Rick Gosselin's Top 100 (1 Viewer)

[BigSteelThrill]

Rank. Player. Pos. School.

1. Glenn Dorsey DT LSU

2. Darren McFadden HB Arkansas

3. Chris Long DE Virginia

4. Jake Long OT Michigan

5. Sedrick Ellis DT Southern California

6. Matt Ryan QB Boston College

7. Keith Rivers LB Southern California

8. Vernon Gholston DE Ohio State

9. Ryan Clady OT Boise State

10. Rashard Mendenhall HB Illinois

11. Leodis McKelvin CB Troy

12. Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie CB Tennessee State

13. Derrick Harvey DE Florida

14. Devin Thomas WR Michigan State

15. Mike Jenkins CB South Florida

16. Jeff Otah OT Pittsburgh

17. Jonathan Stewart HB Oregon

18. Branden Albert OL Virginia

19. Jerod Mayo LB Tennessee

20. Chris Williams OT Vanderbilt

21. Felix Jones HB Arkansas

22. Aqib Talib CB Kansas

23. James Hardy WR Indiana

24. Kentwan Balmer DT North Carolina

25. Chad Henne QB Michigan

26. Gosder Cherilus OT Boston College

27. DeSean Jackson WR California

28. Phillip Merling DE Clemson

29. Brian Brohm QB Louisville

30. Quentin Groves DE Auburn

31. Dustin Keller TE Purdue

32. Curtis Lofton LB Oklahoma

33. Kenny Phillips S Miami

34. Malcolm Kelly WR Oklahoma

35. Tyrell Johnson S Arkansas State

36. Jamaal Charles HB Texas

37. Joe Flacco QB Delaware

38. Brandon Flowers CB Virginia Tech

39. Limas Sweed WR Texas

40. Fred Davis TE Southern California

41. Chris Johnson HB East Carolina

42. Lawrence Jackson DE Southern California

43. Donnie Avery WR Houston

44. Kevin Smith HB Central Florida

45. Antoine Cason CB Arizona

46. Martellus Bennett TE Texas A&M

47. Dan Connor LB Penn State

48. Jordy Nelson WR Kansas State

49. Anthony Collins OT Kansas

50. Tracy Porter CB Indiana

51. Sam Baker OL Southern California

52. Justin King CB Penn State

53. Marcus Harrison DT Arkansas

54. Chilo Rachal G Southern California

55. DaJuan Morgan S North Carolina State

56. Duane Brown OL Virginia Tech

57. John Carlson TE Notre Dame

58. Eddie Royal WR Virginia Tech

59. Calais Campbell DE Miami

60. Oneil Cousins OL UTEP

61. Bryan Kehl OLB BYU

62. Brad Cottam TE Tennessee

63. Mike Pollak C Arizona State

64. Andre Caldwell WR Florida

65. Patrick Lee CB Auburn

66. Jeremy Thompson DE Wake Forest

67. Jason Jones DL Eastern Michigan

68. Charles Godfrey CB Iowa

69. Matt Forté HB Tulane

70. Earl Bennett WR Vanderbilt

71. Trevor Laws DT Notre Dame

72. Chris Ellis DE Virginia Tech

73. Tavares Gooden MLB Miami

74. Ray Rice HB Rutgers

75. Jordon Dizon OLB Colorado

76. Chevis Jackson CB LSU

77. Early Doucet WR LSU

78. Reggie Smith S Oklahoma

79. Cliff Avril DE Purdue

80. Terrell Thomas CB Southern California

81. Craig Stevens TE California

82. Jerome Simpson WR Coastal Carolina

83. Orlando Scandrick CB Boise State

84. Pat Sims DT Auburn

85. John David Booty QB Southern California

86. Andre Fluellen DT Florida State

87. John Greco OL Toledo

88. Antwaun Molden CB Eastern Kentucky

89. Jeremy Zuttah OL Rutgers

90. Joseph Bryant DT Texas A&M

91. Tyvon Branch S Connecticut

92. Keenan Burton WR Kentucky

93. Jacob Hester FB LSU

94. Tashard Choice HB Georgia Tech

95. Dre Moore DT Maryland

96. Terrence Wheatley CB Colorado

97. Chaun Washington HB Southern California

98. Kendall Langford DE Hampton

99. Andre Woodson QB Kentucky

100. Xavier Adibi OLB Virginia Tech

 

[3C's]

6. Matt Ryan QB Boston College

In before JAA

 

[Ridgelake]

The best indication of how the players are graded that we'll get.

 

[Chaos Commish]

2. Darren McFadden HB Arkansas10. Rashard Mendenhall HB Illinois17. Jonathan Stewart HB Oregon21. Felix Jones HB Arkansa36. Jamaal Charles HB Texas41. Chris Johnson HB East Carolina44. Kevin Smith HB Central Florida74. Ray Rice HB Rutgers93. Jacob Hester FB LSU94. Tashard Choice HB Georgia Tech97. Chaun Washington HB Southern California

Interesting look at the backs. No Forte? I'm going to guess he missed Forte. I'm pretty sure he's gone in 100 picks and grades higher than Kevin Smith. Just guessing.

 

[massraider]

2. Darren McFadden HB Arkansas10. Rashard Mendenhall HB Illinois17. Jonathan Stewart HB Oregon21. Felix Jones HB Arkansa36. Jamaal Charles HB Texas41. Chris Johnson HB East Carolina44. Kevin Smith HB Central Florida74. Ray Rice HB Rutgers93. Jacob Hester FB LSU94. Tashard Choice HB Georgia Tech97. Chaun Washington HB Southern California

Interesting look at the backs. No Forte? I'm going to guess he missed Forte. I'm pretty sure he's gone in 100 picks and grades higher than Kevin Smith. Just guessing.

He has also had Charles higher than most. Forte I could see slipping. I like him, a lot, but I could see teams seeing his ceiling as limited. Just a guess.

 

[Chaos Commish]

Rank. Player. Pos. School.14. Devin Thomas WR Michigan State23. James Hardy WR Indiana34. Malcolm Kelly WR Oklahoma39. Limas Sweed WR Texas43. Donnie Avery WR Houston48. Jordy Nelson WR Kansas State58. Eddie Royal WR Virginia Tech64. Andre Caldwell WR Florida70. Earl Bennett WR Vanderbilt77. Early Doucet WR LSU82. Jerome Simpson WR Coastal Carolina92. Keenan Burton WR Kentucky

Avery and Nelson before Bennett and Doucet. I wouldn't be surprised at all. The WRs are the draft's biggest mystery to me. Manningham is completely missing? Goose has 12 in the top 100. I currently have Manningham at 13, but it feels too low.

 

[EBF]

Forte is #69.

 

[massraider]

Forte is #69.

Between Smith and Rice? Seems about right. I think Rice is a bit overrated by the public right now.

 

[EBF]

Forte is #69.

Between Smith and Rice? Seems about right. I think Rice is a bit overrated by the public right now.

Rice is good, but he'll fall because of his size. There aren't many 200 pound starters in the NFL.

 

[coolnerd]

Forte is #69.

Between Smith and Rice? Seems about right. I think Rice is a bit overrated by the public right now.

Rice is good, but he'll fall because of his size. There aren't many 200 pound starters in the NFL.

I can't remember where I saw it, but I recall reading/hearing that Rice played between 205-210 (not whatever was listed by rutgers) and lost weight to improve his forty time.

 

[yinzer]

Rank. Player. Pos. School.14. Devin Thomas WR Michigan State23. James Hardy WR Indiana34. Malcolm Kelly WR Oklahoma39. Limas Sweed WR Texas43. Donnie Avery WR Houston48. Jordy Nelson WR Kansas State58. Eddie Royal WR Virginia Tech64. Andre Caldwell WR Florida70. Earl Bennett WR Vanderbilt77. Early Doucet WR LSU82. Jerome Simpson WR Coastal Carolina92. Keenan Burton WR Kentucky

Avery and Nelson before Bennett and Doucet. I wouldn't be surprised at all. The WRs are the draft's biggest mystery to me. Manningham is completely missing? Goose has 12 in the top 100. I currently have Manningham at 13, but it feels too low.

Maybe you can answer this for me Commish or BigSteelThrill, but makes makes guys like Royal, Simpson, and Burton better than someone Im very high on, DJ Hall. Everyone seems to have him ranked in the low-mid 20's and I just dont know why. He had hammy problems during the combine, so that 4.53 is just not true to his speed, or his game speed. Id say healthy he's low 4.4's maybe slightly lower. He's taller than all of them and has similar body size. He's proven to be a consistently good performer in the SEC and had his best years after Croyle left and UA didnt have all that good of a QB. He runs good routes, has a knack for getting open, great hands and ball skills, is a deep threat, and can jump. Ive read his knocks are strength, blocking, and work ethic, but all those other guys have similar weaknesses (outside of work ethic), and then some. Hall just seems very polished and like he could be a very good WR for somebody but most have him in the 7th or undraftedWhat gives?!...whats your thoughts on seeing this guy in black and gold BST?

 

[BigSteelThrill]

The knocks against Hall seem to be he his 1) soft. Just not very strong or physical and that may hinder him getting open off the line or getting off the line at all.

And (which feeds into even more so) 2) that he doesn't have the initial burst. Which helps to get open once out of the cut. And he doesnt play "low" either which can help in this regard, he takes hits and isnt the 'take-a-hit-and-bounce' type. Missing the shuttle and the three cone drill really leaves a lot to question. And if you hadn't scouted him well enough, this could be a legit question.

If what you are saying is true about all his good qualities, (especially that he can physically get open) it would appear a team or two would have also noticed and understood without any practice/combines to become more familiar with. A "steal" if you will.

But Im not Kiper.

 

[coolnerd]

Rick's notes from the actual link explains why two of those guys are interesting to the pros. does not help with why they don't like Hall though.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dw...0.96c05034.html

58. Eddie Royal, KR, Virginia Tech

Devin Hester has driven up the draft stock of the elite kick returners. Royal returned 59 career kickoffs for an average of 23.3 yards and 111 career punts and average of 11.6 yards with three TDs: 82 yards against Clemson and 60 against William and Mary, both in 2007, plus a 58-yarder against Duke in 2006. A four-year starter at wide receiver, Royal caught 119 career passes, including an 80-yarder against Georgia Tech in 2004. He also posted a 53-yard run, a 55-yard kickoff return and threw a 53-yard TD pass. He's a big play waiting to happen, especially

Jerome Simpson, WR, Coastal Carolina

The draft isn't about college productivity. It's about measurables. Jerome Simpson of Coastal Carolina caught only 41 passes last season for 697 yards and 11 touchdowns – yet he's rated higher on this draft board than All-Big Ten wide receivers Mario Manningham and Dorien Bryant because of one freaky measurable. He has 11-inch hands, the biggest on this draft board. James Hardy is next with 10¼-inch hands. Big hands translate into reliable hands in the NFL scouting community. Simpson also has size (6-1½, 199 pounds), speed (4.42 seconds in the 40) and productivity, leaving Coastal as the school's all-time leading receiver. When NFL talent evaluators view Simpson, they see measurables that could give him a chance for greatness.

My personal feeling on Hall is that if you have average measurables, the one flaw you can't have is work ethic. This will go into a guy learning how to contribute on special teams and gaining strength.

 

[yinzer]

The knocks against Hall seem to be he his 1) soft. Just not very strong or physical and that may hinder him getting open off the line or getting off the line at all.And (which feeds into even more so) 2) that he doesn't have the initial burst. Which helps to get open once out of the cut. And he doesnt play "low" either which can help in this regard, he takes hits and isnt the 'take-a-hit-and-bounce' type. Missing the shuttle and the three cone drill really leaves a lot to question. And if you hadn't scouted him well enough, this could be a legit question. If what you are saying is true about all his good qualities, (especially that he can physically get open) it would appear a team or two would have also noticed and understood without any practice/combines to become more familiar with. A "steal" if you will.But Im not Kiper.

See, what you're saying is basically what Ive come to understand. Am I wrong though, but physicality, technique (low), and gaining strength seem like 3 of the easiest characteristics to teach, learn, or train. Not easy, but certainly easier than things such as route running, ball skills, and hands.And then going by nfldraftcountdown.com weaknesses:simpson - not explosive/lack burst/lack separation, needs to get stronger, and what ive already heard is he has poor route runningroyal - doesnt have ideal size/bulk, not good blocker, struggle to beat jamburton - doesnt get much separation, isnt overly explosive, needs to improve route running.Not that Im expecting an answer, but Im just wondering why these guys (and I picked those 3 bc they were in Gosselins top 12 WRs), but probably most of the other 8-10 wrs, seem to consistently be ranked ahead of Hall when they lack the same facets of the game and are less polished and more than likely havent displayed the abilities I noted for Hall above. Like I said, thats more of a question for a scout and such, but I just dont understand it. Now I have a friend graduating from Bama in the next couple weeks whose seen Hall his whole career, and he agrees that he thinks Hall could be a pretty good prospect and doesnt see why he's ranked so low.I see no reason why he couldn't be every bit as productive as fellow SEC products Bennet and Doucet

 

[EBF]

I was never impressed with what I saw of Hall. It's hard to quantify talent with numbers, but he just didn't look like an NFL receiver to me.

 

[Chaos Commish]

Forte is #69.

Ooops. I like Forte above Rice, but Rice above Smith.

 

[Chaos Commish]

I was never impressed with what I saw of Hall. It's hard to quantify talent with numbers, but he just didn't look like an NFL receiver to me.

Possible off field issues too.

 

[Chaos Commish]

Forte is #69.

Between Smith and Rice? Seems about right. I think Rice is a bit overrated by the public right now.

Rice is good, but he'll fall because of his size. There aren't many 200 pound starters in the NFL.

I can't remember where I saw it, but I recall reading/hearing that Rice played between 205-210 (not whatever was listed by rutgers) and lost weight to improve his forty time.

I read the same thing, but he was also embarrassed by his body fat measurement and took off 7 pounds of fat.

 

[Dolfan]

Rank. Player. Pos. School.

14. Devin Thomas WR Michigan State

23. James Hardy WR Indiana

34. Malcolm Kelly WR Oklahoma

39. Limas Sweed WR Texas

43. Donnie Avery WR Houston

48. Jordy Nelson WR Kansas State

58. Eddie Royal WR Virginia Tech

64. Andre Caldwell WR Florida

70. Earl Bennett WR Vanderbilt

77. Early Doucet WR LSU

82. Jerome Simpson WR Coastal Carolina

92. Keenan Burton WR Kentucky

Avery and Nelson before Bennett and Doucet. I wouldn't be surprised at all. The WRs are the draft's biggest mystery to me. Manningham is completely missing? Goose has 12 in the top 100. I currently have Manningham at 13, but it feels too low.

I was really surprised to see Manningham missing too I thought he'd go early 2nd...

Now it seems like he may fall all the way to the late 3rd/early 4th range?

Is that what you guys are thinking?

Is this just because of the weed issue, or is there more?

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Add me to the Hall is soft chorus - at the Senior Bowl he could not hold a candle to guys like Caldwell, Avery, Doucet - Hall could become something in a few years if he toughens up and develops a more solid build, but he's a project, not a guy who is well on his way to being a solid NFL WR like those in the top 10-12 at WR.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Sure wish I'd have had this list when I did my final mock yesterday.

These seem low to me:

47. Dan Connor LB Penn State

70. Earl Bennett WR Vanderbilt

78. Reggie Smith S Oklahoma

100. Xavier Adibi OLB Virginia Tech

 

[BusterTBronco]

Another great year for the Gosselin Top 100 Board.

Check it out.

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