Rick Gosselin's first mock draft (1 Viewer)

[southeastjerome]

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dw...ft.24fa77e.html

1. Detroit Lions:

Matthew Stafford, QB, Georgia

Lions are hoping Stafford can be their next Bobby Layne

2. St. Louis Rams:

Jason Smith, OT, Baylor

Huge hole at left tackle with release of Orlando Pace

3. Kansas City Chiefs:

Aaron Curry, OLB, Wake Forest

The NFL's 31st-ranked defense needs a playmaker

4. Seattle Seahawks:

Michael Crabtree, WR, Texas Tech

Seahawks desperate for a threatening offensive weapon

5. Cleveland Browns:

B.J. Raji, DT, Boston College

Success starts with run defense in AFC North

6. Cincinnati Bengals:

Jeremy Maclin, WR, Missouri

Bengals need WR/KR to replace T.J. Houshmandzadeh

7. Oakland Raiders:

Percy Harvin, WR, Florida

Raiders need more weapons to give QB Russell a chance

8. Jacksonville Jaguars:

Eugene Monroe, OT, Virginia

Jaguars allowed 42 sacks last season

9. Green Bay Packers:

Tyson Jackson, DE, LSU

Going to a 3-4, the Packers get best 3-4 DE in draft

10. San Francisco 49ers:

Mark Sanchez, QB, USC

Success has always started at QB for the 49ers

11. Buffalo Bills:

Aaron Maybin, DE, Penn State

The NFL's 29th-ranked pass rush needs help

12. Denver Broncos:

Josh Freeman, QB, Kansas State

Without Jay Cutler, the Broncos need a quarterback

13. Washington Redskins:

Brian Orakpo, DE, Texas

Like Buffalo, the Redskins managed only 24 sacks in 2008

14. New Orleans Saints:

Vontae Davis, CB, Illinois

The NFL's 23rd-ranked pass defense needs a shutdown corner

15. Houston Texans:

Robert Ayers, DE, Tennessee

Pro Bowler DE Mario Williams had 12 of Texans' 25 sacks

16. San Diego Chargers:

Rey Maualuga, MLB, USC

Maualuga plays with same reckless abandon as Junior Seau

17. New York Jets:

Darius Heyward-Bey, WR, Maryland

Jets need to replace the speed of Laveranues Coles

18. Denver Broncos:

Peria Jerry, DT, Mississippi

The NFL's 29th-ranked defense needs across-the-board help

19. Tampa Bay Buccaneers:

Beanie Wells, HB, Ohio State

With Gruden gone, Bucs become power-oriented on offense

20. Detroit Lions:

Ziggy Hood, DT, Missouri

Detroit's two starting DTs gone from a year ago

21. Philadelphia Eagles:

Brandon Pettigrew, TE, Oklahoma State

Eagles lost TE L.J. Smith in free agency

22. Minnesota Vikings:

Malcolm Jenkins, CB, Ohio State

Vikings need a physical presence in 18th-ranked pass defense

23. New England Patriots:

Clay Matthews, OLB, USC

Bill Belichick also coached Clay's dad at Cleveland

24. Atlanta Falcons:

Brian Cushing, OLB, USC

The Falcons lost their two starting OLBs in free agency

25. Miami Dolphins:

James Laurinaitis, MLB, Ohio State

Give him a month and Laurinaitis will be running Miami D

26. Baltimore Ravens:

Andre Smith, OT, Alabama

Another gift for the Ravens – great player, bad workout

27. Indianapolis Colts:

Knowshown Moreno, HB, Georgia

Joseph Addai can't stay healthy, so help is on the way

28. Philadelphia Eagles:

LeSean McCoy, HB, Pittsburgh

McCoy is a clone of Brian Westbrook

29. New York Giants:

Michael Oher, OT, Mississippi

Gives Giants the luxury of moving Dave Diehl back to G

30. Tennessee Titans:

Kenny Britt, WR, Rutgers

Deep speed eases pressure on Pro Bowl RB Chris Johnson

31. Arizona Cardinals:

Donald Brown, HB, Connecticut

NFL's worst rushing attack gets a boost

32. Pittsburgh Steelers:

Alex Mack, C, California

Steelers need to re-establish identity as running team

 

[Blackjacks]

WOW!!!!! Harvin to the Raiders with the 7th pick.

I like reading his mocks and as much as I disagree with him I wouldn't be surprised to see him hit alot of his calls.

I'm starting to see Moreno to the Colts a little more............he could be awesome if that happened, Addai is a waste.

 

[Multiple Scores]

I could be mistaken, I thought there was a Gosselin article very recently where he said LeSean McCoy will be a total bust, if this is true it's weird seeing him placing him in Philly and calling him a Westbrook clone.

 

[coolnerd]

. Here's the first of three mock draft offerings from The Dallas Morning News this month. The second will come next Sunday, and the final mock on the actual day of the draft. The first mock is based on my draft board of the top 32 players, the second focuses more on team need and the third is how I see the draft playing out.

From the link above. This may influence how you read/critique this mock draft.

 

[zadok]

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dw...ft.24fa77e.html

McCoy is a clone of Brian Westbrook

 

[massraider]

. Here's the first of three mock draft offerings from The Dallas Morning News this month. The second will come next Sunday, and the final mock on the actual day of the draft. The first mock is based on my draft board of the top 32 players, the second focuses more on team need and the third is how I see the draft playing out.

From the link above. This may influence how you read/critique this mock draft.

Gosselin isn't trying to predict the draft with this mock. In fact, he has such a good track record that it could be argued he is trying to throw off any other mockers out there.He puts out three mocks, but only the last one means anything.

 

[Buffaloes]

ETA: I didn't read this before I ripped some of the picks

. Here's the first of three mock draft offerings from The Dallas Morning News this month. The second will come next Sunday, and the final mock on the actual day of the draft. The first mock is based on my draft board of the top 32 players, the second focuses more on team need and the third is how I see the draft playing out.

 

[Mr. Peterson]

I would be so disgusted and pissed if the Bills passed on Orakpo and took Maybin. Maybin SCREAMS bust to me. Orakpo on the other hand is one of the most athletic DE's to come out since Mario Williams and is going to be a monster in the NFL.

No way Orakpo lasts to the Bills pick anyways.

I usually like his mocks, but this one doesn't make sense in a lot of ways. It seems like he's going out of his way this year to be different.

 

[Mr. Peterson]

ETA: I didn't read this before I ripped some of the picks

. Here's the first of three mock draft offerings from The Dallas Morning News this month. The second will come next Sunday, and the final mock on the actual day of the draft. The first mock is based on my draft board of the top 32 players, the second focuses more on team need and the third is how I see the draft playing out.

Oh.... I didn't know that. I still see no way that Maybin goes before Orakpo. No matter what format this is.

 

[Faust]

Orakpo stock falling?

http://rob-rang.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/view/13682485

On the flipside, Texas defensive end Brian Orakpo seems to be slipping down boards. I've spoken to scouts who operate for teams using the 4-3 and 3-4 alignments and each club is souring on the Longhorn pass-rusher. The more film teams do on Orakpo, the more they are left wondering if he is explosive and persistent enough to consistently generate a pass rush against NFL left tackles or, for that matter, agile enough to drop back into coverage. Orakpo's imposing build is impressive to look at, but belies his career-long struggles with durability, as well; another element that scouts are mentioning as a reason he could slip out of the top ten -- and perhaps considerably farther than that.

 

[ookook]

Would the Packers really pass on Orakpo for Jackson?

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Freeman at 12 would be stunning.

I think he forgot that the Bucs signed Derrick Ward. Or maybe he just doesn't think much of Ward.

 

[bcr8f]

Would the Packers really pass on Orakpo for Jackson?

My question too. I like either player but think a pass rushing OLB over a DE in the 3-4 would be tough.

 

[massraider]

Freeman at 12 would be stunning.

I think he forgot that the Bucs signed Derrick Ward. Or maybe he just doesn't think much of Ward.

I am gonna go out on a limb and say his final mock looks nothing like this

 

[Ariakis]

Hard to argue if he's saying this mock is worthless lol. That said, if it's based on rankings only then I'd move OT's up and WR's down.

 

[TheFanatic]

Hard to argue if he's saying this mock is worthless lol. That said, if it's based on rankings only then I'd move OT's up and WR's down.

I was thinking this myself. He has like 6 WR's going in the 1st. I just don't see that happening....

 

[Kitrick Taylor]

I would be so disgusted and pissed if the Bills passed on Orakpo and took Maybin. Maybin SCREAMS bust to me. Orakpo on the other hand is one of the most athletic DE's to come out since Mario Williams and is going to be a monster in the NFL.No way Orakpo lasts to the Bills pick anyways. I usually like his mocks, but this one doesn't make sense in a lot of ways. It seems like he's going out of his way this year to be different.

There used to be a time that I got this passionate about the exact guy my team drafted. I have learned since that I really have no idea who will bust, and whom will be an all pro. These GMs not only know the scheme they are running perfectly, their opinions are often times supported/shaped by the coaching staffs and scouting staffs of their respective teams. Not only do they watch all the available game film about each pertinent prospect, but so do their scouting staffs. They also get to see some of these players play live. Then they get to meet them in person at the combine, pro days, and potentially a visit to the team facility. He'll also get the opinions of the prospects' collegiate coaching staff as well. We now know teams hire staff to follow the prospects' facebook/myspace pages and private detectives to search for issues. We as fans get a small sampling of the info available to the GMs. I mean this as no offense to you AP. You obviously prefer Orapko to Maybin. You could very well be right on your call. You have to acknowledge though, that the GM that drafts Maybin is doing so with a far greater understanding of what he's getting than any of us will.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dw...ft.24fa77e.html

1. Detroit Lions:

Matthew Stafford, QB, Georgia

Lions are hoping Stafford can be their next Bobby Layne

Will be a bust

2. St. Louis Rams:

Jason Smith, OT, Baylor

Huge hole at left tackle with release of Orlando Pace

Looks like a solid pick

3. Kansas City Chiefs:

Aaron Curry, OLB, Wake Forest

The NFL's 31st-ranked defense needs a playmaker

What are they thinking? Do you really want to lock up $40 million+ on an OLB? I know they took a LT last season but they should see that they have a chance to get good in a big hurry is they continue to rebuild the OL. Eugene Monroe who was the best player for a lot of teams on their boards a few weeks back would be a great pick for them. I'm not sure Branden Albert is going to be a top5 LT for his position. I believe he also came form the Univ Of VA...now I want to just show where teams like TN spent $40-$50 million a piece ont heir 2 Tackles form a year ago to keep them ont he team, Miami spent $57 million on Long last season, and $42 million on Vernon Carey to keep him at RT, the point is KC has the potential for a great offense, and in this division right now you don't need 12 wins to take it...10 would likely get er done. They ahve so many play makers on their offense, and Gonzo is not getting any younger, they shouldcontinue a rebuild on that OL.

4. Seattle Seahawks:

Michael Crabtree, WR, Texas Tech

Seahawks desperate for a threatening offensive weapon

Add another WR after you have spent multiple 1st round picks on Deion Branch, spent $40 million on Housh...not going in the right direction I'm afraid.

5. Cleveland Browns:

B.J. Raji, DT, Boston College

Success starts with run defense in AFC North

What happened to these guys? I thought they had a very strong OL going into last year and they just imploded on offense. Don't they have Rodgers at DT? Why go after this guy who is also showing possible character flaws? Amazes me how bad teams stay bad.

6. Cincinnati Bengals:

Jeremy Maclin, WR, Missouri

Bengals need WR/KR to replace T.J. Houshmandzadeh

Cinci spent picks on WRs in the last couple of years. They still have Johnson, Henry, Coles...why a WR here? makes no sense to me.

7. Oakland Raiders:

Percy Harvin, WR, Florida

Raiders need more weapons to give QB Russell a chance

Taking a Florida WR no less with the #7 pick? Oakland loves picking in the top10 year in and year out.

8. Jacksonville Jaguars:

Eugene Monroe, OT, Virginia

Jaguars allowed 42 sacks last season

Excellent pick if he is on the board, at least 3 or 4 other teams IMO should be taking this guy higher up in the draft.

9. Green Bay Packers:

Tyson Jackson, DE, LSU

Going to a 3-4, the Packers get best 3-4 DE in draft

Seems like a slight reach. I know DEs are typically picked a lot in the 1st round, but a lot of them don't make an impact.

10. San Francisco 49ers:

Mark Sanchez, QB, USC

Success has always started at QB for the 49ers

I like the pick

11. Buffalo Bills:

Aaron Maybin, DE, Penn State

The NFL's 29th-ranked pass rush needs help

12. Denver Broncos:

Josh Freeman, QB, Kansas State

Without Jay Cutler, the Broncos need a quarterback

I cannot imagine them taking him here at 12. Don't be surprised if Denver grabs their DT right here instead of gambling. This is not a good DT class so they cannot gamble on waiting.

13. Washington Redskins:

Brian Orakpo, DE, Texas

Like Buffalo, the Redskins managed only 24 sacks in 2008

14. New Orleans Saints:

Vontae Davis, CB, Illinois

The NFL's 23rd-ranked pass defense needs a shutdown corner

Too bad Davis isn't a shut down corner.

15. Houston Texans:

Robert Ayers, DE, Tennessee

Pro Bowler DE Mario Williams had 12 of Texans' 25 sacks

I see them actually looking on offense. Wells might not make it past this pick, and I think Houston will start a nice 2 back system with Slaton not being asked to carry the entire load like last year. The Texans have a nice solid team, they need something explosive to get them over the top. Imagine what the passing game would look like if teams were fearful of the run.

16. San Diego Chargers:

Rey Maualuga, MLB, USC

Maualuga plays with same reckless abandon as Junior Seau

If he falls this far, it's a great pick.

17. New York Jets:

Darius Heyward-Bey, WR, Maryland

Jets need to replace the speed of Laveranues Coles

When did speed become the way we measure WR success in the NFL? It's the Jets, I hope every pick they make busts...signed homer Dolphin fan.

18. Denver Broncos:

Peria Jerry, DT, Mississippi

The NFL's 29th-ranked defense needs across-the-board help

I don't think they wait on this pick, look for them to take another person for the defensive side of the ball. They have Darrell Reid and Kenny Peterson projected as starting DEs right now...they ahve a combined 12 years of experience in the NFL and a whopping 14 sacks between the 2 of them...so they average or combine for about 1 sack a season between the two of them. You do the math.

19. Tampa Bay Buccaneers:

Beanie Wells, HB, Ohio State

With Gruden gone, Bucs become power-oriented on offense

They signed Ward away from the Giants and they actually spent some money on him so I don't think they go RB here. They need help along the DL and unfotunately this is not a good draft for much of that. Hood from Missouri would be a better choice.

20. Detroit Lions:

Ziggy Hood, DT, Missouri

Detroit's two starting DTs gone from a year ago

If he is on the board, makes a lot of sense.

21. Philadelphia Eagles:

Brandon Pettigrew, TE, Oklahoma State

Eagles lost TE L.J. Smith in free agency

This writer likes to plug in picks based on teams letting go of players, never works out that way. Philly has about a 2-3 year window to make another run with McNabb and I think they would be better served to possibly trade this pick for a more instant upgrade...GO GET CHAD JOHNSON!!!

22. Minnesota Vikings:

Malcolm Jenkins, CB, Ohio State

Vikings need a physical presence in 18th-ranked pass defense

I like this pick a lot but I think he might go higher as their is not a lot of impact DBs...also think teams might trade up to grab him. Miami needs another CB big time.

23. New England Patriots:

Clay Matthews, OLB, USC

Bill Belichick also coached Clay's dad at Cleveland

Makes sense to me.

24. Atlanta Falcons:

Brian Cushing, OLB, USC

The Falcons lost their two starting OLBs in free agency

Solid

25. Miami Dolphins:

James Laurinaitis, MLB, Ohio State

Give him a month and Laurinaitis will be running Miami D

It's interesting as so many people by now must know that Parcells flew in to see no less than about 4-5 WRs in the past several weeks. I hope he doesn't take a WR that will take a long time to develop, but they did resign Channing Crowder so I don't see them taking a MLB, but they certainly could upgrade from Crowder and Akin Ayodele who were both solid but sometimes you need more. Miami has to replace Jason Ferguson, and I hope they trade up in the 1st so they can grab either Hood or Jerry at DT, that is where they need to get better IMO.

26. Baltimore Ravens:

Andre Smith, OT, Alabama

Another gift for the Ravens – great player, bad workout

If he falls this far, I would be surprised. Too many dumb owenrs and organizations will take a big chance on this kid. The game films are impressive even if he has shown some serious maturity issues...but maybe it was all a ploy so he could go to a better team and not end up on one of the 5 worst franchises in the NFL. Optimistic thinking on my part, I know.

27. Indianapolis Colts:

Knowshown Moreno, HB, Georgia

Joseph Addai can't stay healthy, so help is on the way

Don't think Caldwell will go this way on draft day. Harrison is gone, look for some more help with the WRs.

28. Philadelphia Eagles:

LeSean McCoy, HB, Pittsburgh

McCoy is a clone of Brian Westbrook

They will not take another RB, and certainly not in the 1st round.

29. New York Giants:

Michael Oher, OT, Mississippi

Gives Giants the luxury of moving Dave Diehl back to G

Whoever they pick, I'm sure they will do really well on this team.

30. Tennessee Titans:

Kenny Britt, WR, Rutgers

Deep speed eases pressure on Pro Bowl RB Chris Johnson

This team doesn't throw it enough to really warrant a 1st round WR. They sigend Nate Washington, drafted Lavelle Hawkins form a year ago, still have Justin Gage, not to mention that Chris Johnson, Bo Scaife, and others eat up a lot of dump offs...this is not a vertical team. Kerry Collins under center makes you a nonvertical team.

31. Arizona Cardinals:

Donald Brown, HB, Connecticut

NFL's worst rushing attack gets a boost

This would be a reach IMO.

32. Pittsburgh Steelers:

Alex Mack, C, California

Steelers need to re-establish identity as running team

They need OL help, this makes a lot of sense.

I feel better

 

[kurtrudder]

Hard to argue if he's saying this mock is worthless lol. That said, if it's based on rankings only then I'd move OT's up and WR's down.

I was thinking this myself. He has like 6 WR's going in the 1st. I just don't see that happening....

It's about context people!!

The first mock is based on my draft board of the top 32 players

Therefore this means he rates 6 WR's and 3 QB's, 3 RB's etc in his top 32 players....that's all.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I would be so disgusted and pissed if the Bills passed on Orakpo and took Maybin. Maybin SCREAMS bust to me. Orakpo on the other hand is one of the most athletic DE's to come out since Mario Williams and is going to be a monster in the NFL.No way Orakpo lasts to the Bills pick anyways. I usually like his mocks, but this one doesn't make sense in a lot of ways. It seems like he's going out of his way this year to be different.

There used to be a time that I got this passionate about the exact guy my team drafted. I have learned since that I really have no idea who will bust, and whom will be an all pro. These GMs not only know the scheme they are running perfectly, their opinions are often times supported/shaped by the coaching staffs and scouting staffs of their respective teams. Not only do they watch all the available game film about each pertinent prospect, but so do their scouting staffs. They also get to see some of these players play live. Then they get to meet them in person at the combine, pro days, and potentially a visit to the team facility. He'll also get the opinions of the prospects' collegiate coaching staff as well. We now know teams hire staff to follow the prospects' facebook/myspace pages and private detectives to search for issues. We as fans get a small sampling of the info available to the GMs. I mean this as no offense to you AP. You obviously prefer Orapko to Maybin. You could very well be right on your call. You have to acknowledge though, that the GM that drafts Maybin is doing so with a far greater understanding of what he's getting than any of us will.

I didn't particularly care for MPs post either, but you are basically saying that because we don't sit in that front office that we have zero idea who is good and who isn't on draft day. And as far as schemes or systems in the NFL, can you explain the systems that are being used in Oakland, Detroit, Cinci, places like that because I have a tough time following those guys. In fact we do know that teams like Cinci no matter what the salary cap is, are always going to not spend the money as do teams like Arizona despite making the Super Bowl...those owners are only interested in turning a profit. They don't have the same intelligence or zest to win like a Jerry Jones, Bob Kraft, and yes Mr Rooney from Pitt who despite sometimes having to shave the payroll down doesn't let that impact having one of the best drafting teams assembled year in and year out. I found your post very insulting yet I know you wrote it with no malice so please don't take any offense to mine.

 

[Donnybrook]

Just to compare you can look at this link for Gosselin's 2008 first mock

 

[hacman]

I would be so disgusted and pissed if the Bills passed on Orakpo and took Maybin. Maybin SCREAMS bust to me. Orakpo on the other hand is one of the most athletic DE's to come out since Mario Williams and is going to be a monster in the NFL.No way Orakpo lasts to the Bills pick anyways. I usually like his mocks, but this one doesn't make sense in a lot of ways. It seems like he's going out of his way this year to be different.

There used to be a time that I got this passionate about the exact guy my team drafted. I have learned since that I really have no idea who will bust, and whom will be an all pro. These GMs not only know the scheme they are running perfectly, their opinions are often times supported/shaped by the coaching staffs and scouting staffs of their respective teams. Not only do they watch all the available game film about each pertinent prospect, but so do their scouting staffs. They also get to see some of these players play live. Then they get to meet them in person at the combine, pro days, and potentially a visit to the team facility. He'll also get the opinions of the prospects' collegiate coaching staff as well. We now know teams hire staff to follow the prospects' facebook/myspace pages and private detectives to search for issues. We as fans get a small sampling of the info available to the GMs. I mean this as no offense to you AP. You obviously prefer Orapko to Maybin. You could very well be right on your call. You have to acknowledge though, that the GM that drafts Maybin is doing so with a far greater understanding of what he's getting than any of us will.

I didn't particularly care for MPs post either, but you are basically saying that because we don't sit in that front office that we have zero idea who is good and who isn't on draft day. And as far as schemes or systems in the NFL, can you explain the systems that are being used in Oakland, Detroit, Cinci, places like that because I have a tough time following those guys. In fact we do know that teams like Cinci no matter what the salary cap is, are always going to not spend the money as do teams like Arizona despite making the Super Bowl...those owners are only interested in turning a profit. They don't have the same intelligence or zest to win like a Jerry Jones, Bob Kraft, and yes Mr Rooney from Pitt who despite sometimes having to shave the payroll down doesn't let that impact having one of the best drafting teams assembled year in and year out. I found your post very insulting yet I know you wrote it with no malice so please don't take any offense to mine.

There's nothing to get insulted by his post. You can find his post insulting, but ask that he take no offense to yours?

 

[massraider]

Just to compare you can look at this link for Gosselin's 2008 first mock

Geez, you think some people would have remembered when they were told last year that this mock means nothing.

 

[Yenrub]

29. New York Giants:Michael Oher, OT, Mississippi

I doubt he makes it that far but I like this pick for the G-Men

 

[Sebowski]

Just to compare you can look at this link for Gosselin's 2008 first mock

Geez, you think some people would have remembered when they were told last year that this mock means nothing.

I don't know. He nailed 5 picks, and was a spot or two off on a few others. That is pretty good if you look at other mocks' success rate.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I would be so disgusted and pissed if the Bills passed on Orakpo and took Maybin. Maybin SCREAMS bust to me. Orakpo on the other hand is one of the most athletic DE's to come out since Mario Williams and is going to be a monster in the NFL.No way Orakpo lasts to the Bills pick anyways. I usually like his mocks, but this one doesn't make sense in a lot of ways. It seems like he's going out of his way this year to be different.

There used to be a time that I got this passionate about the exact guy my team drafted. I have learned since that I really have no idea who will bust, and whom will be an all pro. These GMs not only know the scheme they are running perfectly, their opinions are often times supported/shaped by the coaching staffs and scouting staffs of their respective teams. Not only do they watch all the available game film about each pertinent prospect, but so do their scouting staffs. They also get to see some of these players play live. Then they get to meet them in person at the combine, pro days, and potentially a visit to the team facility. He'll also get the opinions of the prospects' collegiate coaching staff as well. We now know teams hire staff to follow the prospects' facebook/myspace pages and private detectives to search for issues. We as fans get a small sampling of the info available to the GMs. I mean this as no offense to you AP. You obviously prefer Orapko to Maybin. You could very well be right on your call. You have to acknowledge though, that the GM that drafts Maybin is doing so with a far greater understanding of what he's getting than any of us will.

I didn't particularly care for MPs post either, but you are basically saying that because we don't sit in that front office that we have zero idea who is good and who isn't on draft day. And as far as schemes or systems in the NFL, can you explain the systems that are being used in Oakland, Detroit, Cinci, places like that because I have a tough time following those guys. In fact we do know that teams like Cinci no matter what the salary cap is, are always going to not spend the money as do teams like Arizona despite making the Super Bowl...those owners are only interested in turning a profit. They don't have the same intelligence or zest to win like a Jerry Jones, Bob Kraft, and yes Mr Rooney from Pitt who despite sometimes having to shave the payroll down doesn't let that impact having one of the best drafting teams assembled year in and year out. I found your post very insulting yet I know you wrote it with no malice so please don't take any offense to mine.

There's nothing to get insulted by his post. You can find his post insulting, but ask that he take no offense to yours?

Seriously? I wrote in plain English that while I find the post rather insulting to a lot of folks in here that I also understand that it was written with no malice meaning he meant well. What didn't you get? I didn't write anything like "You no good rotten SOB"...I think it was pretty casual.

 

[hacman]

I would be so disgusted and pissed if the Bills passed on Orakpo and took Maybin. Maybin SCREAMS bust to me. Orakpo on the other hand is one of the most athletic DE's to come out since Mario Williams and is going to be a monster in the NFL.No way Orakpo lasts to the Bills pick anyways. I usually like his mocks, but this one doesn't make sense in a lot of ways. It seems like he's going out of his way this year to be different.

There used to be a time that I got this passionate about the exact guy my team drafted. I have learned since that I really have no idea who will bust, and whom will be an all pro. These GMs not only know the scheme they are running perfectly, their opinions are often times supported/shaped by the coaching staffs and scouting staffs of their respective teams. Not only do they watch all the available game film about each pertinent prospect, but so do their scouting staffs. They also get to see some of these players play live. Then they get to meet them in person at the combine, pro days, and potentially a visit to the team facility. He'll also get the opinions of the prospects' collegiate coaching staff as well. We now know teams hire staff to follow the prospects' facebook/myspace pages and private detectives to search for issues. We as fans get a small sampling of the info available to the GMs. I mean this as no offense to you AP. You obviously prefer Orapko to Maybin. You could very well be right on your call. You have to acknowledge though, that the GM that drafts Maybin is doing so with a far greater understanding of what he's getting than any of us will.

I didn't particularly care for MPs post either, but you are basically saying that because we don't sit in that front office that we have zero idea who is good and who isn't on draft day. And as far as schemes or systems in the NFL, can you explain the systems that are being used in Oakland, Detroit, Cinci, places like that because I have a tough time following those guys. In fact we do know that teams like Cinci no matter what the salary cap is, are always going to not spend the money as do teams like Arizona despite making the Super Bowl...those owners are only interested in turning a profit. They don't have the same intelligence or zest to win like a Jerry Jones, Bob Kraft, and yes Mr Rooney from Pitt who despite sometimes having to shave the payroll down doesn't let that impact having one of the best drafting teams assembled year in and year out. I found your post very insulting yet I know you wrote it with no malice so please don't take any offense to mine.

There's nothing to get insulted by his post. You can find his post insulting, but ask that he take no offense to yours?

Seriously? I wrote in plain English that while I find the post rather insulting to a lot of folks in here that I also understand that it was written with no malice meaning he meant well. What didn't you get? I didn't write anything like "You no good rotten SOB"...I think it was pretty casual.

I'm not going to derail this thread, so this will be my last post in here...Your whole "No offense, but your post is very insulting" = Despite your use of plain English, this point seemed to escape you. That's why I felt compelled to call it out.

 

[Kirby]

6. Cincinnati Bengals:

Jeremy Maclin, WR, Missouri

Bengals need WR/KR to replace T.J. Houshmandzadeh

Cinci spent picks on WRs in the last couple of years. They still have Johnson, Henry, Coles...why a WR here? makes no sense to me.

Cincinnati has 5 WRs that are making the roster. Johnson, Henry, Coles, Caldwell, and Simpson. They also have Chatman and two other rookies that were on the practice squad last year. I don't think Eugene Monroe slips past this spot.