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Restaurant Talk - Modern Rules Of Dining (1 Viewer)

Adults seriously order off the kids menu?
Mostly women
I thought most restaurants have the “I’m not hungry” plate for this exact situation

One of the reasons my wife does is she’s a picky eater like a kid - and yes, she deserves ridicule for that. I’m fine with half portion options but not a lot of places offer that.

Doesn't the menu specifically read on it "For kids 12 and under"? I'm quite sure most places we've been to where my kids order off the kids' menu have some verbiage on there "12 and under only".....

I think that’s the debate or I assumed it was - some places allow it, some don’t. I’m firmly in the camp of let restaurants do whatever they want but if someone is asking my opinion I fall in the camp of allowing adults to order kids meals.


I guess I just never even considered it, but again, I'm usually with a kid in tow and the kids' menus almost ALWAYS have verbiage that says "Kids 12 and under".
but places aren't IDing you for kids.
 
The issue with the dogs in restaurants is this:

Whatever rule you put in place, that might seem completely reasonable to all of you right now, it is not like that out there. People will not like that rule, and they won't be quiet about it.

And the number of people willing to get angry about any restrictions on pets is growing. There's more of them.
 
I guess my point is - you are paying for the food and portion size given. Give me more options for smaller portions. I don’t care if you call it a kids menu or whatever.
Those are called appetizers

Well, most appetizer menus around here are fried food and generally good tasting but bad for you. I appreciate a place that has half portions on things like pasta dishes.

What is your position on meal sharing? Pay a sharing fee?
Everything is portioned out and prepped ahead of time. You’re asking the kitchen to do more work for a product that isn’t in very high demand.
 
But the dog goes everywhere is a growing movement. And I’m against it.

My father has seen the same woman trying to bring her dog into the gym about three different times claiming it's a service dog and none of the staff are having it. They ask her to leave. But this is a growing movement. The dogs over by the broken and cracked potted-soil plants in my grocery store want to let you know that surely they're good bois as GM would put it.

Nothing like your dog in a public space. He's so well-behaved, unlike those other dogs.

I'm also against it.
There was a dude that brought his little dog into my ridiculously expensive gym. Dog loved chilling in the locker room. They put a stop to it.
 
Yeah, what's the deal with not being able to order off the kids menu?

From the article in the OP:

Should adults be allowed to eat from the children’s menu?

Small appetite? Saving money? Just fancy chicken nuggets? There are numerous reasons why an adult might order the kids’ menu, and the panel struggled to think of justifiable reasons to stop them.

Important caveat: children’s menus are priced as a subsidised inducement to parents and their spending power. Restaurants would go broke if large numbers did this. “Personally, I wouldn’t,” says KS. “If you want a light meal, there are other dishes you can choose.”

“I’m torn,” says Armitage. “Imagine if you had a party of 15 in a pub and they all ordered the kids’ menu. That would be awful.”

Verdict 5:1, it’s allowable. Just don’t come crying to mummy and daddy when your local restaurant folds.
My wife and I will take our kids out for their dinner during happy hour. We’ll typically order a couple drinks each and an appetizer for ourselves. Kids meals for the younglings.

I have no shame in sneaking a few fries, but I’d never order a “meal” for myself.
 
So, what's the verdict about dogs on stools in restaurants?
I mean if they're licking the beer from the mug quietly and they can clean up the bar top after themselves, I mean, I don't see the problem. . . what am I missing here?
 
Dress code: times have changed. Maybe for the highest end places. Anything mid tier. Forget it
dogs: no. Just no. I’m at the beach and people bring them all the time. My favorite is when they ask for food for the dog
allowing adults to order off the kids menu: absolutely not. And there will be a split charge if it’s a constructed dish split onto 2 plates.
cost for cancellation: unenforceable
cell phones: should be on silent. Please leave the dining room to take your call.
time limit: I’m ok with it. 90 minutes is a little short. But if you’re busy enough to warrant it, go for it

What am I missing here? Why would you care what menu someone orders off of?
Kids menus are a pita for the kitchen and a loss leader. You want butter noodles? Stay home.
Macaroni and cheese or a grilled cheese sandwich is a pita for the kitchen?
 
dogs: no. Just no. I’m at the beach and people bring them all the time. My favorite is when they ask for food for the dog

Do I remember right that you run a restaurant? Can you elaborate on this?
Some places by me have meals for dogs on the menu.

And lots of dog bowls around for water. :thumbup:
In a small $$+ restaurant? With no patio. You’re cool with my friend bringing her 3 huskies? Because people do this.

Should have clarified - yeah, I'm speaking about dog-friendly places THAT ADVERTISE AS 'DOG FRIENDLY' having bowls of water on the patio, where good bois can get a drink. I'm not asking to bring my dog inside of French Laundry.

If a restaurant advertises itself as "dog friendly" I'm not sure I understand anybody here having a problem with it.
I've been fortunate enough to eat at French Laundry and the only thing I would say they could do to improve on the experience would be to have a good boy sitting next to me.
 
Adults seriously order off the kids menu?
Mostly women
I thought most restaurants have the “I’m not hungry” plate for this exact situation

One of the reasons my wife does is she’s a picky eater like a kid - and yes, she deserves ridicule for that. I’m fine with half portion options but not a lot of places offer that.

Doesn't the menu specifically read on it "For kids 12 and under"? I'm quite sure most places we've been to where my kids order off the kids' menu have some verbiage on there "12 and under only".....

I think that’s the debate or I assumed it was - some places allow it, some don’t. I’m firmly in the camp of let restaurants do whatever they want but if someone is asking my opinion I fall in the camp of allowing adults to order kids meals.


I guess I just never even considered it, but again, I'm usually with a kid in tow and the kids' menus almost ALWAYS have verbiage that says "Kids 12 and under".
but places aren't IDing you for kids.

Look, if you really need to order dino-nuggies for yourself, here's what you do. You look the server right in the eye, order off the kids' menu and if the server pushes back because there isn't a child with you, you pretend like they're insane and say 'What do you mean, he's right here. Do I need to call over your manager?".

Profit
 
But the dog goes everywhere is a growing movement. And I’m against it.

My father has seen the same woman trying to bring her dog into the gym about three different times claiming it's a service dog and none of the staff are having it. They ask her to leave. But this is a growing movement. The dogs over by the broken and cracked potted-soil plants in my grocery store want to let you know that surely they're good bois as GM would put it.

Nothing like your dog in a public space. He's so well-behaved, unlike those other dogs.

I'm also against it.
There was a dude that brought his little dog into my ridiculously expensive gym. Dog loved chilling in the locker room. They put a stop to it.
Probably best, before some old dude with poor eyesight confused the dog with a blow dryer.
 
Big NO!!! to dogs in a restaurant! I've left pubs that allowed them and I certainly don't want poochie wandering around slobbering all over the place and shedding his fur into my food. People who bring dogs to restaurants are ignorant, entitled jagoffs in my book. Whats that? your little poochie never bit any one before?!? I guess I'm the first then. :mad:

I wouldn't bring my dog out to a restaurant (with the exception of outside dining tables where it's allowed, perhaps) but if the restaurant allows it, then you being so up in arms kind of makes the "jagoff". No one is making you dine there.
Agreed and I wont. I have a strong dislike of dogs in businesses but especially food/drink places. Nasty.
Outdoor patios are fine for behaved dogs in some restaurants
 
At the same steakhouse where I saw someone wearing a baseball cap, there was a guy at the bar who had a beard on one half of his face but was clean shaven on the other side of his face.

I think we should add that one to the list.
I wonder if he was a weirdo, lost a bet or has a brain injury- that’s actually a somewhat common symptom (not the half beard but only being able to “see” half of what’s in front of them).
 
And fine with 90-120 minute restrictions depending on the pace of the meal. That wouldn’t work at a place like Emeril’s, where there is a long time between courses. Typically a 3 hour experience (too long but that’s what it is)
 
I’m OK with dress codes. People shouldn’t be able go to nice places dressed like Spaulding in Caddyshack
The handle checks out lol. I am with you but like I don’t even want to be strict. Just don’t like you are homeless or just rolled out of bed. Even something very casual can look nice as long it’s all clean, coordinated, etc.
 
At the same steakhouse where I saw someone wearing a baseball cap, there was a guy at the bar who had a beard on one half of his face but was clean shaven on the other side of his face.

I think we should add that one to the list.
I wonder if he was a weirdo, lost a bet or has a brain injury- that’s actually a somewhat common symptom (not the half beard but only being able to “see” half of what’s in front of them).
He joined a group of people that seemed like friends. If this was by accident, I'd hope one of his friends would tell him. Seemed like it was a hipster/attention type thing.
 
But not to derail, for restaurants, I think the decision is interesting.

It does seem a little easier as it's usually pretty clear if dogs are welcome or not.

So if prefer not to have dogs allowed, you know what you're getting into.
It’s illegal in Michigan to bring a dog to a restaurant (service dogs are ok).

Are you sure? According to Bring Fido, there's quite a few Michigan restaurants that are dog friendly:

 
I'm not sure I understand most of this conversation. Rules? Why do we think we need sweeping rules? Each restaurant can decide for themselves and customers can choose where they want to dine. There will be options. Some restaurants have dress codes, some don't. Some allow dogs, some don't. Some will tell an adult they can't order off the kids menu, some will allow it. This allows customers to pick which restaurant they want to go to based on what they are looking for at that particular time. Businesses should just make the choices they want to make and customers do the same.
 
I'm not sure I understand most of this conversation. Rules? Why do we think we need sweeping rules? Each restaurant can decide for themselves and customers can choose where they want to dine. There will be options. Some restaurants have dress codes, some don't. Some allow dogs, some don't. Some will tell an adult they can't order off the kids menu, some will allow it. This allows customers to pick which restaurant they want to go to based on what they are looking for at that particular time. Businesses should just make the choices they want to make and customers do the same.
I get the free market idea but it’s also nice to have an idea of what you are getting into when you go out to eat. General standards are nice.
 
I would not order off kids’ menu if eating in-person. But I’m ordering takeout from a McDonald’s/Wendy’s type place because that is what the kiddo wants, I’ll get the happy meal more often than not too. Their regular portion size for a combo meal just makes me feel bloated and sick.
 
I guess my point is - you are paying for the food and portion size given. Give me more options for smaller portions. I don’t care if you call it a kids menu or whatever.
Those are called appetizers
Or tapas. I haven't looked at a kids meal in decades but aren't they generally for child preferred meals like a grilled cheese or mac and cheese or chicken nuggets? Are there places with 4oz sirloins or mini poke bowls on their kids menu?
 
I'm not sure I understand most of this conversation. Rules? Why do we think we need sweeping rules? Each restaurant can decide for themselves and customers can choose where they want to dine. There will be options. Some restaurants have dress codes, some don't. Some allow dogs, some don't. Some will tell an adult they can't order off the kids menu, some will allow it. This allows customers to pick which restaurant they want to go to based on what they are looking for at that particular time. Businesses should just make the choices they want to make and customers do the same.
I get the free market idea but it’s also nice to have an idea of what you are getting into when you go out to eat. General standards are nice.
Yeah, but I guess I think we already have that. Dining out isn't a new thing. And the result is that some places will operate one way and others another way. The general standard is that you should know what kind of place you are going to. I get there are outliers in our society. I'm sure there are people who show up to a fine dining establishment just about every day wearing jorts and a tank top. And the restaurant will make their choice on what to do about that. And that will then teach that customer what the general standard is.
 
How long ago was that? I wonder if that’s still in place
This was 5 years ago when it happened. They changed that location in Caesar's and I think is now Amalfi's. My friend said it was a direct thing from Bobby Flay. I don't know if he does it at his other nice restaurants.
 
I guess my point is - you are paying for the food and portion size given. Give me more options for smaller portions. I don’t care if you call it a kids menu or whatever.
Those are called appetizers
Or tapas. I haven't looked at a kids meal in decades but aren't they generally for child preferred meals like a grilled cheese or mac and cheese or chicken nuggets? Are there places with 4oz sirloins or mini poke bowls on their kids menu?
Kid Menus are virtually identical in almost every restaurant:

Hamburger
Hot dog
Chicken Tenders
Pasta (butter or sauce)
Grilled cheese

I’m sure I missed some.
 
I'm not sure I understand most of this conversation. Rules? Why do we think we need sweeping rules? Each restaurant can decide for themselves and customers can choose where they want to dine. There will be options. Some restaurants have dress codes, some don't. Some allow dogs, some don't. Some will tell an adult they can't order off the kids menu, some will allow it. This allows customers to pick which restaurant they want to go to based on what they are looking for at that particular time. Businesses should just make the choices they want to make and customers do the same.

For sure nobody "needs" rules. The article I posted to start this was restaurant executives describing what they think are best practices for sit down restuarants. That seems to be something people have opinions on.
 
I'm not sure I understand most of this conversation. Rules? Why do we think we need sweeping rules? Each restaurant can decide for themselves and customers can choose where they want to dine. There will be options. Some restaurants have dress codes, some don't. Some allow dogs, some don't. Some will tell an adult they can't order off the kids menu, some will allow it. This allows customers to pick which restaurant they want to go to based on what they are looking for at that particular time. Businesses should just make the choices they want to make and customers do the same.

For sure nobody "needs" rules. The article I posted to start this was restaurant executives describing what they think are best practices for sit down restuarants. That seems to be something people have opinions on.
Yes, and I think my opinion is that it seems to be a positive for there to be diversity in the decisions individual restaurants make. "Sit down restaurants", to me, is a wide variety of experiences that should lead to a variety of decisions. But even if we narrowed it to something like "fine dining", I really don't think my opinion would change.
 
Saw a girl a few weeks ago who brought her three small dogs into Jimmy Johns. Waited in line for her sandwich while the dogs sniffed pretty much everything within 10 feet. Nobody said anything to her. I gave her a stare of mild disgust. Mind blowing that people think that would be OK.
 
I'm not sure I understand most of this conversation. Rules? Why do we think we need sweeping rules? Each restaurant can decide for themselves and customers can choose where they want to dine. There will be options. Some restaurants have dress codes, some don't. Some allow dogs, some don't. Some will tell an adult they can't order off the kids menu, some will allow it. This allows customers to pick which restaurant they want to go to based on what they are looking for at that particular time. Businesses should just make the choices they want to make and customers do the same.
I get the free market idea but it’s also nice to have an idea of what you are getting into when you go out to eat. General standards are nice.
Yeah, but I guess I think we already have that. Dining out isn't a new thing. And the result is that some places will operate one way and others another way. The general standard is that you should know what kind of place you are going to. I get there are outliers in our society. I'm sure there are people who show up to a fine dining establishment just about every day wearing jorts and a tank top. And the restaurant will make their choice on what to do about that. And that will then teach that customer what the general standard is.
Sure but there are nice restaurants I go to and people are in football jerseys headed to the game. Your average meal costs $100 plus $15-30 a drink but there's no dress code at all. It would surprise people if the very similar place next door said no jeans or no hats or no jerseys. I think right now the expectation is that there are no expectations.
 
I’m OK with dress codes. People shouldn’t be able go to nice places dressed like Spaulding in Caddyshack
People here in Minnesota dress like homeless people when they go out to a nice restaurant. When I see someone wear a baseball cap at a fine dining place I shake my head. I’m going to Italy in May and they not only don’t dress like that to dinner, they don’t dress like that anywhere unless they’re working out. Americans sure are a lot more casual than Europe so I hear. When my granddaughter brought her boyfriend over for Thanksgiving I asked him to remove his baseball hat at the table Haven’t had to ask since.
 
Saw a girl a few weeks ago who brought her three small dogs into Jimmy Johns. Waited in line for her sandwich while the dogs sniffed pretty much everything within 10 feet. Nobody said anything to her. I gave her a stare of mild disgust. Mind blowing that people think that would be OK.

Folks making sandwiches at Jimmy John's are probably instructed not to say anything. Just make the sandwich and hope they leave. They don't want their employees escalating situations and managers are usually hiding in the back.
 
Saw a girl a few weeks ago who brought her three small dogs into Jimmy Johns. Waited in line for her sandwich while the dogs sniffed pretty much everything within 10 feet. Nobody said anything to her. I gave her a stare of mild disgust. Mind blowing that people think that would be OK.

Folks making sandwiches at Jimmy John's are probably instructed not to say anything. Just make the sandwich and hope they leave. They don't want their employees escalating situations and managers are usually hiding in the back.
I think it was more apathy than anything else. I have a hard time believing a restaurant would instruct employees to look the other way on health code violations.
 
But not to derail, for restaurants, I think the decision is interesting.

It does seem a little easier as it's usually pretty clear if dogs are welcome or not.

So if prefer not to have dogs allowed, you know what you're getting into.
Is it? How? Laws require posting of health codes, show me one that requires dog policy to be posted.
 
Offshoot of the "Restaurants are expensive" thread.

And for sure, this is not for fast food or fast casual. This is an article on what industry experts (in the UK) think is acceptable for traditional restaurants.


Dress Codes?
Dogs Allowed?
Adults ordering from kids menu?
Cost for cancelling reservation less than 24 hours out.
No Cell Phones?
90 minute table limit?
and more

Do you agree with the voting?

Any particular topics?
I do not eat at restaurants that allow dogs beyond an outside bar or outside seating. Even then I try to steer clear.
When I go into a dark bar inside, I do not expect to see a little ESD or "Service Dog" on one of the bar stools.
And let me define service dogs for those that don't seem to understand. You can always tell a BS service dog when they are around others besides their owner, most true service dogs or dogs that typically help people that are legally blind, they don't look at anyone other than their owner. I've seen a few exceptions but mostly that is how it works. If they could look around at others and get side tracked or enjoy the attention of others then it's not much of a service dog.

-We see a lot of folks that need that ESD down here in Florida and slip the service dog vest on before entering a restaurant, owners should be ashamed of themselves.
 
Saw a girl a few weeks ago who brought her three small dogs into Jimmy Johns. Waited in line for her sandwich while the dogs sniffed pretty much everything within 10 feet. Nobody said anything to her. I gave her a stare of mild disgust. Mind blowing that people think that would be OK.

Folks making sandwiches at Jimmy John's are probably instructed not to say anything. Just make the sandwich and hope they leave. They don't want their employees escalating situations and managers are usually hiding in the back.
I think it was more apathy than anything else. I have a hard time believing a restaurant would instruct employees to look the other way on health code violations.

I think this is a thread about restaurants and not take-out sandwich joints/fast food.

But let me ask you this - why didn't you say something if it bothered you? Or ask the employees to say something? Wouldn't that be a form of apathy too?
 
Offshoot of the "Restaurants are expensive" thread.

And for sure, this is not for fast food or fast casual. This is an article on what industry experts (in the UK) think is acceptable for traditional restaurants.


Dress Codes?
Dogs Allowed?
Adults ordering from kids menu?
Cost for cancelling reservation less than 24 hours out.
No Cell Phones?
90 minute table limit?
and more

Do you agree with the voting?

Any particular topics?
I do not eat at restaurants that allow dogs beyond an outside bar or outside seating. Even then I try to steer clear.
When I go into a dark bar inside, I do not expect to see a little ESD or "Service Dog" on one of the bar stools.
And let me define service dogs for those that don't seem to understand. You can always tell a B service dog when they are around others besides their owner, most true service dogs or dogs that typically help people that are legally blind, they don't look at anyone other than their owner. I've seen a few exceptions but mostly that is how it works. If they could look around at others and get side tracked or enjoy the attention of others then it's not much of a service dog.

-We see a lot of folks that need that ESD down here in Florida and slip the service dog vest on before entering a restaurant, owners should be ashamed of themselves.
Are some people using dogs as service dogs when they shouldn’t? Asking for a friend.
 
Offshoot of the "Restaurants are expensive" thread.

And for sure, this is not for fast food or fast casual. This is an article on what industry experts (in the UK) think is acceptable for traditional restaurants.


Dress Codes?
Dogs Allowed?
Adults ordering from kids menu?
Cost for cancelling reservation less than 24 hours out.
No Cell Phones?
90 minute table limit?
and more

Do you agree with the voting?

Any particular topics?
I do not eat at restaurants that allow dogs beyond an outside bar or outside seating. Even then I try to steer clear.
When I go into a dark bar inside, I do not expect to see a little ESD or "Service Dog" on one of the bar stools.
And let me define service dogs for those that don't seem to understand. You can always tell a B service dog when they are around others besides their owner, most true service dogs or dogs that typically help people that are legally blind, they don't look at anyone other than their owner. I've seen a few exceptions but mostly that is how it works. If they could look around at others and get side tracked or enjoy the attention of others then it's not much of a service dog.

-We see a lot of folks that need that ESD down here in Florida and slip the service dog vest on before entering a restaurant, owners should be ashamed of themselves.
Are some people using dogs as service dogs when they shouldn’t? Asking for a friend.
100%
I see it everywhere around here in South Florida
-I used to frequent a taco/cantina spot close to my house until they started letting owners bring pit bulls around the outside bar and that was it for me
In Miami, pit bulls are illegal, maybe all of Dade County actually. Palm Beach rolls differently as I've come to discover.
Lot of little creatures tucked into owner's purses that pop up at the tables, it's disgusting.

-I'm all for restaurants that want to specifically cater to dog owners, go for it.
I just don't care to eat around animals and prefer eating at places that do not allow pets inside.
I'm sure I must be the only left in this country
 
Saw a girl a few weeks ago who brought her three small dogs into Jimmy Johns. Waited in line for her sandwich while the dogs sniffed pretty much everything within 10 feet. Nobody said anything to her. I gave her a stare of mild disgust. Mind blowing that people think that would be OK.

I'd be willing to bet the greasy faced teenager making the sandwiches at Jimmy Johns is 100 times more gross than the dogs were, and they're the ones actually touching your food.

OMG, the dogs were sniffing around? The horror!!
 
Big NO!!! to dogs in a restaurant! I've left pubs that allowed them and I certainly don't want poochie wandering around slobbering all over the place and shedding his fur into my food. People who bring dogs to restaurants are ignorant, entitled jagoffs in my book. Whats that? your little poochie never bit any one before?!? I guess I'm the first then. :mad:
Preach!

Honestly, I love dog-friendly establishments that make it clear it’s dog-friendly. Then people can take their dogs, and I can know to stay away. Win-win.
 

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