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Roethlisberger not popular with teammates (1 Viewer)
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timschochet
Footballguy
Seems like I've read this before in previous years, I've never read someone actually complain about Ben.
Whatever. The guy wins. He's led the Steelers to two Superbowl victories. He didn't play well in the first SB, but they never would have got there without his stellar performances in the playoffs. And in the last SB, Ben led one of the the all time classic drives in football history.
Outside of possibly Brady or P. Manning, there's no other QB I would rather have in the NFL.
Whatever. The guy wins. He's led the Steelers to two Superbowl victories. He didn't play well in the first SB, but they never would have got there without his stellar performances in the playoffs. And in the last SB, Ben led one of the the all time classic drives in football history.
Outside of possibly Brady or P. Manning, there's no other QB I would rather have in the NFL.
Class Dismissed
Footballguy
An anonymous column, citing anonymous sources. Nice.
baconisgood
Footballguy
Where is this ignore function again?
Not sure I understand this -- Roeth is one of the best QBs in the league. Why is that such an outlandish statement?
baconisgood
Footballguy
A. he said "possibly" Brady or Manning. Both are miles ahead of Roeth. B. If by best you mean one of the 10 best, sure. If by best you mean better than Brees and Palmer (when healthy), Warner from last year (I can understand an age argument not wanting Warner this year, but not a better than argument), Cutler's currently better, Rivers probably, Rodgers will likely cement himself as better this year.
You can make an argument that Roethis better than everyone you mentioned except Brady and Manning. I'm not saying he is, I'm saying he is in the discussion.
hmmm I thought this was a real world discussion not a Fantasy one.He is one of the top two 4th quarter qb's in the game today. He is frustrating at times but when the game is on the line, I'll take Ben over anybody including Brady and Manning.
baconisgood
Footballguy
He's not as accurate, throws more picks and fewer TDs, gets sacked more often. What is he better at? If you think he is better than Brees please check out Brees last two years in San Diego. There is a big gap there that is not due entirely to his situation in NO.
Gators
Footballguy
His QB rating last year was 80. He didn't even complete 60% of his passes. He's a good QB who got lucky and placed into a great system.
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Ignoratio Elenchi
Footballguy
Winning Super Bowls?
JohnnyU
Footballguy
He still needs to turn his hat around.
Gators
Footballguy
Pitts D is much more responsible for that. Many NFL QB's could have won a superbowl on that team.
timschochet
Footballguy
When did Tom Brady win a SB with a lousy defense? Is the Steeler defense responsible for Ben's drive in the last few minutes of that game? 88 yards in 90 seconds?
Your bait is old and stanky. If you want a successful fishing expedition come up with better bait.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
If the shoe fits......
Ben is there when they need him. Granted, the Def is amazing, but they don't lead the team to 6 or 7 game winning drives in one season. It is as plain and simple as that.
And yea, fantasy wise, of course there are qb's i would rather have than him, but in the NFL, i think it is Brady and Ben(just continue to prove they can get it done), even over Peyton imho.
And yea, fantasy wise, of course there are qb's i would rather have than him, but in the NFL, i think it is Brady and Ben(just continue to prove they can get it done), even over Peyton imho.
baconisgood
Footballguy
Your wrong about this but it doesn't even matter. Give me the Steeler's D and my pick of QBs to plug into that offense and I will hardly ever need a 4th quarter comeback because we'd be up 3 TDs by the 4th in most games. I'll take some one who is good for all 4 quarters, thank you.
Hi, I've thrown more than 2,000 passes in my career, please judge me solely by the 10 that meant the most to you.
Manster
Footballguy
You like stat compilers at qb while I'll take guys who have proven that they can take their team on their back and win 2 Superbowls in only 5 seasons. You can have guys like Testerverde and Fouts, I'll take guys like Big Ben and Brady.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
there are 53 dude on a team, Im sure everyone dont get alon. think about it do you like everyone on your team at work? hell no
This.Peyton Manning, Brees, Brady, Palmer, Warner, McNabb, and Rivers would have all won a Super Bowl last year with that defense. I think you could probably say Jay Cutler and Aaron Rodgers and maybe Eli Manning are better then him right now too.
Actually, his bait as you call it rings mighty farmiliar. I seem to remember a certain Steelers QB in the 1970's who got much more credit than he deserved for winning superbowls. That Pittsburgh Defense has been making QB's look better than they really are for over 30 years now, gotta give 'em credit for that. For the record, I think Big Ben is better than Bradshaw, but I think Bradshaw may possibly be the #1 most over rated QB in the historry of the NFL.There, is that better bait?
Ignoratio Elenchi
Footballguy
It's fairly universal for QBs to be judged by what they do in the last two minutes of a Super Bowl. Testaverde had more passing yards than Montana but I'm pretty sure no one here would put Vinny above Joe on any list of the best QBs of all time.Football is a team sport so obviously you can't quantify exactly the impact of any one player, but two rings in four years is impressive nonetheless.
I don't remember Kordell Stewart or Neil O'Donnell or Tommy Maddox winning a Superbowl with the Steelers vaunted defense. But I don't want these facts getting in the way of your argument.
FUBAR
Footballguy
sure, that's all he's ever done in his long career. Let's see, 5 seasons, 2 Super Bowl victories, 51-20 record... his stats aren't great but he tends to show up when needed. This isn't a 1 man game, Ben does what the team needs him to do to win. There's no disputing that.As for the "10 other guys could have won on that team" argument, the same can be said for most anyone, most any year. This year the only player who was irreplaceable was Fitzgerald.The Steeler Defense wasn't quite as good during those years, decent, but not on par with the Steel Curtain or today's group. I actually agree with the Roth being top 5 or 10 right now, I just poted because he asked for better bait and I don't like Bradshaw and think he was over rated. Carry on with the subject at hand, sorry I interupted.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but in his 1st Super Bowl victory, didn't he have the worst QB rating by any winning QB in Super Bowl history?
gonzobill5
Footballguy
wait, what is the topic of this thread again?
Gators
Footballguy
Don't let stats and facts get in the way of your homerism here.
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Ghost Rider
Footballguy
2001. The Patriots were 24th in the NFL in total defense.
If were going by stats then I guess you think Testerverde is a HOF and the facts are Ben has 2 rings in 5 seasons with possibly getting a few more before he is done.
Gators
Footballguy
Well one thing you here players say over and over is they'll take a locker room problem guy over one that gets paid more money than he's worth. Considering the contract below and the production you get, I'd say this is possibly an example of that.The Pittsburgh Steelers and quarterback Ben Roethlisberger have agreed to a new eight-year, $102 million contract.
I think most Steeler fans believe that the 95 team were the best defense since the 70's.The Steeler Defense wasn't quite as good during those years, decent, but not on par with the Steel Curtain or today's group. I actually agree with the Roth being top 5 or 10 right now, I just poted because he asked for better bait and I don't like Bradshaw and think he was over rated. Carry on with the subject at hand, sorry I interupted.
FunkyTeaParty
Footballguy
Big Ben does seem a bit douchy and I totally believe some of his teammates may dislike him, but the guy is a winner and like someone said earlier, I am sure his teammates can deal with any personal issues they have with him and appreciate him for his clutch play.
Not sure all those QB's would have been able to lead the game winning drive, McNabb already proved himself a coward by puking when the pressure was on. Warner would have been dead by game 5 since that OLine was horrible. And to the other poster saying they were up by 3-4 td's most games, 6-7 of those games were won by Ben on the LAST DRIVE. Sorry, but that is pretty amazing to me.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Because Arizona's offensive line was so great? The same offensive line that allowed the team to run for 3.5 yards per carry?
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
This has to be a huge fishing trip, unless you missed the last Super Bowl where Roethlisberger had to bail out the defense, which had completely collapsed in the 4th quarter, with that last minute drive.
Again, i reiterate, SIX game winning drives in the regular season and ONE HUGE game winning drive in the Super Bowl. How does Ben not deserve credit when credit is DEFINITELY due?
I'm not saying Ben doesn't deserve credit, but I don't see the media hopping around to give defensive players any interviews besides James harrison because he made the 100+ yard TD return. The best players on the Steelers last season was the LB crew and Troy, but the media didn't give a damn about Lamar Woodley and others.
