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Bob Sacamano
Footballguy
I heard it was the syph.
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#### that guy, seriously. As a Sox fan, he's now dead to me. What more did he have to accomplish in his career than going back to where it started and contributing a win to an adoring and appreciative fan-base? Fine, go play for a team that's going to be no better than third in its division. See if we care.
TommyGilmore
Footballguy
Year-Two-Thou-sand, clap, clap, clap-clap-clap.
wadegarrett
FFA Legend™
What did he do?
BTW...this thread would be great in The Baseball Forum.
BTW...this thread would be great in The Baseball Forum.
Gamblor
Footballguy
I think the 28 million will help him get over your disapointment.
There is already a thread on this in the thriving FBG baseball forum.
whoknew
Footballguy
Come on. From what I understand, the Yanks paid him about $8-9 more than the Sox.
wadegarrett
FFA Legend™
Exactly.
Michael Brown
Footballguy
I don't know, did you?
Disco Stu
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Dead to me.
Das Boot
Footballguy
Holy cow, I don't see how you can blame a guy for working his entire career, even hanging on past normal retirement age, who finally snags a big contract that will make him financially comfortable for the rest of his life.
[O'BrotherWhereArtThou] It's all about the
boys! [/OBWAT]
[O'BrotherWhereArtThou] It's all about the
boys! [/OBWAT]
BigTex
Don't mess with Texas
28mil for 4 months................more like highway robbery, but it is the Yankees. :bittertexasfan:Holy cow, I don't see how you can blame a guy for working his entire career, even hanging on past normal retirement age, who finally snags a big contract that will make him financially comfortable for the rest of his life.
[O'BrotherWhereArtThou] It's all about the
Borat
Footballguy
That team now has Clemens, Mussina, Pettite, and that Chinese guy. With their offense, suddenly the Yankees have a damn good team.
Das Boot
Footballguy
You know what would be sweet? If every team had a $100M cap, no shenanigans with deferred salaries, just simple per year salary contracts allowed, and then find out who has the best scouts, coaches, and players.Having the potential for parity across the entire league would be awesome IMO.28mil for 4 months................more like highway robbery, but it is the Yankees. :bittertexasfan:Holy cow, I don't see how you can blame a guy for working his entire career, even hanging on past normal retirement age, who finally snags a big contract that will make him financially comfortable for the rest of his life.
[O'BrotherWhereArtThou] It's all about theboys! [/OBWAT]
Oh well.
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No they don't. They have four passable starters. Wake me up when they have a bullpen.
snorlax
Zzzzzzzzzzzz.
GL with your hate.
CrossEyed
Footballguy
Don't hold your breath.You know what would be sweet? If every team had a $100M cap, no shenanigans with deferred salaries, just simple per year salary contracts allowed, and then find out who has the best scouts, coaches, and players.Having the potential for parity across the entire league would be awesome IMO.28mil for 4 months................more like highway robbery, but it is the Yankees. :bittertexasfan:Holy cow, I don't see how you can blame a guy for working his entire career, even hanging on past normal retirement age, who finally snags a big contract that will make him financially comfortable for the rest of his life.
[O'BrotherWhereArtThou] It's all about the
Oh well.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
#### the Sox and Yankees. How I would love to see a salary cap in baseball to see how these franchises would do if they couldn't outspend everyone else.
TommyGilmore
Footballguy
fixed
CrossEyed
Footballguy
<-------Bitter Pirates fan.
Steelnation
Footballguy
Kit Fisto
Footballguy
Fixed.
whoknew
Footballguy
Not sure why you think Clemens is a question mark.
Usual21
Footballguy
How three? Clemens is Clemens. Mussina still has something left, and Pettitte is going to win 11-13 games. Wang is a Cy Young runner up. I count 4.
Mystery Achiever
Footballguy
i really hate that they gave him that personal service contract that allows him to leave the team whenever he wants. it's great to be a yankee again...at least 1 day in 5, right, roger?
Steelnation
Footballguy
Beats-the-Red-Sox Clap-Clap...clap-clap-clap
prefontaine
Footballguy
Are there any teams that have payrolls less than $28MM? I've got to think there are some that are close.
Koya
Footballguy
A lot of my "real" Yanks friends are hating this. The fact that ONCE AGAIN the yankees SWEAR to act in a certain way (in this case not giving any one play special treatment) only to go back on their word. On this whole staged deal at the stadium yesterday which they thought was hokey at best and this notion of Roger "coming home" when 4 of his 20+ years were in a yankee uniform as no more than a mercinary.
The fact is, Roger was doing very well in the NL... let's see how it translates with one more year of age in the AL. I guess it is more important to panic and treat roger like some great yankee while they let ego's get in the way of Bernie, a TRUE yank.
The fact is, Roger was doing very well in the NL... let's see how it translates with one more year of age in the AL. I guess it is more important to panic and treat roger like some great yankee while they let ego's get in the way of Bernie, a TRUE yank.
the moops
Footballguy
Clemens put up ERAs of 4.35 and 3.91 (ERA+ of 101 and 112) in 2001/2002, the last time he actually had to face real teams. Amazing what going to the NL will do for a career.Mussina has an ERA near 6 in the only 3 games he started this year.
It was a complete joke that Wang was anywhere near the top 10 in Cy Young voting. BUt idiot sportswriters see 19 wins and think the guy must have been unhittable.
But yeah, you do have Andy Pettite.
prefontaine
Footballguy
Nice timing
PatsWillWin
Footballguy
Clemens on that team puts the Yankees over the top!!!!!!*
* - the Marlins and Blue Jays
* - the Marlins and Blue Jays
Usual21
Footballguy
Wang had a GREAT year last year. Unhittable? No. Good pitcher? Yes.Clemens put up ERAs of 4.35 and 3.91 (ERA+ of 101 and 112) in 2001/2002, the last time he actually had to face real teams. Amazing what going to the NL will do for a career.Mussina has an ERA near 6 in the only 3 games he started this year.
It was a complete joke that Wang was anywhere near the top 10 in Cy Young voting. BUt idiot sportswriters see 19 wins and think the guy must have been unhittable.
But yeah, you do have Andy Pettite.
Usual21
Footballguy
I wish they would've brought Bernie back as well, but they didn't let him go. They offered him a chance to play with them in Spring Training as a non-roster invitee and make the team. They didn't have to do that. He decided not to go.
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2007: 5-1
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EXCELLENT post.
Tough As Nails
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Last 80 years: 26-1
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Last 7 years: 1-0 Who cares? These numbers impact this season how, exactly, again? I'm curious what the "championship ring" bonus is this year...... and is there any added bonus for those rings coming recently or does really old stuff still count?Tough As Nails said:Last 80 years: 26-1
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Tough As Nails
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So it's the now that matters? Nothing else...right? You'll never talk about the 2004 season again because it doesn't impact this season. Or are you just Mr. Select Memory?' date='May 7 2007, 02:19 PM' post='6723046']
Last 7 years: 1-0 Who cares? These numbers impact this season how, exactly, again? I'm curious what the "championship ring" bonus is this year...... and is there any added bonus for those rings coming recently or does really old stuff still count?Tough As Nails said:Last 80 years: 26-1
Usual21
Footballguy
Exactly. I love how '04 made all of the Redsox fans cocky as hell. That season was like when Lyle Lovett married Julia Roberts. A freak occurence.So it's the now that matters? Nothing else...right? You'll never talk about the 2004 season again because it doesn't impact this season. Or are you just Mr. Select Memory?' date='May 7 2007, 02:19 PM' post='6723046']
Last 7 years: 1-0 Who cares? These numbers impact this season how, exactly, again? I'm curious what the "championship ring" bonus is this year...... and is there any added bonus for those rings coming recently or does really old stuff still count?Tough As Nails said:
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I certainly think they'll spend at it and they're a threat in every game because of that lineup, but we'll see the same deleterious effects of too many egos and not enough chemistry as last year, with the added detriment that their bullpen is swiss cheese. They can put up runs, but they'll give up more. I think they have a worse team than the Sox by a mile, seriously, and you'll see that by August. With too many good teams in the AL competing for Wild Card spots... (There are currently 5 teams OTHER than the division leaders with a higher winning %,) that I think it's either win the division or no spot.The Yankees are always a threat, I admit, because they'll pull every rabbit out of the hat they can and money is no object, but what they have right now is a losing formula. They're injury depleted pitching staff is going to continue to ask more and more out of its starters, who will wear down, further deteriorating a bullpen that is already worn. If you can't get six or seven out of your starters, you have to assume you're giving up three or more runs if you're the Yankees. That's going to translate to 50/50 results, even with their bats.
So no. I don't see the Yankees in the playoffs this year.
If I see some quality starts back to back from all four of their decent starters, I may worry. Wang looks to be quality. I wouldn't be surprised if Mussina, Pettite and Clemens all struggle to put up Ws.
Yankee23Fan
Fair Tax!
And the Red Sox have the largest increase, which is surprising as well. It's actually an interesting list. If I remember the luxury tax sharing numbers, there is no reason why any team should have a payroll lower then $40 million.When you look at that list, there are 4. What is interesting off the bat, is that above those 4 teams, the next lowest payroll is in the $50 million range. There is no good reason of any kind possible to support the payrolls of the Pirates Nationals Marlins and Devil Rays. They hurt baseball exponentially more then the Yankees Red Sox and Mets (the top 3 above the next real pack) ever could by spending their money.
If you take out those 7 outlier teams, the payrolls range from the White Sox at $109 to the D'Backs at $52 and the middle guys are the A's and Astros. in the $78-$87 range.
5 years ago the anti baseball payroll group used the Tigers as their example of how small market teams could never compete against the big money teams. No one seems to be crying about Detroit anymore - especially considering their $90 million payroll. The A's and Angels were teams that were talked about in possible contraction, even though the A's were a contender year in and year out. The Angels have since won a title. Even the Royals have a $60 million payroll.
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Do you see me quoting numbers from 2004 in this thread? Please link to the last time I used data from 2004 to support an argument about the outcome of this season.(instances whe're I'm responding to similar data or being sarcastic don't count).So it's the now that matters? Nothing else...right? You'll never talk about the 2004 season again because it doesn't impact this season. Or are you just Mr. Select Memory?' date='May 7 2007, 02:19 PM' post='6723046']
Last 7 years: 1-0 Who cares? These numbers impact this season how, exactly, again? I'm curious what the "championship ring" bonus is this year...... and is there any added bonus for those rings coming recently or does really old stuff still count?Tough As Nails said:Last 80 years: 26-1
Mister Martie
Footballguy
Sounds like Red Sox fans are pretty wound up about this one.
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