Ricky Williams to Denver? (1 Viewer)

[Kai's Hero]

For a possible 1st rounder.  He could be a top 5 back next year if he is dealt to Denver, and didn't they just reduce sentencing for marijuana somewhere in Colorado?

I hope this isn't a honda, didn't see anything recent.

I think it is legal to possess in small amounts now or something.

Do you really think that this is entering into the mind of Ricky in considering a trade to the Bronco's?

 

[BigJim®]

I think this trade would make Saban look like an idiot, and put a ton of pressure on Ronnie Brown.  It would be a given that Ricky would become an elite rusher in Denver, and Saban would look like a fool if Ronnie had an off season.

Wow, I disagree 100%. What would make Saban look like an idiot is to use a #2 draft pick on Ronnie Brown and have him languish as a 15 carry RB.

"languish"??? How was Ronnie "languishing" this past yrear while the team was averaging 4.3 per carry, getting 1900 rush yards, and winning 9 out of 16 games after a 4 win season in 2004 in which the run game was puitrid?Considering the end-game for RBs, allowing Ronnie Brown to come alive in year two and then take over in year three would help keep him injury free and runnin gfor the phins a lot longer (unlike the two other top-5 rookie RBs that were drafted this past year and have already suffered injuries that caused them to miss big stretches of time).

The post I was responding to said it would make Saban look like 'an idiot' if he made this trade and "put a ton of pressure on Ronnie Brown." First, do you agree with that? Second, on my use of "languish"... I'm not clear what team rushing accomplishments have to do with a particular player "suffering under" a set of circumstances. Whether you agree the term "languish" applies to a #2 pick being a nice contributing 700-900 yard rusher, it remains asinine IMHO to suggest a coach is 'an idiot' to expect a #2 draft pick he hand picked to be a primary "pressured" ball carrier. Saban himself implied in his season wrap up that Brown's developement was weighing on his mind heading into this offseason. I will agree with you that a plan to keep Ricky 1 more year won't necessarily be bad, but that alternative was not implicit in the post I responded to, and frankly I find it unlikely the Dolphins ever trade Ricky if they pass on a #1 for Ricky right now. That's astounding value for Ricky. I'd have been shocked if they could have received a 3rd round pick given what S.Alexander/Edge were being dangled for last offseason, and your fellow Dolphin fans on this board said they'd be doing cartwheels for a 2nd. And for the record, my opinions are based on the validity of this rumor. If it's a huge lie and the Dolphins are merely being offered a 5th rounder, I too would say Saban is an idiot to trade Ricky.

Lastly, on your throw in comment re: Bush. I don't know how the Bush comment applies to my response. I didn't say a guy should get 25 carries as a rookie, nor did I suggest R.Brown should have received 25 carries as a rookie.

Excluding everything else above, this is your comment:

What would make Saban look like an idiot is to use a #2 draft pick on Ronnie Brown and have him languish as a 15 carry RB.

What makes you think that a 15-carry back is LANGUISHING??? Esp. when the team had as good a season running the ball as they did. How is Brown "languishing" in the Doplphins' offense - from where I am sitting, as a huge Dolphin fan, he was an integral part of the team's rushing numbers and an integral component to their 9 win season.Finally, I was reserving this in case you decided to post a response - Brown has NEVER carried the load, holding onto Ricky as a pro bowl quality backup RB until he sees if Brown can handle a 300 carry season is smart - not an "idiot" move - which makes the Bush comment very appropriate.

Finally, it is highly likely ZBush will go through the early part of his career without getting more than around 15 carries per game - he may go through his ENTIRE career in a Westbrook like role with another RB taking some carries - why can't Brown be the same type of guy for the phins? Maybe Brown is BEST off at carries 5-15 and not carries 20 and up, and it is a good idea to be like Phi8lly and to have a second RB as an integral part of your runnnig game.

Ok Levin, have it your way. A #2 draft pick IS NOT languishing if he becomes a nice complimentary 5-15 carry RB (your words) in and the team succeeds as a result of his contribution. Saban SHOULD hold Ricky on this team until Brown proves he can handle 300 carries (which would render RW I believe a 75 carry RB who no longer is worth a hill of beans). Lastly, Saban would be an idiot to expect his #2 pick to carry the load if he's offered an absolute windfall gift for Ricky Williams.

 

[Arm Chair Express]

As a Ronnie Brown owner, I'd love to see this happen!

As a Ronnie and Ricky owner I'd love to see this!

 

[Marc Levin]

For a possible 1st rounder.  He could be a top 5 back next year if he is dealt to Denver, and didn't they just reduce sentencing for marijuana somewhere in Colorado?

I hope this isn't a honda, didn't see anything recent.

I think it is legal to possess in small amounts now or something.

Do you really think that this is entering into the mind of Ricky in considering a trade to the Bronco's?

ricky gets a say in whether he gets traded?

 

[Marc Levin]

Ok Levin, have it your way. A #2 draft pick IS NOT languishing if he becomes a nice complimentary 5-15 carry RB (your words) in and the team succeeds as a result of his contribution. Saban SHOULD hold Ricky on this team until Brown proves he can handle 300 carries (which would render RW I believe a 75 carry RB who no longer is worth a hill of beans). Lastly, Saban would be an idiot to expect his #2 pick to carry the load if he's offered an absolute windfall gift for Ricky Williams.

Whatever - that was not my argument - and you know it.

 

[Brintey Spears]

If teams wouldn't give up a 2nd or 3rd for uberstuds like Edge and Alexander, what makes anyone think Pothead Williams can get a 1st?

Rick's salary is peanuts, while Edge and Alexander are looking to cash in big.Which part of this don't you understand?

 

[pinequick]

Ok Levin, have it your way. A #2 draft pick IS NOT languishing if he becomes a nice complimentary 5-15 carry RB (your words) in and the team succeeds as a result of his contribution. Saban SHOULD hold Ricky on this team until Brown proves he can handle 300 carries (which would render RW I believe a 75 carry RB who no longer is worth a hill of beans). Lastly, Saban would be an idiot to expect his #2 pick to carry the load if he's offered an absolute windfall gift for Ricky Williams.

Whatever - that was not my argument - and you know it.

Gotta agree with Big Jim here--you don't draft a RB #2 overall to "help the running game." You draft him to BE the running game. If you didn't think he could carry the load from Day 1, then why the heck would you draft him that high?Brown's #'s and performance will be curtailed as long a Ricky is a Dolphin--hence, he languishes. You can argue semantics if you want, but I see what BigJim is getting at.

 

[Bad_Mo]

Is there any way that Denver can get this done before tomorrow night?

 

[BigJim®]

Ok Levin, have it your way. A #2 draft pick IS NOT languishing if he becomes a nice complimentary 5-15 carry RB (your words) in and the team succeeds as a result of his contribution. Saban SHOULD hold Ricky on this team until Brown proves he can handle 300 carries (which would render RW I believe a 75 carry RB who no longer is worth a hill of beans). Lastly, Saban would be an idiot to expect his #2 pick to carry the load if he's offered an absolute windfall gift for Ricky Williams.

Whatever - that was not my argument - and you know it.

And now the eyeroll. Just splendid. I have no idea what your argument is Marc. You absolutely said those things in your last post to me (that "Maybe Brown is BEST off at carries 5-15 and not carries 20 and up" and "holding onto Ricky as a pro bowl quality backup RB until he sees if Brown can handle a 300 carry season is smart - not an "idiot" move"). Both of these are WAY off topic from my response to the guy calling Saban an idiot for taking a 1st round pick for Ricky.The bottom line is you've latched onto my use of the word "languish" and dwelled to the ridiculous point that you are adamantly disagreeing with me based on that word, yet at the same time agreeing with everyone else who shares my underlying opinion that a 1st for Ricky is UNBELIEVABLE value and should not be passed on by Saban merely because Saban would be "an idiot" to place more pressure on Brown.

 

[Synthesizer]

No way the Broncos give up a 1st rounder for a guy that quit on his teammates so he could go smoke pot just 18 months ago. I don't care what his salary is. Maybe they'd give up a 3rd rounder or so to take a chance on a guy though..... cough couch Clarett.

 

[Colin Dowling]

Someone tell me again why Ricky Williams is worth a 1st rounder and why the Broncos would want him? Where did all this smoke come from?

 

[packersfan]

No way the Broncos give up a 1st rounder for a guy that quit on his teammates so he could go smoke pot just 18 months ago. I don't care what his salary is. Maybe they'd give up a 3rd rounder or so to take a chance on a guy though..... cough couch Clarett.

He's light years beyond Clarett and the NFL is very much a "What have you done for me lately?" league. So I don't think the situation in 2004 is going to be a motivating factor in whether teams are interested in Ricky. They are going to look at what he did this season and decide whether he still can produce and based on those results it's clear he still can.That said, I'd be shocked if any team surrendered a No. 1 pick for him, much less a team that can produce a stellar running game at far less of a cost.

But as a potential Ricky owner in my keeper league, I'd be giddy to see him in Denver. He'd be no worse than a strong Top 15 RB with Top 10 upside.

 

[Marc Levin]

Ok Levin, have it your way. A #2 draft pick IS NOT languishing if he becomes a nice complimentary 5-15 carry RB (your words) in and the team succeeds as a result of his contribution. Saban SHOULD hold Ricky on this team until Brown proves he can handle 300 carries (which would render RW I believe a 75 carry RB who no longer is worth a hill of beans). Lastly, Saban would be an idiot to expect his #2 pick to carry the load if he's offered an absolute windfall gift for Ricky Williams.

Whatever - that was not my argument - and you know it.

And now the eyeroll. Just splendid. I have no idea what your argument is Marc. You absolutely said those things in your last post to me (that "Maybe Brown is BEST off at carries 5-15 and not carries 20 and up" and "holding onto Ricky as a pro bowl quality backup RB until he sees if Brown can handle a 300 carry season is smart - not an "idiot" move"). Both of these are WAY off topic from my response to the guy calling Saban an idiot for taking a 1st round pick for Ricky.The bottom line is you've latched onto my use of the word "languish" and dwelled to the ridiculous point that you are adamantly disagreeing with me based on that word, yet at the same time agreeing with everyone else who shares my underlying opinion that a 1st for Ricky is UNBELIEVABLE value and should not be passed on by Saban merely because Saban would be "an idiot" to place more pressure on Brown.

I responded to your comment about Saban being an idiot if he keeps ricky just b/c Ronnie brown is on the team.If the team wins 14 games next year with Ronnie Brown getting less than 15 carries a game, Saban is not an idiot.

And Brown getting 15 carries a game is not languishing,

Finally, I NEVER said Ronnie would be a 15 carry back with Ricky on the field - I said "maybe" he was "best at carries 5-15" and "not at 20+"

Not that he should only be used for 5-15 carries a game - that was you placing words in my mouth - or, more accurately, selective use of quotations.

Your point is the one being lost here - and one I agree with - that the initial post (Saban is an idiot to trade Ricky and rely on Ronnie) is wrong. My response is that Ronnie Brown at 15 or so carries (and, incidentally, likely 3-5 catches per game) in 2006 is not LANGUISHING nor is it WASTE of a 2nd overall pick (thus my Bush comments).

Just curious - are you a phin fan, or are you observing this as a Ronnie Brown fan/owner, or are you neither?

 

[diesel7982]

For a possible 1st rounder. He could be a top 5 back next year if he is dealt to Denver, and didn't they just reduce sentencing for marijuana somewhere in Colorado?

I hope this isn't a honda, didn't see anything recent.

This rumor is stupider than the one that said HOU would trade Carr for Ricky Williams.Shanny isnt going to give up a 1st for any RB.

Ricky is one strike away from a year suspension.

Yes, Ricky would be a good fit in Denver. No, that does not mean he'll go there.

 

[BigJim®]

Your point is the one being lost here - and one I agree with - that the initial post (Saban is an idiot to trade Ricky and rely on Ronnie) is wrong. My response is that Ronnie Brown at 15 or so carries (and, incidentally, likely 3-5 catches per game) in 2006 is not LANGUISHING nor is it WASTE of a 2nd overall pick (thus my Bush comments).

That's all that really matters and I'm not going to address the minutiae. I feel you've dwelled on my use of the word 'languish' to suggest I look at his 2005 performance to indicate a wasted draft pick. Not the case. Ultimately however I will say I feel the wisdom of that pick will be based on Brown's ability to go beyond a part-time contributor. The point you are missing is my implicit response was "Quez, given your statement that Saban would be an idiot to take this trade and put pressure on Brown, wouldn't he be a BIGGER idiot passing on a windfall 1st round pick for Ricky just because he'd afraid of giving a featured role to a guy he drafted to be a featured back?" No one should be looking at Brown carrying more of a load in a vacuum, as if Miami isn't reaping huge dividends getting another 1st round pick to compensate them for that risk that Brown can't carry the load. I never suggested it was inherently right to give Brown more responsibility, and change something that seems to be working to Miami's disadvantage, without a reason to do so.

Just curious - are you a phin fan, or are you observing this as a Ronnie Brown fan/owner, or are you neither?

I am a R.Brown owner in a dynasty league.

 

[Jack Ham & Eggs]

allowing Ronnie Brown to come alive in year two and then take over in year three would help keep him injury free and runnin gfor the phins a lot longer (unlike the two other top-5 rookie RBs that were drafted this past year and have already suffered injuries that caused them to miss big stretches of time).

You have a point about Cadillac Williams, but Cedric Benson didn't get much action this year and injured his knee during a game that he started only because Thomas Jones was injured. That is no kind of cautionary tale about RB overuse.

 

[diesel7982]

Someone tell me again why Ricky Williams is worth a 1st rounder and why the Broncos would want him? Where did all this smoke come from?

Too easy.

 

[Trey]

If this ever went down... Nick Saban would have to be regarded as a genius and a god.He would have taken Ricky's value from retirement and nothing to a 1st Round Draft Pick in the course of a year.That ,my friends, is VALUE!

 

[The Hank]

This might bring new meaning to Rocky Mountain High...

 

[KevT]

If this happens, Ricky might become a top 5 pick in drafts.

 

[Synthesizer]

So I don't think the situation in 2004 is going to be a motivating factor in whether teams are interested in Ricky.

I disagree. Although there may be a few teams interested in Ricky, none of them view him as a primary back. He will be viewed as a RBBC member or change of pace back and it's all because his actions in 2004. No team will give him any more responsibility than that because he showed how terribly that can turn out.

 

[zoonation]

and didn't they just reduce sentencing for marijuana somewhere in Colorado?

Legal sentencing for marijuana is and has always been a non-issue because it is typically a petty misdeamenor unless you are carrying a lot of it. The only thing that should matter is that he's one strike from a year suspension.

Generally - in the blue states anyway - in places like Nevada, which is a zero tolerance state, any amount of marijuana can get you up to a year in jail - and they enforce it.

Yet they allow people to drink themselves into oblivion and puke all over the streets. Makes a lot of sense. Reefer madness......a year in jail? what a total slap in the face of liberty and justice.

 

[zoonation]

So I don't think the situation in 2004 is going to be a motivating factor in whether teams are interested in Ricky.

I disagree. Although there may be a few teams interested in Ricky, none of them view him as a primary back. He will be viewed as a RBBC member or change of pace back and it's all because his actions in 2004. No team will give him any more responsibility than that because he showed how terribly that can turn out.

Please elaborate, because I wan't to understand wtf you are talking about.

 

[Marc Levin]

and didn't they just reduce sentencing for marijuana somewhere in Colorado?

Legal sentencing for marijuana is and has always been a non-issue because it is typically a petty misdeamenor unless you are carrying a lot of it. The only thing that should matter is that he's one strike from a year suspension.

Generally - in the blue states anyway - in places like Nevada, which is a zero tolerance state, any amount of marijuana can get you up to a year in jail - and they enforce it.

Yet they allow people to drink themselves into oblivion and puke all over the streets. Makes a lot of sense. Reefer madness......a year in jail? what a total slap in the face of liberty and justice.

Drug laws make no sense anyway - especially criminalizing marijuana.But, if you are looking for rationale, alcohol is a legal drug and they have simply decided to allow you to walk around with open containers - marijuana is not legal no matter where you ingest it.

 

[zoonation]

and didn't they just reduce sentencing for marijuana somewhere in Colorado?

Legal sentencing for marijuana is and has always been a non-issue because it is typically a petty misdeamenor unless you are carrying a lot of it. The only thing that should matter is that he's one strike from a year suspension.

Generally - in the blue states anyway - in places like Nevada, which is a zero tolerance state, any amount of marijuana can get you up to a year in jail - and they enforce it.

Yet they allow people to drink themselves into oblivion and puke all over the streets. Makes a lot of sense. Reefer madness......a year in jail? what a total slap in the face of liberty and justice.

Drug laws make no sense anyway - especially criminalizing marijuana.But, if you are looking for rationale, alcohol is a legal drug and they have simply decided to allow you to walk around with open containers - marijuana is not legal no matter where you ingest it.

It just blows my mind that a liberal society will take away someone's liberty for smoking a joint, despite the fact that alcohol is far more dangerous to society generally. I mean seriously, JAIL? I would never, ever, live in a society like that. It amazes me that more people don't see this as a stain on freedom.Note: I used to smoke pot in University, but no longer do.

 

[SSOG]

Didn't read the entire thread, but this smells like BS to me. Mike Shanahan is in the habit of trading AWAY runningbacks, not FOR them.

 

[Cecil Lammey]

I think the Broncos should look to upgrade at WR, first and foremost. Rod Smith is still excellent, but he can't play forever. And Lelie hasn't been consistent enough. A playmaking WR would make the Broncos offense almost unstoppable.

spot on. TO anyone?

 

[Cecil Lammey]

Mike Anderson (where u at?) is one puff away from a year suspension as well.

 

[ig-88]

I'll bet Norv Turner winds up in SF and the 9ers get Ricky for a 3rd this year and a conditional pick next year.

 

[CalBear]

and didn't they just reduce sentencing for marijuana somewhere in Colorado?

Legal sentencing for marijuana is and has always been a non-issue because it is typically a petty misdeamenor unless you are carrying a lot of it. The only thing that should matter is that he's one strike from a year suspension.

But the only rationale for pot being tested for is that it's illegal. (It's certainly not performance-enhancing). If pot becomes legal, does the silly NFL policy go away?

 

[diesel7982]

and didn't they just reduce sentencing for marijuana somewhere in Colorado?

Legal sentencing for marijuana is and has always been a non-issue because it is typically a petty misdeamenor unless you are carrying a lot of it. The only thing that should matter is that he's one strike from a year suspension.

But the only rationale for pot being tested for is that it's illegal. (It's certainly not performance-enhancing). If pot becomes legal, does the silly NFL policy go away?

Since its still a federal law, no.Not that it matters. The policies the NFL sets has nothing to do with what the government says.

 

[Synthesizer]

So I don't think the situation in 2004 is going to be a motivating factor in whether teams are interested in Ricky.

I disagree. Although there may be a few teams interested in Ricky, none of them view him as a primary back. He will be viewed as a RBBC member or change of pace back and it's all because his actions in 2004. No team will give him any more responsibility than that because he showed how terribly that can turn out.

Please elaborate, because I wan't to understand wtf you are talking about.

He is irresponsible and has shown that he would rather be on tour smoking weed than trying to win a championship. What team would possibly want to go into a season with him as their #1 RB? Too risky.

 

[BigJim®]

and didn't they just reduce sentencing for marijuana somewhere in Colorado?

Legal sentencing for marijuana is and has always been a non-issue because it is typically a petty misdeamenor unless you are carrying a lot of it. The only thing that should matter is that he's one strike from a year suspension.

But the only rationale for pot being tested for is that it's illegal. (It's certainly not performance-enhancing). If pot becomes legal, does the silly NFL policy go away?

The answer to your question is maybe... probably, but don't hold your breath. My only point in belittling the importance of state laws was teams in most states are more afraid of a violation of NFL drug testing/policy than what most states prosecute under their pot laws. For example, just because Colorado reduces it's pot penalties to a fine w/o jail to be caught with a small amount of pot... that's less important to a Broncos player than the fact it remains a 3rd strike and year suspension.

 

[zoonation]

So I don't think the situation in 2004 is going to be a motivating factor in whether teams are interested in Ricky.

I disagree. Although there may be a few teams interested in Ricky, none of them view him as a primary back. He will be viewed as a RBBC member or change of pace back and it's all because his actions in 2004. No team will give him any more responsibility than that because he showed how terribly that can turn out.

Please elaborate, because I wan't to understand wtf you are talking about.

He is irresponsible and has shown that he would rather be on tour smoking weed than trying to win a championship. What team would possibly want to go into a season with him as their #1 RB? Too risky.

He has also won a rushing title, and is a beast that can carry the ball 350 times if need be. Look what he did when he started at the end of the year. Ricky is a premier back, who could easily run for 2000+ in Denver...easily.A monster upgrade at the position, with no financial risk. If he flakes, Tatum can give it a go.

 

[Synthesizer]

So I don't think the situation in 2004 is going to be a motivating factor in whether teams are interested in Ricky.

I disagree. Although there may be a few teams interested in Ricky, none of them view him as a primary back. He will be viewed as a RBBC member or change of pace back and it's all because his actions in 2004. No team will give him any more responsibility than that because he showed how terribly that can turn out.

Please elaborate, because I wan't to understand wtf you are talking about.

He is irresponsible and has shown that he would rather be on tour smoking weed than trying to win a championship. What team would possibly want to go into a season with him as their #1 RB? Too risky.

He has also won a rushing title, and is a beast that can carry the ball 350 times if need be. Look what he did when he started at the end of the year. Ricky is a premier back, who could easily run for 2000+ in Denver...easily.A monster upgrade at the position, with no financial risk. If he flakes, Tatum can give it a go.

If he carries the ball 350 times and gets 2000 yards, how is that an upgrade over the 474 carries for 2235 yards they had this year? They had the #1 rushing offense in the AFC, a 13-3 record, and played themselves into a 1st round bye."If he flakes", haha. I'm thinking you don't understand why Ron Artest still hasn't been traded yet.....

 

[Cookiemonster]

Didn't read the entire thread, but this smells like BS to me. Mike Shanahan is in the habit of trading AWAY runningbacks, not FOR them.

... or drafting very good ones for 2nd-later round picks. A 3rd for Ricky sounds like a pretty good '3rd round gem'.

 

[BigJim®]

Yeah, I don't buy it either. It was cool to read a rumor about Ricky moving on but I still believe Miami will ba hard pressed to get a 3rd. If they get a 2nd I'll the Miami organization. But my guess is they find few takers given the strength of this draft, and capable FAs available. If the Dolphins decide to keep Ricky another year, they absolutely owe him a public sentiment. Forgetting about the $8 mil, AND giving a modest pay raise from the vet minimum would be a decent act. He will have deserved it IMHO, and they should settle up with him if they want to put that thing in the past. He did his part getting into shape, contributing, and making himself tradable.

 

[BassNBrew]

P.S. - prostitution is regulated by the Nevada governemnt, drugs are not.

A hooker can't just run out there and hang a shingle - she has to be in a bordello to be legal.

Where else but Footballguys can you get this type of information. J out did himself by adding a guy to the staff that has first hand knowledge of the ins and outs of prostitution in Nevada. Others sites just don't have this type of experience.

 

[Marc Levin]

P.S. - prostitution is regulated by the Nevada governemnt, drugs are not.

A hooker can't just run out there and hang a shingle - she has to be in a bordello to be legal.

Where else but Footballguys can you get this type of information. J out did himself by adding a guy to the staff that has first hand knowledge of the ins and outs of prostitution in Nevada. Others sites just don't have this type of experience.

 

[Ozymandias]

1. Would Ricky be a beast behind the Denver o-line?Absolutely, yes. Particularly with Anderson opening up the holes.2. He probably has 2-3 good years left in him.3. The reason he is playing now is that he has to, or he owes the Dolphins a big part of $8 million. I suspect, that if the Dolphins trade him, there is a cap hit to them.However, they could negotiate that he returns the unused portion of his cap, and then Denver signs him for pretty big bucks, but with performance clauses, including putting the upfront money in escrow for good behavior.Now, if you are Shanahan, what would you be willing to give up to get a premier, tested RB? I'd think a second rounder, at least.Dolphins get their money back; they have their rb of the future. They get a second rounder, to build for the future. Ricky gets his money.Shanahan has a rb to build a Superbowl team around.Everybody wins.

 

[jwvdcw]

I know Denver has an extra 1st rounder and they're both going to be lower picks ... but why would they do this when they already had a fantasy top-10 back and another near 1000-yard back with the #2 rushing offense in the league?

One possible reason is that Anderson is going to be 33 in September, and Shanny may not ever trust Bell to be a 20-25 carry guy. Plus, Ricky would be pretty cheap from a cap standpoint.

Both good points. I guess then it all comes down to whether or not a better RB is at Washington's draft spot. I didn't realize they could get Ricky so cheaply.

So cheaply? You do realize that Edge and SA could've been had for 2nd rounders this past offseason and that Marshall Faulk went for a 2nd and 4th in his prime, right? This isn't fantasy football- RBs are not that valuable.

 

[jwvdcw]

If teams wouldn't give up a 2nd or 3rd for uberstuds like Edge and Alexander, what makes anyone think Pothead Williams can get a 1st?

his low salary is the only thing I can think of, but that is a decent reason.

 

[Ghost Rider]

It just blows my mind that a liberal society will take away someone's liberty for smoking a joint, despite the fact that alcohol is far more dangerous to society generally.

Who said this is a liberal society? Were you not paying attention back in November 2004?

 

[modus]

If teams wouldn't give up a 2nd or 3rd for uberstuds like Edge and Alexander, what makes anyone think Pothead Williams can get a 1st?

his low salary is the only thing I can think of, but that is a decent reason.

I would imagine Steinberg would renegotiate his salary if he was traded to Denver.

 

[Cookiemonster]

Isn't Denver out of a 2nd rounder this year due to penalties? That would put them out of the running for the solid class of RBs this year, but a 3rd sounds good.

 

[Bri]

anyone got a link?

 

[Padraig]

For a possible 1st rounder.  He could be a top 5 back next year if he is dealt to Denver, and didn't they just reduce sentencing for marijuana somewhere in Colorado?

I hope this isn't a honda, didn't see anything recent.

This rumor is stupider than the one that said HOU would trade Carr for Ricky Williams.Shanny isnt going to give up a 1st for any RB.

Ricky is one strike away from a year suspension.

Yes, Ricky would be a good fit in Denver. No, that does not mean he'll go there.

Denvers 1st rounder will be a late 1st rounder. If Shanny spent an early 2nd rd pick on Bell,why is using a late 1st on Ricky out of the question??? I think Rickys contract would be the biggest obstacle to this deal. He'll play for the vets minimum for Miami because they have the $8 million judgement against him and havent gone after him for it.He would want a raise from Denver and Shanny has proven he wont pay any RB.

 

[Bri]

the day Shanny turns away the chance of considerring a back with a ton of talent is the day he retires.

 

[JohnnyU]

anyone got a link?

Rotoworld

 

[Family Matters]

So I don't think the situation in 2004 is going to be a motivating factor in whether teams are interested in Ricky.

I disagree. Although there may be a few teams interested in Ricky, none of them view him as a primary back. He will be viewed as a RBBC member or change of pace back and it's all because his actions in 2004. No team will give him any more responsibility than that because he showed how terribly that can turn out.

This is just speculation on your part but I'm pretty sure some see him as a viable primary RB. And yes they are aware of what he did but they are also aware of what he can do. You cannot ignore the talent he has and discount that over 1 bad decision. I think he's proven his ability is still there. Another thing to consider is now that he's been there done that he might be less tempted to do it again. After all he did come back to the game so I guess it's not that bad after all. And if he did it for the money then clearly he's highly motivated by that and should be good for couple more years then.