Report: Matt Leinart in danger of losing job (1 Viewer)

[Mortimer Ichabod]

The future has already arrived! His name is John Skelton

 

[Hoot&HoLLer]

Leinart and Anderson both stink, and Whisenhunt knows it. They have to look outside the organization for help.

I think they should sign Jeff Garcia. He's 40, but he's better than anything they have and he wants to play (he recently signed with a UFL team). Then after the season go after a free agent QB and draft a youngster.

You can't waste this season, too many players are in their primes.

Maybe they turn to their friends in Pittsburgh and see if they can pry one of their two aged vets (Leftwich or Batch). Or maybe they make a play for Dixon. When Roethlisberger comes back from the suspension, there is no way they keep 4 qb's is there?

 

[shader]

Sage Rosenfels makes too much sense. Tavaris is the backup, Joe Webb exudes raw talent as the number 3...Sage might even get cut.

Sage is twice as good as either of these two schlubs.

 

[wormburner]

Chad Pennington, pick up the blue courtesy phone...

They should try to get Jon Kitna but I doubt the Cowboys would give him up.

Kitna's not going anywhere.AZ should have signed Bulger. An accurate passer with a decent OL in front of him would be perfect for a one-year rental.

Rosenfels an option?

 

[Bojang0301]

Rosenfels has looked awful this preseason. I still think Troy Smith would be the perfect fit but he hasn't been too great this preseason either.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Rosenfels has looked awful this preseason. I still think Troy Smith would be the perfect fit but he hasn't been too great this preseason either.

Matt Cassel was horrendous the preseason before Brady went down in week 1...

 

[Babu Bhatt2]

On the market, the QB that makes the most sense is Chad Pennington. Every other QB that would be an upgrade is a backup on a playoff-caliber team (for example, Brunell, Bulger, and Kitna). The Dolphins have Tyler Thigpen, who is very good, and could fill the backup role behind Henne. I think they would part with Pennington for a 3rd rounder. I would consider this as well if I was Whisenhunt.

 

[Federal]

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

Rosenfels has looked awful this preseason. I still think Troy Smith would be the perfect fit but he hasn't been too great this preseason either.

Matt Cassel was horrendous the preseason before Brady went down in week 1...

Being an awful preseason quarterback is like being an awful bowler. Your buddies may rib you for it — but it has almost no bearing on what kind of NFL quarterback you'll make.There are certain things you can tell from watching preseason games, and certain things you can't tell. If somebody throws the ball 80 yards, you can tell he's got a strong arm. But most of the important qualities in an NFL quarterback — the ability to make the correct pre-snap and post-snap reads, for example — are indiscernible during the preseason. With the exception of the third preseason game, there's no game plan. Defenses generally don't give real looks. Offenses don't adjust to what the defense is doing. It's not actually football. (I'm overstating things, but not by much.)You can scout RBs in preseason games. You can scout lots of positions. But not QBs. Not in any meaningful way.

 

[Bojang0301]

Rosenfels has looked awful this preseason. I still think Troy Smith would be the perfect fit but he hasn't been too great this preseason either.

Matt Cassel was horrendous the preseason before Brady went down in week 1...

Ya well Matt Cassel never even received a start until Brady went down. Any bumps in his development were bound to happen. Rosenfels is 31, IIRC, going up against third stringers. Sometimes the dream dies. He's no Rich Gannon and got lucky to be in Kubiak's system in Houston.

 

[Bojang0301]

On the market, the QB that makes the most sense is Chad Pennington. Every other QB that would be an upgrade is a backup on a playoff-caliber team (for example, Brunell, Bulger, and Kitna). The Dolphins have Tyler Thigpen, who is very good, and could fill the backup role behind Henne. I think they would part with Pennington for a 3rd rounder. I would consider this as well if I was Whisenhunt.

Seems the Dolphins have done more posturing to trade Thigpen than Pennington. They should probably keep both since the Pat White catastrophe is almost over.

 

[Abraham]

Chad Pennington isn't getting traded. And even if he were, he wouldn't fetch a third rounder.

 

[Abraham]

Rosenfels has looked awful this preseason. I still think Troy Smith would be the perfect fit but he hasn't been too great this preseason either.

Matt Cassel was horrendous the preseason before Brady went down in week 1...

Being an awful preseason quarterback is like being an awful bowler. Your buddies may rib you for it — but it has almost no bearing on what kind of NFL quarterback you'll make.There are certain things you can tell from watching preseason games, and certain things you can't tell. If somebody throws the ball 80 yards, you can tell he's got a strong arm. But most of the important qualities in an NFL quarterback — the ability to make the correct pre-snap and post-snap reads, for example — are indiscernible during the preseason. With the exception of the third preseason game, there's no game plan. Defenses generally don't give real looks. Offenses don't adjust to what the defense is doing. It's not actually football. (I'm overstating things, but not by much.)You can scout RBs in preseason games. You can scout lots of positions. But not QBs. Not in any meaningful way.

Agreed - so shouldn't both Leinart and Anderson be able to move the offense a bit better then they are?

 

[AngryPatriot]

Wow- these QB's are really bad. Lienert looks to have no arm strength, Anderson no accuracy, too much speed when not needed...

Fitzgerald gets a bump down for sure.

"... Anderson jumping around in the pocket... that'll stop the jumping."

(Tirico) LOL

 

[FunkyPlutos]

Rosenfels has looked awful this preseason. I still think Troy Smith would be the perfect fit but he hasn't been too great this preseason either.

23-34 for 320 yards and 3 TDs in the preseason opener.

 

[Abraham]

Rosenfels has looked awful this preseason. I still think Troy Smith would be the perfect fit but he hasn't been too great this preseason either.

23-34 for 320 yards and 3 TDs in the preseason opener.

Did you watch that game? (Serious question) HE basically chucked the ball past an overzealous defense and completed three long touchdowns. Not saying he's been "awful" but he hasn't been all that good either.

 

[Abraham]

Why was Max Hall getting so many snaps and Skelton getting none? I honestly think the Cards are going in to the season with Leinart and Anderson determining their fortunes. But you'd think that the team would like to get some game reps for both young QBs in the event the wheels completely fall off and they have to turn to one or the other.

 

[Federal]

Why was Max Hall getting so many snaps and Skelton getting none? I honestly think the Cards are going in to the season with Leinart and Anderson determining their fortunes. But you'd think that the team would like to get some game reps for both young QBs in the event the wheels completely fall off and they have to turn to one or the other.

Not an answer to your question, just some local perception. Max Hall was been outperforming Skelton at camp, significantly. Much has to do with the level of competition each has faced to date, but Hall has been called a "Whisenhunt guy". Hall always seems to be in a conversation with a coach (often Whiz), and seemed to always know where he was going with the ball (kinda like....?). I was disappointed he didn't get to play week one, but pleased to see some extended action tonight.Getting down to 3 will be tough, unless they can sneak hall onto the ps.

 

[Rovers]

Kellen Clemmens anyone? After you finish laughing and get back up off the floor... think about it. The Jets would like to trade him, and I don't think he's any worse than what AZ has now, and would be pretty cheap.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

Kellen Clemmens anyone? After you finish laughing and get back up off the floor... think about it. The Jets would like to trade him, and I don't think he's any worse than what AZ has now, and would be pretty cheap.

The Cardinals' current QBs aren't any worse than what AZ has now, either. What does Clemmens add?

 

[jerry jones]

Kellen Clemmens anyone? After you finish laughing and get back up off the floor... think about it. The Jets would like to trade him, and I don't think he's any worse than what AZ has now, and would be pretty cheap.

The Cardinals' current QBs aren't any worse than what AZ has now, either. What does Clemmens add?

 

[Casting Couch]

Kellen Clemmens anyone? After you finish laughing and get back up off the floor... think about it. The Jets would like to trade him, and I don't think he's any worse than what AZ has now, and would be pretty cheap.

The Cardinals' current QBs aren't any worse than what AZ has now, either. What does Clemmens add?

Talent ?

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

The Cardinals have made their bed for the season and now they're going to have to lay in it. They didn't bring in McNabb, they didn't bring in Bulger, they must have figured they were all set at QB or that Warner was Farve.

This is preseason, Leinart is not going to get cut or isn't going to not get his chance during the regular season. We all may believe down to our bones that he's going to be horrible, but at this point he's going to get his shot. At worst, everyone in the world sees Leinart now for who he is and then they will be able to cut and move on. At best, he doesn't play well in preseasons and he'll be able to turn his game on during the regular season.

The Cardinals aren't bringing in any of these other bums like J. Kitna or Clemmens, they'd be in the same situation as they are right now, in need of a QB. I'm a little surprised the Cardinals pushed All In with Leinart knowing how disappointed they been in him up to this point. I'd like to hear the GM's perspective on that when outside of the QB position, you have a potential playoff team, how do you not plan accordingly.

 

[Rovers]

Honestly, I think Clemens is better than most people think, and I beleive he is better than anything on the AZ roster is right now.

Yes, I'm a Jets fan, and while many Jets fans think Clemens bites, an equal proportion think he could be an effective game manager, and possibly slightly better than just that. He has never gotten much time with the starters since he's been a Jet. Clearly, the Jets were showcasing him against the Giants and he played pretty well.

As a Jets fan, I don't want to see him traded. This 40 year old backup QB )Brunell) has looked like a 50 year old. I'm much more comfortable with Clemens on the roster.

 

[Zackattack]

Honestly, I think Clemens is better than most people think, and I beleive he is better than anything on the AZ roster is right now.

Yes, I'm a Jets fan, and while many Jets fans think Clemens bites, an equal proportion think he could be an effective game manager, and possibly slightly better than just that. He has never gotten much time with the starters since he's been a Jet. Clearly, the Jets were showcasing him against the Giants and he played pretty well.

As a Jets fan, I don't want to see him traded. This 40 year old backup QB )Brunell) has looked like a 50 year old. I'm much more comfortable with Clemens on the roster.

The Jets may need him since Sanchez sure looks pretty piss poor out there as well.

 

[Rovers]

Honestly, I think Clemens is better than most people think, and I beleive he is better than anything on the AZ roster is right now.

Yes, I'm a Jets fan, and while many Jets fans think Clemens bites, an equal proportion think he could be an effective game manager, and possibly slightly better than just that. He has never gotten much time with the starters since he's been a Jet. Clearly, the Jets were showcasing him against the Giants and he played pretty well.

As a Jets fan, I don't want to see him traded. This 40 year old backup QB )Brunell) has looked like a 50 year old. I'm much more comfortable with Clemens on the roster.

The Jets may need him since Sanchez sure looks pretty piss poor out there as well.

 

[Raider Nation]

Have we named just about every QB who could be acquired via trade to start week 1 for Arizona nineteen days from now?

 

[Raider Nation]

Where is LHUCKS to report on this latest Leinart development?

If Anderson gets the gig, HUCKS is covered. D.A. played in the PAC-10 also.

 

[heidbrink]

Have we named just about every QB who could be acquired via trade to start week 1 for Arizona nineteen days from now?

What's Aaron Brooks up to?...

 

[JohnnyU]

Bert Jones is still better than anyone on that roster and he's in his late 50s.

 

[Raider Nation]

Bert Jones is still better than anyone on that roster and he's in his late 50s.

Loved that dude. Jeff George with a brain.

 

[kutta]

Rosenfels has looked awful this preseason. I still think Troy Smith would be the perfect fit but he hasn't been too great this preseason either.

Matt Cassel was horrendous the preseason before Brady went down in week 1...

Being an awful preseason quarterback is like being an awful bowler. Your buddies may rib you for it — but it has almost no bearing on what kind of NFL quarterback you'll make.There are certain things you can tell from watching preseason games, and certain things you can't tell. If somebody throws the ball 80 yards, you can tell he's got a strong arm. But most of the important qualities in an NFL quarterback — the ability to make the correct pre-snap and post-snap reads, for example — are indiscernible during the preseason. With the exception of the third preseason game, there's no game plan. Defenses generally don't give real looks. Offenses don't adjust to what the defense is doing. It's not actually football. (I'm overstating things, but not by much.)You can scout RBs in preseason games. You can scout lots of positions. But not QBs. Not in any meaningful way.

I disagree. Preseason gives us a chance to see QBs in a game. We can see if they can manage a game. We can see if they have arm strength, or if they lack arm strength. We can see if they can handle pressure. We can see how accurate they are.I agree with you regarding QBs who play well in preseason. I don't think that means very much. But if a QB is bad in preseason I think we can start looking at some of the things above and reaching conclusions.

 

[Joe Summer]

Kellen Clemmens anyone? After you finish laughing and get back up off the floor... think about it. The Jets would like to trade him, and I don't think he's any worse than what AZ has now, and would be pretty cheap.

I'm sure the Jets would like to trade Clemens and his career 59.7 passer rating!!!The last thing the Cardinals need is another overrated quarterback from a second-tier high school in rural Oregon.

 

[Rovers]

Bert Jones is still better than anyone on that roster and he's in his late 50s.

Loved that dude. Jeff George with a brain.

It is rare that Jones is mentioned, but he should be. I LOVED to watch him play. He had a freakin boatlaod of talent and an attitude to match. One of my top twnety favorite players of all time... honest. If he had stayed healthy... HoF.

 

[Rovers]

Kellen Clemmens anyone? After you finish laughing and get back up off the floor... think about it. The Jets would like to trade him, and I don't think he's any worse than what AZ has now, and would be pretty cheap.

I'm sure the Jets would like to trade Clemens and his career 59.7 passer rating!!!The last thing the Cardinals need is another overrated quarterback from a second-tier high school in rural Oregon.

That is a number, and one that does not accurately portray Clemens' ability. When he went on for Pennington, they refused to open the playbook. He got rocked. They just teed off on him. But, I knew when I mentioned it, I'd be ducking. I've watchd every snap he's taken in preseason and regular season games, and I've wathced him at Jets training camps at least 20 times. He is better than people think. If you want a good handle on Clemens, and where he is now as an NFL QB, watch a replay of the preseason game against the Giants last week. I have my reasons for NOT wanting him to get traded. He can manage a game, and even make some plays.

 

[Raider Nation]

Bert Jones is still better than anyone on that roster and he's in his late 50s.

Loved that dude. Jeff George with a brain.

It is rare that Jones is mentioned, but he should be. I LOVED to watch him play. He had a freakin boatlaod of talent and an attitude to match. One of my top twnety favorite players of all time... honest. If he had stayed healthy... HoF.

He was a key figure in one of my favorite games ever -- "Ghost to the Post"Loved how the Colts held hands in the huddle (very 1970's)... Bert's Spotbilts kicking up the dirt at old Memorial Stadium... the pouch in the front of his #7 jersey... CANNON arm... never-say-die attitude and courage.

He would have made a fine Raider.

Memories

Apologies for the hijack.

 

[Joe Summer]

Kellen Clemmens anyone? After you finish laughing and get back up off the floor... think about it. The Jets would like to trade him, and I don't think he's any worse than what AZ has now, and would be pretty cheap.

I'm sure the Jets would like to trade Clemens and his career 59.7 passer rating!!!The last thing the Cardinals need is another overrated quarterback from a second-tier high school in rural Oregon.

That is a number, and one that does not accurately portray Clemens' ability. When he went on for Pennington, they refused to open the playbook.

That's code for "He's not good enough to handle the entire playbook, so we'll dumb it down for him". And he still couldn't handle it.Half a game of preseason action isn't going to change that.

 

[Rovers]

Kellen Clemmens anyone? After you finish laughing and get back up off the floor... think about it. The Jets would like to trade him, and I don't think he's any worse than what AZ has now, and would be pretty cheap.

I'm sure the Jets would like to trade Clemens and his career 59.7 passer rating!!!The last thing the Cardinals need is another overrated quarterback from a second-tier high school in rural Oregon.

That is a number, and one that does not accurately portray Clemens' ability. When he went on for Pennington, they refused to open the playbook.

That's code for "He's not good enough to handle the entire playbook, so we'll dumb it down for him". And he still couldn't handle it.Half a game of preseason action isn't going to change that.

Um... no. The first time he played for Pennington they handcuffed him. Mangini at his worst. In fact, that second game against the Ravens when the Jets HAD to let him throw the ball, he darned near won that game with a rather remarkable comeback. Clemens wasn't the problem, Mangini was. When Clemen's chance finally came, Woody Johnson stepped in and wanted star power... and the Jets traded up to get Sanchez. Since you are intent on knocking Clemens, while clearly having formed that opinion in a vacuum, let me help you out.

He does not have a strong arm. He can loft it 55 yards, but gets a little too much air under it. He probably doesn't have the arm to make all the sideline out throws. He doesn't have that "inate" leadership quality. He can sometimes get happy feet and feel pressure that isn't there.

Why he doesn't suck: He's an intelligent QB, can make reads, can check down and recognizes defenses well. He sees blitzes and is hard to fool. Can change the play at the line including blocking assignments. Accurate if underpowered passing abilty. Not a lot different than Pennington was less the natural leadership quality, just never got the opportunity. Unselfish team guy. Doesn't get in a funk after a bad play. Emotionally mature. Could be a very servicable QB in the right situation.

Anderson is an INT machine. Lienert seems like he's never going to get it. I think Clemens is better than either of them. He's no QB of the future, but he's better than the trash AZ is trotting out there now. No, I don't think he's good enough to get the Cards into the playoffs, but I think he's good enough to make them an 8-8 team. If they don't make a change, I see AZ at best with 6 wins.

 

[Banger]

All this speculation on who they may pick up is fun but you guys have to come back to reality. They aren't going to add another QB a couple weeks before the season, it's the NFL not fantasy football. They will roll with the garbage they have and be terrible this season.

 

[Godsbrother]

Maybe they turn to their friends in Pittsburgh and see if they can pry one of their two aged vets (Leftwich or Batch). Or maybe they make a play for Dixon. When Roethlisberger comes back from the suspension, there is no way they keep 4 qb's is there?

Batch is going to be cut but I doubt that Arizona would be interested. I think barring injury the Cardinals go with the QBs they already have.

 

[Godsbrother]

Bert Jones is still better than anyone on that roster and he's in his late 50s.

Loved that dude. Jeff George with a brain.

It is rare that Jones is mentioned, but he should be. I LOVED to watch him play. He had a freakin boatlaod of talent and an attitude to match. One of my top twnety favorite players of all time... honest. If he had stayed healthy... HoF.

Jones was a pretty good QB but my favorite recollections of him were in the 1975 & 76 playoffs when the Steelers beat the living crap out of him.

 

[FunkyPlutos]

Rosenfels has looked awful this preseason. I still think Troy Smith would be the perfect fit but he hasn't been too great this preseason either.

23-34 for 320 yards and 3 TDs in the preseason opener.

Did you watch that game? (Serious question) HE basically chucked the ball past an overzealous defense and completed three long touchdowns. Not saying he's been "awful" but he hasn't been all that good either.

I'm not saying he is a savior, but he was far from awful.

 

[Reaper]

Kellen Clemmens anyone? After you finish laughing and get back up off the floor... think about it. The Jets would like to trade him, and I don't think he's any worse than what AZ has now, and would be pretty cheap.

I'm sure the Jets would like to trade Clemens and his career 59.7 passer rating!!!The last thing the Cardinals need is another overrated quarterback from a second-tier high school in rural Oregon.

That is a number, and one that does not accurately portray Clemens' ability. When he went on for Pennington, they refused to open the playbook.

That's code for "He's not good enough to handle the entire playbook, so we'll dumb it down for him". And he still couldn't handle it.Half a game of preseason action isn't going to change that.

Um... no. The first time he played for Pennington they handcuffed him. Mangini at his worst. In fact, that second game against the Ravens when the Jets HAD to let him throw the ball, he darned near won that game with a rather remarkable comeback. Clemens wasn't the problem, Mangini was. When Clemen's chance finally came, Woody Johnson stepped in and wanted star power... and the Jets traded up to get Sanchez.

No Shock.. But, I'm with ya Rovers.... Always have been regarding Clemens...

Clemens wins that Ravens game if not for 2 horrible drops.

1st they got Brett Favre.... Then Sanchez...

I think we were both on board with Clemens starting and Sanchez holding a clipboard for a while but, it worked out well so far.

And I also hope Clemens stays in NY.

 

[Couch Potato]

All this speculation on who they may pick up is fun but you guys have to come back to reality. They aren't going to add another QB a couple weeks before the season, it's the NFL not fantasy football. They will roll with the garbage they have and be terrible this season.

Exactly right. They have committed to Leinart to start the season, Anderson if they need to make a change. You don't trade for someone else's career backup two weeks before the start of the season, with no exposure to the system or the WRs, hoping to make him your savior. C'mon people, that's just nonsense.Leinart played one quarter. It seems to me if the coaches were fretting about all this they would have kept him in longer and given him more work. Yes, Leinart threw a bunch of short passes, but he was without both Fitz and Doucet who didn't play. He was 4 of 6 on the passes he did throw. People are talking in this thread as though he was 4-20, not 4-6.I'm not a Leinart fan, but jeez, some of you are bashing when there's nothing even there to talk about. One quarter, 4 of 6, two starting WRs out. Big deal.

 

[cr8f]

Bert Jones is still better than anyone on that roster and he's in his late 50s.

Outside of Skelton I would have to agree. Maybe he could back up Peyton.

 

[fightingillini]

Rosenfels has looked awful this preseason. I still think Troy Smith would be the perfect fit but he hasn't been too great this preseason either.

Matt Cassel was horrendous the preseason before Brady went down in week 1...

Being an awful preseason quarterback is like being an awful bowler. Your buddies may rib you for it — but it has almost no bearing on what kind of NFL quarterback you'll make.There are certain things you can tell from watching preseason games, and certain things you can't tell. If somebody throws the ball 80 yards, you can tell he's got a strong arm. But most of the important qualities in an NFL quarterback — the ability to make the correct pre-snap and post-snap reads, for example — are indiscernible during the preseason. With the exception of the third preseason game, there's no game plan. Defenses generally don't give real looks. Offenses don't adjust to what the defense is doing. It's not actually football. (I'm overstating things, but not by much.)You can scout RBs in preseason games. You can scout lots of positions. But not QBs. Not in any meaningful way.

I disagree. Preseason gives us a chance to see QBs in a game. We can see if they can manage a game. We can see if they have arm strength, or if they lack arm strength. We can see if they can handle pressure. We can see how accurate they are.I agree with you regarding QBs who play well in preseason. I don't think that means very much. But if a QB is bad in preseason I think we can start looking at some of the things above and reaching conclusions.

You can see arm strength and accuracy at the combine. You may get a sense if they can handle pressure, but as Maurile alluded to, you aren't seeing REAL defenses in the preseason. You don't see defenses mixing it up and disguising what they are trying to do. A good QB can read that and make the right decision with in a couple of seconds.A lot of the time a QB isn't doing well in the preseason....it's due to lack of timing. Playing with new receivers. It takes time to get in sync with each other.In other words, QB play in the preseason doesn't mean that much to me.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

All this speculation on who they may pick up is fun but you guys have to come back to reality. They aren't going to add another QB a couple weeks before the season, it's the NFL not fantasy football. They will roll with the garbage they have and be terrible this season.

Exactly right. They have committed to Leinart to start the season, Anderson if they need to make a change. You don't trade for someone else's career backup two weeks before the start of the season, with no exposure to the system or the WRs, hoping to make him your savior. C'mon people, that's just nonsense.Leinart played one quarter. It seems to me if the coaches were fretting about all this they would have kept him in longer and given him more work. Yes, Leinart threw a bunch of short passes, but he was without both Fitz and Doucet who didn't play. He was 4 of 6 on the passes he did throw. People are talking in this thread as though he was 4-20, not 4-6.I'm not a Leinart fan, but jeez, some of you are bashing when there's nothing even there to talk about. One quarter, 4 of 6, two starting WRs out. Big deal.

I hear what you are saying, but I didn't see what you are saying. I saw a quarterback that frankly sucked. Will be interesting to see how the season goes.

 

[Area51Inhabitant]

If a guy has a track record like Romo, you can overlook some off performances during the pre season because of the expectation that once the real bullets start flying that the qb and receivers will get on the same page by week 1. Leinart doesn't have that recent track record so he will get scrutinized more fair or not because his job situation isn't as guaranteed as is Romo's. FWIW, the Cardinals weren't doing him many favors last night with some of the personnel and play calling. Leinart should be able to better recognize the blitz and audible out of some of those calls but they really need to try and build his confidence up a little next week. He needs the full first half with the starters and the whole offense needs a couple of extended drives to get some confidence and rhythm.

 

[kutta]

Rosenfels has looked awful this preseason. I still think Troy Smith would be the perfect fit but he hasn't been too great this preseason either.

Matt Cassel was horrendous the preseason before Brady went down in week 1...

Being an awful preseason quarterback is like being an awful bowler. Your buddies may rib you for it — but it has almost no bearing on what kind of NFL quarterback you'll make.There are certain things you can tell from watching preseason games, and certain things you can't tell. If somebody throws the ball 80 yards, you can tell he's got a strong arm. But most of the important qualities in an NFL quarterback — the ability to make the correct pre-snap and post-snap reads, for example — are indiscernible during the preseason. With the exception of the third preseason game, there's no game plan. Defenses generally don't give real looks. Offenses don't adjust to what the defense is doing. It's not actually football. (I'm overstating things, but not by much.)You can scout RBs in preseason games. You can scout lots of positions. But not QBs. Not in any meaningful way.

I disagree. Preseason gives us a chance to see QBs in a game. We can see if they can manage a game. We can see if they have arm strength, or if they lack arm strength. We can see if they can handle pressure. We can see how accurate they are.I agree with you regarding QBs who play well in preseason. I don't think that means very much. But if a QB is bad in preseason I think we can start looking at some of the things above and reaching conclusions.

You can see arm strength and accuracy at the combine. You may get a sense if they can handle pressure, but as Maurile alluded to, you aren't seeing REAL defenses in the preseason. You don't see defenses mixing it up and disguising what they are trying to do. A good QB can read that and make the right decision with in a couple of seconds.A lot of the time a QB isn't doing well in the preseason....it's due to lack of timing. Playing with new receivers. It takes time to get in sync with each other.In other words, QB play in the preseason doesn't mean that much to me.

So if QB play in preseason doesn't mean anything, why do coaches, Whisenhunt included, use preseason performance to determine who their starting QB is going to be? He did it a couple years ago and he is doing it again. Are we just so dumb that we can't evaluate QBs in preseason but coaches can?I agree that you can't draw too many conclusions. But to disregard horrible performances because of a preconceived notion that preseason doesn't mean anything is a mistake.

 

[Grahamburn]

All this speculation on who they may pick up is fun but you guys have to come back to reality. They aren't going to add another QB a couple weeks before the season, it's the NFL not fantasy football. They will roll with the garbage they have and be terrible this season.

Exactly right. They have committed to Leinart to start the season, Anderson if they need to make a change. You don't trade for someone else's career backup two weeks before the start of the season, with no exposure to the system or the WRs, hoping to make him your savior. C'mon people, that's just nonsense.Leinart played one quarter. It seems to me if the coaches were fretting about all this they would have kept him in longer and given him more work. Yes, Leinart threw a bunch of short passes, but he was without both Fitz and Doucet who didn't play. He was 4 of 6 on the passes he did throw. People are talking in this thread as though he was 4-20, not 4-6.I'm not a Leinart fan, but jeez, some of you are bashing when there's nothing even there to talk about. One quarter, 4 of 6, two starting WRs out. Big deal.

People are really overreacting here. He had three series in the game and completed 4 of the 6 throws he made. Tim Hightower was going backwards on his runs and they had 2 third and longs. On the third and short Leinart took a shot down the sideline and even Jaworski mentioned that the WR (who wasn't even looking for the ball) should have broken off the route.This team needs to give the ball to Beanie Wells, get into some shorter down and distances, and let Leinart complete the short stuff. They'll have much more success with that philosophy, and I expect to see that during the regular season.