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fred_1_15301 said:
thehornet said:
comfortably numb said:
Don't own him, sold him last year in my 2 dynasty leagues.If I were to draft now, I would take these guys ahead of him.CalvinAndreWayneMarshallColstonFitzSmithJenningsBoldinEdwardsRMossI have him in the area ofCotchPlaxColesWelkerSmoss
this post smacks of, "i missed the boat"
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Maybe, Good players have mediocre seasons and half seasonsMediocre players have great seasons and half seasons.The difference is trying to gauge which player will be a fixture at the top for years to come. (My OP was from a dynasty perspective)While I do like Roddy some, if I had him and was able to turn him into 1 or 2 players on my list, I would.Personally between talent/situation I prefer those guys.
 
Proud owner of Roddy, Boldin, and Marshall in my PPR Keeper League. Also own Gore and Barber. But I can only keep 4 players. What to do, what to do....

 
Proud owner of Roddy, Boldin, and Marshall in my PPR Keeper League. Also own Gore and Barber. But I can only keep 4 players. What to do, what to do....
As of now, keep: Marshall, Gore and Barber and try and wait to see if Boldin lands somewhere else or stays in AZ; see if Roddy continues top 5 production. If so, probably Roddy only because of age. Good dilemma to have.
 
I traded away Boldin for Roddy White/L.Coles last spring. Right now Id take Fitzgerald, AJ, Calvin Johnson for him in a ppr dynasty. Thats it

 
ONe reason this list is so small for most White owners is the overall feeling that White has nowhere to go BUT up. We know (or assume) we've seen the best Marshall, and many other studs have to offer. Roddy White is putting up comparable stats on a young, still developing team. His ceiling could be HIGHER then where he currently sits, while WR's like Cotchery or Jennings aren't likely to rise much higher.There really isn't any WR a White owner would consider a no-brainer straight up. There are only a few (mostly mentioned) the White owner would even consider at all....and then only if it's for a run THIS year.
SO you've seen the best of Marshall and many of the other studs, but Roddy still has nowhere but up to go?!? This statement has no logic to root itself in...In the long run, Marshall will shatter Roddy's production. There are a few other WRs in the league that will do the same...
 
ONe reason this list is so small for most White owners is the overall feeling that White has nowhere to go BUT up. We know (or assume) we've seen the best Marshall, and many other studs have to offer. Roddy White is putting up comparable stats on a young, still developing team. His ceiling could be HIGHER then where he currently sits, while WR's like Cotchery or Jennings aren't likely to rise much higher.There really isn't any WR a White owner would consider a no-brainer straight up. There are only a few (mostly mentioned) the White owner would even consider at all....and then only if it's for a run THIS year.
SO you've seen the best of Marshall and many of the other studs, but Roddy still has nowhere but up to go?!? This statement has no logic to root itself in...In the long run, Marshall will shatter Roddy's production. There are a few other WRs in the league that will do the same...
You can't ignore the ?? regarding Marshall and off the field issues.
 
ONe reason this list is so small for most White owners is the overall feeling that White has nowhere to go BUT up. We know (or assume) we've seen the best Marshall, and many other studs have to offer. Roddy White is putting up comparable stats on a young, still developing team. His ceiling could be HIGHER then where he currently sits, while WR's like Cotchery or Jennings aren't likely to rise much higher.There really isn't any WR a White owner would consider a no-brainer straight up. There are only a few (mostly mentioned) the White owner would even consider at all....and then only if it's for a run THIS year.
SO you've seen the best of Marshall and many of the other studs, but Roddy still has nowhere but up to go?!? This statement has no logic to root itself in...In the long run, Marshall will shatter Roddy's production. There are a few other WRs in the league that will do the same...
You can't ignore the ?? regarding Marshall and off the field issues.
:goodposting: Long term Marshall is a big risk due to being a moron. Roddy has never had off the field issues.In dynasty i take Roddy hands down, in re-draft where the long term outlook isn't important i take Marshall.
 
my post wasn't directly related to B Marshall. it was more to point out the flaw in logic being used by the poster that states that we have seen what other receivers have shown us, but Roddy has an infitinite ceiling. It's flawed on two accounts. 1) Roddy doesn't have an infinite cieling in relation to where he is right now, and 2) we have not see everything the other receivers in the league have to offer. I'm not going to put a list of guys I'd rather have than Roddy not just for this season but in the long run, but rest assured there are more than a few WRs on there. That's not to say Roddy won't be the best receiver since Jerry rice either. Thats the point of my statement. Saying something like, 'we already know what everyone else is about, but roddy is still going to grow exponentially' is a fairly ignorant statement to make. And if you must know, I'd take Marshall playing 12 games a year over roddy playing 16. And thats even 3 years from now when Ryan will likely be a superstud...

 
I just offered up Graham, Reggie Williams, and 2 first round picks in a dynasty (non ppr) league for Roddy and his 2nd and 3rd round picks.

My fingers are crossed.

 
ONe reason this list is so small for most White owners is the overall feeling that White has nowhere to go BUT up. We know (or assume) we've seen the best Marshall, and many other studs have to offer. Roddy White is putting up comparable stats on a young, still developing team. His ceiling could be HIGHER then where he currently sits, while WR's like Cotchery or Jennings aren't likely to rise much higher.There really isn't any WR a White owner would consider a no-brainer straight up. There are only a few (mostly mentioned) the White owner would even consider at all....and then only if it's for a run THIS year.
SO you've seen the best of Marshall and many of the other studs, but Roddy still has nowhere but up to go?!? This statement has no logic to root itself in...In the long run, Marshall will shatter Roddy's production. There are a few other WRs in the league that will do the same...
As some mentioned, Marshall has had off-field issues.BUT...that's not my reason.Marshall is part of an already clicking, powerful offense. While he can improve, how much further could he realisticly improve? There simply isn't much more room for improvement.Meanwhile, Roddy White has had nearly the same production on a team with all kinds of room for improvement.I think you're misunderstanding here. I would take Marshall first, redraft OR dynasty. But it's not a :"no-brainer". More like 2nd or 3rd WR to 3rd or fourth for dynasty. Redraft, 3rd or 4th to 8th or so.
 
ONe reason this list is so small for most White owners is the overall feeling that White has nowhere to go BUT up. We know (or assume) we've seen the best Marshall, and many other studs have to offer. Roddy White is putting up comparable stats on a young, still developing team. His ceiling could be HIGHER then where he currently sits, while WR's like Cotchery or Jennings aren't likely to rise much higher.

There really isn't any WR a White owner would consider a no-brainer straight up. There are only a few (mostly mentioned) the White owner would even consider at all....and then only if it's for a run THIS year.
SO you've seen the best of Marshall and many of the other studs, but Roddy still has nowhere but up to go?!? This statement has no logic to root itself in...In the long run, Marshall will shatter Roddy's production. There are a few other WRs in the league that will do the same...
As some mentioned, Marshall has had off-field issues.BUT...that's not my reason.

Marshall is part of an already clicking, powerful offense. While he can improve, how much further could he realisticly improve? There simply isn't much more room for improvement.

Meanwhile, Roddy White has had nearly the same production on a team with all kinds of room for improvement.

I think you're misunderstanding here. I would take Marshall first, redraft OR dynasty. But it's not a :"no-brainer". More like 2nd or 3rd WR to 3rd or fourth for dynasty. Redraft, 3rd or 4th to 8th or so.
See thats the part that I had an issue with initially, leading me to write what I wrote. What are you expecting from roddy white next year, 220 and 2.5 tds a game?!? And conversely, you think this is the best you're going to see of Marshall?!? THe offenses they play in are not the only deciding factors on their ceilings vs. their current production etc. That's an extremely simplistic view of things. THe numbers roddy is putting up right now would also lead an impartial individual to believe that this is the best one can see from him. And historical NFL figures will lead you to believe there isn't a whole lot of room to go up, ie. 220 yards and 2.5 tds a game is not feasible based on history. Bottom line is, ROddy is a great receiver, and coming into his own right now. That doesn't mean he can double his production in the future, and seeing other wrs in high powered offenses also doesn't mean that you'll never see them improve. The truth, as usual, lies somewhere inbetween these two polar opinions. And that transcends Roddy white and B Marshall as well. There are 10 other young wrs in the league we can have this discussion about...
 
Don't own him, sold him last year in my 2 dynasty leagues.If I were to draft now, I would take these guys ahead of him.CalvinAndreWayneMarshallColstonFitzSmithJenningsBoldinEdwardsRMossI have him in the area ofCotchPlaxColesWelkerSmoss
this post smacks of, "i missed the boat"
:goodposting:
Maybe, Good players have mediocre seasons and half seasonsMediocre players have great seasons and half seasons.The difference is trying to gauge which player will be a fixture at the top for years to come. (My OP was from a dynasty perspective)While I do like Roddy some, if I had him and was able to turn him into 1 or 2 players on my list, I would.Personally between talent/situation I prefer those guys.
I agree with both the lists and the sentiments expressed.Color me cynical, but I see White as more fluke than fact. I'm not sure what gives me that feeling. His numbers are good. He's young and plays with an up and coming QB. Only viable target on his team right now. Etc, etc.For whatever reason, watching him play, my eyes just tell me something different than his numbers do.I'm not a believer.
 
I don't think I would trade him. Last week I had Boldin, AJ, White and R.Moss rostered and I chose to give up Moss and Boldin in a deal to get Fitzgerald.

 
Proud owner of Roddy, Boldin, and Marshall in my PPR Keeper League. Also own Gore and Barber. But I can only keep 4 players. What to do, what to do....
VERY difficult, but VERY good dilemma to have.I'd have to say that as of right now I'd let go of Boldin.He's going on his 7th season and has only made it through 2 without injury. Marshall is a threat to be suspended for some bone head move, but Denver passes way too much and he's young. Same goes for Roddy.
 
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Burning Sensation said:
thatguy said:
I am amazed by the insanity in this thread. Truly amazed. Mortified even.
Let me guess, you took guys like Driver and Harrison in the 5th round instead of Roddy.
You got me pegged. :confused:Is it not possible for one to have an opinion without having a horse (or according to your assumption a non-horse) in the race? Posts like yours are ridiculous. I think my point is pretty clear - Roddy White is overvalued right now. I would feel this way whether I owned him or not. If I did own him, I'd be sending offers to at least ten owners right now, especially in dynasty.
 
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And for what it's worth I do wish I owned Roddy. I do think he's valuable. But in my opinion it IS insane to start comparing him to the likes of Fitz, Marshall, AJ, Boldin, Smith, Wayne, and probably others. Even more insane to suggest he is a better dynasty option than those guys.

 
Burning Sensation said:
thatguy said:
I am amazed by the insanity in this thread. Truly amazed. Mortified even.
Let me guess, you took guys like Driver and Harrison in the 5th round instead of Roddy.
You got me pegged. :thumbup: Is it not possible for one to have an opinion without having a horse (or according to your assumption a non-horse) in the race? Posts like yours are ridiculous. I think my point is pretty clear - Roddy White is overvalued right now. I would feel this way whether I owned him or not. If I did own him, I'd be sending offers to at least ten owners right now, especially in dynasty.
So are post like yours. Early last season peope like you would have said things like "I am amazed by the insantity in this thread" when people compared Brandon Marshall to Fitzgerald or Andre Johnson. Mortified, seriously? I can understand you saying that you think it is a bit too early to compare White to Andre Johnson or Fitz, but "truly amazed"? Reactions like that dont come from people with just an opinion, they come from people who are mad they missed out on a player.

 
And for what it's worth I do wish I owned Roddy. I do think he's valuable. But in my opinion it IS insane to start comparing him to the likes of Fitz, Marshall, AJ, Boldin, Smith, Wayne, and probably others. Even more insane to suggest he is a better dynasty option than those guys.
In my dynasty league I have Marshall, White, and Smith. I am looking to trade Smith away while he still has value. White I am looking to keep.Since Smith "broke out", he's had two top 10 seasons, and two seasons outside the top 10 (worst was 16, not including the season he missed with injury), but will likely be top 10 again this year. White is also on his way to a top 10 finish this year after breaking out last year. Next year Smith will be 30 and White will be 27. Smith's game is much more dependent on his quickness than is White's and once that is gone he won't be finishing top 10 anymore. Couple that with White being on an improving team with a franchise type QB who will only get better.Boldin is a great talent no doubt but good luck finding a season he stays healthy. He's finished top 10 twice with an outside chance of doing it this year due to injury. Also how much longer can Warner really last there, once he's gone I don't think Leinert has enough to feed both Boldin & Fitz, and to me Fitz will get more targets.Wayne will be limited by what appears to be a team in decline on the offensive side. Maybe I'm wrong and it's just an off season, but with Dungy leaving after this year I don't have confidence.Marshall is young and talented but his off field transgressions could be his undoing. I really like him fantasy wise but there is risk. If you believe in it, he best fits the weight/BMI mold of a prototypical WR out of this bunch.Andre is an enigma wrapped in a question mark. Hasn't finished top 10 in his career but he just oozes talent. If he manages to stay healthy this year (knock on wood) he will certainly be top 10 but he has such low TD totals every year. The emergence of Daniels and Slaton don't help in that department.Fitz is probably the only one here I would rather have straight up in redraft or dynasty. I would put Marshall here but I already own him. Not saying I couldn't be wrong and next year I might eat my words but I've seen enough in White to value him this way.
 
Jennings still gets no love... amazing.
No freaking kidding.The guy is averaging 80yds and 0.8 TDs per game the last two years. That's incredible for a WR.Roddy White is fairly close, at 81yds and 0.45 TDs per game the last two years.And Jennings has done it MUCH more consistently as well. In that span White has had 11 games where he had less than 90yds and no TDs (and most of them weren't even close to 90), Jennings has had 4 in that same span (which, coincidentally, I believe is tops in the entire league).
 
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I drafted White 2nd round in his rookie year in a dynasty, waited while he did very little and almost dropped him before last year for Chad Jackson. You can imagine my excitement that I kept him. Going through this process with him for 4 years now, it would be very hard for someone to pry him away from me... however, I would take Fitz, AJ, Calvin and possibly Edwards. Age is a big issue in dynasty, therefor I would not take Wayne or Smith. Marshall has off field issues, which is one of the reasons I like Edwards, he has lots of talent and is a model citizen. "Knock on wood", but I think White is the next Reggie Wayne. A nice consistent guy who may not lead the league but will be top 10, possibly top 5 every year.

 
Burning Sensation said:
I am amazed by the insanity in this thread. Truly amazed. Mortified even.
Let me guess, you took guys like Driver and Harrison in the 5th round instead of Roddy.
You got me pegged. :goodposting: Is it not possible for one to have an opinion without having a horse (or according to your assumption a non-horse) in the race? Posts like yours are ridiculous. I think my point is pretty clear - Roddy White is overvalued right now. I would feel this way whether I owned him or not. If I did own him, I'd be sending offers to at least ten owners right now, especially in dynasty.
So are post like yours. Early last season peope like you would have said things like "I am amazed by the insantity in this thread" when people compared Brandon Marshall to Fitzgerald or Andre Johnson. Mortified, seriously? I can understand you saying that you think it is a bit too early to compare White to Andre Johnson or Fitz, but "truly amazed"? Reactions like that dont come from people with just an opinion, they come from people who are mad they missed out on a player.
I'm not mad pal. It's just a game. You're the one making something completely impersonal personal. You know nothing about me and the emotions that I experience over this game, so how about you stop trying to guess what it is I'm feeling. Does that sound fair pumpkin?I am truly amazed. Truly amazed that anyone can honestly say they'd take Roddy White over Fitzgerald in a dynasty league. And yes, mortified even.

People like me huh? I've been on the Marshall train since Denver drafted him and Bloom started singing his praises, so again, stop trying to peg me. You're one of those guys who thinks they have everyone pegged. Guess what? You don't. Look in the mirror sometime. My guess is you don't even have yourself figured out.

As I've said, I like Roddy, I wish I owned him, but there are quite a few WR's I'd rather own.

 
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Burning Sensation said:
I am amazed by the insanity in this thread. Truly amazed. Mortified even.
Let me guess, you took guys like Driver and Harrison in the 5th round instead of Roddy.
You got me pegged. :goodposting: Is it not possible for one to have an opinion without having a horse (or according to your assumption a non-horse) in the race? Posts like yours are ridiculous. I think my point is pretty clear - Roddy White is overvalued right now. I would feel this way whether I owned him or not. If I did own him, I'd be sending offers to at least ten owners right now, especially in dynasty.
So are post like yours. Early last season peope like you would have said things like "I am amazed by the insantity in this thread" when people compared Brandon Marshall to Fitzgerald or Andre Johnson. Mortified, seriously? I can understand you saying that you think it is a bit too early to compare White to Andre Johnson or Fitz, but "truly amazed"? Reactions like that dont come from people with just an opinion, they come from people who are mad they missed out on a player.
I'm not mad pal. It's just a game. You're the one making something completely impersonal personal. You know nothing about me and the emotions that I experience over this game, so how about you stop trying to guess what it is I'm feeling. Does that sound fair pumpkin?I am truly amazed. Truly amazed that anyone can honestly say they'd take Roddy White over Fitzgerald in a dynasty league. And yes, mortified even.

People like me huh? I've been on the Marshall train since Denver drafted him and Bloom started singing his praises, so again, stop trying to peg me. You're one of those guys who thinks they have everyone pegged. Guess what? You don't. Look in the mirror sometime. My guess is you don't even have yourself figured out.

As I've said, I like Roddy, I wish I owned him, but there are quite a few WR's I'd rather own.
I think you are misunderstanding my point. It would have been considered crazy to include Marshalls name with Fitzgeralds last year. I agree with you that it is a little to early to put Whites name in the same category as AJ and Fitz. However, the guy is clearly in the second tier of dynasty WR's, so why is it so mortifying for you to discuss his potential as a top tier WR?The first tier of WR's would look something like this:

1. Larry Fitzgerald

2. Andre Johnson

3. Calvin Johnson

4. Reggie Wayne

5. Greg Jennings

6. Steve Smith

7. Brandon Marshall

The 2nd tier guys are a notch below, but i would listen to an argument for any of them as future top tier guys.

8. Roddy White

9. Marques Colston

10. Anquan Boldin

11. Braylon Edwards

12. Dwayne Bowe

Yes, i left of Moss intentionally.

 

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