bulger2holt
Footballguy
With Ryan throwing to him, what do expect from this year ? Any way he repeats from last years 90+ catches ? Is he worthy of wr3 in a 12 teamer ?
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I think he will at least repeat his performance last year, QB situation was horrendous at best. Ryan is an upgrade over them all.
bulger2holt
Footballguy
That's what I am thinking too. Plus, they will be playing from behind alot and Roddy will be going against soft coverage.
bulger2holt
Footballguy
Do you think you are funny ? If that was supposed to be a joke, it failed.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
It seemed like Roddy and Matt Ryan developed some chemistry in practice that flowed over to the preseason. If that same type of play can now translate into the regular season he could approach similar numbers as last year.
If nothing else he'll be a solid WR3 and a guy you may want to play matchups with.
If nothing else he'll be a solid WR3 and a guy you may want to play matchups with.
MCguidance
Footballguy
Good thread. I would think he is at least as valuable as a WR3 in a 12 teamer. Tremblay and Wimer have him ranked fairly high, I would like to hear - if they have the time - a bit more why they think so. On the flip side, Borberly and Terftiller are down on him. Wondering if Borberly will explain a bit, too. I am fairly certain he will be a solid WR3 play, just not sure if he is ready to make a big leap. I think a lot of it hinges on Ryan.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Roddy White Thread
This was talked about in length in that thread...I don't want to beat a dead horse but I think it is clear my POV on White...I am not nearly as hih as a lot of others. Ryan is a rookie no matter how you slice it and I don't think White can repeat his numbers. Very few WR can post back to back 1,200 yd seasons so he has to back off those numbers.
This was talked about in length in that thread...I don't want to beat a dead horse but I think it is clear my POV on White...I am not nearly as hih as a lot of others. Ryan is a rookie no matter how you slice it and I don't think White can repeat his numbers. Very few WR can post back to back 1,200 yd seasons so he has to back off those numbers.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
bulger2holt
Footballguy
who will have the better numbers, White or Chambers ? Both #1's on their respective teams. Chambers has the better QB, but also has more competition for balls. I see them being pretty equal and strong #3's or average #2's. 80 catches, 1000 yds, 8-10 tds.
Pat Patriot
Footballguy
I think you have it about right in your projections. I actually think White has a chance to exceed those numbers. I have White on each of my 3 teams.He's WR2 in my 14 team league and WR3 in my 12 teamers.
bulger2holt
Footballguy
In a 12 team PPR and the 9th pick , I took White in rd 5 and Chambers in rd 6 . They are my WR3 and Flex player. Wayne is my 1 and Welker my 2.
Team ROFLCOPTERS
Footballguy
I think upgrades at the qb and rb situation will take a ton of pressure off White. Roddy will at least match his performance last season which equates to a low end number 2 wr. I have him as my wr3 in my important league and am glad to have drafted him rounds 7-9 in all of them.
I'll be surprised if Matt Ryan is better as a rookie than 2007 Joey Harrington.
bulger2holt
Footballguy
That's debatable. We'll see.
Tau837
Footballguy
I'll be surprised if he's not. Harrington threw 7 TDs in 348 attempts lsat year and averaged only 6.4 ypa.
Michael Brown
Footballguy
Ryan only averaged 6.9 last year and that was in college.I'll be surprised if he's not. Harrington threw 7 TDs in 348 attempts lsat year and averaged only 6.4 ypa.
In college on a horrendous team that he completely carried. He had some of the worst receivers in the country.Boston College this year against a horrid Kent State team.....106 yards passing. What Ryan did last year with that cast of players was nothing short of amazing.Ryan only averaged 6.9 last year and that was in college.I'll be surprised if he's not. Harrington threw 7 TDs in 348 attempts lsat year and averaged only 6.4 ypa.
Tau837
Footballguy
In college on a horrendous team that he completely carried. He had some of the worst receivers in the country.Boston College this year against a horrid Kent State team.....106 yards passing. What Ryan did last year with that cast of players was nothing short of amazing.Ryan only averaged 6.9 last year and that was in college.I'll be surprised if he's not. Harrington threw 7 TDs in 348 attempts lsat year and averaged only 6.4 ypa.
Matt Ryan should be a good NFL quarterback, but even good rookies typically struggle and usually put up low completion rates, middling Y/A, low TD% and high int%. A few exceptions in recent years were Peyton Manning, Jay Cutler and Ben Roethlisberger, but it's definitely not the norm.
Aside from a low TD Rate and high sack rate(much higher than his career avg), Joey Harrington was serviceable on a very bad team last year.
Aside from a low TD Rate and high sack rate(much higher than his career avg), Joey Harrington was serviceable on a very bad team last year.
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meanjoegreen
Footballguy
Tau837
Footballguy
I guess we have different definitions of serviceable. I define serviceable as more than just playing better than David Carr.Given we're talking about fantasy football here, what is most important are yards and TDs. Rookie or not, I expect Ryan to have a stronger TD percentage and higher ypa than Harrington did last year.
Bobcat10
Footballguy
I think he'll not live up to where he's getting drafted (boarderline #2/#3 WR status, about 5th round). I've yet to grab him in a league because I won't pay that and would rather be drafting RBs in the 5th/6th rounds. A new QB situation, on same team or new team, always worries me somewhat, especially a rookie. I put Jennings/Driver, Berrian, Walker and a few others in the same class.
zamboni
Footballguy
Every team wants to run the ball as much as possible, with the possible exception of those coached by Andy Reid or Mike Martz.Actually being able to do so based upon game situations often dictates otherwise. Plus, good coaches make use of their best players - not that there's a comparison in quality, but remember how most thought that the Colts would be Dungified to a defensive/run-oriented team?
Sunshine
Footballguy
I think they will be forced into a lot of passing since they will be so far behind all season. I think ideally all the teams in the NFL would like to be in the position to run, run, and run some more, it just does not always work that way.Zamboni said it better & just a little faster than me.
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Big Score
Footballguy
I understand what both of you fellas are saying here, but the Falcons new Head Coach & Offensive Coordinator didn't go out & get a big banger of a RB in Michael Turner, just so they could pass the ball to Roddy White.This is a rebuilding year for the Falcons & the powers that be know it. Heck everybody & their brother does. The Falcons brain trust, from their new GM, to their new HC, to their new OC, is planning to bring their new bright & shiny Franchise QB (Ryan) along nice & slowly by relying on the run game.
As for evidence that a team absolutely MUST pass when playing from behind, look no further than the Raiders from last year. Very similar situation to the Falcons, in that a highly touted rookie QB was brought along slowly with the offensive philosphy strongly geared towards the ground game.....& trust me, Fargas ain't no Michael Turner.
zamboni
Footballguy
Fair counterpoints.Good comparison with the Raiders, although I do think that Ryan is already a more polished QB than Russell is (or likely will be) and will be given a bit more latitude.
Team ROFLCOPTERS
Footballguy
I can't agree with this. Walker, as in Javon Walker?Bobcat10 said:
Bobcat10
Footballguy
Yes. I guess I don't like his situation as much as you. I'd rather get Curry later on if I had to have one.edit: I'm not implying Walker is a 5th round pick if that is what you thought. Sorry.
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Captain Spaulding
Footballguy
Its Jenkins year to be the #1 WR in Atlanta. I think the trend is he and Roddy alternate years as the best WR in town.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
Anyone have any ideas on Roddy's prospects for this week against the Lions?
This is one of those games where I would expect Roddy to shine as he's going up against Detroit, but the uncertainty surrounding the gameplan and Matt Ryan is giving me some hesitation.
I can see Roddy really torching the Lions, but I'm also wondering how much Ryan could struggle in his first real action.
This is one of those games where I would expect Roddy to shine as he's going up against Detroit, but the uncertainty surrounding the gameplan and Matt Ryan is giving me some hesitation.
I can see Roddy really torching the Lions, but I'm also wondering how much Ryan could struggle in his first real action.
PatrickT
Footballguy
I have to admit that, during Roddy's first two years when he couldn't catch a cold, I was screaming for him to be cut. Immediately. During half time.So, having complete faith in my ability to be really, really wrong, Jenkins will be lucky to be the starter by year's end.
Bobcat10
Footballguy
So who steps in....Laurent?
Week 2 Boston College QB stats post Matt Ryan18 of 36In college on a horrendous team that he completely carried. He had some of the worst receivers in the country.Boston College this year against a horrid Kent State team.....106 yards passing. What Ryan did last year with that cast of players was nothing short of amazing.Ryan only averaged 6.9 last year and that was in college.I'll be surprised if he's not. Harrington threw 7 TDs in 348 attempts lsat year and averaged only 6.4 ypa.
143 yards passing
1 TD/2 INT's
Ya i'd say what Ryan did with that team was close to godly considering the pathetic cast he played with.
Big Score
Footballguy
Not trying to toot my own horn here by quoting myself, but the Falcons new offensive game plan played out exactly as predicted. Granted the game was against the lowly Motor City Kitties & the Falcons got out to the early lead, but still, only 13 pass attempts compared to 37 rushing attempts (not counting the 5 Ryan rushing attempts as 3 were to kill the clock & the other 2 were ad libbed as opposed to being designed rushing attempts).
Of the 13 pass attempts, there were 9 total completions & of those 9 completions, only 3 targeted the WR's.
While there is no doubt that White will indeed have sporadicly serviceable games, trying to figure out when that will happen, is likely to be an exercise in futility. Unfortunately for those who drafted White expecting a repeat of last years numbers, if not more, you might want to go to Plan B. This is not an indictment against White's talent, but more an indictment against his situation.
Until the Falcons feel comfortable in taking the training wheels off Ryan, or the Falcons run game totally self destructs, I think we can safely say we'll see more of the same stats from White, as we saw yesterday.
LBH
Footballguy
I think ill wait longer than week 1 before i think about plan B. The Falcons wont be able to run the ball like that every week. There just wasnt any reason to pass because the run was so successfull. I still believe that White will be good and have a great chance to hit the same numbers as last year
Los Gigantes
Footballguy
I couldn't disagree more.The Falcons will always start by establishing the running game. But they don't play the Lions every week. They WILL fall behind by a few touchdowns, more often than not. When they do, they will throw, and they will throw to Roddy White. Don't over react to an atypical game: aka a falcons win.
There probably won't be too many games where Atlanta gets out to such a big lead and has the luxury of grinding away on the ground all day. I expect some days they'll be the ones behind the 8-ball early, and Ryan will be called upon to do some more chucking.
That said, the point about a renewed focus on the run and its possible impact on Roddy is well-made and well-taken.
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Big Score
Footballguy
LBH said:
Again a repeat of post #31"I understand what both of you fellas are saying here, but the Falcons new Head Coach & Offensive Coordinator didn't go out & get a big banger of a RB in Michael Turner, just so they could pass the ball to Roddy White.Los Gigantes said:
This is a rebuilding year for the Falcons & the powers that be know it. Heck everybody & their brother does. The Falcons brain trust, from their new GM, to their new HC, to their new OC, is planning to bring their new bright & shiny Franchise QB (Ryan) along nice & slowly by relying on the run game.
As for evidence that a team absolutely MUST pass when playing from behind, look no further than the Raiders from last year. Very similar situation to the Falcons, in that a highly touted rookie QB was brought along slowly with the offensive philosphy strongly geared towards the ground game.....& trust me, Fargas ain't no Michael Turner."
zamboni
Footballguy
I wouldn't count on that - this team may not be as bad as it looked coming in this season. Still though, I don't expect that Ryan will be able to get away with lofting the ball only 13 times.Roddy will get his looks, although I don't think he'll get nearly as targeted as he was last year when the team was in free fall.Los Gigantes said:
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B Maverick
Footballguy
Russel didnt start for Oak until the final game of the season. Not a good backup for your claim.True, Atl will run the ball and run it often. They will have to throw more then 13 times this year
White was targeted twice and caught both for 54 yards, most of the targets went to Norwood however.
Of the WRs, White will be the most targeted and will be a worthy #2 wr on your team and yes, i think he can match last years numbers.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Anyone rolling the dice with him today? FBGs has him ranked pretty high, but he's in a VERY tough spot.
At the Bucs, who are angry and 0-1, and White traditionally does nothing against them. He caught 1 pass for 4 yards last season in Tampa, and now he has a rookie QB facing that complex defense. Not sure I see much upside here. Anyone disagree?
At the Bucs, who are angry and 0-1, and White traditionally does nothing against them. He caught 1 pass for 4 yards last season in Tampa, and now he has a rookie QB facing that complex defense. Not sure I see much upside here. Anyone disagree?
I'm rolling with him over A. Gonzo, just being as he is a WR1 on his team.
3C's
Footballguy
Everywhere I look, not just here, tells me to start White over Patten, but I'm not going to do it. White with a rookie qb at Tampa...or Patten with Brees vs the skins. Seems like a reasonable choice to go with the latter.
