Republicans - Big government is bad, but big business is good - why? (1 Viewer)

[Mario Kart]

Money + Power >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Equality

 

[Stealthycat]

So you think government controls big business?

"controls" ...... they harness them with rules and regulations, not sure what you mean by control

 

[Stealthycat]

Real Estate.  Lol.  Boomers kids will never be able to own the property they did because they made so much money.  It's not because they were great investors, it was because where the economy was when they were working.  Just facts.  

then link me to your facts supporting other then

https://thecollegeinvestor.com/11300/90-percent-worlds-millionaires-do-this/

https://www.forbes.com/sites/omaseddiq/2018/03/10/how-the-worlds-billionaires-got-so-rich/#61124852124c

 

[Stealthycat]

40% of the country can't afford an unexpected $400 expense

why ?

 

[IC FBGCav]

"controls" ...... they harness them with rules and regulations, not sure what you mean by control

Yes, business harness them.

 

[IC FBGCav]

then link me to your facts supporting other then

https://thecollegeinvestor.com/11300/90-percent-worlds-millionaires-do-this/

https://www.forbes.com/sites/omaseddiq/2018/03/10/how-the-worlds-billionaires-got-so-rich/#61124852124c

https://www.gq.com/story/mark-blyth-economics-interview?verso=true

 

[IC FBGCav]

why ?

Usually because they have kids and need to take care of them.

 

[Stealthycat]

https://www.gq.com/story/mark-blyth-economics-interview?verso=true

you said "Third much of the wealth comes from constant war.  HTH."

how does the above link prove your statement ?

 

[Stealthycat]

Usually because they have kids and need to take care of them.

"40% of the country can't afford an unexpected $400 expense"

we can talk about this all day long if you'd like .......... I'm guessing a good number of those same 40% smoke, drink, they have $150 a month cell phones, $100 a month cable tv etc

people have choices and the have personal responsibility

 

[IC FBGCav]

"40% of the country can't afford an unexpected $400 expense"

we can talk about this all day long if you'd like .......... I'm guessing a good number of those same 40% smoke, drink, they have $150 a month cell phones, $100 a month cable tv etc

people have choices and the have personal responsibility

So if you run marathons and knees go bad is that cool?  If you bench over your limit and tear stuff?  Cool too?  Get hurt biking or rock climbing cool?

 

[IC FBGCav]

"40% of the country can't afford an unexpected $400 expense"

we can talk about this all day long if you'd like .......... I'm guessing a good number of those same 40% smoke, drink, they have $150 a month cell phones, $100 a month cable tv etc

people have choices and the have personal responsibility

So no freedom here?

 

[Stealthycat]

So if you run marathons and knees go bad is that cool?  If you bench over your limit and tear stuff?  Cool too?  Get hurt biking or rock climbing cool?

what was your plan for when things go wrong? don't tell me you didn't have a plan ..... because if you didn't, that's kinda your responsibility isn't it ?

 

[Stealthycat]

So no freedom here?

100% freedom to choose

you choose to get a good job, have health care, 401K etc ..... that's your choice. You blow your knee's and have to have surgery, you're covered. 

you choose to not have a job, not have insurance, no 401K, no savings .... you blow your knee and need surgery but can't afford it? that too is your choice. 

 

[IC FBGCav]

what was your plan for when things go wrong? don't tell me you didn't have a plan ..... because if you didn't, that's kinda your responsibility isn't it ?

Huh?

 

[IC FBGCav]

100% freedom to choose

you choose to get a good job, have health care, 401K etc ..... that's your choice. You blow your knee's and have to have surgery, you're covered. 

you choose to not have a job, not have insurance, no 401K, no savings .... you blow your knee and need surgery but can't afford it? that too is your choice. 

So we should tax extreme physical activities people more.  Ok?

 

[IC FBGCav]

100% freedom to choose

you choose to get a good job, have health care, 401K etc ..... that's your choice. You blow your knee's and have to have surgery, you're covered. 

you choose to not have a job, not have insurance, no 401K, no savings .... you blow your knee and need surgery but can't afford it? that too is your choice. 

And dumb diet people too?  

 

[Stealthycat]

And dumb diet people too?  

if you choose to not exercise, overeat,  become obese and all the medical issues that come with that ............ and you have never planned for medical insurance or ways to pay for health care?

yep - that's on you too

its called personal responsibility - not having health care in today's world isn't a smart move IMO, but we live in a free society where you can make choices. I think a lot of choices people make are un-smart ...... but that's their choices to make, not mine. That's where I go a bit liberal in my thinking - if your choices doesn't negatively impact someone else? then make the choices, we live in a free society right ?

but if you choose to not have health care coverage by not having a job that provides it, or by not having the money to pay for medical care ........... that's your choice and when you get sick? that's a direct consequence of your choice. 

 

[IC FBGCav]

if you choose to not exercise, overeat,  become obese and all the medical issues that come with that ............ and you have never planned for medical insurance or ways to pay for health care?

yep - that's on you too

its called personal responsibility - not having health care in today's world isn't a smart move IMO, but we live in a free society where you can make choices. I think a lot of choices people make are un-smart ...... but that's their choices to make, not mine. That's where I go a bit liberal in my thinking - if your choices doesn't negatively impact someone else? then make the choices, we live in a free society right ?

but if you choose to not have health care coverage by not having a job that provides it, or by not having the money to pay for medical care ........... that's your choice and when you get sick? that's a direct consequence of your choice. 

Tell me the diet and life styles that are accepted.  But less Govt, you are a joke.

 

[Stealthycat]

Tell me the diet and life styles that are accepted.  But less Govt, you are a joke.

whatever you choose - its not me to tell you your diet or life style

and its not me to pay for your poor choices either is it ?

 

[IC FBGCav]

whatever you choose - its not me to tell you your diet or life style

and its not me to pay for your poor choices either is it ?

Nor yours, if you drive too fast, higher risk cool?  Sex without a condom, higher, living where there is crime, higher.  Drinking alcohol higher.

 

[adonis]

Apple has been jockeying with Microsoft and Amazon for the title of the most powerful valuable companies in the world.

And this causes not a ripple of concern among folks.  it's interesting to me.

The sheer power Apple, Amazon, Microsoft, Facebook, and Google have is just unparalleled in human history, in the hands of such a small group of people.

Our country is reeling from the effects of Twitter, Facebook, and Google alone, just on the basis of their impact in social media and the News.

Our democracy, our culture, our politics, are being re-written, upended, and modified by these companies - without regulation, without oversight, and without frankly much concern from the population.

The oddest thing to me is that the very folks most primed to care about this, those who focus on centralized power being a problem, are the very ones enabling this type of consolidation of power.

 

[Stealthycat]

Nor yours, if you drive too fast, higher risk cool?  Sex without a condom, higher, living where there is crime, higher.  Drinking alcohol higher.

all of that are choices that impact sure 

but accidents and incidents are one thing ....  An estimated 160 million Americans are either obese or overweight. Nearly three-quarters of American men and more than 60% of women are obese or overweight.May 28, 2014

that's a totally different critter isn't it ?

 

[IC FBGCav]

all of that are choices that impact sure 

but accidents and incidents are one thing ....  An estimated 160 million Americans are either obese or overweight. Nearly three-quarters of American men and more than 60% of women are obese or overweight.May 28, 2014

that's a totally different critter isn't it ?

Death is more likely in a home with a gun than without.  To the people living there.

 

[IC FBGCav]

all of that are choices that impact sure 

but accidents and incidents are one thing ....  An estimated 160 million Americans are either obese or overweight. Nearly three-quarters of American men and more than 60% of women are obese or overweight.May 28, 2014

that's a totally different critter isn't it ?

Its not give me your, age, metrics or show me a picture.

 

[Stealthycat]

Death is more likely in a home with a gun than without.  To the people living there.

death from drowning is more likely in homes with pools than without - to the people living there

 

[Ilov80s]

My biggest issue with this thread and many others is the constant referring to the government as "them" or "they". It is "we" and "us". We are a democracy, we aren't ruled by a single party system or a dictator. 

 

[rockaction]

This thread could be called Democrats - huge Industries to bailout, good, corporations bad. 

In all earnestness, both parties have been seriously guilty of making things too big to fail this century. We're basically corporate fascists at this point economically. And we're a trillion. A ####### trillion in debt. 

I'd propose different rules for corporations. I touched on it to Dedfin  the other day in which way I would. I'd reduce their endlessness, scope, and their role in society. Big business has become too big and that's not what the Founders wanted and is also bad for societies.

 

[urbanhack]

I'd propose different rules for corporations. I touched on it to Dedfin  the other day in which way I would. I'd reduce their endlessness, scope, and their role in society. Big business has become too big and that's not what the Founders wanted and is also bad for societies.

We should all be in favor of highly regulated capitalism.  Follow basic rules, don't #### over or harm the general population, pay your taxes and you are still able to make millions and billions if you want.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

My biggest issue with this thread and many others is the constant referring to the government as "them" or "they". It is "we" and "us". We are a democracy, we aren't ruled by a single party system or a dictator. 

It's amazing how many bow to their "leaders" when it is they that work for us. Who pays who?

 

[rockaction]

We should all be in favor of highly regulated capitalism.  Follow basic rules, don't #### over or harm the general population, pay your taxes and you are still able to make millions and billions if you want.

It's actually conservative to support this, too. The Founders intended several things about corporations: 

• They would not be endless - they would be for the length of the job
  
• They would be iimited in scope - that is the project they were formed for would be one or two projects only and it would be In the corporate charter and they would be held to their charter
  
• They would be formed for public services, defined broadly, but ones that justified their giant profits
  

Much like conservatives think that liberals lost their way once they became hedonistic libertines, so do liberals think we lost our way when we deviated from pretty clear rules and got too big and too rich.

Both sides are right, IMO. A compromise could be met. Let's do it. 

 

[urbanhack]

It's actually conservative to support this, too. The Founders intended several things about corporations: 

• They would not be endless - they would be for the length of the job
  
• They would be iimited in scope - that is the project they were formed for would be one or two projects only and it would be In the corporate charter and they would be held to their charter
  
• They would be formed for public services, defined broadly, but ones that justified their giant profits
  

Much like conservatives think that liberals lost their way once they became hedonistic libertines, so do liberals think we lost our way when we deviated from pretty clear rules and got too big and too rich.

Both sides are right, IMO. A compromise could be met. Let's do it. 

Not sure how you equate modern-day conservatives to our founders. 

Plenty of conservatives here that think any type of regulation on business is a bad thing.

 

[rockaction]

That's not a regulation. A corporation is a privilege to have because it immunizes you from personal liability at common law if something goes wrong on a project.   

 

[rockaction]

you, being the officers of the corp. and the shareholders.  

 

[TwinTurbo]

Amazon, Apple, Netflix, Facebook, Microsoft, Netflix, Google.

Decisions made by leaders of those companies, in terms of real life impact on American lives, compares favorably in impact to those made in Washington.

You just listed a dream team of amazing companies that changed the world. Of course they all have significant real life impact, mostly positive aside from Facebook. 

Now if you had listed telecom, cable, big oil, big tobacco, or food lobby, you might get my attention. But I'll take the Mt. Rushmore of tech over Washington anytime. 

 

[zoonation]

Well this discussion got stealth bombed.  Good lord.  

 

[mr roboto]

You just listed a dream team of amazing companies that changed the world. Of course they all have significant real life impact, mostly positive aside from Facebook. 

Now if you had listed telecom, cable, big oil, big tobacco, or food lobby, you might get my attention. But I'll take the Mt. Rushmore of tech over Washington anytime. 

This is WAY too rosy of a picture of big tech. 

 

[Dedfin]

This is WAY too rosy of a picture of big tech. 

FYI, most people 35ish and under accept they have no privacy. It was given away before we became adults anyway, so it's something we never had. You didn't specifically state it was a big data issue, so forgive me if I took your post a different direction that you intended.

 

[mr roboto]

FYI, most people 35ish and under accept they have no privacy. It was given away before we became adults anyway, so it's something we never had. You didn't specifically state it was a big data issue, so forgive me if I took your post a different direction that you intended.

 I am 35 and Facebook came out my senior college so I understand your perspective.  It’s not so much the consumer data or demographic data that they have that I feel they will use against me personally, but these companies can move entire markets and political ideologies and consumer attitudes much more comprehensively than any government can. 

 Part of my job requires a moderate level of understanding around digital marketing and targeting. We use it to market personal training and fitness services which is pretty harmless but just look at some of the accusations made against digital firms in the 2016 election and extrapolate 10 years from now when they have even more of our data on file. 

 

[Ilov80s]

Wasn’t sure what the right spot for this was but maybe here 

Report: Walmart Workers Cost Taxpayers $6.2 Billion In Public Assistance

https://www.forbes.com/sites/clareoconnor/2014/04/15/report-walmart-workers-cost-taxpayers-6-2-billion-in-public-assistance/

 

[Stealthycat]

big Govt takes money from people who work and earn it and spend it with very little accountability

big business creates wealth and jobs and opportunities and investments and growth and good/services