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Republican alternative to Obamacare released (1 Viewer)

Jackstraw

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Looks very similar to Obamacare in many respects. This article discusses it in some detail. It addresses the big tax increase in the plan on employer contributions to employee health plans. As I understand it that has already been stripped out of the bill which I assume makes it a big deficit creator.

I was already anxious to see the OMB score the plan. I can only assume taking the primary revenue generator out of the plan makes it pretty ugly. Anyway the article explains the plan in great detail. Turns out actually governing is harder than it looks. Probably should have stayed on the sidleines flinging poo. Going to post half of it because it is so long. It actually gets worse at the end tho.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/29/opinion/comparing-obamacare-to-its-alternative.html?ref=opinion&_r=0

FROM the moment the ink dried on March 23, 2010, Republicans said they intended to “repeal and replace” the Affordable Care Act. They have voted more than 40 times to wipe the law from the books. But Republicans have never gotten around to describing, in detail, the set of policies they believe should replace Obamacare. That is, until yesterday.

After nearly four years, we finally have a Republican counterproposal: the Patient Choice, Affordability, Responsibility and Empowerment (or Patient CARE) Act.

Senators Tom Coburn, Richard Burr and Orrin Hatch deserve credit for developing this plan. Putting together a proposal to reform the American health care system is hard and politically courageous. And while it is lacking in important details, this plan contains some interesting ideas that might have enabled bipartisan compromises had they been offered in 2009, when I was a health care adviser to the Obama administration and the Affordable Care Act was being debated. For instance, the plan would shift many low-income adults from Medicaid to subsidized private insurance. There are some Democrats who could certainly have supported such a proposal, if it had been offered as part of a deal to enact a bipartisan bill.

Despite all the heated rhetoric from Republicans about Obamacare laying ruin to America, the plan would actually keep some of the law’s key provisions. It would preserve some subsidies for lower-income people to buy private insurance, though it would change the way they are calculated. Those $700 billion worth of Medicare savings Mitt Romney denounced during the 2012 campaign? Republicans would keep them. Allowing young adults to stay on their parents’ plan until age 26? Republicans would keep that, too. And the ban on lifetime insurance caps, so people with very expensive diseases don’t lose insurance? Republicans wouldn’t touch it.

But in other crucial ways, the Republican plan is different. First, Obamacare’s absolute ban on withholding coverage from people with pre-existing conditions would be rolled back. Those who remained continuously insured would stay protected, so they couldn’t be charged higher rates or be excluded entirely. But if their insurance lapsed, health insurance companies could charge more or refuse to cover them.


Second, it would shrink the Medicaid expansion. Pregnant women, children and families below the poverty line would still be eligible, but childless adults would not. States would be given a fixed amount per person enrolled in Medicaid to reduce spending.

Third, the Republicans would provide tax credits for people to buy insurance, but only for families earning up to $70,650 per year. (The Affordable Care Act’s subsidies go to families earning up to $94,200.) And employees of large companies, even if those companies did not offer health insurance, would be exempt, regardless of income.

The largest difference is in cost control. Currently, employer-sponsored health insurance is tax free; the Republican plan would make employees pay income tax on at least 35 percent of what their company pays for their plan. The idea is to make patients pay more for their coverage, giving them an incentive to choose cheaper health insurance plans with more deductibles and co-payments, which, in turn, would encourage them to shop around for cheaper tests and treatments and forgo unnecessary ones.

On a more individual level, this is what the Republican plan means: If you are one of the 150 million Americans who get their health insurance through an employer-sponsored plan, get ready for a big tax increase. For a family in the 28 percent tax bracket (earning around $150,000 per year), according to my calculations, it would add up to about $1,470 per year.

 
I like the idea of taxing a portion of employer-contributions. Is that in or out of the current plan? Your first paragraph suggests that it's been removed.

 
Why are we still not discussing a master charge master? Yes, I know treatments might cost different amounts in different areas but the unlimited pricing flexibility is nuts.

 
I like the idea of taxing a portion of employer-contributions. Is that in or out of the current plan? Your first paragraph suggests that it's been removed.
Coburn changed the wording after it was brought to their attention that they were basically calling for one of the biggest tax increases ever. Had to do with basing the tax on the cost of an "average" plan. They since changed it to a higher level.

 
I'm fine with most of these changes. Its a shame they aren't even remotely trying to govern because I think some of these changes could have been voted on instead of voting to repeal obamacare yet again. Its amazing to me that they've gone butt up on this issue, and are now basically saying it just needs to be tweaked. The chutzpah of calling this a republican plan instead of debating changes to the aca is just absurd.

 
ACA is an insurance company give away. This is an insurance company gang bang with us getting to pull the train.

 
in order to do this, they'll need a majority in both houses and a Republican President, right?
Certainly. However, with Democrats constantly (and perhaps rightly*) making the argument that the GOP had no plan of their own, they kind of have to offer a plan even if there's no chance of passing it.

* I say "perhaps" because I don't believe it should be required that the GOP offer or agree to a single plan, just like Democrats didn't all agree on all the details of the ACA.

 
Unfortunately, this like the ACA, isn't doing anything to actually make healthcare cost less.
:goodposting:

Both plans suck and should be scrapped.

Anyone serious about healthcare reform should be behind forcing competition between ins. companies. That will lead to lower costs, more people covered and an end to pre-existing conditions.

Until then nothing is worthy.

 
Both plans suck and should be scrapped.

Anyone serious about healthcare reform should be behind forcing competition between ins. companies. That will lead to lower costs, more people covered and an end to pre-existing conditions.

Until then nothing is worthy.
This is all well and good except for a couple minor points.Competition between insurance companies is what created the concept of pre existing conditions.

Both the aca and this alternative are intended to spur competition in the private insurance marketplace.

The aca denies insurance companies the ability to refuse service to a pre existing condition, and makes you pay a fine if you lapse coverage, while this proposal allows you to lapse coverage, but you put yourself at risk of getting denied coverage when you pick back up because of any pre existing condition at the time of coverage renewal. The latter is a much, much steeper penalty for anyone who lapses coverage even briefly because insurance companies will do everything in their power to deny their most expensive claims, which is precisely the issue the aca was designed to address.

Both plans force competition for insurance, but the republican plan reduces the tax benefit for coverage plans which raises the price sensitivity to the consumer, and also moves some low income people from government provided public insurance to government subsidized private insurance. This seems reasonable to me.

So basically you're asking for things that are kind of happening already.

 
I'm fine with most of these changes. Its a shame they aren't even remotely trying to govern because I think some of these changes could have been voted on instead of voting to repeal obamacare yet again. Its amazing to me that they've gone butt up on this issue, and are now basically saying it just needs to be tweaked. The chutzpah of calling this a republican plan instead of debating changes to the aca is just absurd.
Agreed. Taxing employer-provided health insurance is a no-brainer just from the standpoint of good public policy. And the part about allowing adjustments for pre-existing conditions is also good, in that it encourages people to maintain continuous coverage and severely punishes the practice of going without insurance until you fall ill to something serious. These are both ideas that ought to enjoy bipartisan consensus. (I say that as somebody who supported Obamacare in the first place -- these are good modifications).

 
Too early to evaluate anything but I will say this to begin with:

  • I have always believed "repeal and replace" (and not plain repeal) would be the way they would go; and
  • there is something really weird about the timing of the pull back on the filibuster rules. The Democrats would be best served to wait until after the election to do this to start off a new session with this power; but instead they have left the GOP this very powerful tool as they sit on the cusp of maybe possibly potentially grabbing both houses of Congress.
Just sayin'.

 
Texas judge deems Obamacare HIV prevention drug mandate unlawful

Sept 7 (Reuters) - A requirement under the U.S. law known as Obamacare that private insurance plans cover drugs that prevent HIV infection at no cost to patients violates both federal law and the Constitution, a federal judge ruled on Wednesday, siding with conservative lawyers who had challenged the measure on religious grounds.

Ruling in Fort Worth, Texas, U.S. District Judge Reed O'Connor found that the HIV pre-exposure prophylaxis, or PrEP, mandate stemmed from a recommendation by an advisory body formed in violation of constitutional requirements and could infringe upon the rights of employers under a law called the Religious Freedom Restoration Act. The mandate is part of the Affordable Care Act (ACA), as Obamacare is formally called.

The legal challenge was filed in 2020 by eight individuals and two businesses, all from Texas. They argued that the free PrEP requirement, as well as free coverage requirements for contraceptives and the human papillomavirus (HPV) vaccine, requires business owners to pay for services that "encourage homosexual behavior, prostitution, sexual promiscuity and intravenous drug use" despite their religious beliefs.

The conservative America First Legal Foundation is helping to represent the plaintiffs. The group was founded by Stephen Miller, who served as an adviser to Republican former President Donald Trump.

The American Cancer Society Cancer Action Network said in a statement that the ruling could threaten free preventive care more broadly, including routine cancer screenings.

O'Connor, an appointee of Republican former President George W. Bush, ruled in 2018 in a previous case that the ACA, a landmark U.S. healthcare law signed by Democratic former President Barack Obama in 2010, was unconstitutional.

The Supreme Court subsequently ruled in 2021 that Texas and other states that had challenged Obamacare with the support of Trump's administration lacked the proper legal standing to pursue that case. The ACA has survived several reviews by the U.S. Supreme Court. read more

O'Connor has not yet specified how his new ruling will be enforced. It is not clear what the judge's decision means for the advisory body, called the Preventive Services Task Force (PSTF), which is convened by an official of the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) and recommends a wide range of preventive services to be covered under the ACA.

The judge found that the U.S. Constitution requires that the task force's members be appointed directly by the president.

O'Connor has not yet ruled on the challenge to the contraceptives mandate and rejected the challenge to the HPV vaccine mandate. The HPV vaccine sold by Merck & Co (MRK.N) prevents cancers caused by the virus.

HHS said in a statement that it "continues to work to ensure that people can access healthcare, free from discrimination."

A lawyer for the plaintiffs had no immediate comment.

The PrEP drugs approved in the United States to prevent HIV infection, which can cause AIDS, are made by Gilead Sciences Inc (GILD.O) and by ViiV Healthcare, a joint venture of GSK Plc (GSK.L), Pfizer Inc (PFE.N) and Shionogi & Co Ltd (4507.T).

A GSK spokesperson said PrEP coverage was "critical to ensuring health equity and helping end the HIV epidemic" and that the company would follow the case as it develops.

These people want to bring us back to the 19th century. Disgusting.
 
Started in 2014 and as close to being a reality today as it was 8 years ago. :lol:

This is almost as sussessful as infrastructure week.
 

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