Rob Gronkowski - Dynasty Value Discussion (1 Viewer)

[Run It Up]

In a few dynasty startups, all of which have 1.5 TEPPR. Seriously considering when he should go in a startup this season and if he is a great buy-now at his value.

Obviously if he stays healthy he could be a better TE prospect than Graham. Just curious what others think about his dynasty value.

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[ConnSKINS26]

Just went 1.13 this week in a 14 team PPR start-up. TE Premium. That has potential to be one of the best picks in the entire draft if he returns fully to form.

 

[Concept Coop]

I like him as a top 5-6 player in standard formats. In TE heavy formats, like him more, obviously.

He's one of the best fantasy players ever, per game, and is 24 years old. There is some risk, but the market, in my opinion, is being very silly in its recent devaluation of him.

 

[JustinHawkins]

I recently traded for him, and then turned around and sold him, which I am honestly now regretting a little. 12 team PPR dynasty league

Acquired him for this deal:

Gave: Crabtree, Jeffery, M. Bennett, Flynn

Got: Gronk, Stephen Hill, Geno Smith

Then moved him in this deal:

Gave: Gronk, Boyce, Kendell Hunter

Got: Fitz, Jordy Nelson, D. Allen

Can't complain as I netted some MUCH needed weekly starters at WR. But keeping Gronk would have been nice. I do have Olsen, Cook, and D. Allen at least...

 

[Run It Up]

I recently traded for him, and then turned around and sold him, which I am honestly now regretting a little. 12 team PPR dynasty league

Acquired him for this deal:

Gave: Crabtree, Jeffery, M. Bennett, Flynn

Got: Gronk, Stephen Hill, Geno Smith

Then moved him in this deal:

Gave: Gronk, Boyce, Kendell Hunter

Got: Fitz, Jordy Nelson, D. Allen

Can't complain as I netted some MUCH needed weekly starters at WR. But keeping Gronk would have been nice. I do have Olsen, Cook, and D. Allen at least...

I love Gronk, but you've got some nice depth at the position.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

I'd trade up to take him at 1.01 in that format -- but given all of the negativity surrounding him this offseason I don't think you'll have to. You can probably just let him come to you in the mid / even late 1st.

 

[Run It Up]

I'd trade up to take him at 1.01 in that format -- but given all of the negativity surrounding him this offseason I don't think you'll have to. You can probably just let him come to you in the mid / even late 1st.

In the process of trading up to the 1.02 from the 1.07 in a 3RR.

Sinking feeling I could get Gronk at the 1.07.

 

[Concept Coop]

I'd trade up to take him at 1.01 in that format -- but given all of the negativity surrounding him this offseason I don't think you'll have to. You can probably just let him come to you in the mid / even late 1st.

In the process of trading up to the 1.02 from the 1.07 in a 3RR.

Sinking feeling I could get Gronk at the 1.07.

He lasted to 1.10 in the last 1.5PP(TE) draft I was in. You can always hold tight, then make a big offer if he goes ahead of you.

 

[ghostguy123]

In 1.5 ppr for te, graham and gronk are both in my top 5. In a 14 team league they are probably top 2.

 

[ghostguy123]

But yes, all drafts I have seen have gronk more often than not as a later 1st.

 

[Adam Harstad]

I like him as a top 5-6 player in standard formats. In TE heavy formats, like him more, obviously.

He's one of the best fantasy players ever, per game, and is 24 years old. There is some risk, but the market, in my opinion, is being very silly in its recent devaluation of him.

I just recently did a startup with extremely TE-heavy scoring (1.5 PPR and 0.15 points per yard). I initially owned the 9th pick, and contacted everyone with a top 5 pick desperately trying to trade up. Picks #1 and #2 weren't biting, but they drafted Martin and Calvin. Picks #4 and #5 likewise weren't willing to sell, but I managed to trade up to pick #3 and gladly took Rob Gronkowski there, even with Graham still on the board. If #1 had bitten instead of #3, I would have drafted Gronkowski at #1, instead.

Gronk's injury troubles have made the competition with Graham much closer than it was, but I still think Gronkowski has the edge. For starters, he's two and a half years younger, which goes a long way towards mitigating the injury disadvantage. Graham's one of those guys who I keep having to remind myself how old he is, because it keeps surprising me. Jimmy Graham is older than Jermichael Finley. Jimmy Graham is older than Jared Cook. Jimmy Graham is older than Martellus Bennett. Graham isn't old by any stretch of the imagination (he's just 26, which is still at the beginning of his prime), but it feels like he should be younger than he is. And, as good as Graham has been, he really hasn't been close to Gronkowski when Gronk has been on the field. It's like Adrian Peterson vs. Marshawn Lynch. Lynch is an All Pro coming off back-to-back top-5 finishes, but as a difference maker, he lags well behind Peterson.

In hindsight, it might have been smarter for me from a value-maximizing standpoint to have drafted Graham with the #3 pick and then offered to trade Graham and my 7th rounder for Gronk and whoever's 6th rounder (or some such). Given the expert rankings (about 95% of which feature Graham over Gronk) and the ADP data (which has Graham going about 8-10 picks before Gronk right now), I probably could have drafted Graham and then traded him, netting me Gronk plus a little bit of extra value later in the draft. Still, I'm happy that at the end of the day I managed to get the guy I wanted without having to cross my fingers and hope for the best.

 

[Penguin]

I almost feel guilty for stealing him at pick 27 in a Phenoms PPR start up last month

 

[ghostguy123]

I almost feel guilty for stealing him at pick 27 in a Phenoms PPR start up last month

Don't feel guilty, it isn't stealing if they are too silly to take what is being handed to them.

 

[ZWK]

In 0 PPR leagues I take Gronk over Graham, since he scores 1.5x as much as Graham in terms of VBD per game (historically). That is enough to make up for the injury risk. Graham will give you more games (in expectation) but probably not 1.5 as many.

In 1.5 PPR I prefer Graham, since Gronk is only worth about 1.25x as much as Graham in that format, in VBD per game.

Gronk's advantage is in touchdowns, so when you add more points for anything else that narrows the gap between them. Another way to look at it: in 0 PPR, 2 games of Gronk is worth 3 games of Graham. In 1.5 PPR, 4 games of Gronk is worth 5 games of Graham.

Exact numbers: In 0 PPR leagues, Gronk had 1.77x as much VBD per game as Graham last year and 1.44x in 2011. For 1.5 PPR, 1.28x and 1.21x. (Assuming 12 teams, no TE flex. Baseline ppg determined by sorting TEs by ppg, and going down the list until the total games played adds up to 204, which is 12 starting slots x 17 weeks.)

 

[Tanner9919]

1st round is too early to select Gronkowski..a bad back, bad ankles, bad forearm, for a player who'll be triple covered now that NE offense is without 5 guys who caught 40+ passes each last season..defenses will key on Gronk and he'll be stifled by the coverage..

Jimmy Graham will be more productive , but the pink elephant in the room is J. Witten, who'll lkely see a huge uptick in TDs - just read whats happening in Dallas training camp, they're throwing to Witten at the goalline now..

and Witten is probably a 3rd round selection? money in the bank for who likely is the most consistent fantasy player,atleast in PPR, ever..

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Baseline ppg determined by sorting TEs by ppg, and going down the list until the total games played adds up to 204, which is 12 starting slots x 17 weeks.)

Oooh... I like this. How consistent is that from year to year?

 

[Adam Harstad]

In 0 PPR leagues I take Gronk over Graham, since he scores 1.5x as much as Graham in terms of VBD per game (historically). That is enough to make up for the injury risk. Graham will give you more games (in expectation) but probably not 1.5 as many.

In 1.5 PPR I prefer Graham, since Gronk is only worth about 1.25x as much as Graham in that format, in VBD per game.

Gronk's advantage is in touchdowns, so when you add more points for anything else that narrows the gap between them. Another way to look at it: in 0 PPR, 2 games of Gronk is worth 3 games of Graham. In 1.5 PPR, 4 games of Gronk is worth 5 games of Graham.

Exact numbers: In 0 PPR leagues, Gronk had 1.77x as much VBD per game as Graham last year and 1.44x in 2011. For 1.5 PPR, 1.28x and 1.21x. (Assuming 12 teams, no TE flex. Baseline ppg determined by sorting TEs by ppg, and going down the list until the total games played adds up to 204, which is 12 starting slots x 17 weeks.)

The relative VBD difference might change, but the absolute VBD difference remains huge. By my back-of-the-envelope calculations, In non-PPR leagues last year, Gronk scored about 2.9 points per game more than Graham (the number increases to 3.1 if you exclude week 17). In a yardage-heavy league I play (0.2 points for all yards), that jumps to 3.0 points (3.5 if you exclude week 17). In the crazy league I mentioned earlier (1.5 PPR + 0.15 points per yard for TEs only), the gap was 2.3 points (3.5 if you exclude week 17). I understand that the relative VBD difference tells us how many more games Graham has to play to even up their value (the smaller the relative difference, the fewer extra games Graham needs), but the absolute difference is what matters when they're both on the field (a 3 point VBD advantage is a 3 point VBD advantage whether you average 4 VBD a week or 40, and Gronk is averaging around a 3 point VBD advantage in all formats).

And like I said, Gronkowski is 2.5 years younger, which is a not-insignificant difference for dynasty, even if both are far from the downslope of their careers. I would say that I would expect Gronk to have more games remaining in his career than Graham, even with the front-loaded injury concerns.

 

[Adam Harstad]

1st round is too early to select Gronkowski..a bad back, bad ankles, bad forearm, for a player who'll be triple covered now that NE offense is without 5 guys who caught 40+ passes each last season..defenses will key on Gronk and he'll be stifled by the coverage..

Jimmy Graham will be more productive , but the pink elephant in the room is J. Witten, who'll lkely see a huge uptick in TDs - just read whats happening in Dallas training camp, they're throwing to Witten at the goalline now..

and Witten is probably a 3rd round selection? money in the bank for who likely is the most consistent fantasy player,atleast in PPR, ever..

Witten is 31, his yards per route run has been declining precipitously for the last four years, Dez is commanding a larger share of the offense, and the entire Cowboys franchise is teetering on the brink of a cap hell as bad as the one now facing the Oakland Raiders. In the last four years, Romo has thrown 96 touchdowns and just 12 of them (1 in 8) have gone to Witten, so I find it hard to expect a huge uptick in 2013 based on a few goal-line drills in training camp.

Witten is a mess of red flags, and I probably wouldn't draft him in a dynasty startup unless he fell to the 5th round, even in PPR leagues. In non-PPR, I'd consider Witten nearly undraftable in startups. He hasn't produced decent fantasy value with Romo under center since 2007, and history has been rather unkind to TEs on the wrong side of 30, Tony Gonzalez notwithstanding.

 

[msudaisy26]

I have had a hard time buying him in dynasty formats so far. His value hasn't taken much of a hit with his owners. I was told in one dynasty league that it would take Spiller + to get him and in a keeper league was told it would take A.J. Green or Calvin straight up for him. Both are PPR scoring

 

[zed2283]

Just traded the 1.2 rookie pick for Gronk. His former owner thinks he's going to break down. I'm betting (hoping) he doesn't.

 

[Run It Up]

Just traded the 1.2 rookie pick for Gronk. His former owner thinks he's going to break down. I'm betting (hoping) he doesn't.

Disgusting, great trade imo; sure the rest of your league will be thrilled.

 

[ZWK]

Baseline ppg determined by sorting TEs by ppg, and going down the list until the total games played adds up to 204, which is 12 starting slots x 17 weeks.)

Oooh... I like this. How consistent is that from year to year?

For TEs in 0 PPR (12-team, no flex), over the past 3 years baseline has been 6.21, 6.03, and 6.01 ppg (which translates into 99.3, 96.5, and 96.2 per 16 games). That is very consistent, but the standard method of just looking at the last starter (TE12) has also been extremely consistent, and very similar: 95.8, 97.6, and 96.2.

With RBs, last-starter has been much less consistent - RB24 has scored 119.2, 148.4, and 138.1. This ppg method has been much more consistent (though not as much as with TEs), with baselines of 8.49, 8.97, and 8.89 ppg (which is 135.9, 143.5, and 142.2 per 16 games).

 

[ZWK]

In 0 PPR leagues I take Gronk over Graham, since he scores 1.5x as much as Graham in terms of VBD per game (historically). That is enough to make up for the injury risk. Graham will give you more games (in expectation) but probably not 1.5 as many.

In 1.5 PPR I prefer Graham, since Gronk is only worth about 1.25x as much as Graham in that format, in VBD per game.

Gronk's advantage is in touchdowns, so when you add more points for anything else that narrows the gap between them. Another way to look at it: in 0 PPR, 2 games of Gronk is worth 3 games of Graham. In 1.5 PPR, 4 games of Gronk is worth 5 games of Graham.

Exact numbers: In 0 PPR leagues, Gronk had 1.77x as much VBD per game as Graham last year and 1.44x in 2011. For 1.5 PPR, 1.28x and 1.21x. (Assuming 12 teams, no TE flex. Baseline ppg determined by sorting TEs by ppg, and going down the list until the total games played adds up to 204, which is 12 starting slots x 17 weeks.)

The relative VBD difference might change, but the absolute VBD difference remains huge. By my back-of-the-envelope calculations, In non-PPR leagues last year, Gronk scored about 2.9 points per game more than Graham (the number increases to 3.1 if you exclude week 17). In a yardage-heavy league I play (0.2 points for all yards), that jumps to 3.0 points (3.5 if you exclude week 17). In the crazy league I mentioned earlier (1.5 PPR + 0.15 points per yard for TEs only), the gap was 2.3 points (3.5 if you exclude week 17). I understand that the relative VBD difference tells us how many more games Graham has to play to even up their value (the smaller the relative difference, the fewer extra games Graham needs), but the absolute difference is what matters when they're both on the field (a 3 point VBD advantage is a 3 point VBD advantage whether you average 4 VBD a week or 40, and Gronk is averaging around a 3 point VBD advantage in all formats).

And like I said, Gronkowski is 2.5 years younger, which is a not-insignificant difference for dynasty, even if both are far from the downslope of their careers. I would say that I would expect Gronk to have more games remaining in his career than Graham, even with the front-loaded injury concerns.

I think we're in agreement about how to do the analysis. I'm just more worried than you are about Gronk missing games or having a shortened career because of his bad back. I expect Graham to have more games remaining in his career.

 

[Run It Up]

In 0 PPR leagues I take Gronk over Graham, since he scores 1.5x as much as Graham in terms of VBD per game (historically). That is enough to make up for the injury risk. Graham will give you more games (in expectation) but probably not 1.5 as many.

In 1.5 PPR I prefer Graham, since Gronk is only worth about 1.25x as much as Graham in that format, in VBD per game.

Gronk's advantage is in touchdowns, so when you add more points for anything else that narrows the gap between them. Another way to look at it: in 0 PPR, 2 games of Gronk is worth 3 games of Graham. In 1.5 PPR, 4 games of Gronk is worth 5 games of Graham.

Exact numbers: In 0 PPR leagues, Gronk had 1.77x as much VBD per game as Graham last year and 1.44x in 2011. For 1.5 PPR, 1.28x and 1.21x. (Assuming 12 teams, no TE flex. Baseline ppg determined by sorting TEs by ppg, and going down the list until the total games played adds up to 204, which is 12 starting slots x 17 weeks.)

The relative VBD difference might change, but the absolute VBD difference remains huge. By my back-of-the-envelope calculations, In non-PPR leagues last year, Gronk scored about 2.9 points per game more than Graham (the number increases to 3.1 if you exclude week 17). In a yardage-heavy league I play (0.2 points for all yards), that jumps to 3.0 points (3.5 if you exclude week 17). In the crazy league I mentioned earlier (1.5 PPR + 0.15 points per yard for TEs only), the gap was 2.3 points (3.5 if you exclude week 17). I understand that the relative VBD difference tells us how many more games Graham has to play to even up their value (the smaller the relative difference, the fewer extra games Graham needs), but the absolute difference is what matters when they're both on the field (a 3 point VBD advantage is a 3 point VBD advantage whether you average 4 VBD a week or 40, and Gronk is averaging around a 3 point VBD advantage in all formats).

And like I said, Gronkowski is 2.5 years younger, which is a not-insignificant difference for dynasty, even if both are far from the downslope of their careers. I would say that I would expect Gronk to have more games remaining in his career than Graham, even with the front-loaded injury concerns.

I think we're in agreement about how to do the analysis. I'm just more worried than you are about Gronk missing games or having a shortened career because of his bad back. I expect Graham to have more games remaining in his career.

Joke will be on all of us, when we take Graham this year with the intention of trading for Gronk if we want out, and hes been healthy for two season and is breaking more records.

And then Brady retires

Anyone think Brees will be playing at 38 when Brady is still playing at 40?

 

[KellysHeroes]

you guys know what your getting into, a guy who produces hughly when he plays. Just a have a good back up plan

 

[Skeletore Eh]

1st round is too early to select Gronkowski..a bad back, bad ankles, bad forearm, for a player who'll be triple covered now that NE offense is without 5 guys who caught 40+ passes each last season..defenses will key on Gronk and he'll be stifled by the coverage..

Jimmy Graham will be more productive , but the pink elephant in the room is J. Witten, who'll lkely see a huge uptick in TDs - just read whats happening in Dallas training camp, they're throwing to Witten at the goalline now..

and Witten is probably a 3rd round selection? money in the bank for who likely is the most consistent fantasy player,atleast in PPR, ever..

Witten is 31, his yards per route run has been declining precipitously for the last four years, Dez is commanding a larger share of the offense, and the entire Cowboys franchise is teetering on the brink of a cap hell as bad as the one now facing the Oakland Raiders. In the last four years, Romo has thrown 96 touchdowns and just 12 of them (1 in 8) have gone to Witten, so I find it hard to expect a huge uptick in 2013 based on a few goal-line drills in training camp.

Witten is a mess of red flags, and I probably wouldn't draft him in a dynasty startup unless he fell to the 5th round, even in PPR leagues. In non-PPR, I'd consider Witten nearly undraftable in startups. He hasn't produced decent fantasy value with Romo under center since 2007, and history has been rather unkind to TEs on the wrong side of 30, Tony Gonzalez notwithstanding.

Witten hasn't produced decent fantasy numbers since 2007?

He was te 2 last year and te 4 the year before

 

[KellysHeroes]

1st round is too early to select Gronkowski..a bad back, bad ankles, bad forearm, for a player who'll be triple covered now that NE offense is without 5 guys who caught 40+ passes each last season..defenses will key on Gronk and he'll be stifled by the coverage..

Jimmy Graham will be more productive , but the pink elephant in the room is J. Witten, who'll lkely see a huge uptick in TDs - just read whats happening in Dallas training camp, they're throwing to Witten at the goalline now..

and Witten is probably a 3rd round selection? money in the bank for who likely is the most consistent fantasy player,atleast in PPR, ever..

Witten is 31, his yards per route run has been declining precipitously for the last four years, Dez is commanding a larger share of the offense, and the entire Cowboys franchise is teetering on the brink of a cap hell as bad as the one now facing the Oakland Raiders. In the last four years, Romo has thrown 96 touchdowns and just 12 of them (1 in 8) have gone to Witten, so I find it hard to expect a huge uptick in 2013 based on a few goal-line drills in training camp.

Witten is a mess of red flags, and I probably wouldn't draft him in a dynasty startup unless he fell to the 5th round, even in PPR leagues. In non-PPR, I'd consider Witten nearly undraftable in startups. He hasn't produced decent fantasy value with Romo under center since 2007, and history has been rather unkind to TEs on the wrong side of 30, Tony Gonzalez notwithstanding.

Witten hasn't produced decent fantasy numbers since 2007?

He was te 2 last year and te 4 the year before

Witten is great in PPR because Dallas hasn't had much of a run game or oline in yrs while Witten is making a living off 4 yard dumps ala Pettigrew, difference is JW actually catches the balls equaling anywhere from mid 80s to 100+. But don't be fooled, hes slowed down a lot, hes not out running anybody on the field anymore but uses his superior body control to catch balls while gaining nothing just like Gonzo. It feels like yrs since hes scored a TD.

 

[Eminence]

When he plays with Brady, he's gold. I would love to have him on my team.

 

[ghostguy123]

Just traded the 1.2 rookie pick for Gronk. His former owner thinks he's going to break down. I'm betting (hoping) he doesn't.

If I think the 100 dollar bill is going to become obsolete soon, I will go trade it for a couple 50 dollar bills.................not a 20 dollar bill.

What a stupid, stupid trade by that guy. If I offered pick 2 for Gronk in any league I am in they would have a petition to get me kicked out of the league, and never speak to me again..............let alone it actually being accepted.

 

[ghostguy123]

you guys know what your getting into, a guy who produces hughly when he plays. Just a have a good back up plan

All you need is a very "average" back up, and just hope Gronk is active for the playoffs.

If the dude plays 8 total games, and you use some waiver wire TE for the other 8, you will still probably score top 4-5 TE points in your league.

 

[Zdravko]

David Wilson and Jordan Cameron

for

Rob Gronkowski

Most of the league thinks the guy giving Gronk is getting the better deal

 

[ghostguy123]

David Wilson and Jordan Cameron

for

Rob Gronkowski

Most of the league thinks the guy giving Gronk is getting the better deal

I sure don't.

I am not saying it's horrible or anything. However I live in Cleveland and Cameron is anything but a sure thing, at all. Wilson is talented, but still is also not any kind of sure thing.

And by "sure thing" I mean productive when playing. Gronk is DEFINITELY a sure thing as far as that goes.

 

[Concept Coop]

1st round is too early to select Gronkowski..a bad back, bad ankles, bad forearm, for a player who'll be triple covered now that NE offense is without

My understanding is that his forearm is no longer an issue. The infection is gone and it is no more likely to break again than anyone elses. His ankle is fine too, and didn't give him problems last year.

His back is a question, but I haven't heard anything suggesting it a chronic problem. He had the same surgery on a different disk and it has been fine since.

 

[ShaHBucks]

I just read someone say Gronk is this years Adrian Peterson. I think from a risk/reward standpoint that is the most accurate discription I've heard.

 

[KellysHeroes]

David Wilson and Jordan Cameron

for

Rob Gronkowski

Most of the league thinks the guy giving Gronk is getting the better deal

I sure don't.

I am not saying it's horrible or anything. However I live in Cleveland and Cameron is anything but a sure thing, at all. Wilson is talented, but still is also not any kind of sure thing.

And by "sure thing" I mean productive when playing. Gronk is DEFINITELY a sure thing as far as that goes.

own D Wilson and wouldn't give him straight up for Gronk nevermind giving Cameron as well.

 

[Banger]

David Wilson and Jordan Cameron

for

Rob Gronkowski

Most of the league thinks the guy giving Gronk is getting the better deal

I sure don't.

I am not saying it's horrible or anything. However I live in Cleveland and Cameron is anything but a sure thing, at all. Wilson is talented, but still is also not any kind of sure thing.

And by "sure thing" I mean productive when playing. Gronk is DEFINITELY a sure thing as far as that goes.

own D Wilson and wouldn't give him straight up for Gronk nevermind giving Cameron as well.

must have some really lofty expectations.....

 

[Run It Up]

David Wilson and Jordan Cameron

for

Rob Gronkowski

Most of the league thinks the guy giving Gronk is getting the better deal

I sure don't.

I am not saying it's horrible or anything. However I live in Cleveland and Cameron is anything but a sure thing, at all. Wilson is talented, but still is also not any kind of sure thing.

And by "sure thing" I mean productive when playing. Gronk is DEFINITELY a sure thing as far as that goes.

own D Wilson and wouldn't give him straight up for Gronk nevermind giving Cameron as well.

must have some really lofty expectations.....

Tom Coughlin and Andre Brown die in the same plane crash.

 

[Concept Coop]

David Wilson and Jordan Cameron

for

Rob Gronkowski

Most of the league thinks the guy giving Gronk is getting the better deal

I sure don't.

I am not saying it's horrible or anything. However I live in Cleveland and Cameron is anything but a sure thing, at all. Wilson is talented, but still is also not any kind of sure thing.

And by "sure thing" I mean productive when playing. Gronk is DEFINITELY a sure thing as far as that goes.

own D Wilson and wouldn't give him straight up for Gronk nevermind giving Cameron as well.

must have some really lofty expectations.....

Tom Coughlin and Andre Brown die in the same plane crash.

Not even then.

He's a 24 YO Calvin that you can start at TE.

 

[KellysHeroes]

David Wilson and Jordan Cameron

for

Rob Gronkowski

Most of the league thinks the guy giving Gronk is getting the better deal

I sure don't.

I am not saying it's horrible or anything. However I live in Cleveland and Cameron is anything but a sure thing, at all. Wilson is talented, but still is also not any kind of sure thing.

And by "sure thing" I mean productive when playing. Gronk is DEFINITELY a sure thing as far as that goes.

own D Wilson and wouldn't give him straight up for Gronk nevermind giving Cameron as well.

must have some really lofty expectations.....

Tom Coughlin and Andre Brown die in the same plane crash.

Not even then.

He's a 24 YO Calvin that you can start at TE.

How many games did Calvin miss his 1st 4 yrs (I know Gronk has only been in 3 but its looking like hes going to miss at min 6 games this yr)? How many back surgeries has Calvin had?

So if people, me included, rather have a healthy young explosive RB than injury prone Gronk thats our opinion.

 

[Concept Coop]

David Wilson and Jordan Cameron

for

Rob Gronkowski

Most of the league thinks the guy giving Gronk is getting the better deal

I sure don't.

I am not saying it's horrible or anything. However I live in Cleveland and Cameron is anything but a sure thing, at all. Wilson is talented, but still is also not any kind of sure thing.

And by "sure thing" I mean productive when playing. Gronk is DEFINITELY a sure thing as far as that goes.

own D Wilson and wouldn't give him straight up for Gronk nevermind giving Cameron as well.

must have some really lofty expectations.....

Tom Coughlin and Andre Brown die in the same plane crash.

Not even then.

He's a 24 YO Calvin that you can start at TE.

How many games did Calvin miss his 1st 4 yrs (I know Gronk has only been in 3 but its looking like hes going to miss at min 6 games this yr)? How many back surgeries has Calvin had?

So if people, me included, rather have a healthy young explosive RB than injury prone Gronk thats our opinion.

Gronk MIGHT miss 6 games; not 6 games minimum. He could be ready week 1, or they could keep him on the active roster and play him when he's ready, between weeks 1-6. And we're talking about a dynasty league - what are the odds that David Wilson helps you win your league over the first 6 games of this season?

I understand the concern about his back, but I don't agree with the end conclusion that he's injury prone. The second surgery was unrelated to the first (disk), and he bounced back from the first quite well, I'd say.

I couldn't personally take an unknown over Gronk, at the very least. The hit rate for those in Wilson's shoes is close to 50/50. And those that hit aren't always historic.

 

[msudaisy26]

I stated this earlier that I tried to buy him in my keeper leagues.

My take is if you can get him for the late 2nd or early 3rd round price that he is going for in start up dynasty I would do it in a heart beat. If you have to pay the late first round price for him I would say hold off.

 

[Run It Up]

I stated this earlier that I tried to buy him in my keeper leagues.

My take is if you can get him for the late 2nd or early 3rd round price that he is going for in start up dynasty I would do it in a heart beat. If you have to pay the late first round price for him I would say hold off.

I don't see Gronk going later than the 13th pick in any dynasty start up where you have to start a TE, there is no way he will ever be there in the 2nd or 3rd entertaining the thought would be pointless.

 

[Pwingles]

David Wilson and Jordan Cameron

for

Rob Gronkowski

Most of the league thinks the guy giving Gronk is getting the better deal

I sure don't.

I am not saying it's horrible or anything. However I live in Cleveland and Cameron is anything but a sure thing, at all. Wilson is talented, but still is also not any kind of sure thing.

And by "sure thing" I mean productive when playing. Gronk is DEFINITELY a sure thing as far as that goes.

own D Wilson and wouldn't give him straight up for Gronk nevermind giving Cameron as well.

must have some really lofty expectations.....

Tom Coughlin and Andre Brown die in the same plane crash.

Not even then.

He's a 24 YO Calvin that you can start at TE.

How many games did Calvin miss his 1st 4 yrs (I know Gronk has only been in 3 but its looking like hes going to miss at min 6 games this yr)? How many back surgeries has Calvin had?

So if people, me included, rather have a healthy young explosive RB than injury prone Gronk thats our opinion.

Gronk MIGHT miss 6 games; not 6 games minimum. He could be ready week 1, or they could keep him on the active roster and play him when he's ready, between weeks 1-6. And we're talking about a dynasty league - what are the odds that David Wilson helps you win your league over the first 6 games of this season?

I understand the concern about his back, but I don't agree with the end conclusion that he's injury prone. The second surgery was unrelated to the first (disk), and he bounced back from the first quite well, I'd say.

I couldn't personally take an unknown over Gronk, at the very least. The hit rate for those in Wilson's shoes is close to 50/50. And those that hit aren't always historic.

Its looking increasingly possible he opens the season still on the PUP. So if thats the case, 6 games min is what itll be.

 

[msudaisy26]

I stated this earlier that I tried to buy him in my keeper leagues.

My take is if you can get him for the late 2nd or early 3rd round price that he is going for in start up dynasty I would do it in a heart beat. If you have to pay the late first round price for him I would say hold off.

I don't see Gronk going later than the 13th pick in any dynasty start up where you have to start a TE, there is no way he will ever be there in the 2nd or 3rd entertaining the thought would be pointless.

Already seen him go 2.09

 

[Concept Coop]

Its looking increasingly possible he opens the season still on the PUP. So if thats the case, 6 games min is what itll be.

It's certainly possible, but it hasn't been decided. And the Patriots don't have to place him on PUP, even if he's not ready week 1. I know it is possible and maybe it's even likely. But I don't think it's best case, yet.

 

[Penguin]

I stated this earlier that I tried to buy him in my keeper leagues.

My take is if you can get him for the late 2nd or early 3rd round price that he is going for in start up dynasty I would do it in a heart beat. If you have to pay the late first round price for him I would say hold off.

I don't see Gronk going later than the 13th pick in any dynasty start up where you have to start a TE, there is no way he will ever be there in the 2nd or 3rd entertaining the thought would be pointless.

I traded up for him at 3.03 in a 12 team TE mandatoy PPR startup last month

 

[Run It Up]

I stated this earlier that I tried to buy him in my keeper leagues.

My take is if you can get him for the late 2nd or early 3rd round price that he is going for in start up dynasty I would do it in a heart beat. If you have to pay the late first round price for him I would say hold off.

I don't see Gronk going later than the 13th pick in any dynasty start up where you have to start a TE, there is no way he will ever be there in the 2nd or 3rd entertaining the thought would be pointless.

I traded up for him at 3.03 in a 12 team TE mandatoy PPR startup last month

Where did Graham go in this league? Id love to see the first few rounds if you could, I'm really curious how this is possible.

Pro dynasty startup mock yesterday had Graham and Gronk go back to back at the 2.02 and 2.03 - that was previously the latest I had seen him go.

 

[Penguin]

I stated this earlier that I tried to buy him in my keeper leagues.

My take is if you can get him for the late 2nd or early 3rd round price that he is going for in start up dynasty I would do it in a heart beat. If you have to pay the late first round price for him I would say hold off.

I don't see Gronk going later than the 13th pick in any dynasty start up where you have to start a TE, there is no way he will ever be there in the 2nd or 3rd entertaining the thought would be pointless.

I traded up for him at 3.03 in a 12 team TE mandatoy PPR startup last month

Where did Graham go in this league? Id love to see the first few rounds if you could, I'm really curious how this is possible.

Pro dynasty startup mock yesterday had Graham and Gronk go back to back at the 2.02 and 2.03 - that was previously the latest I had seen him go.

http://football.myfantasyleague.com/2013/options?L=68219&O=17

 

[Run It Up]

I stated this earlier that I tried to buy him in my keeper leagues.

My take is if you can get him for the late 2nd or early 3rd round price that he is going for in start up dynasty I would do it in a heart beat. If you have to pay the late first round price for him I would say hold off.

I don't see Gronk going later than the 13th pick in any dynasty start up where you have to start a TE, there is no way he will ever be there in the 2nd or 3rd entertaining the thought would be pointless.

I traded up for him at 3.03 in a 12 team TE mandatoy PPR startup last month

Where did Graham go in this league? Id love to see the first few rounds if you could, I'm really curious how this is possible.

Pro dynasty startup mock yesterday had Graham and Gronk go back to back at the 2.02 and 2.03 - that was previously the latest I had seen him go.

http://football.myfantasyleague.com/2013/options?L=68219&O=17

I don't even. Very interesting draft, appreciate the link.

A lot of picks there having me scratching my head. Idk how you could find 10 other people to be as concerned about Gronk as they apparently were. Eifert went in the 10th round, Cook in the 7th, Cameron in the 12th.

Just seems like an all around horrible draft for TE value.

Its not the friendliest but its certainly a friendly scoring system for TEs, I can't discern your starting roster requirements however.

 

[Penguin]

I stated this earlier that I tried to buy him in my keeper leagues.

My take is if you can get him for the late 2nd or early 3rd round price that he is going for in start up dynasty I would do it in a heart beat. If you have to pay the late first round price for him I would say hold off.

I don't see Gronk going later than the 13th pick in any dynasty start up where you have to start a TE, there is no way he will ever be there in the 2nd or 3rd entertaining the thought would be pointless.

I traded up for him at 3.03 in a 12 team TE mandatoy PPR startup last month

Where did Graham go in this league? Id love to see the first few rounds if you could, I'm really curious how this is possible.

Pro dynasty startup mock yesterday had Graham and Gronk go back to back at the 2.02 and 2.03 - that was previously the latest I had seen him go.

http://football.myfantasyleague.com/2013/options?L=68219&O=17

I don't even. Very interesting draft, appreciate the link.

A lot of picks there having me scratching my head. Idk how you could find 10 other people to be as concerned about Gronk as they apparently were. Eifert went in the 10th round, Cook in the 7th, Cameron in the 12th.

Just seems like an all around horrible draft for TE value.

Its not the friendliest but its certainly a friendly scoring system for TEs, I can't discern your starting roster requirements however.

QB, 2RB, 3WR, TE (1 Flex RB/WR/TE)