top 5 overall vs. round 2+ for Bush). Personally, I think people with Bush are likely doing better than owners that have Sjax if only because the Bush owners may also have another quality back in addition to Bush whereas Sjax owners are less likely to have gotten a monster back like Bush with their next pick. Obviously this varies from draft to draft and person to person, but I would be willing to bet that PPR owners that have Bush are doing better if only because of that reason. Getting Bush where I got him afforded me the opportunity to get Barber round 1, Fitz 2, Bush 3. Just my opinion, what do you guys think?

 

[tomarken]

Pretty good post - I'll take either.

Posting as I think of more to say. So now I will add that I think I would like Sjax slightly over Bush in PPR (Bush owner, too). However, I don't feel that tells the whole story as I think that for a true comparison we have to factor in value (ie draft position and cost of drafting Sjax top 5 overall vs. round 2+ for Bush). Personally, I think people with Bush are likely doing better than owners that have Sjax if only because the Bush owners may also have another quality back in addition to Bush whereas Sjax owners are less likely to have gotten a monster back like Bush with their next pick. Obviously this varies from draft to draft and person to person, but I would be willing to bet that PPR owners that have Bush are doing better if only because of that reason. Getting Bush where I got him afforded me the opportunity to get Barber round 1, Fitz 2, Bush 3. Just my opinion, what do you guys think?

In the MFL Draftmasters PPR redraft I got Westbrook at 1.03 and then Bush at 2.10. I'm 4-0.

 

[MCguidance]

Pretty good post - I'll take either.

Posting as I think of more to say. So now I will add that I think I would like Sjax slightly over Bush in PPR (Bush owner, too). However, I don't feel that tells the whole story as I think that for a true comparison we have to factor in value (ie draft position and cost of drafting Sjax top 5 overall vs. round 2+ for Bush). Personally, I think people with Bush are likely doing better than owners that have Sjax if only because the Bush owners may also have another quality back in addition to Bush whereas Sjax owners are less likely to have gotten a monster back like Bush with their next pick. Obviously this varies from draft to draft and person to person, but I would be willing to bet that PPR owners that have Bush are doing better if only because of that reason. Getting Bush where I got him afforded me the opportunity to get Barber round 1, Fitz 2, Bush 3. Just my opinion, what do you guys think?

In the MFL Draftmasters PPR redraft I got Westbrook at 1.03 and then Bush at 2.10. I'm 4-0.

Out of curiosity what were the first picks of the owner who took Sjax and what's his record?

 

[Buckeyedawgs]

I still say SJAX! bUSH HAD 3 GOOD GAMES BEFORE mCallister returned that is!

sjax cant be stoped even being the main focus of defenses! Plus S.L will figure a way to make defenses pay for lineing up on sjax.

Reggie can be stopped. proven 75% of the time! (25% so far this year)

now Bush did drop to a fair value this year for ADP.

SJAX ADP of 1.3 to 1.5 was not as great a value as Bush this year on average.

But the qq asked who is more valuable and over the long haul of the yea asumeing both stay healthy which is a big if there is no doubt sjax wins!

 

[tomarken]

Pretty good post - I'll take either.

Posting as I think of more to say. So now I will add that I think I would like Sjax slightly over Bush in PPR (Bush owner, too). However, I don't feel that tells the whole story as I think that for a true comparison we have to factor in value (ie draft position and cost of drafting Sjax top 5 overall vs. round 2+ for Bush). Personally, I think people with Bush are likely doing better than owners that have Sjax if only because the Bush owners may also have another quality back in addition to Bush whereas Sjax owners are less likely to have gotten a monster back like Bush with their next pick. Obviously this varies from draft to draft and person to person, but I would be willing to bet that PPR owners that have Bush are doing better if only because of that reason. Getting Bush where I got him afforded me the opportunity to get Barber round 1, Fitz 2, Bush 3. Just my opinion, what do you guys think?

In the MFL Draftmasters PPR redraft I got Westbrook at 1.03 and then Bush at 2.10. I'm 4-0.

Out of curiosity what were the first picks of the owner who took Sjax and what's his record?

He took Andre Johnson in the 2nd, Jamal Lewis in the 3rd - here's his whole draft. He's 3-1... and his one loss was to me.

 

[tomarken]

I still say SJAX! bUSH HAD 3 GOOD GAMES BEFORE mCallister returned that is! sjax cant be stoped even being the main focus of defenses! Plus S.L will figure a way to make defenses pay for lineing up on sjax. Reggie can be stopped. proven 75% of the time! (25% so far this year)now Bush did drop to a fair value this year for ADP. SJAX ADP of 1.3 to 1.5 was not as great a value as Bush this year on average. But the qq asked who is more valuable and over the long haul of the yea asumeing both stay healthy which is a big if there is no doubt sjax wins!

I don't know, for some reason I don't think Scott Linehan is going to be able to do anything about defenses "lineing" up on Jackson.

 

[MCguidance]

Pretty good post - I'll take either.

Posting as I think of more to say. So now I will add that I think I would like Sjax slightly over Bush in PPR (Bush owner, too). However, I don't feel that tells the whole story as I think that for a true comparison we have to factor in value (ie draft position and cost of drafting Sjax top 5 overall vs. round 2+ for Bush). Personally, I think people with Bush are likely doing better than owners that have Sjax if only because the Bush owners may also have another quality back in addition to Bush whereas Sjax owners are less likely to have gotten a monster back like Bush with their next pick. Obviously this varies from draft to draft and person to person, but I would be willing to bet that PPR owners that have Bush are doing better if only because of that reason. Getting Bush where I got him afforded me the opportunity to get Barber round 1, Fitz 2, Bush 3. Just my opinion, what do you guys think?

In the MFL Draftmasters PPR redraft I got Westbrook at 1.03 and then Bush at 2.10. I'm 4-0.

Out of curiosity what were the first picks of the owner who took Sjax and what's his record?

He took Andre Johnson in the 2nd, Jamal Lewis in the 3rd - here's his whole draft. He's 3-1... and his one loss was to me.

Ha, nice. I am surprised he is 3-1, is he doing it with smoke and mirrors or solid play? It seems that almost every one of his picks is underperforming aside from Moose and Campbell

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

The thing that Jackson has going for him-- when healthy-- is that he's an every-down back. Every down. 1st-and-10. 3rd-and-long. 1st-and-goal. It's all Jackson, all the time. No doubt that New Orleans is the superior offense, but Bush splits the backfield with another RB (McAllister right now) and it's a pass-happy offense. When targets like Shockey and Colston return, I only see that opening it up more. Bush is involved in the passing game, but it's not like he's the only option. Contrast that with the Rams. If Holt isn't open, who gets the ball? If they want to run, who gets the ball? It's not like Jackson is a heavily-used scrub on a bad team. He's a heavily-used elite RB on a bad team. if Jackson was a workhorse back who didn't catch, Bush is the winner here. But he's THE runner and the 1A receiver on a team with few options. I have to say Jackson if health isn't an issue.

Sorry dude you're debating an uphill battle here. You just stated it yourself, when the other guys return all it's going to do is open it up even more for Bush! McCallister will help the Saints move the chains even more while keeping Bush even fresher to make more explosive plays dude. That's why SJAX gets beat up and has health problems in the first place is because his offense is one dimensional and no one to help open up the lanes. Plus Bush even goes to the role as a return man when the games are close making him even more valuable in PPR and leagues that award for return yardage. Even without return yardage Bush is hands down more valuable in PPR. Sorry dude and BTW I'll take Westy before SJax anyday as being more valuable too.

Well dude, we'll have to agree to disagree. There's only one football and the Saints have a lot of talent. Bush catches a lot of passes, but before the first three games this year he had an unimpressive YPC. I like Reggie Bush, but I see Jackson as a complete back and better option in PPR when both are healthy. But I think both are good options.

 

[KellysHeroes]

no one is more valuable than Bush in PPR... no one. He had one bad game.... wait until Shock and Colston come back, and Duecy isn't going to finish the season... no way.

Ever heard of Brian Westbrook? By FAR more valuable than Bush. Gore is also outdoing Bush right now in my PPR league. Gore is actually #1.

I Play in a 1 PPR / 10 yds a pt... and Bush is still RB#1; 5.5 pts over Gore and thats w/ out the SP TD he scored in week 2. So you must have a bonus pt system.LOL to this thread... SJax has one good game and people have him back up the tops of Rankings. SJax is on one of the bottom 3 teams in the league... how good do u think hes going to do this yr, Then throw in the Injury history. You want to say that when Holt is covered that SJax is 1a... you don't think Defenses are going to Stack the box on him and shut him down. Theres 2 Playmakers on that Team w/ no O-Line.

Bush has one dud game and people are jumping ship... ofcourse production is going to go down w/ the WR/TE core taking hits... After Colston and Shockey, who else is the DC going to focus on??? Reggie of course. When he steps on the field, every Defense player on the field is going to totally keyed on him.

Now, you want to talk about last yr... do the weekly Avg and Reggie finish RB#6.. thats w/ the terrible start NO in the 1st 3 games.

Westbrook is amazing RB in PPR... you can't argue that, but his health is an issue. LT is getting up there in age.

In PPR, Reggie is #1 for me...

Steven Jackson has missed four games in the past two years. Brian Westbrook has missed three games in the past two years.

Reggie Bush has missed four games in the past two years.

You're holding it against Steven Jackson that DC's will focus on shutting him down, but then using that as an excuse for Reggie Bush.

You're citing weekly averages for Bush but not doing the same for Jackson.

Let's be fair now. If you like Bush better than Jackson, that's fine. So do I, actually. But it's very close, and the way you've tried to justify your opinion is severely flawed.

Where did Reggie & SJax Finish last yr in ur PPR league last yr? In mine, Reggie was RB11 and SJax was RB15... and they both missed 3 games.Like I said, Westy is amazing in the scoring system... but look, hes already hurt. How many games is he going to be out from this injury?

And w/ defenses focusing on Bush.. its not an excuse; Bush's production is going to drop while the offense has those injuries; but it will comeback in a couple of weeks when Colston & Shock return. The Rams, what hope do they have?

 

[Sabertooth]

I was offered Sjax last week and turned it down. I just dont' see him as having the surrounding cast to do much. I think last week was the anomaly.

 

[tomarken]

Where did Reggie & SJax Finish last yr in ur PPR league last yr? In mine, Reggie was RB11 and SJax was RB15... and they both missed 3 games.

The bolded is incorrect. Anyway, last year in my PPR league (standard .1 per yard, 6 per TD, 1 PPR):Reggie Bush RB11

214.80 points in 12 games = 17.9 points per game

Steven Jackson RB13

198.80 points in 11 games = 18.1 points per game

Like I said, Westy is amazing in the scoring system... but look, hes already hurt. How many games is he going to be out from this injury?

One? Two? Even including last week, he's still missed fewer games in the past two years than Bush has.

And w/ defenses focusing on Bush.. its not an excuse; Bush's production is going to drop while the offense has those injuries; but it will comeback in a couple of weeks when Colston & Shock return. The Rams, what hope do they have?

The Rams won three games last year, were bottom-5 in total offense and were dead last in the NFL in point differential. They had "no hope" last year and Jackson still outproduced Bush on a per-game basis.I'm really sorry to have to bring facts into the discussion, as I'm sure you'd prefer to have everyone accept your opinion at face value. I've said it several times already and I'll say it again - I love Bush, and I would rather have him than Jackson this year in PPR. In fact, I DO have him in both of my PPR leagues this year.

If you also like Bush better than Jackson (or Westbrook, or whoever) that's great. But just admit that it's an opinion, because the "facts" you're using to defend it are flawed.

 

[GoRaiders]

Man, tough question. I own both guys in my ppr, and off the top I don't know which one I would rather have the rest of the way. Bush is better for me since he is a cheaper keeper for next year. However, if I was going to trade one away, I would probably get higher value for Bush as well, so keeping S Jax would be beneficial in that regards. So, if you are looking to trade for one of these dudes, going after S Jax, you would be able to buy at a lower price now, and at the end of the day, both players could end the season real close stat wise.

 

[the spanker]

Pretty good post - I'll take either.

Posting as I think of more to say. So now I will add that I think I would like Sjax slightly over Bush in PPR (Bush owner, too). However, I don't feel that tells the whole story as I think that for a true comparison we have to factor in value (ie draft position and cost of drafting Sjax top 5 overall vs. round 2+ for Bush). Personally, I think people with Bush are likely doing better than owners that have Sjax if only because the Bush owners may also have another quality back in addition to Bush whereas Sjax owners are less likely to have gotten a monster back like Bush with their next pick. Obviously this varies from draft to draft and person to person, but I would be willing to bet that PPR owners that have Bush are doing better if only because of that reason. Getting Bush where I got him afforded me the opportunity to get Barber round 1, Fitz 2, Bush 3. Just my opinion, what do you guys think?

In the MFL Draftmasters PPR redraft I got Westbrook at 1.03 and then Bush at 2.10. I'm 4-0.

Same here! I took Westy at 1.03 and Bush at 2.10. AJ in the third and Marshall in the 4th Bush is clearly the better value that's for sure.

 

[the spanker]

The thing that Jackson has going for him-- when healthy-- is that he's an every-down back. Every down. 1st-and-10. 3rd-and-long. 1st-and-goal. It's all Jackson, all the time. No doubt that New Orleans is the superior offense, but Bush splits the backfield with another RB (McAllister right now) and it's a pass-happy offense. When targets like Shockey and Colston return, I only see that opening it up more. Bush is involved in the passing game, but it's not like he's the only option. Contrast that with the Rams. If Holt isn't open, who gets the ball? If they want to run, who gets the ball? It's not like Jackson is a heavily-used scrub on a bad team. He's a heavily-used elite RB on a bad team. if Jackson was a workhorse back who didn't catch, Bush is the winner here. But he's THE runner and the 1A receiver on a team with few options. I have to say Jackson if health isn't an issue.

Sorry dude you're debating an uphill battle here. You just stated it yourself, when the other guys return all it's going to do is open it up even more for Bush! McCallister will help the Saints move the chains even more while keeping Bush even fresher to make more explosive plays dude. That's why SJAX gets beat up and has health problems in the first place is because his offense is one dimensional and no one to help open up the lanes. Plus Bush even goes to the role as a return man when the games are close making him even more valuable in PPR and leagues that award for return yardage. Even without return yardage Bush is hands down more valuable in PPR. Sorry dude and BTW I'll take Westy before SJax anyday as being more valuable too.

Any more questions here? Like I said, Reggie alone in his role as a return man makes him more valuable than SJax. CASE CLOSED.

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

The thing that Jackson has going for him-- when healthy-- is that he's an every-down back. Every down. 1st-and-10. 3rd-and-long. 1st-and-goal. It's all Jackson, all the time. No doubt that New Orleans is the superior offense, but Bush splits the backfield with another RB (McAllister right now) and it's a pass-happy offense. When targets like Shockey and Colston return, I only see that opening it up more. Bush is involved in the passing game, but it's not like he's the only option. Contrast that with the Rams. If Holt isn't open, who gets the ball? If they want to run, who gets the ball? It's not like Jackson is a heavily-used scrub on a bad team. He's a heavily-used elite RB on a bad team. if Jackson was a workhorse back who didn't catch, Bush is the winner here. But he's THE runner and the 1A receiver on a team with few options. I have to say Jackson if health isn't an issue.

Sorry dude you're debating an uphill battle here. You just stated it yourself, when the other guys return all it's going to do is open it up even more for Bush! McCallister will help the Saints move the chains even more while keeping Bush even fresher to make more explosive plays dude. That's why SJAX gets beat up and has health problems in the first place is because his offense is one dimensional and no one to help open up the lanes. Plus Bush even goes to the role as a return man when the games are close making him even more valuable in PPR and leagues that award for return yardage. Even without return yardage Bush is hands down more valuable in PPR. Sorry dude and BTW I'll take Westy before SJax anyday as being more valuable too.

Any more questions here? Like I said, Reggie alone in his role as a return man makes him more valuable than SJax. CASE CLOSED.

Case closed in week 5? You must play in an abbreviated league, or maybe you're talking about the FBG Survivor series? Also, not every league gives yards for returns (few do, actually). He's a dynamic player, but if you wanna crown him....

 

[Road Warriors]

The thing that Jackson has going for him-- when healthy-- is that he's an every-down back. Every down. 1st-and-10. 3rd-and-long. 1st-and-goal. It's all Jackson, all the time. No doubt that New Orleans is the superior offense, but Bush splits the backfield with another RB (McAllister right now) and it's a pass-happy offense. When targets like Shockey and Colston return, I only see that opening it up more. Bush is involved in the passing game, but it's not like he's the only option.

Contrast that with the Rams. If Holt isn't open, who gets the ball? If they want to run, who gets the ball? It's not like Jackson is a heavily-used scrub on a bad team. He's a heavily-used elite RB on a bad team. if Jackson was a workhorse back who didn't catch, Bush is the winner here. But he's THE runner and the 1A receiver on a team with few options. I have to say Jackson if health isn't an issue.

Sorry dude you're debating an uphill battle here. You just stated it yourself, when the other guys return all it's going to do is open it up even more for Bush! McCallister will help the Saints move the chains even more while keeping Bush even fresher to make more explosive plays dude. That's why SJAX gets beat up and has health problems in the first place is because his offense is one dimensional and no one to help open up the lanes. Plus Bush even goes to the role as a return man when the games are close making him even more valuable in PPR and leagues that award for return yardage. Even without return yardage Bush is hands down more valuable in PPR. Sorry dude and BTW I'll take Westy before SJax anyday as being more valuable too.

Any more questions here? Like I said, Reggie alone in his role as a return man makes him more valuable than SJax. CASE CLOSED.

XIts " /thread "

Get it right.

 

[the spanker]

The thing that Jackson has going for him-- when healthy-- is that he's an every-down back. Every down. 1st-and-10. 3rd-and-long. 1st-and-goal. It's all Jackson, all the time. No doubt that New Orleans is the superior offense, but Bush splits the backfield with another RB (McAllister right now) and it's a pass-happy offense. When targets like Shockey and Colston return, I only see that opening it up more. Bush is involved in the passing game, but it's not like he's the only option. Contrast that with the Rams. If Holt isn't open, who gets the ball? If they want to run, who gets the ball? It's not like Jackson is a heavily-used scrub on a bad team. He's a heavily-used elite RB on a bad team. if Jackson was a workhorse back who didn't catch, Bush is the winner here. But he's THE runner and the 1A receiver on a team with few options. I have to say Jackson if health isn't an issue.

Sorry dude you're debating an uphill battle here. You just stated it yourself, when the other guys return all it's going to do is open it up even more for Bush! McCallister will help the Saints move the chains even more while keeping Bush even fresher to make more explosive plays dude. That's why SJAX gets beat up and has health problems in the first place is because his offense is one dimensional and no one to help open up the lanes. Plus Bush even goes to the role as a return man when the games are close making him even more valuable in PPR and leagues that award for return yardage. Even without return yardage Bush is hands down more valuable in PPR. Sorry dude and BTW I'll take Westy before SJax anyday as being more valuable too.

Any more questions here? Like I said, Reggie alone in his role as a return man makes him more valuable than SJax. CASE CLOSED.

Case closed in week 5? You must play in an abbreviated league, or maybe you're talking about the FBG Survivor series? Also, not every league gives yards for returns (few do, actually). He's a dynamic player, but if you wanna crown him....

Um hello? You still get the TDs right? LOL stay in denial all you want and keep plugging away with Sajx...good luck bro

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

The thing that Jackson has going for him-- when healthy-- is that he's an every-down back. Every down. 1st-and-10. 3rd-and-long. 1st-and-goal. It's all Jackson, all the time. No doubt that New Orleans is the superior offense, but Bush splits the backfield with another RB (McAllister right now) and it's a pass-happy offense. When targets like Shockey and Colston return, I only see that opening it up more. Bush is involved in the passing game, but it's not like he's the only option. Contrast that with the Rams. If Holt isn't open, who gets the ball? If they want to run, who gets the ball? It's not like Jackson is a heavily-used scrub on a bad team. He's a heavily-used elite RB on a bad team. if Jackson was a workhorse back who didn't catch, Bush is the winner here. But he's THE runner and the 1A receiver on a team with few options. I have to say Jackson if health isn't an issue.

Sorry dude you're debating an uphill battle here. You just stated it yourself, when the other guys return all it's going to do is open it up even more for Bush! McCallister will help the Saints move the chains even more while keeping Bush even fresher to make more explosive plays dude. That's why SJAX gets beat up and has health problems in the first place is because his offense is one dimensional and no one to help open up the lanes. Plus Bush even goes to the role as a return man when the games are close making him even more valuable in PPR and leagues that award for return yardage. Even without return yardage Bush is hands down more valuable in PPR. Sorry dude and BTW I'll take Westy before SJax anyday as being more valuable too.

Any more questions here? Like I said, Reggie alone in his role as a return man makes him more valuable than SJax. CASE CLOSED.

Case closed in week 5? You must play in an abbreviated league, or maybe you're talking about the FBG Survivor series? Also, not every league gives yards for returns (few do, actually). He's a dynamic player, but if you wanna crown him....

Um hello? You still get the TDs right? LOL stay in denial all you want and keep plugging away with Sajx...good luck bro

Yes, I still get the TDs. Did Monday night's performance tip the scales for you? Maybe I've been playing for too long, but I don't base my entire "case" on a couple of special teams TDs...especially when few leagues bother to count the yards and that's only happened a dozen times in league history. I kind of wish I still had my newbie enthusiasm, though.But thanks for the good luck wishes. I own both Jackson AND Bush, so I'll keep plugging away like you suggested. Enjoy your season, guy.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Take out the TDs and Bush still had 100 total & 7 Recs against one of the best Run Ds in the league.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Where did Reggie & SJax Finish last yr in ur PPR league last yr? In mine, Reggie was RB11 and SJax was RB15... and they both missed 3 games.

The bolded is incorrect. Anyway, last year in my PPR league (standard .1 per yard, 6 per TD, 1 PPR):Reggie Bush RB11

214.80 points in 12 games = 17.9 points per game

Steven Jackson RB13

198.80 points in 11 games = 18.1 points per game

I'm really sorry to have to bring facts into the discussion, as I'm sure you'd prefer to have everyone accept your opinion at face value. I've said it several times already and I'll say it again - I love Bush, and I would rather have him than Jackson this year in PPR. In fact, I DO have him in both of my PPR leagues this year.

If you also like Bush better than Jackson (or Westbrook, or whoever) that's great. But just admit that it's an opinion, because the "facts" you're using to defend it are flawed.

During the Regular NFL season (Between Weeks 1 - 17) Both Guys played 12 games

Reggie Missed weeks 14 - 17

http://rotoworld.com/Content/playerpages/p...NFL&id=3600

Jackson Missed weeks 4 - 7

http://rotoworld.com/Content/playerpages/p...NFL&id=1663

Reggie scored a total of 214.8 pts / weekly avg of 17.9

Jackson scored a total of 205.4 pts / weekly avg of 17.117

on you throwing the facts in my face....

 

[the spanker]

Dude is in denial man. We both know what's going on here. Heck right now in PPR Bush has blown away SJax. And I BET in non-PPR leagues Bush is higher in scoring/production/total points. If both stay healthy my money is on Bush extending his lead further.

It's not even close.

 

[KellysHeroes]

another couple of TDs for Reggie, he most be leading the Leagues out of QBs for TDs right now.

 

[Moe Green]

Neither -- MBIII!!!

 

[sib]