Rick Gosselien's First mock (1 Viewer)

[coolnerd]

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dw...ft.2dc3375.html

The last time the Oakland Raiders held the first overall selection of a draft, they chose a quarterback. That was in 1962 when Oakland played in the AFL – but the Raiders lost out for the services of Roman Gabriel in a bidding war with the Los Angeles Rams.

The Raiders have the first pick of the 2007 draft and have as much need for a quarterback now as in 1962. Raiders owner Al Davis believes in the vertical stretch offense and loves big-armed quarterbacks like Gabriel. LSU's JaMarcus Russell has an even bigger arm than Gabriel.

The Raiders would consider Georgia Tech wide receiver Calvin Johnson along with Russell. But wideouts historically don't go first overall – only two since the AFL and NFL merged drafts in 1967. Fifteen quarterbacks have gone first overall since then, including five in the last six years.

So give Russell to the Raiders in the first mock draft offering from The Dallas Morning News. Here's the rest of the draft:

Team Player Pos. School

1. Oakland JaMarcus Russell QB LSU

2. Detroit Adrian Peterson RB Oklahoma

Matt Millen has struggled with top-10 picks in his stint as general manager of the Lions. Peterson would be a safe and popular choice. Detroit had success using first-round picks on Oklahoma runners Steve Owens (1970) and Billy Sims (1980).

3. Cleveland Calvin Johnson WR Georgia Tech

4. Tampa Bay Brady Quinn QB Notre Dame

5. Arizona Joe Thomas OT Wisconsin

6. Washington Gaines Adams DE Clemson

7. Minnesota LaRon Landry S LSU

8. Atlanta Leon Hall CB Michigan

9. Miami Alan Branch DT Michigan

10. Houston Amobi Okoye DT Louisville

11. San Francisco Jamaal Anderson DE Arkansas

12. Buffalo Marshawn Lynch RB California

13. St. Louis Darrelle Revis CB Pittsburgh

14. Carolina Patrick Willis LB Mississippi

15. Pittsburgh Adam Carriker DE Nebraska

Carriker is the prototypical defensive end for a 3-4 scheme. But his true value lies is his versatility. With his size (6-6, 296), he can line up at any of the four positions along the defensive line.

16. Green Bay Ted Ginn Jr. WR Ohio State

17. Jacksonville Jarvis Moss DE Florida

18. Cincinnati Reggie Nelson S Florida

19. Tennessee Robert Meachem WR Tennessee

20. N.Y. Giants Levi Brown OT Penn State

21. Denver Lawrence Timmons LB Florida State

22. Dallas Dwayne Bowe WR LSU

With two starting wide receivers in their 30s, the Cowboys need a young player to build a future downfield passing game for Tony Romo. Bowe is a physical receiver in the Michael Irvin mold.

23. Kansas City Justin Harrell DT Tennessee

24. New England Jon Beason LB Miami

25. N.Y. Jets Aaron Ross CB Texas

26. Philadelphia Chris Houston CB Arkansas

27. New Orleans Dwayne Jarrett WR Southern California

28. New England Michael Griffin S Texas

29. Baltimore Joe Staley OT Central Michigan

30. San Diego Anthony Gonzalez WR Ohio State

31. Chicago Paul Posluszny LB Penn State

32. Indianapolis Greg Olsen TE Miami

 

[Couch Potato]

"Detroit had success using first-round picks on Oklahoma runners Steve Owens (1970) and Billy Sims (1980)."

What possible relevance does he think picks from 37 and 27 years ago have in this draft? Why even mention this? If he's using it as support for the pick it's just silly, and if he's not doing so then he's leading readers to think he is.

If he's going to give Peterson to DET he might want to explain why they went out and got both Tatum Bell and Duckett to go with their recent 1st rounder in Jones if they were just going to take Peterson too.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Always pay close attention when Gosselin's the one doing the talking.

- on AD to DET. That would certainly raise some eyebrows, but AD is the kind of talent that you should not rule at any top 10 pick except TB, WAS, and MIA, and maybe not even TB.

- Quinn to TB is a pick I haven't been seeing that often. I really have no idea where to slot him between CLE, MIN, and MIA, but TB was not a destination I was previously considering.

- Thats about as low as Ive seen Olsen in any mock.

- another mock with Brown falling into the 20s. I do think that could happen if he gets past Miami, although I wonder what Pittsburgh thinks of him.

- 6 WRs in the first? Im sure CC is LOVING that.

 

[lions327]

I can't see the Lions taking Peterson at #2, with so many glaring needs. If Oakland indeed took Russell, I will be shocked if the Lions don't trade back and try to get Gaines Adams. I will not be as shocked as last month if the Lions are at #2 and take Calvin Johnson.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

I can't see the Lions taking Peterson at #2, with so many glaring needs. If Oakland indeed took Russell, I will be shocked if the Lions don't trade back and try to get Gaines Adams. I will not be as shocked as last month if the Lions are at #2 and take Calvin Johnson.

I think the correct answer for the Lions truly is "trade down" and maybe multiple times, and Andy D projected in one of his mocks. It gets stickier when you leave them at their natural pick, because you either have to have them reach (Adams/Willis even), or take an elite offensive player at a position that is not an immediate need (QB, Peterson, Thomas) - that being said, don't rule anything out when it comes to Millen. He has successfully traded down in the draft before (Winslow/Roy Williams deal, getting a 2nd just by making Cleveland nervous), so I believe Millen has the capacity to do the right thing and trade down - and if Russell goes #1, I don't think the rest of the NFL will give him a choice.

 

[Chaos Commish]

"Detroit had success using first-round picks on Oklahoma runners Steve Owens (1970) and Billy Sims (1980)."What possible relevance does he think picks from 37 and 27 years ago have in this draft? Why even mention this? If he's using it as support for the pick it's just silly, and if he's not doing so then he's leading readers to think he is. If he's going to give Peterson to DET he might want to explain why they went out and got both Tatum Bell and Duckett to go with their recent 1st rounder in Jones if they were just going to take Peterson too.

As far as the old timer Sooners Detroit has picked, Gosselin is a writer and probably just wanted to toss that in for information. It could be something someone in the Detroit organization has said to him in conversation. That is the thing about Gosselin and mock drafts. He knows things no one else does. He is not a talent scout. He is no great college fan. He does not break down film. He does do his research, but most of all, he has the best NFL contacts in the draftnik business.edited because I type with a speech impairment.

 

[Mr. Brownstone]

When Gosselin speaks, I listen.

It is strange seeing Levi Brown fall to 20 in his mock.

 

[Wyld Stallyns]

If Detroit is in a scenario where they're just NOT able to trade down, I could see them making that AD pick with the thought in the back of their heads being, "Hey, here's our chance to finally replace Barry."

 

[Chaos Commish]

- 6 WRs in the first? Im sure CC is LOVING that.

You and I know Sidney Rice is an outstanding prospect. Explosive at the LoS, amazing hands, comes down with the ball in a crowd, is sneaky getting deep on very fast corners, runs underrated routes, but mostly just a dominating kind of athlete who can take over a game even when double covered. Possibly the best corner in the draft, Chris Houston, punked Jarrett at the LoS, proved it was no fluke by abusing the powerful Bowe the same way, then he had less press success but was still dominant against Meachem... yet, Rice had his way with Houston. It's just one line of thinking that shouldn't determine final grades, and I really like Anthony Gonzalez, but I cannot possibly look at him and Rice and... and take Gonzo. Lately I am seeing this enormous slide for Rice. There's "whispers" hidden between the lines that he has really screwed up in interviews or with his schedule and willingness to work for teams. I don't know anything more than that, and I wonder if you have heard something more detailed... because... we're now talking Gosselin here and Rice is not a first rounder. I absolutely expected to see him in the mock. As you know, I list Rice as one of the three most underrated prospects. I have no problem with Gonzo, or Smith, or Hill sneaking into the late 1st round. These WRs are the class of this draft. I just think Rice is better than them.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

- 6 WRs in the first? Im sure CC is LOVING that.

You and I know Sidney Rice is an outstanding prospect. Explosive at the LoS, amazing hands, comes down with the ball in a crowd, is sneaky getting deep on very fast corners, runs underrated routes, but mostly just a dominating kind of athlete who can take over a game even when double covered. Possibly the best corner in the draft, Chris Houston, punked Jarrett at the LoS, proved it was no fluke by abusing the powerful Bowe the same way, then he had less press success but was still dominant against Meachem... yet, Rice had his way with Houston. It just one line of thinking that shouldn't determine final grades, and I really like Anthony Gonzalez, but I cannot possibly look at him and Rice and... and take Gonzo. Lately I am seeing this enormous slide for Rice. There's "whispers" hidden between the lines that he has really screwed up in interviews or with his schedule and willingness to work for teams. I don't know anything more than that, and I wonder if you have heard something more detailed... because... we're now talking Gosselin here and Rice is not a first rounder. I absolutely expected to see him in the mock. As you know I list Rice as one of the three most underrated prospects. I have no problem with Gonzo, or Smith, or Hill sneaking into the late 1st round. These WRs are the class of this draft. I just think Rice is better than them.

You know that I Rice too. Honestly, he's the #2 WR on MY board, but I just come to accept that he's unlikely to land in the first because... well, i can't really say. It just seems like the prevailing winds are blowing that direction. I have not heard anything specific about his fall.

 

[Donnybrook]

This mock is a Viking fans worst nightmare. Quinn, Peterson, and Adams are all gone by #7.

 

[el-gato-grande]

I don't doubt that Detroit will do something stupid, but if they take AD with that pick, then that doesn't bode well for the health and situation of Kevin Jones. He must be hurt more than they are letting on if that is the case. Lisfranc can be a tough deal, but shouldn't be career threatening.

I personally have them taking Quinn or Adams with that pick, AD to Cleveland, Johnson goes to Tampa (who are clearly smitten with him) and Joe Thomas goes to the Cards.

 

[Chaos Commish]

With Gosselin being my favorite mock drafter because he leaks top secret information mixed in with the usual guessing game... I'm looking for the leaks.

1. Oakland JaMarcus Russell QB LSU 2. Detroit Adrian Peterson RB Oklahoma 3. Cleveland Calvin Johnson WR Georgia Tech 4. Tampa Bay Brady Quinn QB Notre Dame 5. Arizona Joe Thomas OT Wisconsin

With the exception of Peterson this is looking standard. I announced (straight from my but) that the Raiders would take Russell and it was a done deal back in February. I still feel that way, and I would expect Gosselin to be a rock on the first pick. DONE DEAL. Peterson smells like that top secret information Donte Whitner kind of what the hey pick. I think Gosselin might be telling us Detroit is trading down in his cryptic mock speak. I also expect a shake up in the top 5 order involving one team from the bottom five of the top ten. So, Detroit is moving way down and is just negotiating for the best offer between suitors, eh Goose? :X

6. Washington Gaines Adams DE Clemson 7. Minnesota LaRon Landry S LSU 8. Atlanta Leon Hall CB Michigan 9. Miami Alan Branch DT Michigan 10. Houston Amobi Okoye DT Louisville 11. San Francisco Jamaal Anderson DE Arkansas 12. Buffalo Marshawn Lynch RB California

Nothing real exciting here, but remember Gosselin speaks for Buffalo. Lynch it is. He is also very tuned into the Texas franchises, so Amobi to Houston may be guessing or leaking. I am expecting DEs to fall and then go in a couple major runs, so... I'll humbly disagree with Adams at 6, but then Washington doesn't seem too sharp with draft picks lately and may not know what to do with this one. They need all the help they can get on the DL.

13. St. Louis Darrelle Revis CB Pittsburgh 14. Carolina Patrick Willis LB Mississippi 15. Pittsburgh Adam Carriker DE Nebraska 16. Green Bay Ted Ginn Jr. WR Ohio State 17. Jacksonville Jarvis Moss DE Florida 18. Cincinnati Reggie Nelson S Florida 19. Tennessee Robert Meachem WR Tennessee 20. N.Y. Giants Levi Brown OT Penn State 21. Denver Lawrence Timmons LB Florida State 22. Dallas Dwayne Bowe WR LSU

Bowe, or a different WR, is probably the correct call for Dallas. It has been mentioned enough by the best beat writers and now Gosselin is giving it a name. I'm not Bowe's biggest fan, but this pick could also be leakage. I think he has Carriker and Willis falling a little too far, but what great situations for both. They almost look too good to be true, and don't I know when mocking those kind of scenarios make things easy... even when the hard way might be smarter. I love Ted Ginn's playmaking ability, but no matter where I see him mocked, it doesn't seem right. I am not thrilled with Jarvis Moss (way to weak physically) and feel the same way. I cannot find teams for either. Just rambling. Meachem to Tennesse was in my mock in February. I still like it.

23. Kansas City Justin Harrell DT Tennessee 24. New England Jon Beason LB Miami 25. N.Y. Jets Aaron Ross CB Texas 26. Philadelphia Chris Houston CB Arkansas 27. New Orleans Dwayne Jarrett WR Southern California 28. New England Michael Griffin S Texas 29. Baltimore Joe Staley OT Central Michigan 30. San Diego Anthony Gonzalez WR Ohio State 31. Chicago Paul Posluszny LB Penn State 32. Indianapolis Greg Olsen TE Miami

The winner of my draft contest is going to do well with this section of his (or her) mock. I think Chris Houston is a top 10 talent, but I am an outlier. Other than that, I like the flow of these picks by Goose. I'll even confess I wanted to see one of his mocks before posting a new one.

 

[Chaos Commish]

This mock is a Viking fans worst nightmare. Quinn, Peterson, and Adams are all gone by #7.

One man's nightmare another man's salvation. I say let someone else have Quinn. Peterson is a force of nature and you should not expect him to be there, so just be thankful if he is. I can possibly best Adams in the second round and almost equal him in the 3rd. Landry is one of the top five talents in this draft. If I had to pick a player to be a future Hall of Famer, he tops my list.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

With Gosselin being my favorite mock drafter because he leaks top secret information mixed in with the usual guessing game... I'm looking for the leaks.1. Oakland JaMarcus Russell QB LSU 2. Detroit Adrian Peterson RB Oklahoma 3. Cleveland Calvin Johnson WR Georgia Tech 4. Tampa Bay Brady Quinn QB Notre Dame 5. Arizona Joe Thomas OT Wisconsin With the exception of Peterson this is looking standard. I announced (straight from my but) that the Raiders would take Russell and it was a done deal back in February. I still feel that way, and I would expect Gosselin to be a rock on the first pick. DONE DEAL. Peterson smells like that top secret information Donte Whitner kind of what the hey pick. I think Gosselin might be telling us Detroit is trading down in his cryptic mock speak. I also expect a shake up in the top 5 order involving one team from the bottom five of the top ten. So, Detroit is moving way down and is just negotiating for the best offer between suitors, eh Goose?

The whole Detroit situation has tempted me many times to break my self-imposed "no trade in the mock" rule. Gosselin was raving about AD on the show we recorded recently.

6. Washington Gaines Adams DE Clemson 7. Minnesota LaRon Landry S LSU 8. Atlanta Leon Hall CB Michigan 9. Miami Alan Branch DT Michigan 10. Houston Amobi Okoye DT Louisville 11. San Francisco Jamaal Anderson DE Arkansas 12. Buffalo Marshawn Lynch RB California Nothing real exciting here, but remember Gosselin speaks for Buffalo. Lynch it is. He is also very tuned into the Texas franchises, so Amobi to Houston may be guessing or leaking. I am expecting DEs to fall and then go in a couple major runs, so... I'll humbly disagree with Adams at 6, but then Washington doesn't seem too sharp with draft picks lately and may not know what to do with this one. They need all the help they can get on the DL.

Lynch to Buffalo after all huh? Im just hearing that Lynch is falling, but I wouldn't blame Buffalo for going that direction. I am a strange bird - when Buffalo still had McGahee, I was thinking that Lynch could be the pick, but now that they have a huge need for Lynch, I'm getting cold feet. Washington trading their pick to Chicago is another trade that is tempting me to break my rule.

13. St. Louis Darrelle Revis CB Pittsburgh 14. Carolina Patrick Willis LB Mississippi 15. Pittsburgh Adam Carriker DE Nebraska 16. Green Bay Ted Ginn Jr. WR Ohio State 17. Jacksonville Jarvis Moss DE Florida 18. Cincinnati Reggie Nelson S Florida 19. Tennessee Robert Meachem WR Tennessee 20. N.Y. Giants Levi Brown OT Penn State 21. Denver Lawrence Timmons LB Florida State 22. Dallas Dwayne Bowe WR LSU Bowe, or a different WR, is probably the correct call for Dallas. It has been mentioned enough by the best beat writers and now Gosselin is giving it a name. I'm not Bowe's biggest fan, but this pick could also be leakage. I think he has Carriker and Willis falling a little too far, but what great situations for both. They almost look too good to be true, and don't I know when mocking those kind of scenarios make things easy... even when the hard way might be smarter. I love Ted Ginn's playmaking ability, but no matter where I see him mocked, it doesn't seem right. I am not thrilled with Jarvis Moss (way to weak physically) and feel the same way. I cannot find teams for either. Just rambling. Meachem to Tennesse was in my mock in February. I still like it.

Dallas and KC are lucky to be sitting spots where BPA and need dovetail nicely - both going WR would not surprise me. There's definitely going to be some late first value to mine to WR. Ginn to Tennessee is really gaining momentum in my mind, I have no idea why. Agreed on Moss being tough to slot, it always feels like there's a better pure DE and a better 3-4 OLB convert on the board whereever I put him.

23. Kansas City Justin Harrell DT Tennessee 24. New England Jon Beason LB Miami 25. N.Y. Jets Aaron Ross CB Texas 26. Philadelphia Chris Houston CB Arkansas 27. New Orleans Dwayne Jarrett WR Southern California 28. New England Michael Griffin S Texas 29. Baltimore Joe Staley OT Central Michigan 30. San Diego Anthony Gonzalez WR Ohio State 31. Chicago Paul Posluszny LB Penn State 32. Indianapolis Greg Olsen TE MiamiThe winner of my draft contest is going to do well with this section of his (or her) mock. I think Chris Houston is a top 10 talent, but I am an outlier. Other than that, I like the flow of these picks by Goose. I'll even confess I wanted to see one of his mocks before posting a new one.

Finally some picks where we agree! Three to be exact. Jarrett in the first is not popular now, and you've been beating the drum that he's still a legit first rounder, so props for having such a prominent name agree. Less than 2 weeks and counting...

 

[Obie Wan]

6. Washington Gaines Adams DE Clemson 7. Minnesota LaRon Landry S LSU 8. Atlanta Leon Hall CB Michigan 9. Miami Alan Branch DT Michigan 10. Houston Amobi Okoye DT Louisville 11. San Francisco Jamaal Anderson DE Arkansas 12. Buffalo Marshawn Lynch RB California

Nothing real exciting here, but remember Gosselin speaks for Buffalo. Lynch it is. [.

"Gosselin speaks for Buffalo"??what is this supposed to mean?I'm an avid Bills fan and have never heard of any inside pipeline with him.I would be shocked if the Bills pick Lynch with Willis on the board.

 

[BigTex]

Always pay close attention when Gosselin's the one doing the talking.

- on AD to DET. That would certainly raise some eyebrows, but AD is the kind of talent that you should not rule at any top 10 pick except TB, WAS, and MIA, and maybe not even TB.

- Quinn to TB is a pick I haven't been seeing that often. I really have no idea where to slot him between CLE, MIN, and MIA, but TB was not a destination I was previously considering.

- Thats about as low as Ive seen Olsen in any mock.

- another mock with Brown falling into the 20s. I do think that could happen if he gets past Miami, although I wonder what Pittsburgh thinks of him.

- 6 WRs in the first? Im sure CC is LOVING that.

The Goose is Good!

 

[BigTex]

"Detroit had success using first-round picks on Oklahoma runners Steve Owens (1970) and Billy Sims (1980)."

What possible relevance does he think picks from 37 and 27 years ago have in this draft? Why even mention this? If he's using it as support for the pick it's just silly, and if he's not doing so then he's leading readers to think he is.

If he's going to give Peterson to DET he might want to explain why they went out and got both Tatum Bell and Duckett to go with their recent 1st rounder in Jones if they were just going to take Peterson too.

As far as the old timer Sooners Detroit has picked, Gosselin is a writer and probably just wanted to toss that in for information. It could be something someone in the Detroit organization has said to him in conversation. That is the thing about Gosselin and mock drafts. He knows things no one else does. He is not a talent scout. He is no great college fan. He does not break down film. He does do his research, but most of all, he has the best NFL contacts in the draftnik business.edited because I type with a speech impairment.

 

[Donnybrook]

This mock is a Viking fans worst nightmare. Quinn, Peterson, and Adams are all gone by #7.

One man's nightmare another man's salvation. I say let someone else have Quinn. Peterson is a force of nature and you should not expect him to be there, so just be thankful if he is. I can possibly best Adams in the second round and almost equal him in the 3rd. Landry is one of the top five talents in this draft. If I had to pick a player to be a future Hall of Famer, he tops my list.

With the Vikings anemic pass rush, Laundry would still be my fourth choice out of the players mentioned. Although, I agree that Adams is somewhat overrated.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

Always pay close attention when Gosselin's the one doing the talking.

This is the most crucial bit of information that any newbie should latch onto. Gosselin knows 'thangs' that others are not privvy to.

- on AD to DET. That would certainly raise some eyebrows, but AD is the kind of talent that you should not rule at any top 10 pick except TB, WAS, and MIA, and maybe not even TB.

- Quinn to TB is a pick I haven't been seeing that often. I really have no idea where to slot him between CLE, MIN, and MIA, but TB was not a destination I was previously considering.

If you've noticed Gosselin's past mocks the first version usually has a few intentional curveballs placed in to throw others off the scent. But pay close attention to the approximate area in the draft that he ranks players. I feel this draft is going to have many trades at the top and I normally am loathe to suggest trades.

I can't see the Lions taking Peterson at #2, with so many glaring needs. If Oakland indeed took Russell, I will be shocked if the Lions don't trade back and try to get Gaines Adams. I will not be as shocked as last month if the Lions are at #2 and take Calvin Johnson.

I think the correct answer for the Lions truly is "trade down" and maybe multiple times, and Andy D projected in one of his mocks. It gets stickier when you leave them at their natural pick, because you either have to have them reach (Adams/Willis even), or take an elite offensive player at a position that is not an immediate need (QB, Peterson, Thomas) - that being said, don't rule anything out when it comes to Millen. He has successfully traded down in the draft before (Winslow/Roy Williams deal, getting a 2nd just by making Cleveland nervous), so I believe Millen has the capacity to do the right thing and trade down - and if Russell goes #1, I don't think the rest of the NFL will give him a choice.

I'm still dubious about suggesting specific trade downs and I really dislike suggesting multiple trade downs but I strongly feel their are going to be a few at the top of this draft and that both Detroit and Cleveland are sitting in the catbird seat for trading down. However, if Cleveland ends up with CJ, you won't hear a negative word from this Brown's fan. Also AP going to Detroit isn't far fetched. The lins franc injury and the LATE SURGERY to KJ means he's unavailable till later in the season. If you recall some whispers were leaked about him possibly missing the entire season and THEN Detroit traded for T-Bell and Duckett. The sharks here know T-Bell and TJ aren't solid but could pass as placeholders till KJ is back up to speed but all three pale in comparison to AP. In any event Rich's first mock ALWAYS has a few intentional odd picks to prevent copycats from taking credit for his final mock which is still the gold standard and that doesn't typically come out till hours before the first pick is selected.

 

[gump]

Wow...I'd be shocked if the Bucs took Quinn over Joe Thomas.

 

[Chaos Commish]

"Gosselin speaks for Buffalo"??what is this supposed to mean?I'm an avid Bills fan and have never heard of any inside pipeline with him.I would be shocked if the Bills pick Lynch with Willis on the board.

Four or five days before the draft last year Gosselin had Donte Whitner at #8 to the Bills. It created a small stir and was quickly discarded. Whitner might be top 20, but more likely late first and definitely not top 10. The night before the draft Mike Mayock, frantically working the phones in my guestimation, produced his final mock with Whitner to the Bills. Gosselin knew something. It was too bizarre. Mayock also knows things and it is my guess that the same source that revealed Whitner also, at the last hour, revealed McCargo to Mayock. He had them both. No one else did. The thing about Gosselin is some think he was Mayock's final source for Bills info. Does he really speak for Buffalo? Of course not and once again my sense of humor is taken seriously. I don't know how to take this topic real seriously... like keno.

 

[Chaos Commish]

This mock is a Viking fans worst nightmare. Quinn, Peterson, and Adams are all gone by #7.

One man's nightmare another man's salvation. I say let someone else have Quinn. Peterson is a force of nature and you should not expect him to be there, so just be thankful if he is. I can possibly best Adams in the second round and almost equal him in the 3rd. Landry is one of the top five talents in this draft. If I had to pick a player to be a future Hall of Famer, he tops my list.

With the Vikings anemic pass rush, Laundry would still be my fourth choice out of the players mentioned. Although, I agree that Adams is somewhat overrated.

Okay, but I think the best teams are almost always built on best available player without overemphasizing needs. It is my position that the best 15 players should fall in perfect order if they could be perfectly ranked (with the exception of QBs if a team has a great one).

 

[BGP]

My prediction for my Browns pick in the Browns thread a couple weeks ago agrees with this guy - Calvin Johnson.

Its based upon the fact that the current Browns front office has stressed time and again that they believe in taking the best player available. They said it when they selected Braylon Edwards in 2005. It seems implied in their 2006 draft, as they selected LBs with 3 of their top 4 picks. Who does that unless you don't care about position? And Calvin Johnson is considered by many to be the BEST player in this draft and also considered by many to likely be on the board when the Browns select.

 

[BGP]

I guess receiver is a need position as well. Winslow had microfracture surgery - you feel like they can count on him? Edwards blew out his knee and has yet to show he can be the player he once was. We're like the Lions - we spent two high picks on receivers, both got devastated by injuries, and here we are picking a third high.

 

[Donnybrook]

This mock is a Viking fans worst nightmare. Quinn, Peterson, and Adams are all gone by #7.

One man's nightmare another man's salvation. I say let someone else have Quinn. Peterson is a force of nature and you should not expect him to be there, so just be thankful if he is. I can possibly best Adams in the second round and almost equal him in the 3rd. Landry is one of the top five talents in this draft. If I had to pick a player to be a future Hall of Famer, he tops my list.

With the Vikings anemic pass rush, Laundry would still be my fourth choice out of the players mentioned. Although, I agree that Adams is somewhat overrated.

Okay, but I think the best teams are almost always built on best available player without overemphasizing needs. It is my position that the best 15 players should fall in perfect order if they could be perfectly ranked (with the exception of QBs if a team has a great one).

I have noticed that the Pats haven't taken a first round DB since 1999. They seem to concentrate on getting better offensive and defensive linemen in early rounds of the draft. It will be interesting to see if this trend continues this year.

 

[BGP]

This mock is a Viking fans worst nightmare. Quinn, Peterson, and Adams are all gone by #7.

One man's nightmare another man's salvation. I say let someone else have Quinn. Peterson is a force of nature and you should not expect him to be there, so just be thankful if he is. I can possibly best Adams in the second round and almost equal him in the 3rd. Landry is one of the top five talents in this draft. If I had to pick a player to be a future Hall of Famer, he tops my list.

With the Vikings anemic pass rush, Laundry would still be my fourth choice out of the players mentioned. Although, I agree that Adams is somewhat overrated.

Okay, but I think the best teams are almost always built on best available player without overemphasizing needs. It is my position that the best 15 players should fall in perfect order if they could be perfectly ranked (with the exception of QBs if a team has a great one).

I have noticed that the Pats haven't taken a first round DB since 1999. They seem to concentrate on getting better offensive and defensive linemen in early rounds of the draft. It will be interesting to see if this trend continues this year.

I agree that the priority is to win the line of scrimmage. Belichick has taken at least two players that are on the LOS with his first 4 picks every year. In his seven drafts with the Patriots, guess what the position he has drafted the most in the first 4 rounds? OL. He has grabbed 6 offensive linemen and 5 tight ends. The next highest is defensive line, with 6 of those.You just can't afford to screw around. The longer you wait to truly commit to winning the point of attack just makes it that much harder for you to win.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

6. Washington Gaines Adams DE Clemson 7. Minnesota LaRon Landry S LSU 8. Atlanta Leon Hall CB Michigan 9. Miami Alan Branch DT Michigan 10. Houston Amobi Okoye DT Louisville 11. San Francisco Jamaal Anderson DE Arkansas 12. Buffalo Marshawn Lynch RB California

Nothing real exciting here, but remember Gosselin speaks for Buffalo. Lynch it is. [.

"Gosselin speaks for Buffalo"??what is this supposed to mean?I'm an avid Bills fan and have never heard of any inside pipeline with him.I would be shocked if the Bills pick Lynch with Willis on the board.

Appreciate this. I got killed for projecting Lynch to Buffalo over Willis a couple of weeks ago, I was hoping the same people would not acquiesce now that Gosselin projected it.

 

[Dirk Digler]

meh.

 

[Sammy3469]

- 6 WRs in the first? Im sure CC is LOVING that.

You and I know Sidney Rice is an outstanding prospect. Explosive at the LoS, amazing hands, comes down with the ball in a crowd, is sneaky getting deep on very fast corners, runs underrated routes, but mostly just a dominating kind of athlete who can take over a game even when double covered. Possibly the best corner in the draft, Chris Houston, punked Jarrett at the LoS, proved it was no fluke by abusing the powerful Bowe the same way, then he had less press success but was still dominant against Meachem... yet, Rice had his way with Houston. It just one line of thinking that shouldn't determine final grades, and I really like Anthony Gonzalez, but I cannot possibly look at him and Rice and... and take Gonzo. Lately I am seeing this enormous slide for Rice. There's "whispers" hidden between the lines that he has really screwed up in interviews or with his schedule and willingness to work for teams. I don't know anything more than that, and I wonder if you have heard something more detailed... because... we're now talking Gosselin here and Rice is not a first rounder. I absolutely expected to see him in the mock. As you know I list Rice as one of the three most underrated prospects. I have no problem with Gonzo, or Smith, or Hill sneaking into the late 1st round. These WRs are the class of this draft. I just think Rice is better than them.

You know that I Rice too. Honestly, he's the #2 WR on MY board, but I just come to accept that he's unlikely to land in the first because... well, i can't really say. It just seems like the prevailing winds are blowing that direction. I have not heard anything specific about his fall.

FWIW, McShay has Rice as the 8th best WR saying that while first round height, athleticism and leaping ability, he has Day 2 burst and strength.

 

[Englishteacher]

I can't see the Lions taking Peterson at #2, with so many glaring needs. If Oakland indeed took Russell, I will be shocked if the Lions don't trade back and try to get Gaines Adams. I will not be as shocked as last month if the Lions are at #2 and take Calvin Johnson.

I think the correct answer for the Lions truly is "trade down" and maybe multiple times, and Andy D projected in one of his mocks. It gets stickier when you leave them at their natural pick, because you either have to have them reach (Adams/Willis even), or take an elite offensive player at a position that is not an immediate need (QB, Peterson, Thomas) - that being said, don't rule anything out when it comes to Millen. He has successfully traded down in the draft before (Winslow/Roy Williams deal, getting a 2nd just by making Cleveland nervous), so I believe Millen has the capacity to do the right thing and trade down - and if Russell goes #1, I don't think the rest of the NFL will give him a choice.

I think the bigger part of that deal happening though was Butch Davis was the new (and stupid) coach of the Browns and he had a in his pocket for Winslow since he coached him at Miami. Many folks said Cleveland was robbed in that deal, giving up a second round pick to move up 1 spot in the latter half of the Top 10. I've read several articles that highlight how college coaches coming to the NFL shoot themselves in the foot by demanding too much front office power and making dubious draft decisions. These guys don't have the experience or knowledge yet of how the draft works. Saban is a great, recent example. In other words, I wouldnt give too much credit to Millen on that one. This doesn't preclude him from trading down successfully in this draft but I think he got a second round pick in that scenario for the proverbial "magic beans". He was dealing with a rookie head coach in over his head and got handed that one.

In recent memory, the only college coach who's come in and done a rockin' job in the front office aspect when he was granted lots of power was Jimmy Johnson. And by the way, that was Jimmy Johnson who built that dynasty and not Jerry Jones. Witness what happened after Johnson left and Jerry took over the team.......

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I sure hope nygiants56 sees this.

Comedy is sure to ensue.

 

[Chaos Commish]

- 6 WRs in the first? Im sure CC is LOVING that.

You and I know Sidney Rice is an outstanding prospect. Explosive at the LoS, amazing hands, comes down with the ball in a crowd, is sneaky getting deep on very fast corners, runs underrated routes, but mostly just a dominating kind of athlete who can take over a game even when double covered. Possibly the best corner in the draft, Chris Houston, punked Jarrett at the LoS, proved it was no fluke by abusing the powerful Bowe the same way, then he had less press success but was still dominant against Meachem... yet, Rice had his way with Houston. It just one line of thinking that shouldn't determine final grades, and I really like Anthony Gonzalez, but I cannot possibly look at him and Rice and... and take Gonzo. Lately I am seeing this enormous slide for Rice. There's "whispers" hidden between the lines that he has really screwed up in interviews or with his schedule and willingness to work for teams. I don't know anything more than that, and I wonder if you have heard something more detailed... because... we're now talking Gosselin here and Rice is not a first rounder. I absolutely expected to see him in the mock. As you know I list Rice as one of the three most underrated prospects. I have no problem with Gonzo, or Smith, or Hill sneaking into the late 1st round. These WRs are the class of this draft. I just think Rice is better than them.

You know that I Rice too. Honestly, he's the #2 WR on MY board, but I just come to accept that he's unlikely to land in the first because... well, i can't really say. It just seems like the prevailing winds are blowing that direction. I have not heard anything specific about his fall.

FWIW, McShay has Rice as the 8th best WR saying that while first round height, athleticism and leaping ability, he has Day 2 burst and strength.

Well pardon the arrogant tone, but McShay isn't paying attention. How do they measure burst? They have two keys and the film to go by. The ten yard split. Rice was amazing. The best measure of burst? The vertical jump. Rice is a 40" freakazoid. Finally the film. Chris Houston jams the life out of Bowe and Jarrett but Rice runs right through him all day. Whatever. Rice may be making some mistakes causing him to fall, and he is raw, but McShay is way off on these particular points.

 

[Hairy Snowman]

Cant see the draft falling this way - especially not the Bears pick. That LB just doesn't fit the scheme or what the Bears want out of the position. Very good player, just too little speed.

"Goose" may have the inside connections, but IMO some of his connections must be sending out "wrong" signals. Its called misinformation. Media scrutiny has never been as high as it is in this draft so clubs are bound to start using that to their advantage. I know that the Bears are being very tight lipped about anything they are planning since the Briggs fiasco. And I mean ANYTHING and EVERYTHING.

I can't see other clubs talking it up to someone they know is going to publish a report on the draft, no matter how close he is to the club. It would be like shooting yourself in the foot. Unless you used it to your advantage.

Which is what I believe from this - not much.

I like Blooms 7 rounder better - except I don't expect all the clubs to draft as well as he projected them. They ain't as smart as him or Andy.

Well see......draft is around the corner.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

They ain't as smart as him or Andy.

Stop it!

 

[Sammy3469]

- 6 WRs in the first? Im sure CC is LOVING that.

You and I know Sidney Rice is an outstanding prospect. Explosive at the LoS, amazing hands, comes down with the ball in a crowd, is sneaky getting deep on very fast corners, runs underrated routes, but mostly just a dominating kind of athlete who can take over a game even when double covered. Possibly the best corner in the draft, Chris Houston, punked Jarrett at the LoS, proved it was no fluke by abusing the powerful Bowe the same way, then he had less press success but was still dominant against Meachem... yet, Rice had his way with Houston. It just one line of thinking that shouldn't determine final grades, and I really like Anthony Gonzalez, but I cannot possibly look at him and Rice and... and take Gonzo. Lately I am seeing this enormous slide for Rice. There's "whispers" hidden between the lines that he has really screwed up in interviews or with his schedule and willingness to work for teams. I don't know anything more than that, and I wonder if you have heard something more detailed... because... we're now talking Gosselin here and Rice is not a first rounder. I absolutely expected to see him in the mock. As you know I list Rice as one of the three most underrated prospects. I have no problem with Gonzo, or Smith, or Hill sneaking into the late 1st round. These WRs are the class of this draft. I just think Rice is better than them.

You know that I :( Rice too. Honestly, he's the #2 WR on MY board, but I just come to accept that he's unlikely to land in the first because... well, i can't really say. It just seems like the prevailing winds are blowing that direction. I have not heard anything specific about his fall.

FWIW, McShay has Rice as the 8th best WR saying that while first round height, athleticism and leaping ability, he has Day 2 burst and strength.

Well pardon the arrogant tone, but McShay isn't paying attention. How do they measure burst? They have two keys and the film to go by. The ten yard split. Rice was amazing. The best measure of burst? The vertical jump. Rice is a 40" freakazoid. Finally the film. Chris Houston jams the life out of Bowe and Jarrett but Rice runs right through him all day. Whatever. Rice may be making some mistakes causing him to fall, and he is raw, but McShay is way off on these particular points.

Hey, I'm not saying who's right, simply saying what the percieved weakness is. I have no clue who's right/wrong especially since WR is such a hard position to project, but that a lot of others (presumably including NFL GMs), don't have Rice that high...and to echo your point on this being a weak draft overall, many of the WRs McShay has above Rice, he doesn't necessarily think they are 1st round talents in the grand scheme of things and he thinks they all have relatively big question marks besides Johnson.

 

[ThePittbully]

I usually really like his mocks, and he knows his stuff but this one just seems so off to me

 

[Chaos Commish]

I usually really like his mocks, and he knows his stuff but this one just seems so off to me

I've read several long time draftniks (like the guys at DraftDaddy) claim this is the most difficult year to project in memory. I agree. The general weakness of the draft with unusual strength at WR really sets some strange things in place. Bad LBs and OLs that rank highly at their position (but are unlikely to ever start). Great WRs who aren't top ten at theirs (and may be long term starters). Older DEs who rank highly but are barely playing better than very young ones. JC talents with very little 1A experience having huge seasons from out of the blue. Blue chip studs have unproductive seasons and falling who knows how far. Small schoolers measuring unusually well. Bloom picked an insane year to go for a 7 rounder and I think draft day is going to bring much gnashing of teeth. It is great fun.

 

[Jene Bramel]

Bad LBs that rank highly at their position (but are unlikely to ever start).

Can I get you to name some names?

 

[Obie Wan]

6. Washington Gaines Adams DE Clemson 7. Minnesota LaRon Landry S LSU 8. Atlanta Leon Hall CB Michigan 9. Miami Alan Branch DT Michigan 10. Houston Amobi Okoye DT Louisville 11. San Francisco Jamaal Anderson DE Arkansas 12. Buffalo Marshawn Lynch RB California

Nothing real exciting here, but remember Gosselin speaks for Buffalo. Lynch it is. [.

"Gosselin speaks for Buffalo"??what is this supposed to mean?I'm an avid Bills fan and have never heard of any inside pipeline with him.I would be shocked if the Bills pick Lynch with Willis on the board.

Appreciate this. I got killed for projecting Lynch to Buffalo over Willis a couple of weeks ago, I was hoping the same people would not acquiesce now that Gosselin projected it.

any info fed to the "experts" at this time is to manipulate the media monster.The info leak on this "pick" is a message to the Chargers that the Bills have other options than Turner at RB.

 

[Chaos Commish]

Bad LBs that rank highly at their position (but are unlikely to ever start).

Can I get you to name some names?

Brandon, Earl, HB, Rory, Quincy, Justin, Anthony, Zak and maybe even Rufus and Buster. Many of them look great as they rank among their peers, but then I look at the NFL and think nah... not him. I do the same with the RBs, btw. I just don't see this class having the impact the annual draft hype makes us hope for. Part of my problem could be this constant comparison to last year, which was outstanding through and through and proved it on the field of play... but that's my take and I really want to avoid flame wars and arguments about the greatness of any player in particular. Spirited debate is good, but when someone chops ILBs at 2 (Willis and Harris) and OLBs at 4(Puz, Beason, Timmons, Bradley) well I'm just asking for it (and I don't want it). I'm not even that sold on Timmons and Harris. I do like a few lesser names like Bishop and Nicholas, but they really have work cut out for them.

 

[Hairy Snowman]

I usually really like his mocks, and he knows his stuff but this one just seems so off to me

I've read several long time draftniks (like the guys at DraftDaddy) claim this is the most difficult year to project in memory. I agree. The general weakness of the draft with unusual strength at WR really sets some strange things in place. Bad LBs and OLs that rank highly at their position (but are unlikely to ever start). Great WRs who aren't top ten at theirs (and may be long term starters). Older DEs who rank highly but are barely playing better than very young ones. JC talents with very little 1A experience having huge seasons from out of the blue. Blue chip studs have unproductive seasons and falling who knows how far. Small schoolers measuring unusually well. Bloom picked an insane year to go for a 7 rounder and I think draft day is going to bring much gnashing of teeth. It is great fun.

I thought about it and I'll reserve my opinion until after the draft. Paul Posluszny could fit the defense

 

[ConstruxBoy]

- 6 WRs in the first? Im sure CC is LOVING that.

You and I know Sidney Rice is an outstanding prospect. Explosive at the LoS, amazing hands, comes down with the ball in a crowd, is sneaky getting deep on very fast corners, runs underrated routes, but mostly just a dominating kind of athlete who can take over a game even when double covered. Possibly the best corner in the draft, Chris Houston, punked Jarrett at the LoS, proved it was no fluke by abusing the powerful Bowe the same way, then he had less press success but was still dominant against Meachem... yet, Rice had his way with Houston. It just one line of thinking that shouldn't determine final grades, and I really like Anthony Gonzalez, but I cannot possibly look at him and Rice and... and take Gonzo. Lately I am seeing this enormous slide for Rice. There's "whispers" hidden between the lines that he has really screwed up in interviews or with his schedule and willingness to work for teams. I don't know anything more than that, and I wonder if you have heard something more detailed... because... we're now talking Gosselin here and Rice is not a first rounder. I absolutely expected to see him in the mock. As you know I list Rice as one of the three most underrated prospects. I have no problem with Gonzo, or Smith, or Hill sneaking into the late 1st round. These WRs are the class of this draft. I just think Rice is better than them.

You know that I Rice too. Honestly, he's the #2 WR on MY board, but I just come to accept that he's unlikely to land in the first because... well, i can't really say. It just seems like the prevailing winds are blowing that direction. I have not heard anything specific about his fall.

FWIW, McShay has Rice as the 8th best WR saying that while first round height, athleticism and leaping ability, he has Day 2 burst and strength.

Well pardon the arrogant tone, but McShay isn't paying attention. How do they measure burst? They have two keys and the film to go by. The ten yard split. Rice was amazing. The best measure of burst? The vertical jump. Rice is a 40" freakazoid. Finally the film. Chris Houston jams the life out of Bowe and Jarrett but Rice runs right through him all day. Whatever. Rice may be making some mistakes causing him to fall, and he is raw, but McShay is way off on these particular points.

You're much better at seeing these things than I am, but I honestly have been wondering about his separation when watching some of his tape. I agree that 10 yd split and VJ are good indicators of that, but I just don't see him getting away from DBs as well as he should when I saw him play.

 

[Chaos Commish]

- 6 WRs in the first? Im sure CC is LOVING that.

You and I know Sidney Rice is an outstanding prospect. Explosive at the LoS, amazing hands, comes down with the ball in a crowd, is sneaky getting deep on very fast corners, runs underrated routes, but mostly just a dominating kind of athlete who can take over a game even when double covered. Possibly the best corner in the draft, Chris Houston, punked Jarrett at the LoS, proved it was no fluke by abusing the powerful Bowe the same way, then he had less press success but was still dominant against Meachem... yet, Rice had his way with Houston. It just one line of thinking that shouldn't determine final grades, and I really like Anthony Gonzalez, but I cannot possibly look at him and Rice and... and take Gonzo. Lately I am seeing this enormous slide for Rice. There's "whispers" hidden between the lines that he has really screwed up in interviews or with his schedule and willingness to work for teams. I don't know anything more than that, and I wonder if you have heard something more detailed... because... we're now talking Gosselin here and Rice is not a first rounder. I absolutely expected to see him in the mock. As you know I list Rice as one of the three most underrated prospects. I have no problem with Gonzo, or Smith, or Hill sneaking into the late 1st round. These WRs are the class of this draft. I just think Rice is better than them.

You know that I Rice too. Honestly, he's the #2 WR on MY board, but I just come to accept that he's unlikely to land in the first because... well, i can't really say. It just seems like the prevailing winds are blowing that direction. I have not heard anything specific about his fall.

FWIW, McShay has Rice as the 8th best WR saying that while first round height, athleticism and leaping ability, he has Day 2 burst and strength.

Well pardon the arrogant tone, but McShay isn't paying attention. How do they measure burst? They have two keys and the film to go by. The ten yard split. Rice was amazing. The best measure of burst? The vertical jump. Rice is a 40" freakazoid. Finally the film. Chris Houston jams the life out of Bowe and Jarrett but Rice runs right through him all day. Whatever. Rice may be making some mistakes causing him to fall, and he is raw, but McShay is way off on these particular points.

You're much better at seeing these things than I am, but I honestly have been wondering about his separation when watching some of his tape. I agree that 10 yd split and VJ are good indicators of that, but I just don't see him getting away from DBs as well as he should when I saw him play.

Well... Calvin Johnson had some bad games. I've seen him drop a game winning pass. I've seen him with alligator arms looking for Weddle not the ball. What Rice games are you watching? His highlights are impressive, but he is often surrounded because those are impressive plays. No WRs were double covered more than Rice and Calvin over the past two seasons. Did you see Rice against Arkansas (Chris Houston), Bowe, Jarrett, Meachem? Ask Chris Houston who was the toughest. That was his only losing battle all year.How about Rice and Calvin against Tye Hill two years ago? Hill made his name against Johnson and was schooled by Rice. Johnson caught two balls for something like 22 yards. Someone can look it up. Tye Hill became a hot name in the draftnik community after that game. A few weeks later this hotshot freshman comes to town and Hill tries the same stuff. Rice smoked him for 7 and 120+. It was all man coverage in both games. Rice is a bad man. Also he is still 20 years old. The upside is awesome. He will get much bigger and stronger. Remember TO as a rookie? He looked a lot ALOT like Rice.also, I apologize to all worshipers at Calvin's altar for the blasphemy. Forgive me. But don't give me that Reggie Ball stuff in this context. Rice too had to be gumby for his QBs.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

- 6 WRs in the first? Im sure CC is LOVING that.

You and I know Sidney Rice is an outstanding prospect. Explosive at the LoS, amazing hands, comes down with the ball in a crowd, is sneaky getting deep on very fast corners, runs underrated routes, but mostly just a dominating kind of athlete who can take over a game even when double covered. Possibly the best corner in the draft, Chris Houston, punked Jarrett at the LoS, proved it was no fluke by abusing the powerful Bowe the same way, then he had less press success but was still dominant against Meachem... yet, Rice had his way with Houston. It just one line of thinking that shouldn't determine final grades, and I really like Anthony Gonzalez, but I cannot possibly look at him and Rice and... and take Gonzo. Lately I am seeing this enormous slide for Rice. There's "whispers" hidden between the lines that he has really screwed up in interviews or with his schedule and willingness to work for teams. I don't know anything more than that, and I wonder if you have heard something more detailed... because... we're now talking Gosselin here and Rice is not a first rounder. I absolutely expected to see him in the mock. As you know I list Rice as one of the three most underrated prospects. I have no problem with Gonzo, or Smith, or Hill sneaking into the late 1st round. These WRs are the class of this draft. I just think Rice is better than them.

You know that I Rice too. Honestly, he's the #2 WR on MY board, but I just come to accept that he's unlikely to land in the first because... well, i can't really say. It just seems like the prevailing winds are blowing that direction. I have not heard anything specific about his fall.

FWIW, McShay has Rice as the 8th best WR saying that while first round height, athleticism and leaping ability, he has Day 2 burst and strength.

Well pardon the arrogant tone, but McShay isn't paying attention. How do they measure burst? They have two keys and the film to go by. The ten yard split. Rice was amazing. The best measure of burst? The vertical jump. Rice is a 40" freakazoid. Finally the film. Chris Houston jams the life out of Bowe and Jarrett but Rice runs right through him all day. Whatever. Rice may be making some mistakes causing him to fall, and he is raw, but McShay is way off on these particular points.

You're much better at seeing these things than I am, but I honestly have been wondering about his separation when watching some of his tape. I agree that 10 yd split and VJ are good indicators of that, but I just don't see him getting away from DBs as well as he should when I saw him play.

Well... Calvin Johnson had some bad games. I've seen him drop a game winning pass. I've seen him with alligator arms looking for Weddle not the ball. What Rice games are you watching? His highlights are impressive, but he is often surrounded because those are impressive plays. No WRs were double covered more than Rice and Calvin over the past two seasons. Did you see Rice against Arkansas (Chris Houston), Bowe, Jarrett, Meachem? Ask Chris Houston who was the toughest. That was his only losing battle all year.How about Rice and Calvin against Tye Hill two years ago? Hill made his name against Johnson and was schooled by Rice. Johnson caught two balls for something like 22 yards. Someone can look it up. Tye Hill became a hot name in the draftnik community after that game. A few weeks later this hotshot freshman comes to town and Hill tries the same stuff. Rice smoked him for 7 and 120+. It was all man coverage in both games. Rice is a bad man. Also he is still 20 years old. The upside is awesome. He will get much bigger and stronger. Remember TO as a rookie? He looked a lot ALOT like Rice.also, I apologize to all worshipers at Calvin's altar for the blasphemy. Forgive me. But don't give me that Reggie Ball stuff in this context. Rice too had to be gumby for his QBs.

Mostly saw the Florida, Clemson and Liberty Bowl. He had good stats in the games, but I saw plays where it didn't look like he was getting away from the defender. He still made some great catches and fought for the ball, but I'd rather see him get clean. And yes, Blake Mitchell isn't a superstar, but he's certainly better than Ball. I'll try to find some online tapes, but we'll just have to disagree. I'm just happy to see other people saying something about it so I don't feel crazy. And don't worry, I won't steal him from you in the 1st round.

 

[Chaos Commish]

I won't steal him from you in the 1st round.

Prolly a smokescreen He has a catch against Florida... just wow. You know this kid averaged 18 points, 7 boards and 4 blocks a game leading his HS to the state 4A title and a 28-0 record? Love them hoopsters catching balls. Oh, I doubt I take him in the first either... I'm trading down again.eta you should check out the Independence Bowl. 9 for 170 and 3 TDs at the half.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

I won't steal him from you in the 1st round.

Prolly a smokescreen He has a catch against Florida... just wow. You know this kid averaged 18 points, 7 boards and 4 blocks a game leading his HS to the state 4A title and a 28-0 record? Love them hoopsters catching balls. Oh, I doubt I take him in the first either... I'm trading down again.eta you should check out the Independence Bowl. 9 for 170 and 3 TDs at the half.

It's funny because I watched Jarrett and thought that he didn't look that fast, but he seemed to do a good job of getting clean. And then I watched Rice and thought he looked fast, but didn't seem to do a good job of getting clean. So then they do their workouts and Jarrett is slow and Rice is fast. No kidding. But watch their films, not their 40 yard dash in shorts. Just saying. So where is Rice on your WR list? Where is Jarrett?

 

[Chaos Commish]

So where is Rice on your WR list? Where is Jarrett?

After pimping Rice in this thread I have talked myself into them being tied. hth

 

[ConstruxBoy]

So where is Rice on your WR list? Where is Jarrett?

After pimping Rice in this thread I have talked myself into them being tied. hth

LOL, Ve have vays of making you talk!

 

[ConstruxBoy]

Do want to add that I'm not talking about Rice on fly routes. I know he has the speed to eat the cushion and go by the corner. I'm talking about the other routes. Maybe it's more of a lack of route running than acceleration?