Rick Perry's ad focuses on gays and Christianity (1 Viewer)

[General Malaise]

Why do people say Perry is gay?

I have no idea, perhaps they are confusing him with Marcus Bachmann.

Seems like many outspoken anti-gay men turn out to be gay themselves. Larry Craig? Ted Haggard? Rick Perry?There are gay rumors floating around about him too. Also, if you type in 'is rick perry' into Google, 'gay' is the first thing that pops up.

I wouldn't be surprised at all to learn he's a closeted homosexual. And that's fine, but don't be so outspoken against your own kind. That sucks.

Sure, he could fall into that group that are closeted yet outspoken but I'm just wondering where the rumors come from. Is it just because of mannerisms or have there been actual accusations like the guy who claimed to have sex with Obama.

I think it's nothing more than rumors. But man, is he really carrying on like a person with something to hide. " NOT ONLY AM I NOT GAY, BUT I WILL PROVE IT BY WAGING A WAR ON GAY !"

Come on, Rick...gay people are not our biggest problem and everybody seems to know it but Rick. I think he doth protest too much.

Not your biggest problem? So you're saying theyre a problem...

I'd say a fabulous problem.

 

[bakes]

Methinks he doth protest too much.

His vitriol sounds a lot like that of my sister's ex husband. Gay is bad, gay is bad, uses epithets about gay people openly, tries to teach his kids that gay is bad, then my sister caught him in bed with Mike.

 

[SacramentoBob]

Methinks he doth protest too much.

His vitriol sounds a lot like that of my sister's ex husband. Gay is bad, gay is bad, uses epithets about gay people openly, tries to teach his kids that gay is bad, then my sister caught him in bed with Mike.

Probably just doing arm curls or something.

 

[General Malaise]

Methinks he doth protest too much.

His vitriol sounds a lot like that of my sister's ex husband. Gay is bad, gay is bad, uses epithets about gay people openly, tries to teach his kids that gay is bad, then my sister caught him in bed with Mike.

Probably just doing arm curls or something.

Deep knee bends and squat thrusts, imo.

 

[bueno]

If he had kept the point to public religious celebrations, he would have been better off. Lots of social conservatives think that we should be able to publicly celebrate a federal holiday.

 

[Snickers]

God Bless our homo soldiers, Perry is way off here

 

[bigbottom]

If he had kept the point to public religious celebrations, he would have been better off. Lots of social conservatives think that we should be able to publicly celebrate a federal holiday.

Kids aren't in school on Christmas.

 

[bueno]

If he had kept the point to public religious celebrations, he would have been better off. Lots of social conservatives think that we should be able to publicly celebrate a federal holiday.

Kids aren't in school on Christmas.

So what? They can only celebrate the season that one day in your world?

 

[bigbottom]

If he had kept the point to public religious celebrations, he would have been better off. Lots of social conservatives think that we should be able to publicly celebrate a federal holiday.

Kids aren't in school on Christmas.

So what? They can only celebrate the season that one day in your world?

The "season" is not a federal holiday.

 

[bueno]

If he had kept the point to public religious celebrations, he would have been better off. Lots of social conservatives think that we should be able to publicly celebrate a federal holiday.

Kids aren't in school on Christmas.

So what? They can only celebrate the season that one day in your world?

The "season" is not a federal holiday.

What's your point? That Christmas can only be recognized one day a year?

 

[bigbottom]

If he had kept the point to public religious celebrations, he would have been better off. Lots of social conservatives think that we should be able to publicly celebrate a federal holiday.

Kids aren't in school on Christmas.

So what? They can only celebrate the season that one day in your world?

The "season" is not a federal holiday.

What's your point? That Christmas can only be recognized one day a year?

You're the one that referenced the "federal holiday". The federal holiday is celebrated on the federal holiday. Public schools accommodate the ability of children to celebrate the federal Christmas holiday by not requiring them to be at school. So I guess my point is that your reference to the federal holiday misses the mark.

 

[bueno]

If he had kept the point to public religious celebrations, he would have been better off. Lots of social conservatives think that we should be able to publicly celebrate a federal holiday.

Kids aren't in school on Christmas.

So what? They can only celebrate the season that one day in your world?

The "season" is not a federal holiday.

What's your point? That Christmas can only be recognized one day a year?

You're the one that referenced the "federal holiday". The federal holiday is celebrated on the federal holiday. Public schools accommodate the ability of children to celebrate the federal Christmas holiday by not requiring them to be at school. So I guess my point is that your reference to the federal holiday misses the mark.

Thanksgiving is a federal holiday that is accommodated by schools during the time leading up to the holiday. What makes Christmas different?

 

[bigbottom]

If he had kept the point to public religious celebrations, he would have been better off. Lots of social conservatives think that we should be able to publicly celebrate a federal holiday.

Kids aren't in school on Christmas.

So what? They can only celebrate the season that one day in your world?

The "season" is not a federal holiday.

What's your point? That Christmas can only be recognized one day a year?

You're the one that referenced the "federal holiday". The federal holiday is celebrated on the federal holiday. Public schools accommodate the ability of children to celebrate the federal Christmas holiday by not requiring them to be at school. So I guess my point is that your reference to the federal holiday misses the mark.

Thanksgiving is a federal holiday that is accommodated by schools during the time leading up to the holiday. What makes Christmas different?

They're not different. Schools don't interfere with the celebration of either federal holiday because school is not in session on either federal holiday and children are free to celebrate the federal holiday as they wish. If people want to celebrate the Christmas season in the days leading up to Christmas, that has nothing to do with a federal holiday.

 

[bueno]

If he had kept the point to public religious celebrations, he would have been better off. Lots of social conservatives think that we should be able to publicly celebrate a federal holiday.

Kids aren't in school on Christmas.

So what? They can only celebrate the season that one day in your world?

The "season" is not a federal holiday.

What's your point? That Christmas can only be recognized one day a year?

You're the one that referenced the "federal holiday". The federal holiday is celebrated on the federal holiday. Public schools accommodate the ability of children to celebrate the federal Christmas holiday by not requiring them to be at school. So I guess my point is that your reference to the federal holiday misses the mark.

Thanksgiving is a federal holiday that is accommodated by schools during the time leading up to the holiday. What makes Christmas different?

They're not different. Schools don't interfere with the celebration of either federal holiday because school is not in session on either federal holiday and children are free to celebrate the federal holiday as they wish. If people want to celebrate the Christmas season in the days leading up to Christmas, that has nothing to do with a federal holiday.

I see your point, but my point was that kids are discouraged in some school districts from celebrating Christmas in school in the days leading up to the holiday, but somehow an equally religious celebration(Thanksgiving) gets a pass. Seems kind of capricious to me.

 

[bigbottom]

If he had kept the point to public religious celebrations, he would have been better off. Lots of social conservatives think that we should be able to publicly celebrate a federal holiday.

Kids aren't in school on Christmas.

So what? They can only celebrate the season that one day in your world?

The "season" is not a federal holiday.

What's your point? That Christmas can only be recognized one day a year?

You're the one that referenced the "federal holiday". The federal holiday is celebrated on the federal holiday. Public schools accommodate the ability of children to celebrate the federal Christmas holiday by not requiring them to be at school. So I guess my point is that your reference to the federal holiday misses the mark.

Thanksgiving is a federal holiday that is accommodated by schools during the time leading up to the holiday. What makes Christmas different?

They're not different. Schools don't interfere with the celebration of either federal holiday because school is not in session on either federal holiday and children are free to celebrate the federal holiday as they wish. If people want to celebrate the Christmas season in the days leading up to Christmas, that has nothing to do with a federal holiday.

I see your point, but my point was that kids are discouraged in some school districts from celebrating Christmas in school in the days leading up to the holiday, but somehow an equally religious celebration(Thanksgiving) gets a pass. Seems kind of capricious to me.

Understood. But if you look at it from a different perspective, it could be interpreted as kind of capricious that the government and public schools accommodate Christian holidays by never having school on those days, but do not offer the same accommodation (at least as a general matter) to other religious holidays. I guess it's a matter of perspective. But yeah, I think telling kids that they can't draw Christmas trees in kindergarten art class or sing Christmas carols in the winter talent show is going overboard.

 

[Mister CIA]

If he had kept the point to public religious celebrations, he would have been better off. Lots of social conservatives think that we should be able to publicly celebrate a federal holiday.

Kids aren't in school on Christmas.

Except for home-schooled children.

 

[Insomniac]

I see your point, but my point was that kids are discouraged in some school districts from celebrating Christmas in school in the days leading up to the holiday, but somehow an equally religious celebration(Thanksgiving) gets a pass. Seems kind of capricious to me.

What religion is celebrates Thanksgiving?

 

[tommyGunZ]

But what if you are gay, but believe that the conservative approach to economic issues is preferable?

Then you're uninformed. Anyone who believes the conservative approach to economic issues is preferable wasn't paying attention over the past decade.

 

[Godsbrother]

Methinks he doth protest too much.His vitriol sounds a lot like that of my sister's ex husband. Gay is bad, gay is bad, uses epithets about gay people openly, tries to teach his kids that gay is bad, then my sister caught him in bed with Mike.

This requires its own thread.

 

[bigbottom]

“As President, I’ll end Obama’s war on religion,” Mr. Perry also says in the ad.

What is this about Obama's war on religion? I thought he was a Muslim.

 

[Todd Andrews]

Rick Perry's new campaign image.

 

[Eephus]

Rick Perry's new campaign image.

That is one handsome man

 

[squistion]

Complaints by the Log Cabiners really move me very little. They are part of a party that regularly trots them out to scare people into voting for it. Keep voting GOP Log Cabin Republicans it's really worked out well for you so far.

I'm hearing this quite often these days. A few months back I was at a party where a gay lawyer, who is a liberal, asserted to me that any gay person who is a conservative must hate himself.But what if you are gay, but believe that the conservative approach to economic issues is preferable? Are you supposed to vote Democrat anyhow? That makes no sense to me.

That guy sounds naive and self-centered. There's more to life than the conversation over who you sleep with.

If the conservation was simply over who you sleep with, there would be more gay Republicans. However, anti-gay discrimination still exists in this country (in many states one can get fired from their job for being gay).The perception among gay people is that the roadblocks to any kind of equality in their lifetime has always seemed to come from the Republican party - for them a few extra dollars in their pocket is not as important as basic civil rights and voting Republican is viewed as voting against advancement of those rights (as currently evidenced by the stance towards gay rights by most of the Republican candidates running for President).

 

[Wrighteous Ray]

Rick Perry's new campaign image.

 

[Clifford]

Complaints by the Log Cabiners really move me very little. They are part of a party that regularly trots them out to scare people into voting for it. Keep voting GOP Log Cabin Republicans it's really worked out well for you so far.

I'm hearing this quite often these days. A few months back I was at a party where a gay lawyer, who is a liberal, asserted to me that any gay person who is a conservative must hate himself.But what if you are gay, but believe that the conservative approach to economic issues is preferable? Are you supposed to vote Democrat anyhow? That makes no sense to me.

Until Fiscal conservatives take back control of the GOP, yeah they are hating themselves

My wife works in a salon (well, she rents part out for her business) and the guy who owns it is gay and Republican. I don't get that.

 

[Clifford]

I see your point, but my point was that kids are discouraged in some school districts from celebrating Christmas in school in the days leading up to the holiday, but somehow an equally religious celebration(Thanksgiving) gets a pass. Seems kind of capricious to me.

What religion is celebrates Thanksgiving?

Tryptophanist

 

[Jobber]

But what if you are gay, but believe that the conservative approach to economic issues is preferable?

Then you're uninformed. Anyone who believes the conservative approach to economic issues is preferable wasn't paying attention over the past decade.

Except that wasn't fiscal conservatism.

 

[Phil Elliott]

For all of its flaws, "the process" does do a good job of weeding out guys like this

There has been a new flaw discovered in the process that seems to be allowing guys like to not be weeded out.

Including the one in the white house right now.

 

[squistion]

Rick Perry's new campaign image.

 

[Softballguy]

Rick Perry's new campaign image.

His coat looks familiar...

 

[CBusAlex]

“As President, I’ll end Obama’s war on religion,” Mr. Perry also says in the ad.

What is this about Obama's war on religion? I thought he was a Muslim.

That's a cult, not a religion.

 

[bigbottom]

Rick Perry's new campaign image.

His coat looks familiar...

 

[Clifford]

"Mexican people don't eat sugar, especially when it's a mix of lice and tiger DNA."

 

[Mr. Know-It-All]

I wish candidates would focus on important things, like our current administration. These clowns are going to go off on a tangent and do something crazy like wreck the economy or something.

 

[timschochet]

In someways, this might be a good thing. If Rick Perry fails in Iowa as badly as I expect him to, then his commercial might be seen as a "last gasp" for candidates who want to run on this issue. In the future, Republicans will mostly be mum on this issue, knowing that it's not going to get them anywhere. And that in turn should help pave the way for ultimate equal treatment under the law. I hope.

 

[Woogie Lee]

http://unpopularopinionrickperry.tumblr.com/

 

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

In someways, this might be a good thing. If Rick Perry fails in Iowa as badly as I expect him to, then his commercial might be seen as a "last gasp" for candidates who want to run on this issue. In the future, Republicans will mostly be mum on this issue, knowing that it's not going to get them anywhere. And that in turn should help pave the way for ultimate equal treatment under the law. I hope.

This is a great idea.But I like the Santorum method better with Google bombing.

 

[TobiasFunke]

If he had kept the point to public religious celebrations, he would have been better off. Lots of social conservatives think that we should be able to publicly celebrate a federal holiday.

Kids aren't in school on Christmas.

So what? They can only celebrate the season that one day in your world?

The "season" is not a federal holiday.

What's your point? That Christmas can only be recognized one day a year?

You're the one that referenced the "federal holiday". The federal holiday is celebrated on the federal holiday. Public schools accommodate the ability of children to celebrate the federal Christmas holiday by not requiring them to be at school. So I guess my point is that your reference to the federal holiday misses the mark.

Thanksgiving is a federal holiday that is accommodated by schools during the time leading up to the holiday. What makes Christmas different?

They're not different. Schools don't interfere with the celebration of either federal holiday because school is not in session on either federal holiday and children are free to celebrate the federal holiday as they wish. If people want to celebrate the Christmas season in the days leading up to Christmas, that has nothing to do with a federal holiday.

I see your point, but my point was that kids are discouraged in some school districts from celebrating Christmas in school in the days leading up to the holiday, but somehow an equally religious celebration(Thanksgiving) gets a pass. Seems kind of capricious to me.

First of all, saying that Thanksgiving is equally as religious as the holiday celebrating the birth of Jesus Christ is a crock of poop. I don't think I need to elaborate on that.Second, how exactly are kids being discouraged from celebrating Christmas in schools? I have no idea what you're referring to. Did I miss some big story where a school took a candy cane out of a kid's lunch and replaced it with an official non-denominational holiday peppermint stick or something?

 

[General Malaise]

I wish candidates would focus on important things, like our current administration. These clowns are going to go off on a tangent and do something crazy like wreck the economy or something.

Seems to me that the GOP is going back into the Rove playbook in an attempt to galvanize the masses. Topics like "the economy" don't quite stir up the voters the way "Gay {insert anything here}" has in the past. Think back to 2004 and GW's war against Gay Marriage. IMO, his rhetoric coupled with a smear campaign against Kerry was the difference. It got people to the polls. The GOP is desperate right now and Perry isn't smart enough on his own to come up with a Rovian type gameplan, so he's going back to the well. Likewise, Bachman and Santorum are following suit, hoping to invigorate a base that seems to need a push in the back to get motivated.What's interesting is how silent Newt has been on teh gays. Much as it pains me to say it, he 'gets it', while Perry, Bachman et al simply don't and never will. America has moved on. Time to turn the page.

 

[General Malaise]

If he had kept the point to public religious celebrations, he would have been better off. Lots of social conservatives think that we should be able to publicly celebrate a federal holiday.

Kids aren't in school on Christmas.

So what? They can only celebrate the season that one day in your world?

The "season" is not a federal holiday.

What's your point? That Christmas can only be recognized one day a year?

You're the one that referenced the "federal holiday". The federal holiday is celebrated on the federal holiday. Public schools accommodate the ability of children to celebrate the federal Christmas holiday by not requiring them to be at school. So I guess my point is that your reference to the federal holiday misses the mark.

Thanksgiving is a federal holiday that is accommodated by schools during the time leading up to the holiday. What makes Christmas different?

They're not different. Schools don't interfere with the celebration of either federal holiday because school is not in session on either federal holiday and children are free to celebrate the federal holiday as they wish. If people want to celebrate the Christmas season in the days leading up to Christmas, that has nothing to do with a federal holiday.

I see your point, but my point was that kids are discouraged in some school districts from celebrating Christmas in school in the days leading up to the holiday, but somehow an equally religious celebration(Thanksgiving) gets a pass. Seems kind of capricious to me.

First of all, saying that Thanksgiving is equally as religious as the holiday celebrating the birth of Jesus Christ is a crock of poop. I don't think I need to elaborate on that.Second, how exactly are kids being discouraged from celebrating Christmas in schools? I have no idea what you're referring to. Did I miss some big story where a school took a candy cane out of a kid's lunch and replaced it with an official non-denominational holiday peppermint stick or something?

IT'S A WAR ON CHRISTMAS!11!!!

 

[squistion]

In someways, this might be a good thing. If Rick Perry fails in Iowa as badly as I expect him to, then his commercial might be seen as a "last gasp" for candidates who want to run on this issue. In the future, Republicans will mostly be mum on this issue, knowing that it's not going to get them anywhere. And that in turn should help pave the way for ultimate equal treatment under the law. I hope.

It turns out Perry's own staff was divided on running this ad, with his top pollster being very vocal against it.

Rick Perry's Anti-Gay Iowa Ad Divides His Top Staff

WASHINGTON -- Texas Gov. Rick Perry's newest television ad criticizing the repeal of Don't Ask, Don't Tell was created over the objections of at least one top staff member, sources in the Perry campaign tell The Huffington Post.

The spot, which began airing in Iowa on Wednesday, features the governor questioning why soldiers can serve openly in the military while children "can't openly celebrate Christmas or pray in school." Coming a day after Perry criticized the Obama administration for using foreign aid to defend gay rights abroad, the ad was one more note in a fairly overt dog whistle aimed at the Hawkeye State's influential evangelical voting block.

But not everyone was comfortable with the script. When the ad was being crafted several weeks ago, Perry's top pollster, Tony Fabrizio, called it "nuts," according to an email sent from Fabrizio to the ad's main creator, longtime GOP operative Nelson Warfield. In a separate email to The Huffington Post, Warfield confirmed that the ad was made over Fabrizio's objections.

"Tony was against it from the get-go," Warfield wrote. "It was the source of some extended conversation in the campaign. To be very clear: That spot was mine from writing the poll question to test[ing] it to drafting the script to overseeing production."

That a presidential campaign would suffer from internal disagreements over a controversial ad or broader campaign strategy is far from shocking. High-stakes political operations are often rife with strategic disputes. But it is rare for those disputes to spill over into public view and even rarer (at least when it comes to Republican politics) for them to center on the issue of gay rights.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/08/rick-perry-anti-gay-iowa-ad-divides-top-staff_n_1136587.html

 

[TobiasFunke]

First of all, saying that Thanksgiving is equally as religious as the holiday celebrating the birth of Jesus Christ is a crock of poop. I don't think I need to elaborate on that.Second, how exactly are kids being discouraged from celebrating Christmas in schools? I have no idea what you're referring to. Did I miss some big story where a school took a candy cane out of a kid's lunch and replaced it with an official non-denominational holiday peppermint stick or something?

IT'S A WAR ON CHRISTMAS!11!!!

Hey, I don't dispute that us liberal Jews are teaming up with the atheists and the agnostics and the hippies to wage a full-scale war on anything and everything Christmas. I just don't understand how the schools are involved. I've been to every local War of Christmas strategy session/gay sex orgy this month, so I would know, and I don't remember seeing anyone from the school system there.

 

[bigbottom]

"Gay {insert anything here}"

Go on.

 

[bigbottom]

What's interesting is how silent Newt has been on teh gays. Much as it pains me to say it, he 'gets it', while Perry, Bachman et al simply don't and never will. America has moved on. Time to turn the page.

Newt's half-sister is lesbian and a gay rights activist.

 

[NCCommish]

What's interesting is how silent Newt has been on teh gays. Much as it pains me to say it, he 'gets it', while Perry, Bachman et al simply don't and never will. America has moved on. Time to turn the page.

Newt's half-sister is lesbian and a gay rights activist.

Who recently slammed Newts views on the subject and made it clear she was voting Obama.

 

[General Malaise]

First of all, saying that Thanksgiving is equally as religious as the holiday celebrating the birth of Jesus Christ is a crock of poop. I don't think I need to elaborate on that.Second, how exactly are kids being discouraged from celebrating Christmas in schools? I have no idea what you're referring to. Did I miss some big story where a school took a candy cane out of a kid's lunch and replaced it with an official non-denominational holiday peppermint stick or something?

IT'S A WAR ON CHRISTMAS!11!!!

Hey, I don't dispute that us liberal Jews are teaming up with the atheists and the agnostics and the hippies to wage a full-scale war on anything and everything Christmas. I just don't understand how the schools are involved. I've been to every local War of Christmas strategy session/gay sex orgy this month, so I would know, and I don't remember seeing anyone from the school system there.

As a parent who has kids in a public school, it's not difficult to see that a concerted effort has been made to remove the word "Christmas" from all school related activities, promotions and literature. While level headed liberal jews, pot smoking hippies, morally bankrupt atheists and agnostics can understand why the public schools couch their holiday related language in a non-religious manner, thin-skinned, narrow-minded, war-hungry, god-fearing, jesus-loving, Toby Keith-listening, SUV-driving, Obama-hating conservative believes this is a full scale war on Christmas. Public schools are only covering their butts from law suits. But to the Bueno Mix Rush Beck Hannities of the world, it's an all-out war. And Republicans...they love themselves some war, baby.

 

[General Malaise]

"Gay {insert anything here}"

Go on.

 

[Reg Lllama of Brixton]

"Gay {insert anything here}"

Go on.

OH COME ON

 

[TobiasFunke]

First of all, saying that Thanksgiving is equally as religious as the holiday celebrating the birth of Jesus Christ is a crock of poop. I don't think I need to elaborate on that.Second, how exactly are kids being discouraged from celebrating Christmas in schools? I have no idea what you're referring to. Did I miss some big story where a school took a candy cane out of a kid's lunch and replaced it with an official non-denominational holiday peppermint stick or something?

IT'S A WAR ON CHRISTMAS!11!!!

Hey, I don't dispute that us liberal Jews are teaming up with the atheists and the agnostics and the hippies to wage a full-scale war on anything and everything Christmas. I just don't understand how the schools are involved. I've been to every local War of Christmas strategy session/gay sex orgy this month, so I would know, and I don't remember seeing anyone from the school system there.

As a parent who has kids in a public school, it's not difficult to see that a concerted effort has been made to remove the word "Christmas" from all school related activities, promotions and literature. While level headed liberal jews, pot smoking hippies, morally bankrupt atheists and agnostics can understand why the public schools couch their holiday related language in a non-religious manner, thin-skinned, narrow-minded, war-hungry, god-fearing, jesus-loving, Toby Keith-listening, SUV-driving, Obama-hating conservative believes this is a full scale war on Christmas. Public schools are only covering their butts from law suits. But to the Bueno Mix Rush Beck Hannities of the world, it's an all-out war. And Republicans...they love themselves some war, baby.

I see. So the passive "we're not gonna celebrate or recognize Christmas because, you know, the First Amendment and whatnot" position of the schools is somehow being interpreted as an active "they're stopping our kids from celebrating Christmas and therefore waging war on Christmas!" position.I was under the impression that in order to prevent someone from doing something, you had to actually be preventing them from doing something. Silly me. I forgot that if you fail to support or join someone in doing something, you are also apparently preventing them from doing it.

 

[17seconds]

"I'm not ashamed to admit that I'm a Christian."

Can you think of anything you could possibly be less ashamed to admit to being in America?

How about a presidential candidate admitting they are a Jew or Muslim. That would take some guts.