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Report: JaMarcus Russell to be cut (1 Viewer)

Lombardi pretty much said it all:

JaMarcus makes 9.5 this year. pay cut, or get cut. And supposedly JaMarcus is saying that he won't take a pay cut.

I find it hard to believe that Al would want to give up on the #1 pick so fast, he must've really shown ZERO desire to get better.

 
Fact - His time in Oak was a complete disaster.

Fact - He's still noly 24; his weight and attitude issues were completely overblow.

He'll get picked up by someone and I wouldn't be surprised if has ends up as a nice backup or eventually emerges as an okay starter in the future. See- David Carr.

I'll compare him to someone I'm very familiar with as a Cowboys fan. Bobby Carpenter; he's shown glimpses but has been a huge dissapointment for what he was drafted to be; wouldn't surprise me if Carpenter ends up somehwere else and has a decent career.
:rant: Both are garbage. Carr is milking millions out of NFL teams and I can't figure out how he does it.

 
I was under the impression that if we cut him this year, there are no cap implications pst this year. Anyone know?
You are correct. There is no cap to have a penalty against. Just cost Al's money.
If he is cut, they pay him the rest of his remaining signing bonus but there's no cap, so that lump of money doesn't count against anything. And the Raiders are free of him in coming years.
 
Fact - His time in Oak was a complete disaster.

Fact - He's still noly 24; his weight and attitude issues were completely overblow.

He'll get picked up by someone and I wouldn't be surprised if has ends up as a nice backup or eventually emerges as an okay starter in the future. See- David Carr.

I'll compare him to someone I'm very familiar with as a Cowboys fan. Bobby Carpenter; he's shown glimpses but has been a huge dissapointment for what he was drafted to be; wouldn't surprise me if Carpenter ends up somehwere else and has a decent career.
:) Both are garbage. Carr is milking millions out of NFL teams and I can't figure out how he does it.
I don't get it either. Carr is atrocious. I think it was Berman who said that the pour O Line in Houston ruined David Carr. Actually the fact that David Carr was a horrible qb killed David Carr. When given opportunities, Carr has flopped.
 
I was under the impression that if we cut him this year, there are no cap implications pst this year. Anyone know?
You are correct. There is no cap to have a penalty against. Just cost Al's money.
If he is cut, they pay him the rest of his remaining signing bonus but there's no cap, so that lump of money doesn't count against anything. And the Raiders are free of him in coming years.
That's what I thought.
 
The uncapped year, the McNabb trade allowing them to get Campbell, and Al getting back on meds has been a godsend for the Raiders.

I'm actually looking forward to the Chargers/Raiders games now.

 
Bigger Bust: J. Russell or R. Leaf?
Leaf by a mile.Not only was Russell a much better QB than Leaf (check their stats), but Russell, as far as I know, never ditched rehab to play golf; never lied to the coaching staff about offseason workouts (Leaf: "I've hired my own QB coach"; the QB coach: "I haven't heard from Ryan in years."); and never shouted at reporters, spit on fans, or got into fistfights at bars.
 
Bigger Bust: J. Russell or R. Leaf?
Leaf by a mile.Not only was Russell a much better QB than Leaf (check their stats), but Russell, as far as I know, never ditched rehab to play golf; never lied to the coaching staff about offseason workouts (Leaf: "I've hired my own QB coach"; the QB coach: "I haven't heard from Ryan in years."); and never shouted at reporters, spit on fans, or got into fistfights at bars.
I think you're right. But it's not a mile though. Say about 1,000 feet. If the Chargers had had the #1 pick and selected Leaf over Manning, then it would be Leaf by 3-4 miles. But because Leaf was #2 and Russell was a #1, it's a lot closer. There's something especially dreadful about the first pick in the draft being this bad.
 
Bigger Bust: J. Russell or R. Leaf?
Leaf by a mile.Not only was Russell a much better QB than Leaf (check their stats), but Russell, as far as I know, never ditched rehab to play golf; never lied to the coaching staff about offseason workouts (Leaf: "I've hired my own QB coach"; the QB coach: "I haven't heard from Ryan in years."); and never shouted at reporters, spit on fans, or got into fistfights at bars.
I think you're right. But it's not a mile though. Say about 1,000 feet. If the Chargers had had the #1 pick and selected Leaf over Manning, then it would be Leaf by 3-4 miles. But because Leaf was #2 and Russell was a #1, it's a lot closer. There's something especially dreadful about the first pick in the draft being this bad.
They were in a bad spot feeling forced to take a QB when it was a real weak QB year. The only QB that even is sniffing the top of a depth chart is Kolb right?
 
It's a double win for Oakland. Off the books, and the training table budget gets some relief.

I am sorry, but any QB that has his ### jiggle when he is dropping back, you're a fatass

 
Bigger Bust: J. Russell or R. Leaf?
Leaf by a mile.Not only was Russell a much better QB than Leaf (check their stats), but Russell, as far as I know, never ditched rehab to play golf; never lied to the coaching staff about offseason workouts (Leaf: "I've hired my own QB coach"; the QB coach: "I haven't heard from Ryan in years."); and never shouted at reporters, spit on fans, or got into fistfights at bars.
I think you're right. But it's not a mile though. Say about 1,000 feet.
If I were to be precise, I think it's by about 1250 meters.
 
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They were in a bad spot feeling forced to take a QB when it was a real weak QB year. The only QB that even is sniffing the top of a depth chart is Kolb right?
Trent Edwards and Matt Moore(udfa). Edwards isn't great and Moore is an unknown, but they're both better than JaMarcus and quite a bit cheaper. You are right that is was a lousy class.
 
Bigger Bust: J. Russell or R. Leaf?
Stat-wise, definitely Leaf. 14 TD/36 INTs in 4 (really 3 seasons)? :shrug: But if you take into account the amount of $$ involved, I think it's about even. Russell's contract was a lot bigger, I believe (I mean, it was about a 9 year difference and contracts have gone up exponentially since then), so that sets Oakland back a lot. He ate (pun intended) a LOT of $$.Maybe what tips the scales (pun intended) is that Leaf really set the Chargers back about 6 years (they didn't start making a splash until about 2004 or so - even after Brees and LT were drafted). Russell has only personally set the Raiders back 3 years so far. Might still take them another year or two, but I don't think AS much of a setback with him.
 
To be honest - I kind of see the logic in Jamarcus' laziness here, and I don't fault him one bit for his lack of interest or effort. I will say that if he had more pride, self-respect and honor then he would've at least TRIED to earn the money that the Raiders handed him... but c'est la vie.

At the end of the day, I mean, why bother to continue working and busting your butt year round (and risking injury) when you're guaranteed $30 million on your first job contract and now you can pretty much just slack off until you get released - at which point you could just retire in your mid-20's and never work another day again for as long as you live.

The real issue is the insane amount of money that these rookies get thrown at them. It makes absolute sense that every now and then one would slip through the cracks, get $30 million guaranteed and decide that they'd rather just retire early now that they're set for life. Can't fault JR for playing that card.

 
To be honest - I kind of see the logic in Jamarcus' laziness here, and I don't fault him one bit for his lack of interest or effort. I will say that if he had more pride, self-respect and honor then he would've at least TRIED to earn the money that the Raiders handed him... but c'est la vie.

At the end of the day, I mean, why bother to continue working and busting your butt year round (and risking injury) when you're guaranteed $30 million on your first job contract and now you can pretty much just slack off until you get released - at which point you could just retire in your mid-20's and never work another day again for as long as you live.

The real issue is the insane amount of money that these rookies get thrown at them. It makes absolute sense that every now and then one would slip through the cracks, get $30 million guaranteed and decide that they'd rather just retire early now that they're set for life. Can't fault JR for playing that card.
I take issue with this, and I do fault him. I have never earned anything even close to this guy, but whatever you make, the ethic is the same: you should do your best to earn it. Frankly, I couldn't live with myself otherwise.
 
Jamarcus is a lesson to GMs that the most important qualities in a QB are...

Leadership

Accuracy

Work Ethic

Confidence

Intelligence

The ability to handle pressure

Jamarcus possessed none of these.

Best of luck to the kid in his next stop. :yucky:

 
If Russel wants to play again in the NFL,and that is a big if. It will have to be for the minimum vet salary. No team will spend any more than that on him.

 
Jamarcus is a lesson to GMs that the most important qualities in a QB are...Leadership AccuracyWork EthicConfidenceIntelligenceThe ability to handle pressureJamarcus possessed none of these.
I'm not really sure about that last one. The Raiders were never really in a "pressure" situation.But I'm sure he would have been a spectacular failure there too.
 
Fact - His time in Oak was a complete disaster.

Fact - He's still noly 24; his weight and attitude issues were completely overblow.

He'll get picked up by someone and I wouldn't be surprised if has ends up as a nice backup or eventually emerges as an okay starter in the future. See- David Carr.

I'll compare him to someone I'm very familiar with as a Cowboys fan. Bobby Carpenter; he's shown glimpses but has been a huge dissapointment for what he was drafted to be; wouldn't surprise me if Carpenter ends up somehwere else and has a decent career.
If this guy has weight issues at 24, in the prime of his life in spite of every opportunity to change handed to him, then it's never going to get any better as he gets older. It will only get worse. The fact is this guy has maintained a sloppy physique and a poor work ethic in college and in the pros during his early and peak athletic years. He now needs special meals brought to him just to keep his weight down, along with a former Raider monitoring his status and acting as a baby sitter. He has done nothing at any point thus far in his career to indicate he will ever be successful as a NFL quarterback or as a professional athlete in general.
 
Jamarcus is a lesson to GMs that the most important qualities in a QB are...Leadership AccuracyWork EthicConfidenceIntelligenceThe ability to handle pressureJamarcus possessed none of these.
I'm not really sure about that last one. The Raiders were never really in a "pressure" situation.But I'm sure he would have been a spectacular failure there too.
:yucky:Cutting Russell turns a good draft into a great off-season.
 
A couple quick thoughts.

First, I think JM is a viable QB3 on an NFL team. As is often the case with players taken way too early and paid way too much, expectations are set high and when players fail fans think they are worthless.

JM is just not worth much, but as a Packer fan if both Rodgers and Flynn went down he might be an okay filler for the league minimum. And there are teams worse off.

Second, there are ways to assess heart pre-draft. Interviews by seasoned vets at positions and clinical psychologists can sort this out if GMs and HCs would just bring them in and listen to what they say after the interviews. Interviews based on background checks like the Feds do would turn things up too.

 
GordonGekko said:
Russell might make a good nose tackle ( not kidding here) A good nose clogs the middle to allow other people to make plays. They are supposed to carry weight. Clearly Russell has weight issues but he is a fairly gifted athlete. The guy is 6'6 and pushes 300 pounds. That's a good deal of size. Add another 50-60 pounds and he could clog the middle of the field for some team. Even with hard work, you could argue he just might not have it in him to be a solid QB no matter what. Another position might be more viable for him. He's still very young. I can see him getting at least one more chance in the NFL.
You have to have heart to play the nose.
 
Jamarcus is a lesson to GMs that the most important qualities in a QB are...Leadership AccuracyWork EthicConfidenceIntelligenceThe ability to handle pressureJamarcus possessed none of these.
I'm not really sure about that last one. The Raiders were never really in a "pressure" situation.But I'm sure he would have been a spectacular failure there too.
Lots of pressure on your shoulders when you're handed the keys to an NFL franchise and facing the huge expectations as the #1 pick from fans and media.
 
GordonGekko said:
Russell might make a good nose tackle ( not kidding here) A good nose clogs the middle to allow other people to make plays. They are supposed to carry weight. Clearly Russell has weight issues but he is a fairly gifted athlete. The guy is 6'6 and pushes 300 pounds. That's a good deal of size. Add another 50-60 pounds and he could clog the middle of the field for some team. Even with hard work, you could argue he just might not have it in him to be a solid QB no matter what. Another position might be more viable for him. He's still very young. I can see him getting at least one more chance in the NFL.
You have to have heart to play the nose.
6'6" is also taller than you'd like a true NT to be.Though he's got the "ZERO" in zero-technique down cold.
 
Jamarcus is a lesson to GMs that the most important qualities in a QB are...Leadership AccuracyWork EthicConfidenceIntelligenceThe ability to handle pressureJamarcus possessed none of these.
I'm not really sure about that last one. The Raiders were never really in a "pressure" situation.But I'm sure he would have been a spectacular failure there too.
Lots of pressure on your shoulders when you're handed the keys to an NFL franchise and facing the huge expectations as the #1 pick from fans and media.
I'm talking individual game situations. He didn't often face pressure to "make a play or else" because the Raiders were often too far behind. Though the ONLY time I was impressed with him is when he had to make a play on 4th down against Denver, and he did... throwing a GW TD pass.
 
That means he'll be back at the local waffle house starting fights again, he threw a punch a few years ago and blinded the guy.

 
JaMarcus Russell - the starting quarter for the Oakland Raiders...is known for setting records on the grid iron. But a Mobile man claims an off field encounter with Russell left him dumbfound. "When he hit me, I looked at him like man come on. Why? You…you know," said the alleged victim.

Out of fear - the man doesn't want his identity revealed. But he was willing to show us where he says Russell the 6' 6" 255 pound pro athlete punched him twice in the face. "I didn't feel nothing then because adrenal was flowing really feel nothing then; it is afterwards that you feel it. Didn't get swollen until I left the scene," he added.

The man says it happened at Waffle House on Dauphin Island Parkway around 5 a.m. Friday. Witnesses place Russell there too and a police report was filed.

"At this time we are unable to provide who the suspects may be. It is a misdemeanor so it is the victim's responsibility to sign warrants on case and if and when then we can provide suspects info," said Officer Eric Gallichant, with the Mobile Police Department

We talked to one of Russell's family members - he says JaMarcus Russell told him the alleged victim was the instigator...starting a fight with Russell's friend...and that he's only looking for a paycheck.

The alleged victim admits to fighting with Russell's friend at Waffle House.

We tried to talk to Waffle House workers to get their side of this alleged encounter...but corporate headquarters told us it will have to wait until Monday.

 
JaMarcus Russell - the starting quarter for the Oakland Raiders...is known for setting records on the grid iron. But a Mobile man claims an off field encounter with Russell left him dumbfound. "When he hit me, I looked at him like man come on. Why? You…you know," said the alleged victim.Out of fear - the man doesn't want his identity revealed. But he was willing to show us where he says Russell the 6' 6" 255 pound pro athlete punched him twice in the face. "I didn't feel nothing then because adrenal was flowing really feel nothing then; it is afterwards that you feel it. Didn't get swollen until I left the scene," he added.The man says it happened at Waffle House on Dauphin Island Parkway around 5 a.m. Friday. Witnesses place Russell there too and a police report was filed."At this time we are unable to provide who the suspects may be. It is a misdemeanor so it is the victim's responsibility to sign warrants on case and if and when then we can provide suspects info," said Officer Eric Gallichant, with the Mobile Police DepartmentWe talked to one of Russell's family members - he says JaMarcus Russell told him the alleged victim was the instigator...starting a fight with Russell's friend...and that he's only looking for a paycheck.The alleged victim admits to fighting with Russell's friend at Waffle House.We tried to talk to Waffle House workers to get their side of this alleged encounter...but corporate headquarters told us it will have to wait until Monday.
OMG, Waffle House. That's comedy gold, Jerry!
 
JaMarcus Russell - the starting quarter for the Oakland Raiders...is known for setting records on the grid iron. But a Mobile man claims an off field encounter with Russell left him dumbfound. "When he hit me, I looked at him like man come on. Why? You…you know," said the alleged victim.Out of fear - the man doesn't want his identity revealed. But he was willing to show us where he says Russell the 6' 6" 255 pound pro athlete punched him twice in the face. "I didn't feel nothing then because adrenal was flowing really feel nothing then; it is afterwards that you feel it. Didn't get swollen until I left the scene," he added.The man says it happened at Waffle House on Dauphin Island Parkway around 5 a.m. Friday. Witnesses place Russell there too and a police report was filed."At this time we are unable to provide who the suspects may be. It is a misdemeanor so it is the victim's responsibility to sign warrants on case and if and when then we can provide suspects info," said Officer Eric Gallichant, with the Mobile Police DepartmentWe talked to one of Russell's family members - he says JaMarcus Russell told him the alleged victim was the instigator...starting a fight with Russell's friend...and that he's only looking for a paycheck.The alleged victim admits to fighting with Russell's friend at Waffle House.We tried to talk to Waffle House workers to get their side of this alleged encounter...but corporate headquarters told us it will have to wait until Monday.
That sounds like a bunch of malarkey. Seriously -- 255 pounds? Come on.
 
To be honest - I kind of see the logic in Jamarcus' laziness here, and I don't fault him one bit for his lack of interest or effort. I will say that if he had more pride, self-respect and honor then he would've at least TRIED to earn the money that the Raiders handed him... but c'est la vie.

At the end of the day, I mean, why bother to continue working and busting your butt year round (and risking injury) when you're guaranteed $30 million on your first job contract and now you can pretty much just slack off until you get released - at which point you could just retire in your mid-20's and never work another day again for as long as you live.

The real issue is the insane amount of money that these rookies get thrown at them. It makes absolute sense that every now and then one would slip through the cracks, get $30 million guaranteed and decide that they'd rather just retire early now that they're set for life. Can't fault JR for playing that card.
Too bad Matt Stafford isn't as smart as Russell. He risked his retirement golf swing by going back into a game with a separated shoulder. He shoulda learned from Russell and left game, got on ice on shoulder, hit the buffet and called it a year.

Comes down to character and Russell has none!

 
To be honest - I kind of see the logic in Jamarcus' laziness here, and I don't fault him one bit for his lack of interest or effort. I will say that if he had more pride, self-respect and honor then he would've at least TRIED to earn the money that the Raiders handed him... but c'est la vie.

At the end of the day, I mean, why bother to continue working and busting your butt year round (and risking injury) when you're guaranteed $30 million on your first job contract and now you can pretty much just slack off until you get released - at which point you could just retire in your mid-20's and never work another day again for as long as you live.

The real issue is the insane amount of money that these rookies get thrown at them. It makes absolute sense that every now and then one would slip through the cracks, get $30 million guaranteed and decide that they'd rather just retire early now that they're set for life. Can't fault JR for playing that card.
JaMarcus should be example "A" for why rookie contracts need to be restructured, yet nobody I've seen has the guts to bring him up. Goodell spoke about how this needs to be changed and the NFLN guys talked about it a bit, bringing up points like "what other career does the fresh top talent get paid more than the proven vets" I understand Frankbot's point and we will always have bums like this slip through the cracks, but it needs to be corrected by not giving away 30+ Mil guaranteed. There should be a structured salary for rookies with performance based incentives that can drive the contract up. I know that opens a different can of worms now where teams may not play the person (Brady Quinn), but IMO, that worked out fine. If Quinn was any good he would have been played and paid. I think folks need to use this bum as an example and fix a bigger problem in the league.
 
massraider said:
Black said:
Sleeping King said:
massraider said:
I was under the impression that if we cut him this year, there are no cap implications pst this year. Anyone know?
You are correct. There is no cap to have a penalty against. Just cost Al's money.
If he is cut, they pay him the rest of his remaining signing bonus but there's no cap, so that lump of money doesn't count against anything. And the Raiders are free of him in coming years.
That's what I thought.
They don't cut them a check. A $10m bonus in a 5 year contract is paid in full to the player immediately upon him signing the contract.It's just an accounting thing where each year of the 5 years, $2m counts towards the team's cap figure. But the player already has the money. Cut him early, or trade him, and the money not yet counted towards an annual team salary immediately hits the current year.
 
massraider said:
Black said:
Sleeping King said:
massraider said:
I was under the impression that if we cut him this year, there are no cap implications pst this year. Anyone know?
You are correct. There is no cap to have a penalty against. Just cost Al's money.
If he is cut, they pay him the rest of his remaining signing bonus but there's no cap, so that lump of money doesn't count against anything. And the Raiders are free of him in coming years.
That's what I thought.
They don't cut them a check. A $10m bonus in a 5 year contract is paid in full to the player immediately upon him signing the contract.It's just an accounting thing where each year of the 5 years, $2m counts towards the team's cap figure. But the player already has the money. Cut him early, or trade him, and the money not yet counted towards an annual team salary immediately hits the current year.
No, I knew that. I was just confirming that the pro-rated signing bonus would accelerate, and we'd have no dead money after this year.
 
Maurile Tremblay said:
jwinston2 said:
Bigger Bust: J. Russell or R. Leaf?
Leaf by a mile.Not only was Russell a much better QB than Leaf (check their stats), but Russell, as far as I know, never ditched rehab to play golf; never lied to the coaching staff about offseason workouts (Leaf: "I've hired my own QB coach"; the QB coach: "I haven't heard from Ryan in years."); and never shouted at reporters, spit on fans, or got into fistfights at bars.
I think Peyton Manning is the mile measuring stick that works against Leaf. They will always be linked and compared. Bust vs one of the best ever. Reality vs draft potential vs Hall of Famer.Russell only has to compare to himself, a much shorter measuring stick. Basically reality vs draft potential.I do think Russell is the bigger bust: higher draft pick, more $$$ spent, and no fire or heart. Leaf won a game or two with his arm, I'm not sure Russell ever did.
 
Maurile Tremblay said:
jwinston2 said:
Bigger Bust: J. Russell or R. Leaf?
Leaf by a mile.Not only was Russell a much better QB than Leaf (check their stats), but Russell, as far as I know, never ditched rehab to play golf; never lied to the coaching staff about offseason workouts (Leaf: "I've hired my own QB coach"; the QB coach: "I haven't heard from Ryan in years."); and never shouted at reporters, spit on fans, or got into fistfights at bars.
Good points.
 
Leaf won a game or two with his arm, I'm not sure Russell ever did.
Leaf won 4 games in his NFL career. In none of them did Leaf lead his team to more than 17 points. In none of them did Leaf throw for more than 180 yards. In none of them did Leaf throw more touchdowns than interceptions.Russell won 7 games. In those wins, the Raiders scored 23 or more points 3 times, Russell threw for over 200 yards 3 times, and Russell threw more TDs than INTs 4 times.
 
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Leaf won a game or two with his arm, I'm not sure Russell ever did.
Leaf won 4 games in his NFL career. In none of them did he lead his team to more than 17 points. In none of them did Leaf throw for more than 180 yards. In none of them did Leaf throw more touchdowns than interceptions.Russell won 7 games. In those wins, the Raiders scored 23 or more points 3 times, Russell threw for over 200 yards 3 times, and Russell threw more TDs than INTs 4 times.
Alrighty then
 
Getting Russell off the team helps the morale of the whole team.

It was tough for veterans like Nnmadi and Seymour to do thier jobs well, come off the field for a short period of time, and hold thier heads up with any kind of dignity, and have the home crowd boo as they are coming on to the field. How deflating was that?

Then, after JaMarcus throws a terrible INT or sails a pass 4 yards over the intended target, the rest of the team on the sideline gets to see him respond to the boos with the kind of smile that was interpreted by many fans like: "so what, I suck, but I am getting paid". He was a black cloud spelled "LOSER".

With JaMarcus on the field, Raider fans felt like losers before the game started. We were forced to sit and take it from all the fans of the 31 other teams. When Gradkowski took over, it was too little too late, but we felt hope with just a mediocre QB.

The thought was, "If we can beat playoff teams like Philadelphia, Cincinnati, and Pittsburgh, imagine how we'd do if we had a decent QB from week 1?" It was cruel to give us hope for next year, and still pretend that JaMarcus was in the mix to be starter again in '10. Better for Al Davis to pay the man his $3 million to sell hot dogs, or be a tackling dummy, or better yet just go away to his podunk home in the bayou. We want the chapter closed, the wounds to heal, the divorce final.

Jason Campbell is a very good QB, highly underrated IMO. 65% passer, when was the last time the Raiders had someone who approaches that efficiency? I don't think that anyone has doubted that the Raiders have weapons at the skill positions. They just need someone to get the ball the playmakers, and then they need to do their job to get the yards after the catch. Campbell is the perfect man for that.

The seven year storm clouds will be behind us with JaMarcus being cut. I am tired of the not so witty butchering of his name, JaWalrus, JaFatssa, etc. tired of being the punch line. I am ready for this new team to take the field and raise some eyebrows. The same hack reporters will try to bemoan belittle our team and they will have to eat crow and acknowledge them when they are good. They are hypocrites, and I won't forget their mean smirks (Suzy Colber, Trent Dilfer) when they interviewed Darrius Heywood Bey in front of his family on the day he was drafted.

Payback is a son of a b#$#$

 
I am not worried about JaMarcus. Once he gets cut and has to go out into the real world, I am sure he will excel as a Subway sandwich artist.

 
I am not worried about JaMarcus. Once he gets cut and has to go out into the real world, I am sure he will excel as a Subway sandwich artist.
Subway would never hire him, they'd go out of business.Laughing at the assault article. The guy is out clubbing until 5am. You know he aint just waking up to go get his preworkout meal in. He's a P O SI hope the victim gets everything he is deserved.
 

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