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I'm looking at the Rest of Season Projections report and am confused by the projections for some IDP players, particularly LBs.

Would appreciate confirmation from someone that what I'm seeing is correct.

Examples:

Troy Reeder, LAR - 0 points
Christian Harris, HOU - 0 points (didn't think injury was season ending)

Thanks!
 
I'm looking at the Rest of Season Projections report and am confused by the projections for some IDP players, particularly LBs.

Would appreciate confirmation from someone that what I'm seeing is correct.

Examples:

Troy Reeder, LAR - 0 points
Christian Harris, HOU - 0 points (didn't think injury was season ending)

Thanks!
At first glance, this looks better than last season. However...
It looks like it's not just Reeder - all LAR LBs are missing.

The question will be whether there are enough gaps that I have to use another site again this season, or if this is close enough to help make season-long roster decisions.
 
It wasn't as good as it looked at first glance.

Daiyan Henley, Mack Wilson and Troy Andersen ranked way too high based on snap share, ahead of 100% guys like Kyzir White, Terrell Edmunds, Demario Davis, Tyrel Dodson, Jordyn Brooks, Long, Baker, McDuffie, and Dean.

Jonathan Abram S21, Jordan Fuller S23 (90% snaps, 71% deep), Brandon Jones S37 (68% snaps).
 
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I'm looking at the Rest of Season Projections report and am confused by the projections for some IDP players, particularly LBs.

Would appreciate confirmation from someone that what I'm seeing is correct.

Examples:

Troy Reeder, LAR - 0 points
Christian Harris, HOU - 0 points (didn't think injury was season ending)

Thanks!
I checked it a few times last season and it wasn't good. Never updated even though the site said it was. Looks to be the same this year. The rankings look like they could be from preseason or earlier. Semi usable at present time.

After taking another peek at it, there is some movement in the rankings and some of it seems fine. But then there are some holes to plug
 
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Sad, but unfortunately not surprised to hear it... haven't bothered to check this year.

So much for Norton's rookie corner rule, patience request 2 years ago. We need someone with experience to take over the ROS rankings who puts the time and energy into making sure they are accurate.
 
Why are Jonathan Abram (#8 S) and Christian Holmes (#6 CB) ranked so high in the ROS projections?

I believe they are both free agents.

Is anyone actually doing these projections?

Can't believe they have gotten worse and no effort to fix the problem.
 
Why are Jonathan Abram (#8 S) and Christian Holmes (#6 CB) ranked so high in the ROS projections?

I believe they are both free agents.

Is anyone actually doing these projections?

Can't believe they have gotten worse and no effort to fix the problem.
@Joe Bryant any thoughts?

Not sure what would cause that. I'll ask our IDP guys to take a look there.

For sure, for anything in the future, please go to www.footballguys.com/help and scroll down to "contact support" and let us know what you're seeing and our people will do their best to help.
 
Time to stick a fork in Jeremy Chinn?
Usage was much better this week, production wasn't.
There has been a few guys that fit that mold. Derwin James has not been IDP friendly (although he hasn't been worthless either). I really wonder if the new coaches and scheme are hurting James. I think for some of these guys it's just two weeks and things should be better.
 
I'm looking at the Rest of Season Projections report and am confused by the projections for some IDP players, particularly LBs.

Would appreciate confirmation from someone that what I'm seeing is correct.

Examples:

Troy Reeder, LAR - 0 points
Christian Harris, HOU - 0 points (didn't think injury was season ending)

Thanks!
Reeder is likely an oversite. As for Harris, it may not be season-ending but until there is some hint as to when he will at least practice, how can he be projected?
 
I'm looking at the Rest of Season Projections report and am confused by the projections for some IDP players, particularly LBs.

Would appreciate confirmation from someone that what I'm seeing is correct.

Examples:

Troy Reeder, LAR - 0 points
Christian Harris, HOU - 0 points (didn't think injury was season ending)

Thanks!
At first glance, this looks better than last season. However...
It looks like it's not just Reeder - all LAR LBs are missing.

The question will be whether there are enough gaps that I have to use another site again this season, or if this is close enough to help make season-long roster decisions.
You all have Let me look into the LAR LBs.
It wasn't as good as it looked at first glance.

Daiyan Henley, Mack Wilson and Troy Andersen ranked way too high based on snap share, ahead of 100% guys like Kyzir White, Terrell Edmunds, Demario Davis, Tyrel Dodson, Jordyn Brooks, Long, Baker, McDuffie, and Dean.

Jonathan Abram S21, Jordan Fuller S23 (90% snaps, 71% deep), Brandon Jones S37 (68% snaps).
Snapshare is not everything. I would rank Henley and Anderson ahead of White, Davis, Dodson, McDuffie, Brooks, Baker, possibly Edmunds, and to this point, Dean, all day. Junior Colson is likely to miss time with a hamstring he's been fighting all summer and Baker has a bad hammy as well. None of those guys have done much so far, even with a full share of snaps.

The Falcons put Landman on IR so Andersen jumps way up on my list and Henley was there from the start since I expected him to have the lead role, which he does.

We know there were issues last year and we have made a concerted effort to make sure they are rectified. Give us a chance before getting too critical please.
 
Time to stick a fork in Jeremy Chinn?
Usage was much better this week, production wasn't.
There has been a few guys that fit that mold. Derwin James has not been IDP friendly (although he hasn't been worthless either). I really wonder if the new coaches and scheme are hurting James. I think for some of these guys it's just two weeks and things should be better.
I just dealt Derwin, I think he finally has reached where the game is faster for him..he is not making the plays that he used too. Yes, he had 100% snaps this week but he's not getting home for tackles or big plays.

I dealt

Derwin James and Josey Jewell

I received...

Braelon Allen and Trey Benson

If either guy ahead of them get hurt they are league winners. Besides stand alone value in keeper league..

Replaced Derwin with Dru Phillips (all over the field)
And Jewell with Micah McFadden
 
Gentlemen, and Ladies if there are any in the conversation. I have looked over this week's first set of ROS projections. There are a handful of tweaks needed across all of the positions but these are expedentially better overall. I believe the Christian Holmes thing is a typo/player ID issue. Abrams is not a FA but he is not starting for the Saints. both of those will be cleaned up in the next update. I have already addressed the post from Tick about the linebackers.

Please keep in mind that our first set of projections, both ROS and weekly, are done very early in the week before a lot of important info comes out. That's why we update regularly throughout the week. By all means, if you see something out of line, please point it out. We can either explain our reasoning or fix the oversite. Things happen fast, especially in the first couple of weeks. With the info overload, it's easy to miss or fat-finger something on the week's first run.

One of the changes we made for this year's ROS projections, is that we will have extra sets of eyes looking at them after the initial post. I will be doing so personally on Wednesday nights, after finishing my EOTG column. Everyone has their opinions so we will never fully agree on these things. There might be the occasional oversite, missed injury update, or lineup change that comes with projecting 400+ players, but we will eliminate the obvious mistakes.

We appreciate the feedback for sure. I've had conversations with some of you in the past and have the utmost respect and appreciation. Feel free to drop me an email anytime there is a question or you see something that looks out of line.

Norton@footballguys.com
 
Time to stick a fork in Jeremy Chinn?
Usage was much better this week, production wasn't.
There has been a few guys that fit that mold. Derwin James has not been IDP friendly (although he hasn't been worthless either). I really wonder if the new coaches and scheme are hurting James. I think for some of these guys it's just two weeks and things should be better.
I just dealt Derwin, I think he finally has reached where the game is faster for him..he is not making the plays that he used too. Yes, he had 100% snaps this week but he's not getting home for tackles or big plays.

I dealt

Derwin James and Josey Jewell

I received...

Braelon Allen and Trey Benson

If either guy ahead of them get hurt they are league winners. Besides stand alone value in keeper league..

Replaced Derwin with Dru Phillips (all over the field)
And Jewell with Micah McFadden
Good moves. I really like what I saw with Phillips and like both running backs long term. .
 
Time to stick a fork in Jeremy Chinn?
Usage was much better this week, production wasn't.
There has been a few guys that fit that mold. Derwin James has not been IDP friendly (although he hasn't been worthless either). I really wonder if the new coaches and scheme are hurting James. I think for some of these guys it's just two weeks and things should be better.
I just dealt Derwin, I think he finally has reached where the game is faster for him..he is not making the plays that he used too. Yes, he had 100% snaps this week but he's not getting home for tackles or big plays.

I dealt

Derwin James and Josey Jewell

I received...

Braelon Allen and Trey Benson

If either guy ahead of them get hurt they are league winners. Besides stand alone value in keeper league..

Replaced Derwin with Dru Phillips (all over the field)
And Jewell with Micah McFadden
Good moves. I really like what I saw with Phillips and like both running backs long term. .
So does that mean you agree that Derwin is not the player he has been? DB's are usually a crapshoot as it is but guys like Derwin have been pretty reliable, especially in big play scoring leagues. I just wonder if it's time to move him on name as he isn't going to be his usual self anymore.
 
Time to stick a fork in Jeremy Chinn?
Usage was much better this week, production wasn't.
There has been a few guys that fit that mold. Derwin James has not been IDP friendly (although he hasn't been worthless either). I really wonder if the new coaches and scheme are hurting James. I think for some of these guys it's just two weeks and things should be better.
I just dealt Derwin, I think he finally has reached where the game is faster for him..he is not making the plays that he used too. Yes, he had 100% snaps this week but he's not getting home for tackles or big plays.

I dealt

Derwin James and Josey Jewell

I received...

Braelon Allen and Trey Benson

If either guy ahead of them get hurt they are league winners. Besides stand alone value in keeper league..

Replaced Derwin with Dru Phillips (all over the field)
And Jewell with Micah McFadden
Good moves. I really like what I saw with Phillips and like both running backs long term. .
So does that mean you agree that Derwin is not the player he has been? DB's are usually a crapshoot as it is but guys like Derwin have been pretty reliable, especially in big play scoring leagues. I just wonder if it's time to move him on name as he isn't going to be his usual self anymore.
He's getting 100% of the snaps and he has been in the box only 1/4 of the time...playing deep safety like 50% of snaps..They are using him a little different.
 
Time to stick a fork in Jeremy Chinn?
Usage was much better this week, production wasn't.
There has been a few guys that fit that mold. Derwin James has not been IDP friendly (although he hasn't been worthless either). I really wonder if the new coaches and scheme are hurting James. I think for some of these guys it's just two weeks and things should be better.
I just dealt Derwin, I think he finally has reached where the game is faster for him..he is not making the plays that he used too. Yes, he had 100% snaps this week but he's not getting home for tackles or big plays.

I dealt

Derwin James and Josey Jewell

I received...

Braelon Allen and Trey Benson

If either guy ahead of them get hurt they are league winners. Besides stand alone value in keeper league..

Replaced Derwin with Dru Phillips (all over the field)
And Jewell with Micah McFadden
Good moves. I really like what I saw with Phillips and like both running backs long term. .
So does that mean you agree that Derwin is not the player he has been? DB's are usually a crapshoot as it is but guys like Derwin have been pretty reliable, especially in big play scoring leagues. I just wonder if it's time to move him on name as he isn't going to be his usual self anymore.
He's getting 100% of the snaps and he has been in the box only 1/4 of the time...playing deep safety like 50% of snaps..They are using him a little different.
That's what I thought based on what I had seen while watching his games. Just seemed like he wasn't attacking the LOS as much as he has in the past.
 
No Myles Garrett in the ROS DL rankings... look, I know he is hurt. And if you want to say you it is difficult to project him for week 4, I'm good with that.

But the guy HAS to be in the ROS rankings... somewhere.

I wish I could say this is a one off... but unfortunately, far from it.
 
Yep, no C.J. Mosley or Foyesade Oluokun either. Actually, they're on the list but projected for 0 points the ROS.

I could go on with many more examples and I'm not contacting support because this has been going on for a long time and no one checks the report. Sorry @Joe Bryant

The rest of the IDP content is solid (a lot of detailed reports and decent weekly projections) so it's strange that there isn't the same effort to fix the ROS IDP report.
 
Yep, no C.J. Mosley or Foyesade Oluokun either. Actually, they're on the list but projected for 0 points the ROS.

I could go on with many more examples and I'm not contacting support because this has been going on for a long time and no one checks the report. Sorry @Joe Bryant

The rest of the IDP content is solid (a lot of detailed reports and decent weekly projections) so it's strange that there isn't the same effort to fix the ROS IDP report.

Once again, I apologize here. We've had a major struggle getting this right and we've been working on it.

May have to be we don't have IDP ROS for this year. I'm sorry. We'll try to have a decision on it by tomorrow.
 
No need for that.. can we please stop picking and being a Karen

Thanks but that's not others being a karen. I've failed to be able to deliver this well. That's on me. I have dramatically upped our IDP content spending more money and effort than we ever have there. But I've been unable to get ROS right. Does it sting to work so hard at this and be accused of not caring about it while I've tried to show much I care adding to all the other IDP content? Sure. But the bottom line is I've failed to deliver on this area and I understand why people are upset.
 
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It seems to be primarily an injured players situation. I wonder if the current week score of zero (due to injury or unknowns due to injury) is throwing everything out of whack for that player. Does this seem to be only affecting injury situations? I haven't looked close enough to know. Just trying to help troubleshoot by asking some questions.
 
No need for that.. can we please stop picking and being a Karen

Thanks but that's not being a karen. I've failed to be able to deliver this well. That's on me. I have dramatically upped our IDP content spending more money and effort than we ever have there. But I've been unable to get ROS right. Does it sting to work so hard at this and be accused of not caring about it while I've tried to show much I care adding to all the other IDP content? Sure. But the bottom line is I've failed to deliver on this area and I understand why people are upset.
I can't speak for anyone else... but I would NEVER accuse you of not caring Joe. You clearly care about your product... in spades.

And while I have been honest that the ROS IDP rankings have been troublesome, the rest of your IDP content has been outstanding. Best in the business, imo. And very much appreciated, I might add.
 
No need for that.. can we please stop picking and being a Karen

Thanks but that's not being a karen. I've failed to be able to deliver this well. That's on me. I have dramatically upped our IDP content spending more money and effort than we ever have there. But I've been unable to get ROS right. Does it sting to work so hard at this and be accused of not caring about it while I've tried to show much I care adding to all the other IDP content? Sure. But the bottom line is I've failed to deliver on this area and I understand why people are upset.
I can't speak for anyone else... but I would NEVER accuse you of not caring Joe. You clearly care about your product... in spades.

And while I have been honest that the ROS IDP rankings have been troublesome, the rest of your IDP content has been outstanding. Best in the business, imo. And very much appreciated, I might add.

Thanks GB. I was mostly bummed about the "won't even help us by contacting support to let us know and saying nobody even looked at the content" when the reality is we've had a process problem that we've had trouble solving.
 
No need for that.. can we please stop picking and being a Karen

Thanks but that's not being a karen. I've failed to be able to deliver this well. That's on me. I have dramatically upped our IDP content spending more money and effort than we ever have there. But I've been unable to get ROS right. Does it sting to work so hard at this and be accused of not caring about it while I've tried to show much I care adding to all the other IDP content? Sure. But the bottom line is I've failed to deliver on this area and I understand why people are upset.
I can't speak for anyone else... but I would NEVER accuse you of not caring Joe. You clearly care about your product... in spades.

And while I have been honest that the ROS IDP rankings have been troublesome, the rest of your IDP content has been outstanding. Best in the business, imo. And very much appreciated, I might add.

Thanks GB. I was mostly bummed about the "won't even help us by contacting support to let us know and saying nobody even looked at the content" when the reality is we've had a process problem that we've had trouble solving.
Understood... and while I can't speak for someone else, I'd bet that was mostly frustration/resignation talking.

Other than potentially to inquire about missing players, I probably would not have contacted support either, as I have viewed the ROS IDP ranking issue as one more subjective and of quality control... not a technical or website issue. To put it differently, you can tell it isn't Norton or Bloom, etc. doing those.

Not trying to add more gasoline, in fact, the opposite. Just trying to provide some context.
 
Unrelated to the ROS rankings...

No Brian Branch in the week 4 'basic' rankings... just an oversight, I'm guessing. He is #32 in the League Dominator week 4 rankings. And is present in Norton & Tietgen's 5-second primer.

Joe, we discussed some of this in the SP on the differences in the rankings. The Basic rankings differ from the League Dominator rankings, etc... I think the Basic rankings are limited to 1 or 2 rankers while the League Dominator includes all, but not sure.

Not a big deal... again, Branch is in the League Dominator rankings as well as the 5-second primer. I think Joe recommended focusing on the League Dominator rankings for better accuracy. Just noting the difference between the 2 (Basic vs League Dominator).

Update - Branch has been downgraded to doubtful (illness). This explains the removal from the Basic rankings. And he is no longer in the 5-second primer either.

Great job guys!

Joe Update - highlighted the last part here in red.
 
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Unrelated to the ROS rankings...

No Brian Branch in the week 4 'basic' rankings... just an oversight, I'm guessing. He is #32 in the League Dominator week 4 rankings. And is present in Norton & Tietgen's 5-second primer.

Joe, we discussed some of this in the SP on the differences in the rankings. The Basic rankings differ from the League Dominator rankings, etc... I think the Basic rankings are limited to 1 or 2 rankers while the League Dominator includes all, but not sure.

Not a big deal... again, Branch is in the League Dominator rankings as well as the 5-second primer. I think Joe recommended focusing on the League Dominator rankings for better accuracy. Just noting the difference between the 2 (Basic vs League Dominator).

Update - Branch has been downgraded to doubtful (illness). This explains the removal from the Basic rankings. And he is no longer in the 5-second primer either.

Great job guys!


I am guessing that "basic rankings" refers to the website rankings at footballguys.com/rankings.

By default, both the website rankings and the League Dominator use our Footballguys Consensus Rankings.

The only way to get them to show different things is if you alter, on either tool, which projectors you are using. That's possible to do via the Edit Experts button on the website and the Edit Projectors button in the League Dominator.

Or, perhaps more simply, we just made the update to Brian Branch's status between you viewing the League Dominator and then the Website rankings!
 
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@J Giles Band I just checked in more detail. In the 11 minutes prior to your message board post, we'd made 7 changes to week 4 IDP projections.

I am as sure as I can be that what happened is you viewed League Dominator, our projections updated to zero Branch, you viewed the website, which reflected that change, then viewed the League Dominator again also, which also then reflected that change.
 
@J Giles Band I just checked in more detail. In the 11 minutes prior to your message board post, we'd made 7 changes to week 4 IDP projections.

I am as sure as I can be that what happened is you viewed League Dominator, our projections updated to zero Branch, you viewed the website, which reflected that change, then viewed the League Dominator again also, which also then reflected that change.
Hi Simon,

Thanks for the reply.

For clarification, when I referred to the 'Basic' rankings... that term is taken from the weekly landing page (week 4 in this case) under the heading:

Just Get Basic Rankings​


And what I referred to as the 'League Dominator' rankings:

League Dominator Links​

Weekly Rankings
Each position ranked for your league, with free
agents highlighted


Highlighting this only to make sure we are referring to the same things. And to clear up any confusion my original descriptions may have caused.

From my experience, these rankings do, in fact, differ. And that is without any alteration to which rankers/experts are used. Just using the default setting. In the past, not only have the rankings differed but the number of players ranked by position has been different. I will have to look again at last week and then this coming week to speak to how they are working currently, but that has been my experience up until now. I've assumed the 'Basic' rankings either use a different database or different rankers.

This may have changed recently... and if they are now 100% in synch, that is tremendous.
 
Oh... and if you caught my EDIT after my initial post Sunday, you will see that they were adjusting the projection for Brian Branch (removing him from the rankings) in real time as I was checking the rankings. I figured this out once I saw he was downgraded to 'doubtful'.

As you were saying, apparently there were several other players they were making adjustments for at the same time that I did not notice. At first, I thought Branch was an omission before learning about his injury status downgrade.

All this is to say, FBG's was on top of it! Well done.
 
Highlighting this only to make sure we are referring to the same things. And to clear up any confusion my original descriptions may have caused.

That's what I had guessed - thanks for clarifying.
From my experience, these rankings do, in fact, differ. And that is without any alteration to which rankers/experts are used. Just using the default setting. In the past, not only have the rankings differed but the number of players ranked by position has been different. I will have to look again at last week and then this coming week to speak to how they are working currently, but that has been my experience up until now. I've assumed the 'Basic' rankings either use a different database or different rankers.

This may have changed recently... and if they are now 100% in synch, that is tremendous.
The two systems use exactly the same data.

But, each has slightly different rules for how many players to show at each position. We don't necessarily show every player projected depending on the size of your league and the number of starters at each position.

As to individual differences between the rankings - I want to be clear that's a different issue than a player like Branch being totally in or totally out, which was the subject of your post yesterday. I'd love to look into it, but that one needs to come through helpdesk so we can ask you for account/league information: help@footballguys.com

I'd be able to look into it and explain or fix the difference.

But on something like a player being ranked or unranked: it's not possible for them to differ there. So I'm sure what you saw on Sunday was the same adjustment rolling out at the same time - just you made requests before and after the change was made.
 
Hey all, rest-of-season IDP has been our #1 focus on staff for the past week.

We have a new process for week 5. They're now live - our goal in future weeks is to get these out on Tuesday, just changing as much as we have slowed us down this week.

Please check them out here: https://www.footballguys.com/rankings/duration/restofseason?pos=io

And please let us know your feedback, good or bad here. Thanks!
 
Hey all, rest-of-season IDP has been our #1 focus on staff for the past week.

We have a new process for week 5. They're now live - our goal in future weeks is to get these out on Tuesday, just changing as much as we have slowed us down this week.

Please check them out here: https://www.footballguys.com/rankings/duration/restofseason?pos=io

And please let us know your feedback, good or bad here. Thanks!
Going through my 6 leagues where I'm looking at ROS rankings. It's a mix of 3-position and 5-position leagues across MFL and Sleeper, using 4 different rule sets. I used MyFBG synched to my leagues.

I don't see any errors. I may disagree with a few things (what about Nakobe Dean being ranked 57 doesn't also apply to Patrick Queen who's ranked 19?), but I didn't see any of the things that have made people disregard these rankings for a while.

Players who were essentially zeroed out last week that are now ranked on my rosters: Uchenna Nwosu, Terrel Bernard, so both guys who are on out but expected back soon.

I put in 5 waiver requests based on blue players on the lists.

I hope that the process isn't too painful on your end, but from my perspective, this fixed it completely.
 
Hey all, rest-of-season IDP has been our #1 focus on staff for the past week.

We have a new process for week 5. They're now live - our goal in future weeks is to get these out on Tuesday, just changing as much as we have slowed us down this week.

Please check them out here: https://www.footballguys.com/rankings/duration/restofseason?pos=io

And please let us know your feedback, good or bad here. Thanks!
The ROS IDP rankings are night and day better Simon. Back to the normal FBG's standard. Outstanding.

Can't thank you guys enough for getting this figured out.
 
Hey all, rest-of-season IDP has been our #1 focus on staff for the past week.

We have a new process for week 5. They're now live - our goal in future weeks is to get these out on Tuesday, just changing as much as we have slowed us down this week.

Please check them out here: https://www.footballguys.com/rankings/duration/restofseason?pos=io

And please let us know your feedback, good or bad here. Thanks!
The ROS IDP rankings are night and day better Simon. Back to the normal FBG's standard. Outstanding.

Can't thank you guys enough for getting this figured out.

Thanks GB.
 
The IDP Streaming Matchups article this week has Nick Herbig as one of the choices but he is currently out with a hammy injury. Just a heads up for those that may use these for pickups/starts.
 
@Simon Shepherd
@John Norton
@Joe Bryant


Have you guys thought about allowing comments to the content on the site? For instance, in the IDP Streaming Matchups article put out it is recommending Nick Herbig who happens to be out this week with an injury. It may be helpful as input to the author as well as to the readers if comments could be made for these situations on the articles so things don't get overlooked. Just an idea.
 
Hey all, rest-of-season IDP has been our #1 focus on staff for the past week.

We have a new process for week 5. They're now live - our goal in future weeks is to get these out on Tuesday, just changing as much as we have slowed us down this week.

Please check them out here: https://www.footballguys.com/rankings/duration/restofseason?pos=io

And please let us know your feedback, good or bad here. Thanks!
Looking good again this week. I didn't see Marte Mapu, but that's a late development and pretty open to any outcome. No complaints again.
 
thanks guys, I've sent this feedback on to the IDP team.

Comments on content is something we last spoke about internally some time ago. I'll bring it up for sure. There are some great positives but also some negatives to consider there.
 
This is useful to me every week. I just put in a couple of waiver bids on guys who were unexpectedly free agents in leagues - not guys with new news who would show up in waiver wire articles, just guys who happen to have been dropped or never picked up, but now clearly have a decent role rest of season.
 

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