Risers and Fallers: NFC East (1 Viewer)

[Jason Wood]

One of the goals of the blog is to give non subscribers a taste of what subscribers have access to, but in a more simplified manner (aka a teaser).

Tonight I highlighted Dodds' Projection Tweaks article and gave some personal risers and fallers in the two East division (AFC East and NFC East).

Here are my NFC East risers and fallers...

http://blog.footballguys.com/2007/08/27/fa...llers-nfc-east/

Love to get your thoughts...which NFC East players are rising in your rankings? Which are falling?

 

[Sleeper 43]

One of the goals of the blog is to give non subscribers a taste of what subscribers have access to, but in a more simplified manner (aka a teaser).

Tonight I highlighted Dodds' Projection Tweaks article and gave some personal risers and fallers in the two East division (AFC East and NFC East).

Here are my NFC East risers and fallers...

http://blog.footballguys.com/2007/08/27/fa...llers-nfc-east/

One of my favorite things about Footballguys is the way we our data and content is indexed, allowing ad hoc analysis. David Dodds provides a look at how his projections change from week to week in the Projections Tweaks series (subscription required). For those who don’t have a subscription, I thought it might be helpful to give you a few quick hitting comments on which players are rising and falling in MY (i.e., different than Dodds’) projections this preseason.

First up, the NFC East:

RISING

* Donovan McNabb, PHI (Rank: QB6) — He’s practiced and played according to schedule, and looked good doing it

* Brandon Jacobs, NYG (Rank: RB17) — Not in a committee situation after all, looks strong and solid goal line option

* Tony Hunt, PHI (Rank: RB62) — Could get goal-line carries

* Patrick Crayton, DAL (Rank: WR64) — Terry Glenn’s injury + Crayton’s strong play = upgrade

* Steve Smith, NYG (Rank: WR66) — Consistent throughout camp, could start by year end

* Nick Folk, DAL (Rank: PK24) — Gramatica’s injury + Folk’s strong play = starting PK

FALLING

* Jason Campbell, WAS (Rank: QB21) — Knee injury, shaky line, and troublesome mechanics

* Clinton Portis, WAS (Rank: RB26) — Tendinitis, lack of practice + Betts = overvalued

* Correll Buckhalter, PHI (Rank: RB49) — Hunt could steal touches, particularly at the goal-line

* Reuben Droughns, NYG (Rank: RB61) — Getting reps at FB, outplayed by Derrick Ward

* Plaxico Burress, NYG (Rank: WR17) — Still too good to ignore, but latest back injury lowers him a notch or two

* Terry Glenn, DAL (Rank: WR33) — Knee injury puts his Week One (or longer) at risk

* L.J. Smith, PHI (Rank: TE20) — Sports hernia is far too risky to draft as a TE1

* Martin Gramatica, DAL (Rank: Unranked) — Injury + Nick Folk’s strong play = looking for work

Let’s hear your thoughts…where do you agree? Where do you disagree and why?

Love to get your thoughts...which NFC East players are rising in your rankings? Which are falling?

I'm with you on all these minus Portis. I can't see bumping a player down based off of tendinitis. The conditioning from missing camp time will come.

 

[Willowdoc]

One of the goals of the blog is to give non subscribers a taste of what subscribers have access to, but in a more simplified manner (aka a teaser).

Tonight I highlighted Dodds' Projection Tweaks article and gave some personal risers and fallers in the two East division (AFC East and NFC East).

Here are my NFC East risers and fallers...

http://blog.footballguys.com/2007/08/27/fa...llers-nfc-east/

One of my favorite things about Footballguys is the way we our data and content is indexed, allowing ad hoc analysis. David Dodds provides a look at how his projections change from week to week in the Projections Tweaks series (subscription required). For those who don’t have a subscription, I thought it might be helpful to give you a few quick hitting comments on which players are rising and falling in MY (i.e., different than Dodds’) projections this preseason.

First up, the NFC East:

RISING

* Donovan McNabb, PHI (Rank: QB6) — He’s practiced and played according to schedule, and looked good doing it

* Brandon Jacobs, NYG (Rank: RB17) — Not in a committee situation after all, looks strong and solid goal line option

* Tony Hunt, PHI (Rank: RB62) — Could get goal-line carries

* Patrick Crayton, DAL (Rank: WR64) — Terry Glenn’s injury + Crayton’s strong play = upgrade

* Steve Smith, NYG (Rank: WR66) — Consistent throughout camp, could start by year end

* Nick Folk, DAL (Rank: PK24) — Gramatica’s injury + Folk’s strong play = starting PK

FALLING

* Jason Campbell, WAS (Rank: QB21) — Knee injury, shaky line, and troublesome mechanics

* Clinton Portis, WAS (Rank: RB26) — Tendinitis, lack of practice + Betts = overvalued

* Correll Buckhalter, PHI (Rank: RB49) — Hunt could steal touches, particularly at the goal-line

* Reuben Droughns, NYG (Rank: RB61) — Getting reps at FB, outplayed by Derrick Ward

* Plaxico Burress, NYG (Rank: WR17) — Still too good to ignore, but latest back injury lowers him a notch or two

* Terry Glenn, DAL (Rank: WR33) — Knee injury puts his Week One (or longer) at risk

* L.J. Smith, PHI (Rank: TE20) — Sports hernia is far too risky to draft as a TE1

* Martin Gramatica, DAL (Rank: Unranked) — Injury + Nick Folk’s strong play = looking for work

Let’s hear your thoughts…where do you agree? Where do you disagree and why?

Love to get your thoughts...which NFC East players are rising in your rankings? Which are falling?

I'm with you on all these minus Portis. I can't see bumping a player down based off of tendinitis. The conditioning from missing camp time will come.

I am raising Portis too, the addition of Kendal fills the one hole on their offensive line. I started him pretty low though and drafting him still means you must get Betts. Their combined production should be a RB1 behind that offensive line.

 

[nygiants56]

I disagree on McNabb, I think he's falling..He hasn't looked that impressive in preseason, and we know its only a matter of time before he's hurt, again.

Portis won't even play this season, the guy can't cut on the knee yet, he's constantly battling swelling and soreness..and thats not even his biggest concern, the surgically repaired shoulder is more worrisome, he hasn't even taken a single hit on that shoulder yet. I just can't see the guy playing at all in 2007..he can only run in a traight line,and here it is, aug 27th...

he's closer to going on IR, than he is to rushing for 100 yards in any game this season.

 

[Jason Wood]

I disagree on McNabb, I think he's falling..He hasn't looked that impressive in preseason, and we know its only a matter of time before he's hurt, again.Portis won't even play this season, the guy can't cut on the knee yet, he's constantly battling swelling and soreness..and thats not even his biggest concern, the surgically repaired shoulder is more worrisome, he hasn't even taken a single hit on that shoulder yet. I just can't see the guy playing at all in 2007..he can only run in a traight line,and here it is, aug 27th...he's closer to going on IR, than he is to rushing for 100 yards in any game this season.

No offense NYGiants, but your assessment of McNabb rings of Giants homerism. McNabb has practiced (weeks earlier than planned) and played in both preseason games he said he would. He's taken three big hits and bounced up with nary a limp. As importantly, he's had no swelling or cause to sit out of practice the following days. Remember too that I had him QB13 for much of the preseason (most already had him top 5-6).

 

[Snotbubbles]

I disagree on McNabb, I think he's falling..He hasn't looked that impressive in preseason, and we know its only a matter of time before he's hurt, again.Portis won't even play this season, the guy can't cut on the knee yet, he's constantly battling swelling and soreness..and thats not even his biggest concern, the surgically repaired shoulder is more worrisome, he hasn't even taken a single hit on that shoulder yet. I just can't see the guy playing at all in 2007..he can only run in a traight line,and here it is, aug 27th...he's closer to going on IR, than he is to rushing for 100 yards in any game this season.

No offense NYGiants, but your assessment of McNabb rings of Giants homerism. McNabb has practiced (weeks earlier than planned) and played in both preseason games he said he would. He's taken three big hits and bounced up with nary a limp. As importantly, he's had no swelling or cause to sit out of practice the following days. Remember too that I had him QB13 for much of the preseason (most already had him top 5-6).

Not only that but he was brilliant in the Carolina game. I've never seen him look better. He wasn't as good in the Pittsburgh game, but he wasn't terrible either. He barely played a quarter and a half in that game and he did so without Westbrook (who only got 1 carry), Shawn Andrews and LJ Smith. Those are 3 important offensive players.

 

[Blackjacks]

I disagree on McNabb, I think he's falling..He hasn't looked that impressive in preseason, and we know its only a matter of time before he's hurt, again.Portis won't even play this season, the guy can't cut on the knee yet, he's constantly battling swelling and soreness..and thats not even his biggest concern, the surgically repaired shoulder is more worrisome, he hasn't even taken a single hit on that shoulder yet. I just can't see the guy playing at all in 2007..he can only run in a traight line,and here it is, aug 27th...he's closer to going on IR, than he is to rushing for 100 yards in any game this season.

I just read from Gibbs that he'll be a game time descion for this weeks game. Do you think they'd put their star rb out there for a preseason game is he wasn't ready? The facts are this Portis said last year after his shoulder incident that he didn't want to play in the preseason and he didn't.....nough said.

 

[Raiders Fan]

I disagree on McNabb, I think he's falling..He hasn't looked that impressive in preseason, and we know its only a matter of time before he's hurt, again.Portis won't even play this season, the guy can't cut on the knee yet, he's constantly battling swelling and soreness..and thats not even his biggest concern, the surgically repaired shoulder is more worrisome, he hasn't even taken a single hit on that shoulder yet. I just can't see the guy playing at all in 2007..he can only run in a traight line,and here it is, aug 27th...he's closer to going on IR, than he is to rushing for 100 yards in any game this season.

I just read from Gibbs that he'll be a game time descion for this weeks game. Do you think they'd put their star rb out there for a preseason game is he wasn't ready? The facts are this Portis said last year after his shoulder incident that he didn't want to play in the preseason and he didn't.....nough said.

Talk is talk. Actions prove.. How many times last year did we hear game time and ony to hear out just before?? Its a game they play. Anything with a RB's legs is MAJOR concern..

 

[Michael Fox Fan]

I disagree on McNabb, I think he's falling..He hasn't looked that impressive in preseason, and we know its only a matter of time before he's hurt, again.Portis won't even play this season, the guy can't cut on the knee yet, he's constantly battling swelling and soreness..and thats not even his biggest concern, the surgically repaired shoulder is more worrisome, he hasn't even taken a single hit on that shoulder yet. I just can't see the guy playing at all in 2007..he can only run in a traight line,and here it is, aug 27th...he's closer to going on IR, than he is to rushing for 100 yards in any game this season.

I just read from Gibbs that he'll be a game time descion for this weeks game. Do you think they'd put their star rb out there for a preseason game is he wasn't ready? The facts are this Portis said last year after his shoulder incident that he didn't want to play in the preseason and he didn't.....nough said.

Just ignore nygiants on this topic. He's been yammering in the Portis thread for the past 1 1/2 weeks - basically ignoring the obvious: Portis hates the preseason, so he and Gibbs reached a gentlemen's agreement that Portis wouldn't play much (if at all) before week 1. nygiants can't handle the uncertainty. Sharks are of course buying Portis.

 

[ImTheScientist]

I disagree on McNabb, I think he's falling..He hasn't looked that impressive in preseason, and we know its only a matter of time before he's hurt, again.

Portis won't even play this season, the guy can't cut on the knee yet, he's constantly battling swelling and soreness..and thats not even his biggest concern, the surgically repaired shoulder is more worrisome, he hasn't even taken a single hit on that shoulder yet. I just can't see the guy playing at all in 2007..he can only run in a traight line,and here it is, aug 27th...

he's closer to going on IR, than he is to rushing for 100 yards in any game this season.

So you really are blind then.As for the rising/falling article......I 100% disagree w/ Portis. I think he will be Top 10 this year. Recent reports have him practicing in full this week.

 

[Jason Wood]

I disagree on McNabb, I think he's falling..He hasn't looked that impressive in preseason, and we know its only a matter of time before he's hurt, again.

Portis won't even play this season, the guy can't cut on the knee yet, he's constantly battling swelling and soreness..and thats not even his biggest concern, the surgically repaired shoulder is more worrisome, he hasn't even taken a single hit on that shoulder yet. I just can't see the guy playing at all in 2007..he can only run in a traight line,and here it is, aug 27th...

he's closer to going on IR, than he is to rushing for 100 yards in any game this season.

So you really are blind then.As for the rising/falling article......I 100% disagree w/ Portis. I think he will be Top 10 this year.

Portis is a very divisive player this year, but how a guy with his injury history coming off tendinitis that facilitated a visit to Dr. Andrews is going to end up top 10, has me scratching my head.

 

[Banger]

I disagree on McNabb, I think he's falling..He hasn't looked that impressive in preseason, and we know its only a matter of time before he's hurt, again.

Portis won't even play this season, the guy can't cut on the knee yet, he's constantly battling swelling and soreness..and thats not even his biggest concern, the surgically repaired shoulder is more worrisome, he hasn't even taken a single hit on that shoulder yet. I just can't see the guy playing at all in 2007..he can only run in a traight line,and here it is, aug 27th...

he's closer to going on IR, than he is to rushing for 100 yards in any game this season.

So you really are blind then.As for the rising/falling article......I 100% disagree w/ Portis. I think he will be Top 10 this year.

Portis is a very divisive player this year, but how a guy with his injury history coming off tendinitis that facilitated a visit to Dr. Andrews is going to end up top 10, has me scratching my head.

He had no injury history before last year and that consisted of a shoulder injury from tackling someone and a broken hand. As long as he plays, which I believe he will, he has an excellent shot to end up top 10. Heck, Betts ended up 10th last year and he isn't half the back Portis is.

 

[packersfan]

I disagree on McNabb, I think he's falling..He hasn't looked that impressive in preseason, and we know its only a matter of time before he's hurt, again.

Portis won't even play this season, the guy can't cut on the knee yet, he's constantly battling swelling and soreness..and thats not even his biggest concern, the surgically repaired shoulder is more worrisome, he hasn't even taken a single hit on that shoulder yet. I just can't see the guy playing at all in 2007..he can only run in a traight line,and here it is, aug 27th...

he's closer to going on IR, than he is to rushing for 100 yards in any game this season.

So you really are blind then.As for the rising/falling article......I 100% disagree w/ Portis. I think he will be Top 10 this year.

Portis is a very divisive player this year, but how a guy with his injury history coming off tendinitis that facilitated a visit to Dr. Andrews is going to end up top 10, has me scratching my head.

I agree. I'm a huge Portis fan but all the missed practice time is a major red flag in my opinion. When's the last time he practiced fully? When's the last time he practiced fully on consecutive days? As I've said in the Portis thread, I could care less that he didn't play in the preseason; it's all the missed practice work and the fact by his own admission he says he isn't healthy which are the major red flags.

 

[Jason Wood]

I disagree on McNabb, I think he's falling..He hasn't looked that impressive in preseason, and we know its only a matter of time before he's hurt, again.

Portis won't even play this season, the guy can't cut on the knee yet, he's constantly battling swelling and soreness..and thats not even his biggest concern, the surgically repaired shoulder is more worrisome, he hasn't even taken a single hit on that shoulder yet. I just can't see the guy playing at all in 2007..he can only run in a traight line,and here it is, aug 27th...

he's closer to going on IR, than he is to rushing for 100 yards in any game this season.

So you really are blind then.As for the rising/falling article......I 100% disagree w/ Portis. I think he will be Top 10 this year.

Portis is a very divisive player this year, but how a guy with his injury history coming off tendinitis that facilitated a visit to Dr. Andrews is going to end up top 10, has me scratching my head.

He had no injury history before last year and that consisted of a shoulder injury from tackling someone and a broken hand. As long as he plays, which I believe he will, he has an excellent shot to end up top 10. Heck, Betts ended up 10th last year and he isn't half the back Portis is.

I'm not going to get into yet another Portis argument, but he's been a game-time decision or Questionable more times than I care to remember; both in Denver and Washington. You know that Banger. Now if you want to argue that the tendinitis really isn't a big deal, and that were this the regular season he would be suiting up, I'm all for that. Will I be shocked if Portis puts up top-12 numbers? No, he was 6th in 2005 and 11th in 2004 so there's clearly history of that as a Skin. And as you said, Betts was a top-10 runner despite starting only part of the season. But do I think Portis IS going to finish that high? I genuinely don't and think he's among the most overvalued RBs going in the first few rounds.

 

[Deranged Hermit]

I disagree on McNabb, I think he's falling..He hasn't looked that impressive in preseason, and we know its only a matter of time before he's hurt, again.

Portis won't even play this season, the guy can't cut on the knee yet, he's constantly battling swelling and soreness..and thats not even his biggest concern, the surgically repaired shoulder is more worrisome, he hasn't even taken a single hit on that shoulder yet. I just can't see the guy playing at all in 2007..he can only run in a traight line,and here it is, aug 27th...

he's closer to going on IR, than he is to rushing for 100 yards in any game this season.

So you really are blind then.As for the rising/falling article......I 100% disagree w/ Portis. I think he will be Top 10 this year.

Portis is a very divisive player this year, but how a guy with his injury history coming off tendinitis that facilitated a visit to Dr. Andrews is going to end up top 10, has me scratching my head.

He had no injury history before last year and that consisted of a shoulder injury from tackling someone and a broken hand. As long as he plays, which I believe he will, he has an excellent shot to end up top 10. Heck, Betts ended up 10th last year and he isn't half the back Portis is.

I'm not going to get into yet another Portis argument, but he's been a game-time decision or Questionable more times than I care to remember; both in Denver and Washington. You know that Banger. Now if you want to argue that the tendinitis really isn't a big deal, and that were this the regular season he would be suiting up, I'm all for that. Will I be shocked if Portis puts up top-12 numbers? No, he was 6th in 2005 and 11th in 2004 so there's clearly history of that as a Skin. And as you said, Betts was a top-10 runner despite starting only part of the season. But do I think Portis IS going to finish that high? I genuinely don't and think he's among the most overvalued RBs going in the first few rounds.

I agree. Someone else can take the gamble on Portis because I'll never draft him anywhere close to to his current ADP.

 

[Michael Fox Fan]

I disagree on McNabb, I think he's falling..He hasn't looked that impressive in preseason, and we know its only a matter of time before he's hurt, again.

Portis won't even play this season, the guy can't cut on the knee yet, he's constantly battling swelling and soreness..and thats not even his biggest concern, the surgically repaired shoulder is more worrisome, he hasn't even taken a single hit on that shoulder yet. I just can't see the guy playing at all in 2007..he can only run in a traight line,and here it is, aug 27th...

he's closer to going on IR, than he is to rushing for 100 yards in any game this season.

So you really are blind then.As for the rising/falling article......I 100% disagree w/ Portis. I think he will be Top 10 this year.

Portis is a very divisive player this year, but how a guy with his injury history coming off tendinitis that facilitated a visit to Dr. Andrews is going to end up top 10, has me scratching my head.

He had no injury history before last year and that consisted of a shoulder injury from tackling someone and a broken hand. As long as he plays, which I believe he will, he has an excellent shot to end up top 10. Heck, Betts ended up 10th last year and he isn't half the back Portis is.

I'm not going to get into yet another Portis argument, but he's been a game-time decision or Questionable more times than I care to remember; both in Denver and Washington. You know that Banger. Now if you want to argue that the tendinitis really isn't a big deal, and that were this the regular season he would be suiting up, I'm all for that. Will I be shocked if Portis puts up top-12 numbers? No, he was 6th in 2005 and 11th in 2004 so there's clearly history of that as a Skin. And as you said, Betts was a top-10 runner despite starting only part of the season. But do I think Portis IS going to finish that high? I genuinely don't and think he's among the most overvalued RBs going in the first few rounds.

He has the ability to put up top-10 numbers....and he has a history of producing at that level. His hand and shoulder - which were concerns last year - are both healed. The only new issue is this phantom "tendenitis", conjured up by Gibbs and Portis to keep him out of preseason games. Does his knee bother him? Probably. Do most football players have sore body parts? Probably.I don't understand how he's overvalued. The guy is often going in rounds 4-5. Would you really rank him in the same grouping as Ahman Green or Jamal Lewis? I wouldn't. Portis has FAR more upside than washed up dudes like that.

 

[ChromeWeasel]

I disagree on McNabb, I think he's falling..He hasn't looked that impressive in preseason, and we know its only a matter of time before he's hurt, again.

Portis won't even play this season, the guy can't cut on the knee yet, he's constantly battling swelling and soreness..and thats not even his biggest concern, the surgically repaired shoulder is more worrisome, he hasn't even taken a single hit on that shoulder yet. I just can't see the guy playing at all in 2007..he can only run in a traight line,and here it is, aug 27th...

he's closer to going on IR, than he is to rushing for 100 yards in any game this season.

So you really are blind then.As for the rising/falling article......I 100% disagree w/ Portis. I think he will be Top 10 this year.

Portis is a very divisive player this year, but how a guy with his injury history coming off tendinitis that facilitated a visit to Dr. Andrews is going to end up top 10, has me scratching my head.

He had no injury history before last year and that consisted of a shoulder injury from tackling someone and a broken hand. As long as he plays, which I believe he will, he has an excellent shot to end up top 10. Heck, Betts ended up 10th last year and he isn't half the back Portis is.

I'm not going to get into yet another Portis argument, but he's been a game-time decision or Questionable more times than I care to remember; both in Denver and Washington. You know that Banger. Now if you want to argue that the tendinitis really isn't a big deal, and that were this the regular season he would be suiting up, I'm all for that. Will I be shocked if Portis puts up top-12 numbers? No, he was 6th in 2005 and 11th in 2004 so there's clearly history of that as a Skin. And as you said, Betts was a top-10 runner despite starting only part of the season. But do I think Portis IS going to finish that high? I genuinely don't and think he's among the most overvalued RBs going in the first few rounds.

Has anyone here had bad tendinitis? It's not debilitating. If you can handle the discomfort, you can move at full speed. You treat it with rest, which is what Portis is doing. With all the treatment and painkillers used at the NFL level, I'm not worried about the tendinitis keeping anyone off the field in the regular season.

 

[PantherPower]

Portis will win a LOT of smart sharks FF titles this year. Getting him in the late 2nd, 3rd, even 4th round, that's INSANITY! He's a top 10 back, and if an AVERAGE back like Betts can run for 1000+ last year, what do you think Portis is going to do? Those 7 TDs in the first half of the season, while still banged up, are a very positive, telling sign of things to come this year.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

What's wrong with Campbell's mechanics?

 

[Jason Wood]

What's wrong with Campbell's mechanics?

Erratic, particularly when flushed out of the pocket. His release point and arm angle are inconsistent; which speaks to his troubles with accuracy. Correctable? Sure, but a concern?

 

[bostonfred]

I think the fact that Portis is practicing and may play soon means his stock is rising now. His stock had fallen pretty far before, but the same logic that you used to say McNabb is rising from your earlier low ranking should have Portis rising a little now, too.