Rickie Weeks or Robinson Cano (1 Viewer)

[_4_]

Consider, age, minor league and college history, athleticism, speed, arm, hitting, hitting for power, speed on the basepaths, leadership and/or anything else you would like to throw into the mix.

I am strongly in favor of Weeks - his historical BA, Power, Speed and leadership all make him a more valuable player in my estimation. If you are in the Cano camp, I would love to hear your rationale (and don't give me BA, their OBP to date is roughly identical).

2007 - 29 games for Weeks, 28 for Cano (bolded/GREEN indicates better performance)

WEEKS

AB- 115

OBP - .351

HR - 5

SLG - .487

SB - 7

CS - 0

Fielding - .993

Runs - 26

RBI - 13

SO- 22

GiDP - 1

Hits - 29

Doubles - 6

Triples - 3

Team Wins - 21

CANO

AB - 108

OBP - .319

HR - 1

SLG - .352

SB - 1

CS - 2

Fielding - .982

Runs - 14

RBI - 13

SO - 24

GiDP - 3

Hits - 29

Doubles - 6

Triples - 0

Team Wins - 14

I will be happy to update as the year goes on, and will tip my hat if Cano outperforms Weeks in 2007.

 

[shadyridr]

Weeks

 

[_4_]

Weeks

 

[Fear & Loathing]

I like Cano, but it didn't take long to choose Weeks.

 

[ThisGuy]

What does this have to do with the hypothetical trade of Sheets for Hughes Cano and Cabrera?!?

 

[NY/NJMFDIVER]

Well I'm obviously in the Cano camp, and I would like to hear explanations for why the Weeks love. Cano versus Weeks, it's not like Weeks has had a cup of coffee, he's had parts of a couple of years, and he's obviously not where he's going to be I guess. I don't see how you disregard Cano's average, since he's been cranking 35 doubles a year. He's a line drive hitter with gap power and as he matures and refines, I think that could be imposing in Yankee Stadium. He lacks speed but his defense is adequate, and not that second base arm matters all that much, I can't see Weeks having much more of a rifle than Cano, who's future is being pegged at 3b if A-Rod leaves.

I mean, if we are talking historical background, I don't care if Rickie Weeks won three triple crowns in the minors, if we are talking major league history, Cano has it over him. Weeks has some catching up to do to be as good as Cano now, and we are suppossing his progression outpaces Cano staying status quo, which I don't think he will.

Intangible wise, Cano was instrumental in helping Cabrera get acclimated and comfortable with the Yanks last year.

I'm willing to hear arguments for Weeks, but I'd love to see them articulated, because on paper, Cano has it over him.

 

[_4_]

I could see him as a cross between Durham and Sandberg....Durham with more power basically. I really like Weeks and he has a chance to be a remarkable player. All he needs to do is settle down his defense. (done) John Sickles

The player today that reminds me most of Jackie Robinson is Rickie Weeks - Dusty Baker, April 2007

 

[NY/NJMFDIVER]

I could see him as a cross between Durham and Sandberg....Durham with more power basically. I really like Weeks and he has a chance to be a remarkable player. All he needs to do is settle down his defense. (done) John Sickles

The player today that reminds me most of Jackie Robinson is Rickie Weeks - Dusty Baker, April 2007

2007 - 21 games for Weeks, 19 for Cano (bolded indicates better performance)WEEKS

AB- 83

OBP - .347

HR - 5

SLG - .542

SB - 5

CS - 0

Fielding - .989

Runs - 19

RBI - 11

SO- 12

Team Wins - 13

CANO

AB - 75

OBP - .354

HR - 1

SLG - .387

SB - 1

CS - 2

Fielding - .978

Runs - 11

RBI - 8

SO - 13

Team Wins - 8

I will be happy to update as the year goes on, and will tip my hat if Cano outperforms Weeks in 2007.

Without even looking, should I infer by their ommission that Cano has outhit, out doubled and out averaged Weeks this season? I don' t know why those stats don't make it, and I don't know how we'd quantify, but I'll take the gamble that Cano out performs Weeks.And don't misunderstand me, I'm not here to trash Weeks, I like the way he plays the game, I just wouldn't dream of taking Cano over him at this point. When Weeks puts up a season like Cano already has, I'll be more ready to listen.

 

[_4_]

I could see him as a cross between Durham and Sandberg....Durham with more power basically. I really like Weeks and he has a chance to be a remarkable player. All he needs to do is settle down his defense. (done) John Sickles

The player today that reminds me most of Jackie Robinson is Rickie Weeks - Dusty Baker, April 2007

2007 - 21 games for Weeks, 19 for Cano (bolded indicates better performance)WEEKS

AB- 83

OBP - .347

HR - 5

SLG - .542

SB - 5

CS - 0

Fielding - .989

Runs - 19

RBI - 11

SO- 12

Team Wins - 13

CANO

AB - 75

OBP - .354

HR - 1

SLG - .387

SB - 1

CS - 2

Fielding - .978

Runs - 11

RBI - 8

SO - 13

Team Wins - 8

I will be happy to update as the year goes on, and will tip my hat if Cano outperforms Weeks in 2007.

Without even looking, should I infer by their ommission that Cano has outhit, out doubled and out averaged Weeks this season? I don' t know why those stats don't make it, and I don't know how we'd quantify, but I'll take the gamble that Cano out performs Weeks.And don't misunderstand me, I'm not here to trash Weeks, I like the way he plays the game, I just wouldn't dream of taking Cano over him at this point. When Weeks puts up a season like Cano already has, I'll be more ready to listen.

Didn't even look at those stats. Batting average is not as good an indicator as OBP for a hitter (the object is to get on base), but I will include hits as that is a slightly different barometer and SLG includes doubles...but I will add those two along with triples which are the most exciting play in the game.

 

[dparker713]

Cano. He's got a track record in the pros and he plays in the best lineup in baseball. I'd revisit it after the all star break, but not in April.

 

[Capella]

Without even looking, should I infer by their ommission that Cano has outhit, out doubled and out averaged Weeks this season? I don' t know why those stats don't make it,

Because they're meaningless? Looks like somebody needs to familiarize himself with some stats other than what he sees in the daily boxscore.

 

[NY/NJMFDIVER]

Without even looking, should I infer by their ommission that Cano has outhit, out doubled and out averaged Weeks this season? I don' t know why those stats don't make it,

Because they're meaningless? Looks like somebody needs to familiarize himself with some stats other than what he sees in the daily boxscore.

I know OBP and OPS are quite en vogue as measuring sticks, but when there's two out and a man on second, I don't need a walk.

 

[_4_]

Without even looking, should I infer by their ommission that Cano has outhit, out doubled and out averaged Weeks this season? I don' t know why those stats don't make it,

Because they're meaningless? Looks like somebody needs to familiarize himself with some stats other than what he sees in the daily boxscore.

I know OBP and OPS are quite en vogue as measuring sticks, but when there's two out and a man on second, I don't need a walk.

You need an RBI machine like Cano, right?

 

[NY/NJMFDIVER]

Without even looking, should I infer by their ommission that Cano has outhit, out doubled and out averaged Weeks this season? I don' t know why those stats don't make it,

Because they're meaningless? Looks like somebody needs to familiarize himself with some stats other than what he sees in the daily boxscore.

I know OBP and OPS are quite en vogue as measuring sticks, but when there's two out and a man on second, I don't need a walk.

You need an RBI machine like Cano, right?

Well, seeing as he missed 6 weeks last year and still knocked in 80 out of the lower third, I'll take that any day from my second baseman. The next time Weeks knocks in 50 runs will be the first time.

 

[Capella]

Without even looking, should I infer by their ommission that Cano has outhit, out doubled and out averaged Weeks this season? I don' t know why those stats don't make it,

Because they're meaningless? Looks like somebody needs to familiarize himself with some stats other than what he sees in the daily boxscore.

I know OBP and OPS are quite en vogue as measuring sticks, but when there's two out and a man on second, I don't need a walk.

you want to take a mulligan here?

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Without even looking, should I infer by their ommission that Cano has outhit, out doubled and out averaged Weeks this season? I don' t know why those stats don't make it,

Because they're meaningless? Looks like somebody needs to familiarize himself with some stats other than what he sees in the daily boxscore.

I know OBP and OPS are quite en vogue as measuring sticks, but when there's two out and a man on second, I don't need a walk.

you want to take a mulligan here?

 

[shadyridr]

Without even looking, should I infer by their ommission that Cano has outhit, out doubled and out averaged Weeks this season? I don' t know why those stats don't make it,

Because they're meaningless? Looks like somebody needs to familiarize himself with some stats other than what he sees in the daily boxscore.

I know OBP and OPS are quite en vogue as measuring sticks, but when there's two out and a man on second, I don't need a walk.

Actually Cano had a horrible BA w RISP last year. Dont get me wrong I love Cano and think he is a very good 2B but Id still rather have Weeks.

 

[_4_]

Updated - added Grounding Into Double Play - if you don't think that's fair, let me know, I think it is an important stat.

 

[Keys Myaths]

Without even looking, should I infer by their ommission that Cano has outhit, out doubled and out averaged Weeks this season? I don' t know why those stats don't make it,

Because they're meaningless? Looks like somebody needs to familiarize himself with some stats other than what he sees in the daily boxscore.

I know OBP and OPS are quite en vogue as measuring sticks, but when there's two out and a man on second, I don't need a walk.

you want to take a mulligan here?

 

[_4_]

Weeks still going strong (and he hasn't even started hitting yet....

 

[NY/NJMFDIVER]

Weeks still going strong (and he hasn't even started hitting yet....

When is he going to start?

 

[shadyridr]

Weeks still going strong (and he hasn't even started hitting yet....

When is he going to start?

Apparently both guys suck

 

[_4_]

I'll update tonight - Weeks has been hurt, so Cano should have passed him in multiple categories. That IS a downfall with Weeks - he needs a season where he stays healthy and isn't battling half the season to get his timing back. Yes, for now they both suck.

 

[ThisGuy]

How has Weeks been doing? Has he turned it around yet?

 

[Darth Cheney]

Looks like 18 people don't know crap about baseball.....

"But Weeks was a first round pick!!!! He was great in the minors!!!"""" His BORK charts higher than Cano!!!!!! His POoP potentially maxes out to Jeff Kent level!!!!!!"

In the Show, Robinson Cano is a man. Richie Weeks is a young lad.

Hell the Yanks are even getting better bang for their buck salary wise....AND they didn't waste a high 1st rounder on him.

 

[Capella]

Looks like 18 people don't know crap about baseball.....

right.. Aren't you the guy who makes fun of others for posting stats and indicators?

In the Show, Robinson Cano is a man.

Robinson Cano has a .314 OBP. "In the Show", he's currently barely replacement level.I know you probably don't know what "OBP" is since it wasn't on the back of a baseball card and all, but ask around. It'll help. And yes, Weeks is struggling too. His upside is waaaaaay higher than Cano's though.

 

[Capella]

Cano has 50 walks in 1350 career at-bats. That's insane.

 

[shadyridr]

Id have to say I was wrong so far. I voted for Weeks but now its 2 years and Cano has been better than him both years. But thats not saying Cano is having a great year or something. He has been VERY disappointing this season. He swings at everything, has limited power, and is horrible with RISP (usually).

 

[Darth Cheney]

Looks like 18 people don't know crap about baseball.....

right.. Aren't you the guy who makes fun of others for posting stats and indicators?

In the Show, Robinson Cano is a man.

Robinson Cano has a .314 OBP. "In the Show", he's currently barely replacement level.I know you probably don't know what "OBP" is since it wasn't on the back of a baseball card and all, but ask around. It'll help. And yes, Weeks is struggling too. His upside is waaaaaay higher than Cano's though.

UPSIDE??? I love upside. Some of the greatest natural talents in the game who have done crap have had tremendous upside. Bottom line is Cano has posted better numbers and Cano costs less. Cano has preformed at a level that Weeks has yet to achieve. Call me back when Weeks upside starts showing through though. OBP??? Weeks's career OBP is .008 better than Cano. Yeah that's worth the 2nd pick in the draft versus a FA signing. Come back with something more lopsided.Weeks also hasn't exactly been a BB machine compared to Cano either....AND HE K'd almost 100 more times in 400 LESS AB'S.

 

[Smack Tripper]

when are these stats going to be updated?

 

[Darth Cheney]

when are these stats going to be updated?

Hold on a minute let me look them up and I'll do it.......Cano leads inHits2B3BHRRBI'sless K'sBAOBPSLG.OPS+TBOPSWeeks leads inSBBBGDPBut hey......Weeks has tremendous upside.......

 

[Limp Ditka]

Game over

From Sportsline

Rickie Weeks, 2B MIL

News: Rickie Weeks has been sent to the minors to work on his swing and get over his ailing wrist. Tony Graffanino and Craig Counsell will share at-bats at second base for the Brewers for the next few weeks at least. The Brewers added reserve Joe Dillon to the roster in place of Weeks. Weeks was hitting .212 with five homers and 19 runs batted in 75 games. Dillon was batting .317 at Nashville with team highs of 20 home runs and 73 RBI.

Analysis: Ouch. What was supposed to be a breakout season for Weeks has been another year of disappointment. Consider him nothing more than a long-term keeper prospect and NL-only flier at this point. He will return by September, but he will need to get hot in Triple-A to return as a starter.

 

[shadyridr]

Without even looking, should I infer by their ommission that Cano has outhit, out doubled and out averaged Weeks this season? I don' t know why those stats don't make it,

Because they're meaningless? Looks like somebody needs to familiarize himself with some stats other than what he sees in the daily boxscore.

I know OBP and OPS are quite en vogue as measuring sticks, but when there's two out and a man on second, I don't need a walk.

you want to take a mulligan here?

Do you?

 

[shadyridr]

So where's --4-- to admit he was wrong?

 

[ThisGuy]

So where's --4-- to admit he was wrong?

 

[Capella]

yankee fans kill me. No group of fans can take such a small sample size to mean so much.



Looking forward to darth coming in here to tell me OBP is stupid, and shady to tell me that Cano has the best stats in baseball since 1 pm Monday.

 

[ThisGuy]

yankee fans kill me. No group of fans can take such a small sample size to mean so much.Looking forward to darth coming in here to tell me OBP is stupid, and shady to tell me that Cano has the best stats in baseball since 1 pm Monday.

You're right. 2 years really doesn't tell any story.Rickie Weeks will realize his potential eventually.I guess.

 

[Capella]

You yankee fans would be a lot more bearable if you were able to look at things without pinstripe-tinted glasses. Not one of you mooks would trade Weeks for Cano if he were already a Yank, and you know it.

Christ, you guys go on for days about the untapped talent of Melky Cabrera and Tyler Clippard.

 

[ThisGuy]

Since 2003:

Weeks .248/.342/.388

Cano .313/.341/.483

Weeks is faster and may have a more powerful bat.

Weeks can't stay healthy and is currently playing in AAA (demoted, not on rehab).

Cano may not be a better athlete than Weeks, but to say he isn't a better 2B last and this year is just plain ignorant. Would you rather have a second baseman who plays at or very near an All Star level, or would you rather have a player with "upside" who may stay healthy, or may perform eventually.

 

[ThisGuy]

You yankee fans would be a lot more bearable if you were able to look at things without pinstripe-tinted glasses. Not one of you mooks would trade Weeks for Cano if he were already a Yank, and you know it.Christ, you guys go on for days about the untapped talent of Melky Cabrera and Tyler Clippard.

The only people who are allowed to speak of their prospects around here are Rays fans.

 

[shadyridr]

yankee fans kill me. No group of fans can take such a small sample size to mean so much.Looking forward to darth coming in here to tell me OBP is stupid, and shady to tell me that Cano has the best stats in baseball since 1 pm Monday.

How many years is a big enough sample size? When can we stop looking at Weeks' potential as a positive? Should we wait 5 years? 10? 20? When is the cutoff before we can determine who is better? Cano has been better than Weeks EVERY SINGLE YEAR (3 in total). How can anybody say Weeks is better than Cano?

 

[shadyridr]

Robinson Cano has a .314 OBP. "In the Show", he's currently barely replacement level.

So apparently its OK to quote stats when it supports your argument but when it doesnt support your argument you go to a "sample size" defense. Once again Capella is a hypocrite.

 

[ThisGuy]

Robinson Cano has a .314 OBP. "In the Show", he's currently barely replacement level.

So apparently its OK to quote stats when it supports your argument but when it doesnt support your argument you go to a "sample size" defense. Once again Capella is a hypocrite.

 

[Darth Cheney]

yankee fans kill me. No group of fans can take such a small sample size to mean so much.Looking forward to darth coming in here to tell me OBP is stupid, and shady to tell me that Cano has the best stats in baseball since 1 pm Monday.

Small sample size? Cano was better in 05, 06 and now 07. Weeks might have potential, he might have tremendous upside, he might eventually show that he can do well in "The Show". At that point, we'll have to go back and compare them again......cause right now to compare an established major leaguer to a player who has struggled in the bigs is laughable.

 

[Darth Cheney]

Week has stuck out 181 more times in 420 less at bats.....yeah he's something special......

 

[shadyridr]

You yankee fans would be a lot more bearable if you were able to look at things without pinstripe-tinted glasses. Not one of you mooks would trade Weeks for Cano if he were already a Yank, and you know it.Christ, you guys go on for days about the untapped talent of Melky Cabrera and Tyler Clippard.

You DO realize the question in the poll word for word is: "Who would you rather have in your team's lineup"?Cano is in the Yankees lineup doing quite well right now. Weeks is currently in AAA. Who would you rather have in your teams lineup? The guy in the majors or minors?And I TOO voted for Weeks in this poll. I fell in love with his potential too but its been 3 years now and Cano has been better every year while Weeks is back in the minors. I clearly made the wrong choice.

 

[Capella]

yankee fans kill me. No group of fans can take such a small sample size to mean so much.Looking forward to darth coming in here to tell me OBP is stupid, and shady to tell me that Cano has the best stats in baseball since 1 pm Monday.

Small sample size? Cano was better in 05, 06 and now 07. Weeks might have potential, he might have tremendous upside, he might eventually show that he can do well in "The Show". At that point, we'll have to go back and compare them again......cause right now to compare an established major leaguer to a player who has struggled in the bigs is laughable.

They took Weeks slow in 05 and 06. Cano currently has a hefty 9 point advantage in OBP over a guy in the minors. WHOA!

 

[Capella]

Week has stuck out 181 more times in 420 less at bats.....yeah he's something special......

at you quoting strikeouts as if they mean something.

 

[Capella]

Weeks has 40 walks in 260 ABs this season.

Cano currently has 55 walks in over 1400 career at-bats.

I can't believe we're even having this stupid conversation.

 

[ThisGuy]

Weeks has 40 walks in 260 ABs this season.

Cano currently has 55 walks in over 1400 career at-bats.

I can't believe we're even having this stupid conversation.

Walks = All Star ETA: didn't this all start over an awful trade proposal for Ben Sheets?? for Hughes, Cano and Cabrera or something like that?