Reggie Wayne - HOF? (1 Viewer)

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Reggie Wayne - HOF?

 

[Ghost Rider]

I'll say no. It's tough for WRs to get in nowadays, and there are already too many ahead of him in line who are or will be more deserving.

 

[Anarchy99]

I think a better question is where he ranks in terms of guys not in the Hall and who else will be eligible from this generation.

Then we can debate how many guys will get in from he WR spot. The list is pretty long.

 

[ShamrockPride]

Really tough. I think if Starvin Marvin were to get in it would open up the door a bit more for Reggie. But Wayne don't have a chance unless Marv does...and that's proving to be a question mark.

 

[bostonfred]

8th all time in receptions

7th all time in yards

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[ShamrockPride]

8th all time in receptions

7th all time in yards

In

Marv is 3rd (1102) catches, 7th (14580) yards (Reggie is 8th*), and 5th (128) in TDs...he just got a snub somehow...laughable actually. Should be a shoe-in. The only thing that could hold Reggie back is he only (only lol) has 82 TDs.

 

[bostonfred]

Marvin didn't get in first ballot because of off the field stuff. But he's obviously in too.

 

[ZWK]

From his generation of WRs (entered the NFL 1996-2004), I'd put Wayne behind Owens, Moss, Harrison, Steve Smith, Andre Johnson, and Fitz. Not sure about Holt & 85.

 

[ShamrockPride]

From his generation of WRs (entered the NFL 1996-2004), I'd put Wayne behind Owens, Moss, Harrison, Steve Smith, Andre Johnson, and Fitz. Not sure about Holt & 85.

You'd really put Steve over Reggie?? Idk. Kinda where it gets tough because you gotta balance stats vs who was throwing them the football...

 

[FreeBaGeL]

From his generation of WRs (entered the NFL 1996-2004), I'd put Wayne behind Owens, Moss, Harrison, Steve Smith, Andre Johnson, and Fitz. Not sure about Holt & 85.

You'd really put Steve over Reggie?? Idk. Kinda where it gets tough because you gotta balance stats vs who was throwing them the football...

This was my first thought as well, but when I actually looked at the stats I was surprised at just how close Smiff's stats were to Wayne's. Same number of TDs, better YPC, and about 1000 less receiving yards and 100 less catches. That's not much spread out over 14 years, and then you consider that Smiff did it with about 100 different quarterbacks and systems while Wayne had not only consistency, but absolute premium QB play the whole time.

 

[ZWK]

From his generation of WRs (entered the NFL 1996-2004), I'd put Wayne behind Owens, Moss, Harrison, Steve Smith, Andre Johnson, and Fitz. Not sure about Holt & 85.

You'd really put Steve over Reggie?? Idk. Kinda where it gets tough because you gotta balance stats vs who was throwing them the football...

Their stats aren't even that different. Reggie has an extra 700 yards and 7 TDs over their 14 year careers. That's it. Reggie also played in an extra 13 games. (And that's only counting offense; Smith also had 6 return TDs.)

That's just for the regular season; Wayne did also make the playoffs a lot more consistently than Smith. And here's what they did there:

Wayne: 93/1254/9 in 21 games

Smith: 59/1001/9 in 11 games (plus 5/45/1 rushing and 1 punt return TD)

Seems pretty even, before we take into account the slight difference in QBs.

 

[Tau837]

From his generation of WRs (entered the NFL 1996-2004), I'd put Wayne behind Owens, Moss, Harrison, Steve Smith, Andre Johnson, and Fitz. Not sure about Holt & 85.

IMO Holt is clearly more deserving than Wayne.

 

[travdogg]

From his generation of WRs (entered the NFL 1996-2004), I'd put Wayne behind Owens, Moss, Harrison, Steve Smith, Andre Johnson, and Fitz. Not sure about Holt & 85.

I'd put Wayne in a similar boat as Holt, no HOF, but hall of very good. Then again, I'd have both ahead of a couple HOF WRs.

Sorta hijacking, but I really think Chad Johnson is crazy underrated, and Larry Fitzgerald is crazy overrated. I'd rank that 96-04 group as follows:

1. Owens

2. Moss

3. Harrison

4. Andre

5. Chad

6. Smith

7. Fitz

8. Holt

9. Wayne

Not in the 96-04 group, but I'd put Calvin between Harrison and Andre, and have Marshall and White next in line after Wayne.

I consider only Owens, Moss, Harrison(and likely Calvin) to be HOF locks.

 

[Borden]

I voted no but I think the HoF should be even more exclusive. My general rule is; if you have to think about, they don't get in.

Manning, Brady, TO, Moss, Tomlinson, Gonzo, Ed Reed, etc you don't need to even consider.

The one exception is off field and/or "cheating" issues. AP might be one of those guys now.

 

[AhrnCityPahnder]

What's the difference between "no" and "almost" ?

 

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What's the difference between "no" and "almost" ?

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[Ghost Rider]

From his generation of WRs (entered the NFL 1996-2004), I'd put Wayne behind Owens, Moss, Harrison, Steve Smith, Andre Johnson, and Fitz. Not sure about Holt & 85.

I'd put Wayne in a similar boat as Holt, no HOF, but hall of very good. Then again, I'd have both ahead of a couple HOF WRs.

Sorta hijacking, but I really think Chad Johnson is crazy underrated, and Larry Fitzgerald is crazy overrated. I'd rank that 96-04 group as follows:

1. Owens

2. Moss

3. Harrison

4. Andre

5. Chad

6. Smith

7. Fitz

8. Holt

9. Wayne

Not in the 96-04 group, but I'd put Calvin between Harrison and Andre, and have Marshall and White next in line after Wayne.

I consider only Owens, Moss, Harrison(and likely Calvin) to be HOF locks.

Chad Johnson does seem to get overlooked a lot, but while he probably deserves more recognition, I wouldn't put him that high on that list. His 2003-2007 stretch of five straight 1,200-yard plus seasons was terrific, but it is hard to forget how he completely failed in New England, plus his clown act and off the field issues do not help his cause.

 

[Anarchy99]

Even though he has not been mentioned and I wouldn't vote him in, many people will conside Hines Ward (especially people that matter . . . the actual voters). Given the Steelers HOF voting bias, I see Ward getting in at some point. That will probably mean someone else in the modern WR era won't make it.

 

[travdogg]

From his generation of WRs (entered the NFL 1996-2004), I'd put Wayne behind Owens, Moss, Harrison, Steve Smith, Andre Johnson, and Fitz. Not sure about Holt & 85.

I'd put Wayne in a similar boat as Holt, no HOF, but hall of very good. Then again, I'd have both ahead of a couple HOF WRs.

Sorta hijacking, but I really think Chad Johnson is crazy underrated, and Larry Fitzgerald is crazy overrated. I'd rank that 96-04 group as follows:

1. Owens

2. Moss

3. Harrison

4. Andre

5. Chad

6. Smith

7. Fitz

8. Holt

9. Wayne

Not in the 96-04 group, but I'd put Calvin between Harrison and Andre, and have Marshall and White next in line after Wayne.

I consider only Owens, Moss, Harrison(and likely Calvin) to be HOF locks.

Chad Johnson does seem to get overlooked a lot, but while he probably deserves more recognition, I wouldn't put him that high on that list. His 2003-2007 stretch of five straight 1,200-yard plus seasons was terrific, but it is hard to forget how he completely failed in New England, plus his clown act and off the field issues do not help his cause.

Is the off field stuff really a bad thing though? He wasn't getting arrested or undermining coaches, he was just a character. More Deion than Owens. I wouldn't hold the New England failure against him, Torry Holt couldn't even make it through camp in New England.

Also, I think it is telling that Carson Palmer became average as soon as Johnson wasn't his WR, while Johnson had success with Kitna before Palmer.

Its kind of funny to me when people use Fitzgerald as an example of a guy who deserves a boost because of poor QB play, when he arguably had better QB play than all but Harrison/Wayne, Moss and Holt. If anything, Kurt Warner is the 3rd best QB any of those guys had after Manning and Brady.

Even though he has not been mentioned and I wouldn't vote him in, many people will conside Hines Ward (especially people that matter . . . the actual voters). Given the Steelers HOF voting bias, I see Ward getting in at some point. That will probably mean someone else in the modern WR era won't make it.

I hope that doesn't happen. Truth be told, if he retired today, I'd argue Antonio Brown is more HOF worthy than Ward.

 

[Anarchy99]

People can find the Ward HOF thread to rehash his credentials. But much of it is based on winning titles and being a compiler. Brown hasn't had the longevity to have much of a case yet.

 

[Ghost Rider]

From his generation of WRs (entered the NFL 1996-2004), I'd put Wayne behind Owens, Moss, Harrison, Steve Smith, Andre Johnson, and Fitz. Not sure about Holt & 85.

I'd put Wayne in a similar boat as Holt, no HOF, but hall of very good. Then again, I'd have both ahead of a couple HOF WRs.

Sorta hijacking, but I really think Chad Johnson is crazy underrated, and Larry Fitzgerald is crazy overrated. I'd rank that 96-04 group as follows:

1. Owens

2. Moss

3. Harrison

4. Andre

5. Chad

6. Smith

7. Fitz

8. Holt

9. Wayne

Not in the 96-04 group, but I'd put Calvin between Harrison and Andre, and have Marshall and White next in line after Wayne.

I consider only Owens, Moss, Harrison(and likely Calvin) to be HOF locks.

Chad Johnson does seem to get overlooked a lot, but while he probably deserves more recognition, I wouldn't put him that high on that list. His 2003-2007 stretch of five straight 1,200-yard plus seasons was terrific, but it is hard to forget how he completely failed in New England, plus his clown act and off the field issues do not help his cause.

Is the off field stuff really a bad thing though? He wasn't getting arrested or undermining coaches, he was just a character. More Deion than Owens. I wouldn't hold the New England failure against him, Torry Holt couldn't even make it through camp in New England.

Because Holt got hurt. Besides, he was clearly at the end of his rope then anyway, while Johnson was thought to have plenty left in the tank, yet totally sucked in NE. When you play with Tom Brady for a year and can't even put up numbers that are mediocre, that reflects poorly on you.

 

[Run It Up]

Hes like 30 receptions away from being the #3 all time behind Gonzo and Rice, wants to play one more season. You'd think the Colts would try to facilitate that.

But hes absolutely a HoFer.

 

[5Rings]

JFC no. Never was the best player at his position.

Not every good player that retires is a HOFer.

Smh

Now get off my lawn!

 

[Fariq]

People can find the Ward HOF thread to rehash his credentials. But much of it is based on winning titles and being a compiler. Brown hasn't had the longevity to have much of a case yet.

How do you define compiler?