dickey moe
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News just broke. What an extraordinary life.
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RIP Jim Brown (1 Viewer)
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JohnnyU
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Greatest RB ever. Played 9 years and got out on top. Never missed a game and delivered as much punishment to defenders as anyone (except possibly Earl Campbell), Barry is #2 and Walter #3 (also RIP).
EDITED to add he was probably the greatest lacrosse player of all-time as well. Also, he was not only the greatest RB of all time, he was the greatest football player of all time. I was just beginning as an NFL fan at 6 when he retired in 1965, , so I don't remember him playing. I wish he would have played a couple of more years.
EDITED to add he was probably the greatest lacrosse player of all-time as well. Also, he was not only the greatest RB of all time, he was the greatest football player of all time. I was just beginning as an NFL fan at 6 when he retired in 1965, , so I don't remember him playing. I wish he would have played a couple of more years.
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Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Amazing human being #RIP
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I once had his 1958 Topps rookie card. I traded it for a 1986 Fleer Michael Jordan rookie. I own neither now. The Jordan is worth more $$$$$$ but Brown's card was harder to come by, especially centered and in near mint condition. Both cards graded in that kind of condition brings a lot of money. You won't find a Brown card in near mint or better condition. Maybe only a few in the world (if any), but I could be wrong.
edited - I take that back. It was a near mint 1959 Topps Hank Aaron I traded for the Jordan, not the Brown card. I forgot what I traded / sold the Brown card for.
edited - I take that back. It was a near mint 1959 Topps Hank Aaron I traded for the Jordan, not the Brown card. I forgot what I traded / sold the Brown card for.
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Galileo
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I do not wish to trample on the man's grave, and I have much respect for his game on the field and his efforts to do good in the community over the years. However, there are some not so good stories that swirl around his name too.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Please at least let him get cold before starting that.
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BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Yeah we can talk about his greatness as a player. But he was not a good person. ‘nufced
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
Oh damn
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Anyone else remember that Richard Pryor concert after he nearly burned himself up freebasing? He made references to conversations with Jim Brown, "What you gonna do?". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZS95ZWq1Ais&ab_channel=ＷＥＥＭＵＳＳＴＵＤＩＯ２０２２©
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I mean, yes - we are all flawed, and some folks flaws are greater than others.
I was speaking more to what he’s done for society than his personal issues.
RenegadeRoy
Footballguy
Knew him as an actor first and always loved his movies like Slaughter and Three the Hard Way. Legendary.
9 seasons, and 8 rushing titles. Retired as the NFL MVP. 3-time MVP and was in the top-4 in MVP voting in 8 of his 9 seasons. Averaged 125 scrimmage yards per game for his career, which if he had played when teams played 16 games instead of 12/14, he'd have averaged 2,000 yards a season for his career. and as you said, never missed a game as a RB who played for 9 years. Also, let's not forget the time Jim Brown almost single handedly saved the human race from Martians in Mars Attacks.
Quick story: My Grandpa used to tell me stories of Brown when I was young, about how he was so big that he never really seemed like he was moving that fast, but nobody was catching him. Said the only modern guy (this would have been 30 years ago) who ran anywhere near as smoothly was Dickerson in his opinion.
One of the things I got from Grandpa as a kid was an NFL films VHS series that covered various football topics, like the AFL had a tape, the Super Bowl (I believe it went up to the NYG/Buf game) had a tape, and the 60's Packers, 70's Steelers, and 80's 49ers had a tape. Jim Brown had a tape entirely to himself, featuring highlights, old interviews (both with Brown and teammates/opponents) and current players talking about how important his legacy was, not just to football, but to race relations in general, it was so awe-inspiring watching that as a kid, you could have convinced me the Cleveland Browns were named in honor of Jim Brown.
Da Franchise
Footballguy
Well, there’s just no hope for any of us if Jim Brown can’t even make it.
RIP legend.
Oh, and there’s this gem of a piece of writing from Shirley Povich of the Washington Post after a game he played against the Skins:
“Jim Brown, born ineligible to play for the Redskins, integrated their end zone three times yesterday.”
(Washington was the last team to integrate)
Great man and a great life.
RIP legend.
Oh, and there’s this gem of a piece of writing from Shirley Povich of the Washington Post after a game he played against the Skins:
“Jim Brown, born ineligible to play for the Redskins, integrated their end zone three times yesterday.”
(Washington was the last team to integrate)
Great man and a great life.
OldMilwaukee
IBL Representative
The definition of a baller.
RIP
RIP
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Perhaps the greatest of all time, however you want to take that.
RIP Jim, you broke the mold
RIP Jim, you broke the mold
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
The Mount Rushmore of American athletes has Babe Ruth, Muhammad Ali, Tiger Woods, Michael Phelps, and Jim Brown.
He retired on-top of his game with plenty of tread left on the tires.
Got robbed of winning the Heisman due to his race.
He casts an inescapable long shadow leaving everyone in the dust.
Greatest RB of all-time.
Arguably the greatest NFL player of all-time.
There Will Never Be Another NFL Career Like Jim Brown’s
...In 1963 two NFL players ran for more than 1,000 yards: Green Bay Packers’ Hall of Famer Jim Taylor, who ran for 1,018, and Brown—who ran for 1,863. Brown accumulated more rushing yards himself that year than 11 of the other 13 teams did. He averaged 6.4 yards per attempt, a number that was just as preposterous then as it would be today; the next highest qualifying player averaged 5.0.
He never missed a game. The legend was that he never ran out of bounds—he had to be pushed, usually by multiple defenders. He competed in an era of 12- and then 14-game seasons and played his last game at age 29—and still set a career rushing record that would stand for 19 more seasons.
Jim Brown’s exploits will likely never be matched
...At a time when passing games had not begun to develop into the intricate and effective attacks we now see in football, the running game ruled — and Jim Brown ruled it like none other.
He averaged 5.2 yards per carry, for every carry of his nine-year career. He averaged more than 100 rushing yards per game, for every game of his nine-year career.
He obliterated the single-season rushing record in only his second season, gaining 1527 yards in only 12 games. That equates to 2,163 yards in a modern 17-game season.
His career high of 1,863 yards in a 14-game season translates to 2,262 under today’s schedule.
Jim Brown did it all at a time when every defender knew to be ready for the onslaught that occurred whenever Jim Brown got the ball in his hands.
He was one of a kind, a marvel to behold in the years before football became what it now is. He was a superstar in a sport that did not have the same nucleus of superstars it now enjoys. He ran through and around defenses like no one ever has.
In today’s game, no one can come close to that kind of sustained dominance, not with so many teams embracing the 50-year evolution that has made it far easier to move the ball through the air than it was in Jim Brown’s era. Even if a running back with his supreme physical talents, relative to his opponents, were to explode on the scene today, it’s unlikely that any team would build its entire offense around the sort of one-man wrecking crew that Jim Brown was.
For most who follow the game closely today, Jim Brown’s career predated their awareness of the game on a week-in and week-out basis. But for those of us who grew up in the 1970s, the name “Jim Brown” was uttered with universal reverence. Those who had seen what he can do knew instinctively that, until someone else like him came along, he would truly be one of one.
...He truly was one of a kind. A unicorn. An aberration. Not as much a man among boys as a god among men, perhaps the single most skilled athlete regardless of position or sport in American history.
That will seem like hyperbole to those who did not see what he did. The highlights are in plain view, for anyone who wishes to marvel at his skills. The numbers are undeniable. Jim Brown blazed a trail that no one since him has had the inherent skills to truly follow.
All we can do is wait for the next Jim Brown, and to assume/hope that instead of being the man who gets the ball from the quarterback, he’ll be the one who receives the ball from the center and creates magical mayhem for anyone who dares to try to stop him.
He retired on-top of his game with plenty of tread left on the tires.
Got robbed of winning the Heisman due to his race.
He casts an inescapable long shadow leaving everyone in the dust.
Greatest RB of all-time.
Arguably the greatest NFL player of all-time.
There Will Never Be Another NFL Career Like Jim Brown’s
...In 1963 two NFL players ran for more than 1,000 yards: Green Bay Packers’ Hall of Famer Jim Taylor, who ran for 1,018, and Brown—who ran for 1,863. Brown accumulated more rushing yards himself that year than 11 of the other 13 teams did. He averaged 6.4 yards per attempt, a number that was just as preposterous then as it would be today; the next highest qualifying player averaged 5.0.
He never missed a game. The legend was that he never ran out of bounds—he had to be pushed, usually by multiple defenders. He competed in an era of 12- and then 14-game seasons and played his last game at age 29—and still set a career rushing record that would stand for 19 more seasons.
Jim Brown’s exploits will likely never be matched
...At a time when passing games had not begun to develop into the intricate and effective attacks we now see in football, the running game ruled — and Jim Brown ruled it like none other.
He averaged 5.2 yards per carry, for every carry of his nine-year career. He averaged more than 100 rushing yards per game, for every game of his nine-year career.
He obliterated the single-season rushing record in only his second season, gaining 1527 yards in only 12 games. That equates to 2,163 yards in a modern 17-game season.
His career high of 1,863 yards in a 14-game season translates to 2,262 under today’s schedule.
Jim Brown did it all at a time when every defender knew to be ready for the onslaught that occurred whenever Jim Brown got the ball in his hands.
He was one of a kind, a marvel to behold in the years before football became what it now is. He was a superstar in a sport that did not have the same nucleus of superstars it now enjoys. He ran through and around defenses like no one ever has.
In today’s game, no one can come close to that kind of sustained dominance, not with so many teams embracing the 50-year evolution that has made it far easier to move the ball through the air than it was in Jim Brown’s era. Even if a running back with his supreme physical talents, relative to his opponents, were to explode on the scene today, it’s unlikely that any team would build its entire offense around the sort of one-man wrecking crew that Jim Brown was.
For most who follow the game closely today, Jim Brown’s career predated their awareness of the game on a week-in and week-out basis. But for those of us who grew up in the 1970s, the name “Jim Brown” was uttered with universal reverence. Those who had seen what he can do knew instinctively that, until someone else like him came along, he would truly be one of one.
...He truly was one of a kind. A unicorn. An aberration. Not as much a man among boys as a god among men, perhaps the single most skilled athlete regardless of position or sport in American history.
That will seem like hyperbole to those who did not see what he did. The highlights are in plain view, for anyone who wishes to marvel at his skills. The numbers are undeniable. Jim Brown blazed a trail that no one since him has had the inherent skills to truly follow.
All we can do is wait for the next Jim Brown, and to assume/hope that instead of being the man who gets the ball from the quarterback, he’ll be the one who receives the ball from the center and creates magical mayhem for anyone who dares to try to stop him.
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Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
He wasn't just a football player, Jim Brown was an all-world athlete.
Memory of Jim Brown: He carried the ball with one hand like a loaf of bread – Terry Pluto
...THE GREATNESS OF JIM BROWN
Jim Brown is in the Hall of Fame. You probably knew that, as in the Pro Football Hall of Fame.
Brown also is in the National Lacrosse of Hall of Fame. He is considered one of the greatest college lacrosse players ever. In 1957 – the same year he was drafted by the Browns – Jim Brown scored five goals in the first half of the college North/South Lacrosse All-Star game.
The 1957 Syracuse lacrosse team was 10-0. Brown was a first-team All-American in lacrosse.
Then there was basketball.
The 6-foot-2 Brown played two years of that sport, averaging 13.1 points and shooting 60% from the field. He also ran track.
Let’s add it up: All-American in football. All-American in lacrosse. A star in track. A starter in basketball.
That’s right, Brown played four sports at an elite level at college powerhouse Syracuse.
Memory of Jim Brown: He carried the ball with one hand like a loaf of bread – Terry Pluto
...THE GREATNESS OF JIM BROWN
Jim Brown is in the Hall of Fame. You probably knew that, as in the Pro Football Hall of Fame.
Brown also is in the National Lacrosse of Hall of Fame. He is considered one of the greatest college lacrosse players ever. In 1957 – the same year he was drafted by the Browns – Jim Brown scored five goals in the first half of the college North/South Lacrosse All-Star game.
The 1957 Syracuse lacrosse team was 10-0. Brown was a first-team All-American in lacrosse.
Then there was basketball.
The 6-foot-2 Brown played two years of that sport, averaging 13.1 points and shooting 60% from the field. He also ran track.
Let’s add it up: All-American in football. All-American in lacrosse. A star in track. A starter in basketball.
That’s right, Brown played four sports at an elite level at college powerhouse Syracuse.
As there are around me,but his positive impact blows anything positive I have done out of the water. R.I.P. G.O.A.T.
nightmare
Footballguy
Jim Brown was 6'2" 232, The same size as John Wooten, Clevelands LG. John Morrow the center was 6'3" 244.
Richard Schafrath LT was 6'5" 253. They all played most of the years Brown did.
Todays version of Jim Brown would have to be 6'4" 290 and run a 4.5 40.
ETA, had to edit Schafrath's first name. Quirk of the language filter.
Richard Schafrath LT was 6'5" 253. They all played most of the years Brown did.
Todays version of Jim Brown would have to be 6'4" 290 and run a 4.5 40.
ETA, had to edit Schafrath's first name. Quirk of the language filter.
eighsse2
Footballguy
You would think that wouldn't mean much to the defense after the first 400 or 500 times. Maybe it worked as a mask for when he was actually hurt or tired.
