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Rock Cartwright? (1 Viewer)

hotdogcollars

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So, I'm trying to offer Betts to the guy who has Portis on his squad. He gets all pissed at me cause I'm trying to rake him over the coals (and I am) and he picks up Rock Cartwright. He writes this big, league wide email that basically says Cartwright will get the carries if Portis sits, so f off (to me).

My question is this, is there ANY supporting evidence (previous years stats, quotes, etc...) that suggest cartwright is even in the picture at RB now? Just want to CMA before i blast this guy in my league.

 
If Betts and Portis go down, I suspect the newly acquired TJ Duckett will get the ball.

I'm not even sure I knew Cartwright was still on the roster.

 
thanks, thats what i thought. But, since he lives in DC i figured he might know something...he obviously does not know a whole lot.

 
No... your friend is just bitter...
no doubt, i was tryin to help him out too, but he went and started being a 7 year old on our league message board.oh well, i told i'd sit betts on my bench the whole year just to p*ss him off. Not that i'd ever wish injury on anyone, but here's hoping for a long, slow recovery for Portis.
 
So, I'm trying to offer Betts to the guy who has Portis on his squad. He gets all pissed at me cause I'm trying to rake him over the coals (and I am) and he picks up Rock Cartwright. He writes this big, league wide email that basically says Cartwright will get the carries if Portis sits, so f off (to me).My question is this, is there ANY supporting evidence (previous years stats, quotes, etc...) that suggest cartwright is even in the picture at RB now? Just want to CMA before i blast this guy in my league.
Nope. Cartwright's even behind Duckett on the depth chart. In short, Rock's a special teams player and an occasional role player on offense. Cartwright would only carry the ball if Betts and Portis couldn't play.
 
No... your friend is just bitter...
no doubt, i was tryin to help him out too,
By raking him over the coals?
sure, raking him over the coals was the "helping me out" part. Trading him Betts would help him...win-win (just a little more win for me since he is the desperate one)
In my opinion, giving up inordinate value early in the season is never of help. Even if he needs help at RB, in a couple of weeks that trade bait that he sent your way would be worth enough to purchase better help than Betts.A desire to help him isn't anywhere among your list of reasons to try to make that trade, so don't try to pretend it is. It's a desire to exploit his weakness that's driving you. There's nothing wrong with that, but be warned that if you DO rake him over the coals, he will never trade with you ever again. Just something to consider.
 
No... your friend is just bitter...
no doubt, i was tryin to help him out too,
By raking him over the coals?
sure, raking him over the coals was the "helping me out" part. Trading him Betts would help him...win-win (just a little more win for me since he is the desperate one)
In my opinion, giving up inordinate value early in the season is never of help. Even if he needs help at RB, in a couple of weeks that trade bait that he sent your way would be worth enough to purchase better help than Betts.A desire to help him isn't anywhere among your list of reasons to try to make that trade, so don't try to pretend it is. It's a desire to exploit his weakness that's driving you. There's nothing wrong with that, but be warned that if you DO rake him over the coals, he will never trade with you ever again. Just something to consider.
I agreelopsided trades are just plain evil to a leagueI hate the "there's no rule against bad trades" line and at some point good sportsmanship should come into play
 
Ummm, sportsmanship is great in free Yahoo leagues, but in a big money league, where the level of competition is a known factor, then its all about winning. I'm not gonna taunt him that his RB is hurt, i'm simply going to offer him a solution. Its up to him to take it or leave. If its THAT bad, our commish wouldnt let it go through.

As for not wanting to help him...his RB1 is hurt, i want to give him the handcuff for his RB1, having this handucff would help him...a+b=c.

 
Ummm, sportsmanship is great in free Yahoo leagues, but in a big money league, where the level of competition is a known factor, then its all about winning. I'm not gonna taunt him that his RB is hurt, i'm simply going to offer him a solution. Its up to him to take it or leave. If its THAT bad, our commish wouldnt let it go through.As for not wanting to help him...his RB1 is hurt, i want to give him the handcuff for his RB1, having this handucff would help him...a+b=c.
It's not as simple as that.Let's say the most basic counterexample. He trades Peyton Manning for Ladell Betts. His team is not helped, it is hurt. Starter for backup generally hurts a team (although not always).Here's the next counterexample. Let's say that he trades his #4 WR for Ladell Betts. Three weeks later, someone's WR corps takes a hit, and that person would be willing to give up a Frank Gore type for the WR4 in question. The OPPORTUNITY COST of Ladell Betts was a Frank Gore (minus the points that Betts wound up scoring in Portis's absence, assuming Portis even missed any time).Situation #3- you give him Ladell Betts for free, but Ladell Betts puts up a Ryan Leafish performance, running 15 times for 5 yards and a fumble every week for two or three straight weeks. The player's team is hurt again because of opportunity cost- because he HAD Ladell Betts, he left the points his regular RB3 WOULD HAVE SCORED on the bench, and his team was hurt as a result.Trades are much more complex than you're portraying them here. Generally, if you get more than he does out of a trade, especially early in the year, then you have hurt his team because of the opportunity cost of the trade. Now, later in the year it's a different matter, and players will frequently sell off their backups for less than market value in order to upgrade starters for the playoff run, but this early in the season, trading away players who will have a lot of value in future weeks as trade bait is a huge blow to a team's season-long chances. You are most certainly ACTIVELY HURTING THIS TEAM if you rake them over the coals.Again, there's nothing WRONG with actively hurting your competition. It's a strategic decision, and gives you one less team to worry about. I'm just warning you to be careful, because if you burn your trading partners too badly, you're going to wind up burning a lot of bridges. If you're going to burn that bridge, you better make sure that you fleece him in a big way to make up for all of the future opportunity cost as a result of this guy never trading with you ever again (and possibly even several other people in the league doing the same thing).
 
Unless he is desperate, your friend shouldn’t be starting Portis’s backup versus the Vikes anyways. The Viking Defense is solid against the run.

 
no offense, but what is your point? seriously, thats a legit question, not trying to be a smarta**.

i make a trade that will help him and me, but that i feel is better for me. if he doesnt want it, he doesnt have to take it. it is simple

 
Ummm, sportsmanship is great in free Yahoo leagues, but in a big money league, where the level of competition is a known factor, then its all about winning. I'm not gonna taunt him that his RB is hurt, i'm simply going to offer him a solution. Its up to him to take it or leave. If its THAT bad, our commish wouldnt let it go through.As for not wanting to help him...his RB1 is hurt, i want to give him the handcuff for his RB1, having this handucff would help him...a+b=c.
so now cartwright IS the backup?Sorry, as you wish. Some guys are ruthless I just don't agree with it
 
No... your friend is just bitter...
no doubt, i was tryin to help him out too, but he went and started being a 7 year old on our league message board.oh well, i told i'd sit betts on my bench the whole year just to p*ss him off. Not that i'd ever wish injury on anyone, but here's hoping for a long, slow recovery for Portis.
:goodposting: I've had betts on my team for three years. The Portis owner wont even listen to trade offers from me that involve Betts. Better yet, Betts won me a championship in '04 with his week 17 game v. the Vikings.
 
No... your friend is just bitter...
no doubt, i was tryin to help him out too, but he went and started being a 7 year old on our league message board.oh well, i told i'd sit betts on my bench the whole year just to p*ss him off. Not that i'd ever wish injury on anyone, but here's hoping for a long, slow recovery for Portis.
Wishing a slow recovery for Portis just to spite your friend is really bad karma. I don't care that you tried to preface it by saying you'd never wish injury to anyone.So basically what I gather from all of this is that since your friend didn't fall for your attempt to "rake him over the coals" (and acted like a 7 year old crybaby on the message board), you want Portis to have a slow recovery so it hurts his team. :thumbdown: That's pretty Bush league don't you think? Try to remember that this is a game. You are supposed to have fun. If you have too much money on the line that you feel you have to rake your friends over the coals or root for someone to have a slow recovery, then it's probably time to reprioritise things.
 
no offense, but what is your point? seriously, thats a legit question, not trying to be a smarta**.i make a trade that will help him and me, but that i feel is better for me. if he doesnt want it, he doesnt have to take it. it is simple
My point is that, if you're really "raking him over the coals" as you suggest, then the trade really doesn't help him. Nobody is *EVER* benefitted by being "raked over the coals".I also understand that if he doesn't want to accept the trade he doesn't have to, I'm just letting you know to think twice before offering a truly lopsided trade, because odds are that player won't ever trade with you again- and frequently other league-mates will stop trading with you, too. Now, if the trade really is reasonably even, then that's fine, although I wouldn't go around describing the trade as you raking the other guy over the coals.
 
Ok, i see. SSOG and SHREDHEAD, PAY ATTENTION...you ready??? Here goes....

:sarcasm:

learn it, love it, live it, i'm out

 
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SSOG said:
hotdogcollars said:
Ummm, sportsmanship is great in free Yahoo leagues, but in a big money league, where the level of competition is a known factor, then its all about winning. I'm not gonna taunt him that his RB is hurt, i'm simply going to offer him a solution. Its up to him to take it or leave. If its THAT bad, our commish wouldnt let it go through.As for not wanting to help him...his RB1 is hurt, i want to give him the handcuff for his RB1, having this handucff would help him...a+b=c.
It's not as simple as that.Let's say the most basic counterexample. He trades Peyton Manning for Ladell Betts. His team is not helped, it is hurt. Starter for backup generally hurts a team (although not always).Here's the next counterexample. Let's say that he trades his #4 WR for Ladell Betts. Three weeks later, someone's WR corps takes a hit, and that person would be willing to give up a Frank Gore type for the WR4 in question. The OPPORTUNITY COST of Ladell Betts was a Frank Gore (minus the points that Betts wound up scoring in Portis's absence, assuming Portis even missed any time).Situation #3- you give him Ladell Betts for free, but Ladell Betts puts up a Ryan Leafish performance, running 15 times for 5 yards and a fumble every week for two or three straight weeks. The player's team is hurt again because of opportunity cost- because he HAD Ladell Betts, he left the points his regular RB3 WOULD HAVE SCORED on the bench, and his team was hurt as a result.Trades are much more complex than you're portraying them here. Generally, if you get more than he does out of a trade, especially early in the year, then you have hurt his team because of the opportunity cost of the trade. Now, later in the year it's a different matter, and players will frequently sell off their backups for less than market value in order to upgrade starters for the playoff run, but this early in the season, trading away players who will have a lot of value in future weeks as trade bait is a huge blow to a team's season-long chances. You are most certainly ACTIVELY HURTING THIS TEAM if you rake them over the coals.Again, there's nothing WRONG with actively hurting your competition. It's a strategic decision, and gives you one less team to worry about. I'm just warning you to be careful, because if you burn your trading partners too badly, you're going to wind up burning a lot of bridges. If you're going to burn that bridge, you better make sure that you fleece him in a big way to make up for all of the future opportunity cost as a result of this guy never trading with you ever again (and possibly even several other people in the league doing the same thing).
Dear God! Do you really do this analysis before every proposed trade? I would call this "paralysis by analysis", myself. Let's get this thread back on track. hotdogcollars offered Betts to a guy with Portis who picked up Cartwright and then (erroneously) bragged that he had the real backup. This whole "burning bridges" thing seems a bit much based upon so little information, and also based upon the actions of a guy who was talking #### on a league message board.
 
Dear God! Do you really do this analysis before every proposed trade? I would call this "paralysis by analysis", myself.
Yes, I actually do an opportunity cost analysis before every proposed trade. It's not that hard (certainly easier than... say... coming up with projections for every player in the NFL), and it drastically improves the trades that I make.
 
SSOG said:
hotdogcollars said:
Ummm, sportsmanship is great in free Yahoo leagues, but in a big money league, where the level of competition is a known factor, then its all about winning. I'm not gonna taunt him that his RB is hurt, i'm simply going to offer him a solution. Its up to him to take it or leave. If its THAT bad, our commish wouldnt let it go through.As for not wanting to help him...his RB1 is hurt, i want to give him the handcuff for his RB1, having this handucff would help him...a+b=c.
It's not as simple as that.Let's say the most basic counterexample. He trades Peyton Manning for Ladell Betts. His team is not helped, it is hurt. Starter for backup generally hurts a team (although not always).Here's the next counterexample. Let's say that he trades his #4 WR for Ladell Betts. Three weeks later, someone's WR corps takes a hit, and that person would be willing to give up a Frank Gore type for the WR4 in question. The OPPORTUNITY COST of Ladell Betts was a Frank Gore (minus the points that Betts wound up scoring in Portis's absence, assuming Portis even missed any time).Situation #3- you give him Ladell Betts for free, but Ladell Betts puts up a Ryan Leafish performance, running 15 times for 5 yards and a fumble every week for two or three straight weeks. The player's team is hurt again because of opportunity cost- because he HAD Ladell Betts, he left the points his regular RB3 WOULD HAVE SCORED on the bench, and his team was hurt as a result.Trades are much more complex than you're portraying them here. Generally, if you get more than he does out of a trade, especially early in the year, then you have hurt his team because of the opportunity cost of the trade. Now, later in the year it's a different matter, and players will frequently sell off their backups for less than market value in order to upgrade starters for the playoff run, but this early in the season, trading away players who will have a lot of value in future weeks as trade bait is a huge blow to a team's season-long chances. You are most certainly ACTIVELY HURTING THIS TEAM if you rake them over the coals.Again, there's nothing WRONG with actively hurting your competition. It's a strategic decision, and gives you one less team to worry about. I'm just warning you to be careful, because if you burn your trading partners too badly, you're going to wind up burning a lot of bridges. If you're going to burn that bridge, you better make sure that you fleece him in a big way to make up for all of the future opportunity cost as a result of this guy never trading with you ever again (and possibly even several other people in the league doing the same thing).
GeezI almost don't even feel like playing fantasy football after reading this. :hey:
 
So, I'm trying to offer Betts to the guy who has Portis on his squad. He gets all pissed at me cause I'm trying to rake him over the coals (and I am) and he picks up Rock Cartwright. He writes this big, league wide email that basically says Cartwright will get the carries if Portis sits, so f off (to me).My question is this, is there ANY supporting evidence (previous years stats, quotes, etc...) that suggest cartwright is even in the picture at RB now? Just want to CMA before i blast this guy in my league.
He'll get a few carries here and there but Betts is the backup to Portis and Duckett will get his share. I'd say picking up Rock was a waste of a roster move.
 
hotdogcollars said:
Ok, i see. SSOG and SHREDHEAD, PAY ATTENTION...you ready??? Here goes.... :sarcasm: learn it, love it, live it, i'm out
OK, my sincerest appologies to you. I missed the sarcasm. I was pretty tired when I typed that last night. Just please be careful when wishing injury or slow recovery on someone. Not everybody is going to catch your sarcasm on a written post. Maybe if we were talking face to face I could have caught the sarcasm based on tone of voice or facial expressions. Hard to do on a message board.
 

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