Reggie Bush (1 Viewer)

[Dancing Bear]

I'd say his value in any type of league [ppr or non-ppr] will depend upon what you paid for him. Also the original post does not differentiate between whether you are concerned about a redraft or a dynasty league ...

Currently after Week #07 he is RB #34 with standard non-ppr scoring format with 8.00 ppg. This will surely be lower after Week #08 where he has now dropped to 7.0 ppg; I'd say he ends up somewhere around RB #40.

If you paid for him during the draft with a 1st, 2nd, 3rd, or 4th round pick, then I'd say you should probably try to re-group here and drink something other than the Reggie Bush Kool-Aid. If you picked him up later than that, then you probably can sit tight for a few more weeks to see if he turns things around.

If it is a redraft league, then you should probably see who else is out there. Ear-mark those players you would be interested in and then see what you can do to entice one of them away from the present owner. LenDale White, Brandon Jacobs, Jerious Norwood, or Leon Washington would be a few that I would consider.

If it is a dynasty league, then it really depends upon how much staying power you have. To me, he has not shown that he knows the NFL game and his potential based on performance is not comparable to many other possible RB's moving forward. His potential based on hype is still pretty high, but at some point he has to back up the hype with some reasonable performances [Please don't mention the punt return for a TD as indicative that he can play in the NFL; my 90 year old grandmother could have run down that sideline untouched]. He has a ypr which is only 63% of his counterpart. LenDale White for instance has a slightly better ypr than his counterpart. Jerious Norwood has a ypr 51% better than his counterpart. Brandon Jacobs has a 10% better than Tiki Barber and Barber is leading the NFL in yards from scrimmage.

Hope this helps ...

 

[packersfan]

I'd say his value in any type of league [ppr or non-ppr] will depend upon what you paid for him. Also the original post does not differentiate between whether you are concerned about a redraft or a dynasty league ...

Currently after Week #07 he is RB #34 with standard non-ppr scoring format with 8.00 ppg. This will surely be lower after Week #08 where he has now dropped to 7.0 ppg; I'd say he ends up somewhere around RB #40.

If you paid for him during the draft with a 1st, 2nd, 3rd, or 4th round pick, then I'd say you should probably try to re-group here and drink something other than the Reggie Bush Kool-Aid. If you picked him up later than that, then you probably can sit tight for a few more weeks to see if he turns things around.

If it is a redraft league, then you should probably see who else is out there. Ear-mark those players you would be interested in and then see what you can do to entice one of them away from the present owner. LenDale White, Brandon Jacobs, Jerious Norwood, or Leon Washington would be a few that I would consider.

If it is a dynasty league, then it really depends upon how much staying power you have. To me, he has not shown that he knows the NFL game and his potential based on performance is not comparable to many other possible RB's moving forward. His potential based on hype is still pretty high, but at some point he has to back up the hype with some reasonable performances [Please don't mention the punt return for a TD as indicative that he can play in the NFL; my 90 year old grandmother could have run down that sideline untouched]. He has a ypr which is only 63% of his counterpart. LenDale White for instance has a slightly better ypr than his counterpart. Jerious Norwood has a ypr 51% better than his counterpart. Brandon Jacobs has a 10% better than Tiki Barber and Barber is leading the NFL in yards from scrimmage.

Hope this helps ...

Good response. I should clarify things a bit to say I'm not soliciting opinions on what I should do with him. I know what I'm going to do. I am simply interested in what other Bush owners in non-PPR leagues are thinking and whether they are holding out any hope for him to show something and if so, why do they feel that way? I should also have been more clear in my original post and said I was thinking only of re-draft leagues. As far as his value being linked to his draft spot I would strongly disagree with that. Where Bush was drafted is now irrelevent. The only thing that matters is his current production and any future production people anticipate or expect from him. The fact is those of us in non-PPR leagues who took Bush with an early pick (I took him at the end of the second round) got a major league bust. There's no getting around that given his overall lack of production (I'm at least lucky in that we count individual return TDs in my league so I got credit for his touchdown against the Bucs). Reggie Bush has been a bust in these leagues and it's doubtful he does anything from here on out to justify his draft position.

So the question then becomes: Does he do anything to merit having faith in him? Can he show enough to even be a RB3 going forward (like you said his ranking is likely around 40 after this week)? Or is he doomed to simply repeat what he's shown thus far, essentially rendering him worthless for people in non-PPR leagues or at best a very weak RB3 in larger flex leagues?

Again, I know how I feel about him. I started him yesterday as my RB3 ahead of Marion Barber and I'm going to be kicking myself for a very long time over that decision. I know how I feel about him in my league and I know what my projections are for him going forward. But what I'm interested in finding out is whether other Bush owners in non-PPR re-draft leagues feel the same way or if they feel differently and what are the reasons for their points of view, be they positive or negative.

 

[packersfan]

I'd say after today the answer has to be no. It's really shocking how bad he is running the ball. He's clearly regressing as a RB and one could argue he's the worst rookie RB this season in terms of the ability to run the ball effectively. It probably won't happen but the Saints may want to seriously consider not giving Bush any carries. He's a horrible runner and McAllister is running well. Every time Bush got a carry today he hurt the team with it. He's really not a good running back at all right now.

 

[Courtjester]

I was going to bench him today in favor of Lundy and I talked myself out of it because I know the week I do it, it will be "that" week he goes off.

Again 2 fantasy points....

 

[cscmtp]

might as well move him to WR. I can live with that.

 

[packersfan]

might as well move him to WR. I can live with that.

22 receiving yards is pretty weak too. He's not even contributing in that area with any level of significance.

 

[Revo]

In a dynasty league, two weeks ago I dumped and dealt an unkeepable LT & Tom Brady for Bush and Leon Washington. Man, I don't even know if Bush is a great keeper for next season (at $12, $200 cap).

I'm debating offering him around for other keepers (Colston at $2, Leinart at $12). After today's debacle, I agree -- Deuce returns and Bush has another season like this in '07. Ugh.

 

[walkwithme]

The rest of the year I would say no starts for Bush. In a regular format, no return yards counted non ppr , I can't see a good reason to start him. People still playing him clearly have no options or simply don't want to miss the "jackpot" week when he goes off. Take for example I had one guy in my league continue to play Bush over F. Taylor even though Fred Taylor's stats were nice in consecutive weeks. Let's be honest here there are few RB#2's on their own team worthy of starting and Bush is not one of them this year. I still can't believe he was drafted in the second round in my league.

 

[knowledge dropper]

The rest of the year I would say no starts for Bush. In a regular format, no return yards counted non ppr , I can't see a good reason to start him. People still playing him clearly have no options or simply don't want to miss the "jackpot" week when he goes off. Take for example I had one guy in my league continue to play Bush over F. Taylor even though Fred Taylor's stats were nice in consecutive weeks. Let's be honest here there are few RB#2's on their own team worthy of starting and Bush is not one of them this year. I still can't believe he was drafted in the second round in my league.

He has been stapled on my bench in a redraft league. I don't see him contributing all year. If I have to play him it was due to a major injury.

 

[Sidewinder]

The rest of the year I would say no starts for Bush. In a regular format, no return yards counted non ppr , I can't see a good reason to start him. ...

Unless defenses want to start playing the Saints more honest, you are probably right. All three TD passes today were off of fake handoffs to Bush, and on the 2 long TDs to Henderson, there was absolutely no deep safety help because they are biting so hard on the play-action. It's actually kind of surprising, considering the lack of production Reggie has had in the running game, but it's very obvious defenses are still saying, if you are going to beat us, it's not going to be because of Bush.

 

[packersfan]

The rest of the year I would say no starts for Bush. In a regular format, no return yards counted non ppr , I can't see a good reason to start him. ...

Unless defenses want to start playing the Saints more honest, you are probably right. All three TD passes today were off of fake handoffs to Bush, and on the 2 long TDs to Henderson, there was absolutely no deep safety help because they are biting so hard on the play-action. It's actually kind of surprising, considering the lack of production Reggie has had in the running game, but it's very obvious defenses are still saying, if you are going to beat us, it's not going to be because of Bush.

I continue to be amazed that defenses haven't shifted away from this approach. Why are they paying so much attention to a player who isn't even an average performer? That makes zero sense. Meanwhile, Brees is killing defenses. Colston's having a monster season; Horn had been playing well and today with him out Henderson went crazy. McAllister hasn't run that well lately but overall he's been solid. I can see paying extra attention to Bush early in the season. But it should be apparent to defenses now that he isn't going to hurt them but by continuing to pay so much attention to him that is going to hurt them. I continue to wait for defenses to adjust away from this approach given how worthless Bush has been for the past several games but nobody has. I can't figure that one out at all.