Ghost Rider
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It sounds like McNamee was unhappy about having to rat his buddy out, but feels like he had no other choice.
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Koya
Footballguy
I heard that the Clemens call was to beg McNamee to not sue Clemens, then Clemens turns and sues Mc. In term sof need someone bigger, if McNamee made #### up then arent all of his assurances of leniency / amnesty out the window?Not sure. The phone call lends credence to the theory McNamee was just throwing out as much as he could to avoid jail. After awhile the investigators were likely saying, "that isn't good enough, we need someone bigger." I'll wait until all the evidence is in but I agree with some that the peanut gallery was too quick to convict here. Clemens is really bringing the big guns out here and he is not ####### around. If this is alland he is clean then good for him.
NY/NJMFDIVER
Footballguy
Where did the rocket dig up that S-kicker lawyer? That guy can really cut the pie.
Doctor Detroit
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I think we both know how many innocent people have gone to jail over the years because of false accusations. As far as leniency and amnesty he didn't have to bring Clemens in if it wasn't true but investigators may have said after a time they needed a bigger name when in fact, it really didn't matter. To me this is discrediting the Mitchell report more than Clemens. Here's a good conspiracy theory:What if this was MLB's plan all along? What if they told McNamee to throw Clemens name out there knowing that Clemens the crazy Texan he is would go ape #### in his own defense so that they could discredit the Mitchell Investigation which they probably never wanted to begin with? I mean that seems far fetched but baseball as we all know is more "organizaed" than the other sports with these matters.I heard that the Clemens call was to beg McNamee to not sue Clemens, then Clemens turns and sues Mc. In term sof need someone bigger, if McNamee made #### up then arent all of his assurances of leniency / amnesty out the window?Not sure. The phone call lends credence to the theory McNamee was just throwing out as much as he could to avoid jail. After awhile the investigators were likely saying, "that isn't good enough, we need someone bigger." I'll wait until all the evidence is in but I agree with some that the peanut gallery was too quick to convict here. Clemens is really bringing the big guns out here and he is not ####### around. If this is alland he is clean then good for him.
NY/NJMFDIVER
Footballguy
Its funny watching Clemens dance this dance where he thinks he'll outsmart the media while insulting them.
In all honesty, I will personally afford him the benefit of the doubt at the moment. He's taking definative steps that will forever mar his reputation if he was lying. There are quotes going on that he'll never live down, and I don't know if he's thinking that far ahead, but while this sorts out, I will give him the benefit.
But my hunch is that I think he did them, and there are too many tracks to cover up, and by launching into a spectacle like this, and motivating a few of the people he insulted, if his case didn't have the media's attention before, it will now and people are going to really start to dig.
In all honesty, I will personally afford him the benefit of the doubt at the moment. He's taking definative steps that will forever mar his reputation if he was lying. There are quotes going on that he'll never live down, and I don't know if he's thinking that far ahead, but while this sorts out, I will give him the benefit.
But my hunch is that I think he did them, and there are too many tracks to cover up, and by launching into a spectacle like this, and motivating a few of the people he insulted, if his case didn't have the media's attention before, it will now and people are going to really start to dig.
Koya
Footballguy
Just heard Roger's response as well as the phone call itself. I have to say, he sounded far more convincing than what I have seen from the 60 minutes interview. I really don't know what to believe at this point. Some things really help Roger out - how McNamee would not say "you did do it" even once on the phone call... then again, Roger and Mc could have talked BEFORE the taped portion and essentially laid out what to say when they did tape it. At this point, however, we have a HUGE story either way:Either Roger is indeed a roider, and he is going to have to go under oath and will apparantly answer questions (at least as of today), OR he was actually falsely accused and now the Mitchell Report, Mitchells sterling repuation and his career and obviously MLB are going to look very, very, VERY bad. It would mean the end of Selig if Baseball was this involved in knowingly mis-implicating one of its own greatest starts and god knows what else. That might actually the most interesting possible outcome. Rog is somehow actually innocent, this was aDoctor Detroit said:I think we both know how many innocent people have gone to jail over the years because of false accusations. As far as leniency and amnesty he didn't have to bring Clemens in if it wasn't true but investigators may have said after a time they needed a bigger name when in fact, it really didn't matter. To me this is discrediting the Mitchell report more than Clemens. Here's a good conspiracy theory:What if this was MLB's plan all along? What if they told McNamee to throw Clemens name out there knowing that Clemens the crazy Texan he is would go ape #### in his own defense so that they could discredit the Mitchell Investigation which they probably never wanted to begin with? I mean that seems far fetched but baseball as we all know is more "organizaed" than the other sports with these matters.Koya said:I heard that the Clemens call was to beg McNamee to not sue Clemens, then Clemens turns and sues Mc. In term sof need someone bigger, if McNamee made #### up then arent all of his assurances of leniency / amnesty out the window?Doctor Detroit said:Not sure. The phone call lends credence to the theory McNamee was just throwing out as much as he could to avoid jail. After awhile the investigators were likely saying, "that isn't good enough, we need someone bigger." I'll wait until all the evidence is in but I agree with some that the peanut gallery was too quick to convict here. Clemens is really bringing the big guns out here and he is not ####### around. If this is allKoya said:and he is clean then good for him.
all along and Roger would use his huge resources to demonstrate that fact. In reality, Rog probably just did them, but this is getting weird.
Doctor Detroit
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The phone call was weird. It seemed like both guys were recording and trying to get the upper-hand. Clemens isn't good at lying or being fake and that's what I take from all this. I truly believe Clemens has a difficult time not being genuine which in my eyes makes me think he is more than likely innocent at least of these accusations. I'm not saying he didn't take some sort of performance enhancer at some point, I'm just thinking he didn't get any from McNamee.
Jefferson the Caregiver
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I don't know where you arrive at this thoery. Doesn't make any sense to me.
Doctor Detroit
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I'm from Detroit, I need a lot of evidence to presume guilt. I would not be good on a jury, I can assure you that.
Jefferson the Caregiver
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The funny thing here is though, you state he probably did do them, he just didn't get them from McNamee. Now tell me where that evidence is coming from? Seems to me you are taking a bigger leap than anyone else.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Not sure what to think at this point, but Clemens nonverbal behavior was not good. Every time he said something that could be a lie regarding steroids, he blinked his eyes very fast and his body language was very shifty and nervous-like. I know some will laugh that stuff off, but when it comes to lying, nonverbal communication is much more important than what is actually said. Based on his nonverbal communication, Clemens definitely has something to hide.
Koya
Footballguy
Interesting. I only heard it on radio, and that is why I was (surprisingly) taken by how he sounded more sincere than I expected.
Pat Patriot
Footballguy
I think Clemens is lying through his teeth and dont believe his martyr act for one second. Come on, already crying about how much money it would/will cost to defend him when he received $20 million for that turd of a season he put up last year.
NY/NJMFDIVER
Footballguy
As a Yankee fan who ponied up that cash, I agree, that was almost insulting. I understand the theory of what he's talking about, and its a terrible pinch the innocent get put through to prove that in the way our society is structured, especially the little guy.But Clemens is not a little guy, and he can afford this. And while there may not be fire, there is more than enough smoke to justify all this.
Just caught up on all the stuff....
For the record, I'm a mets fan and do not like Clemens... Even before all of this came out I thought he was a juicer but......
Something does not add up here...I mean why would Clemens go to the extreme of taping a phone conversation, hiring private investigators, testify in front of Congress risking perjury, denying like crazy etc... Granted he could be so crazy about his "legacy" that he is going to extremes to make himself a martyr but all of this doesn't smell right...
For the record, I'm a mets fan and do not like Clemens... Even before all of this came out I thought he was a juicer but......
Something does not add up here...I mean why would Clemens go to the extreme of taping a phone conversation, hiring private investigators, testify in front of Congress risking perjury, denying like crazy etc... Granted he could be so crazy about his "legacy" that he is going to extremes to make himself a martyr but all of this doesn't smell right...
Wrigley
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ITS CALLED IMMORTALITY...........or the Hall of Fame
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Doctor Detroit
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I think I said "possible" earlier and I'm saying above it's not out of the question. That's not taking a leap, it's having an open mind. I'm a fairly neutral observer here, and I'm not just going to say he's definitely guilty because I want it to be true.
whoknew
Footballguy
You usually need only one party's consent. In this case, Roger's.
satch
Footballguy
After hearing that phone conversation, I'm completely convinced that Clemens is guilty of the things he's accused of doing and I'm surprised that more people don't see this as clearly as I do. I would love to hear specific rebuttals to what I took from it:
McNamee clearly admires and respects Clemens, and their relationship is one more like family than trainer/trainee. I heard nothing to indicate that McNamee had any reason to lie about Clemens and destroy the relationship that they both clearly value. McNamee had no motive to lie. I don't buy the theory that the feds pressured him into lying. If that were the case he would've said so on the phone. I do beleive the feds pressured him into telling the truth.
When McNamee says repeatedly "What do you want me to do?", it's just a nicer way of saying, "Roger, we both know you did it, if I didn't tell them I'd go to prison. What do you want me to do?" Roger balks at this question every time because the only true answer is "I want you to lie", which he cannot say on a phone call that he knows is being taped. He also doesn't say "I want you to tell the truth" becuase he knows McNamee is telling the truth. Neither of them ever directly address the truth becuase they both already know the truth so there is nothing to debate.
McNamee even offers to attend the press conference. Why didn't Clemens say, "Yes, I want you to come to the press conference and tell everyone the truth!" Because he was worried for McNamee's safety? Is that how you would feel if you were Clemens? Am I supposed to beleive that Clemens is more concerned with McNamees safety than clearing his name at this point?
Why was Clemens so calm with McNamee on the phone? He's up there yelling at the media, yet when he's got the guy who supposedly lied and ruined his life on the phone he's completely calm with him? Because, that phone call was one in which both parties knew the truth. They were both screwed, they were both responsible, and they could not blame each other becuase they are both to blame.
McNamee clearly admires and respects Clemens, and their relationship is one more like family than trainer/trainee. I heard nothing to indicate that McNamee had any reason to lie about Clemens and destroy the relationship that they both clearly value. McNamee had no motive to lie. I don't buy the theory that the feds pressured him into lying. If that were the case he would've said so on the phone. I do beleive the feds pressured him into telling the truth.
When McNamee says repeatedly "What do you want me to do?", it's just a nicer way of saying, "Roger, we both know you did it, if I didn't tell them I'd go to prison. What do you want me to do?" Roger balks at this question every time because the only true answer is "I want you to lie", which he cannot say on a phone call that he knows is being taped. He also doesn't say "I want you to tell the truth" becuase he knows McNamee is telling the truth. Neither of them ever directly address the truth becuase they both already know the truth so there is nothing to debate.
McNamee even offers to attend the press conference. Why didn't Clemens say, "Yes, I want you to come to the press conference and tell everyone the truth!" Because he was worried for McNamee's safety? Is that how you would feel if you were Clemens? Am I supposed to beleive that Clemens is more concerned with McNamees safety than clearing his name at this point?
Why was Clemens so calm with McNamee on the phone? He's up there yelling at the media, yet when he's got the guy who supposedly lied and ruined his life on the phone he's completely calm with him? Because, that phone call was one in which both parties knew the truth. They were both screwed, they were both responsible, and they could not blame each other becuase they are both to blame.
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Jefferson the Caregiver
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You are correct on all counts. The bolded paragraph is spot on.Clemens has accomplished absolutely nothing the last couple of days except show the public that he is the bulldog that we already knew he was, he will fight this to the grave.satch said:
Nigel
Footballguy
satch said:
My thoughts exactly. If Roger wanted to exonerate himself on a secretly recorded phone call why did he not once say "Mac, why did you lie? You know you never injected me with steroids - why are you ####### me over like this?". Answer: Roger was sitting in a room with lawyers who had coached him up for days on precisely how to phrase things without going over a line from which he could not return. Using vague phrases like "someone needs to tell the truth" instead of saying, like any innocent man would, "Mac, you're a ####### liar - you need to come clean!". The lawyers were passing him notes throughout the call, thus the long awkward pauses.The fact that Clemens was so cordial with the guy who is supposedly lying in an attempt to ruin his life is icing on the cake.
SuperJohn96
RPS World Champion
The phone call sounded like they were trying to bait each other.
I heard a lawyer on the radio this morning say that Roger could not have come out and said anything leading to McNamee because then it would have looked like he was trying to influence a witness.
e.g. "Mac, just tell them I never took steroids." = influencing
What Roger did with the help of his lawyers was try to lead him into saying that on his own, which he never did.
But, combined with McNamee alluding that talking on his cell phone wasn't safe, what struck me is that McNamee kept saying "just tell me what to do" as if he knew that somebody was recording his conversation.
If McNamee (or USA) was recording it on his end, then Roger responding with "Mac, just tell them I never took steroids" would have landed Roger in hot water.
The other scenario is that they both were in on sort of a planned conversation, where neither said anything that could land them in trouble, and that the conversation was enough for Roger to use at his press conference to say, "look, when Roger said he never took steroids, McNamee never said, yes you did Roger.
If that is the case, the McNamee helped his friend a bit after he rolled on him.
I want to believe Roger, but it really stretches my common sense to think that McNamee was so involved with steroids, that Roger's career took a big upswing when he started "training" with McNamee, that Roger physically got much larger pretty quickly, that Roger took him with him to New York, that Andy Pettite got HGH from him (and admitted to it), and that all the steroid use happened under Rogers nose without him having any clue that it was going on.
IF IF IF Roger didn't take roids from McNamee, I am supposed to believe he had no clue what was going on around him? That somehow McNamee got to Pettite but never once even asked Roger if he wanted to take "anything extra", and Roger said no to that?
If Roger had said, yes I knew all about what was going on, but I never took anything...then that would be more believable than Roger having no clue his (practically) personal trainer was doing all this.
I think he is lying about that, so that makes me doubt everything else he is saying is true.
I heard a lawyer on the radio this morning say that Roger could not have come out and said anything leading to McNamee because then it would have looked like he was trying to influence a witness.
e.g. "Mac, just tell them I never took steroids." = influencing
What Roger did with the help of his lawyers was try to lead him into saying that on his own, which he never did.
But, combined with McNamee alluding that talking on his cell phone wasn't safe, what struck me is that McNamee kept saying "just tell me what to do" as if he knew that somebody was recording his conversation.
If McNamee (or USA) was recording it on his end, then Roger responding with "Mac, just tell them I never took steroids" would have landed Roger in hot water.
The other scenario is that they both were in on sort of a planned conversation, where neither said anything that could land them in trouble, and that the conversation was enough for Roger to use at his press conference to say, "look, when Roger said he never took steroids, McNamee never said, yes you did Roger.
If that is the case, the McNamee helped his friend a bit after he rolled on him.
I want to believe Roger, but it really stretches my common sense to think that McNamee was so involved with steroids, that Roger's career took a big upswing when he started "training" with McNamee, that Roger physically got much larger pretty quickly, that Roger took him with him to New York, that Andy Pettite got HGH from him (and admitted to it), and that all the steroid use happened under Rogers nose without him having any clue that it was going on.
IF IF IF Roger didn't take roids from McNamee, I am supposed to believe he had no clue what was going on around him? That somehow McNamee got to Pettite but never once even asked Roger if he wanted to take "anything extra", and Roger said no to that?
If Roger had said, yes I knew all about what was going on, but I never took anything...then that would be more believable than Roger having no clue his (practically) personal trainer was doing all this.
I think he is lying about that, so that makes me doubt everything else he is saying is true.
Bossman
Footballguy
Roger could have responded with "I want you to tell everyone the truth" or "just tell the truth". There is no way that statement could land Clemens "in hot water" and I should think if he were innocent, that would have been his first response. Instead he dodged the question "what do you want me to do?" and why would McNamee say "I didn't want to go to jail" and "do you want me to go to jail?" in the phone conversation. The only way he would go to jail is if he lies to agents. He told the truth to avoid jail.
It must be very difficult for Clemens to admit to his freinds, kids, wife, that he lied to them and said he never did it. I almost feel sory for him.
Workhorse
Footballguy
I'll tell you why: Clemens wanted McNamee to come right out and say "Give me money, I'll recant my testimony and go to jail for the right price." That way, Clemens could paint McNamee as an extortionist and blow his credibility. Instead, McNamee KNOWS that he's being taped and tries to get Clemens to offer a bribe point blank ("Roger, what do you want me to do"). There's a reason why Clemens never comes out and says "C'mon Brian, tell them the truth" and McNamee never says "Roger, just fess up." Obviously, just my opinion but its the only thing that makes sense to me.AmpLee said:
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Snotbubbles
Footballguy
"I did not take steriods. Period"--Rafeal PalmeiroI could care less what Clemens says at the hearings. McNamee's information was given credibility by Pettite's admission of HGH use. But trying to prove that Clemens used steriods or HGH is virtually impossible. So it's in Clemens best interest to lie.AmpLee said:
Neo
The Dude minds
What worries me about that whole thing is McNamee basically says he'd go to jail for Roger....and asks him if that's what he wants. Rogers cleverly says I want someone to tell the truth. He is basically telling McNamee, yes I want you to go to jail.....take back the real truth that I used steroids and say you lied. I.E. go to jail. I just hope McNamee has more backbone than it sounded like in that phone conversation. IMO, Clemens is so f'in guilty it's laughable.
dickey moe
Fingerpicker
The "lidocaine and B-12" injections are what sealed it for me. There has been a lot of discussion of this on sports talk radio. Lidocaine is injected into the joint (not the muscle, as you would typically get a shot in the butt) by an experienced doctor and is not an easy procedure. You simply don't have a trainer inject you with lidocaine -- they don't have the experience and know-how to do it. This claim by Clemens is simply bogus. I supposed he could always pull out the "well, that's what he told me it was!" card...
This whole situation sucks.
This whole situation sucks.
Jefferson the Caregiver
Rebel Without A Pause
Roger Clemens has to be the biggest ##### in MLB at this point.
I can't think of anyone worse.
I can't think of anyone worse.
Mookie Blaylock
Footballguy
Clemens is baseball's answer to Bonds. That is, if baseball didn't have a great, white athlete Bonds would have made this REALLY messy. The conspiracy is that Bonds would have outed Clemens himself if he had to. The only reason Bonds acted the way he did, so smug and arrogant - above these allegations - was that he knew there was a player with equal star quality that would go down as well -- Clemens. (I don't know how Bonds knew, ok. It's a conspiracy theory)It's been said before, but Clemens is playing high stakes poker right now. No more no less. Bonds has to be the happiest man in America right now.Doctor Detroit said:I think we both know how many innocent people have gone to jail over the years because of false accusations. As far as leniency and amnesty he didn't have to bring Clemens in if it wasn't true but investigators may have said after a time they needed a bigger name when in fact, it really didn't matter. To me this is discrediting the Mitchell report more than Clemens. Here's a good conspiracy theory:What if this was MLB's plan all along? What if they told McNamee to throw Clemens name out there knowing that Clemens the crazy Texan he is would go ape #### in his own defense so that they could discredit the Mitchell Investigation which they probably never wanted to begin with? I mean that seems far fetched but baseball as we all know is more "organizaed" than the other sports with these matters.Koya said:I heard that the Clemens call was to beg McNamee to not sue Clemens, then Clemens turns and sues Mc. In term sof need someone bigger, if McNamee made #### up then arent all of his assurances of leniency / amnesty out the window?Doctor Detroit said:Not sure. The phone call lends credence to the theory McNamee was just throwing out as much as he could to avoid jail. After awhile the investigators were likely saying, "that isn't good enough, we need someone bigger." I'll wait until all the evidence is in but I agree with some that the peanut gallery was too quick to convict here. Clemens is really bringing the big guns out here and he is not ####### around. If this is alland he is clean then good for him.
Jefferson the Caregiver
Rebel Without A Pause
Do you understand that Clemens is obsessed by how he is viewed by the general public? He loves the glory, it is what drives him and is what ultimately drives him to cheat as well.This is why he does stupid things like put the 300 win logo on his glove before he even got his 300 win. This is why in his taped video that he did over Christmas on You Tube has the Rocket 300 logo proudly on display behind him. The guy wants to be worshipped, he is what his stats made him. This is why he got kind of offended yesterday when his lawyer made the pampered athlete remark, he knew it was in jest, yet he had to mention it because he is obsessed with what people think of him and cannot let anything out there that could make him look bad.Do not believe for a second that Clemens does not care if he gets inducted into the Hall. It means everything to him and he will do whatever it takes to protect his legacy. All of his stats that he holds in such high regard are no longer meaningful if it is ever proven that he cheated and there is no way he will allow this to happen. This is his LIFE.Honestly I think Clemens is a borderline psychopath. He is guilty but he will never admit it. Biggest PHONY in all sports.AmpLee said:
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Mookie Blaylock
Footballguy
He's not a bigger phony than A Rod but other than that I agree with you 100%. The guy is a freak. The glove thing was incredibly rediculous.
Bossman
Footballguy
shadyridr
Footballguy
Clemens is baseball's answer to Bonds. That is, if baseball didn't have a great, white athlete Bonds would have made this REALLY messy. The conspiracy is that Bonds would have outed Clemens himself if he had to. The only reason Bonds acted the way he did, so smug and arrogant - above these allegations - was that he knew there was a player with equal star quality that would go down as well -- Clemens. (I don't know how Bonds knew, ok. It's a conspiracy theory)It's been said before, but Clemens is playing high stakes poker right now. No more no less. Bonds has to be the happiest man in America right now.Doctor Detroit said:I think we both know how many innocent people have gone to jail over the years because of false accusations. As far as leniency and amnesty he didn't have to bring Clemens in if it wasn't true but investigators may have said after a time they needed a bigger name when in fact, it really didn't matter. To me this is discrediting the Mitchell report more than Clemens. Here's a good conspiracy theory:Koya said:I heard that the Clemens call was to beg McNamee to not sue Clemens, then Clemens turns and sues Mc. In term sof need someone bigger, if McNamee made #### up then arent all of his assurances of leniency / amnesty out the window?Doctor Detroit said:Not sure. The phone call lends credence to the theory McNamee was just throwing out as much as he could to avoid jail. After awhile the investigators were likely saying, "that isn't good enough, we need someone bigger." I'll wait until all the evidence is in but I agree with some that the peanut gallery was too quick to convict here. Clemens is really bringing the big guns out here and he is not ####### around. If this is alland he is clean then good for him.
What if this was MLB's plan all along? What if they told McNamee to throw Clemens name out there knowing that Clemens the crazy Texan he is would go ape #### in his own defense so that they could discredit the Mitchell Investigation which they probably never wanted to begin with? I mean that seems far fetched but baseball as we all know is more "organizaed" than the other sports with these matters.
Doctor Detroit
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Clemens is baseball's answer to Bonds. That is, if baseball didn't have a great, white athlete Bonds would have made this REALLY messy. The conspiracy is that Bonds would have outed Clemens himself if he had to. The only reason Bonds acted the way he did, so smug and arrogant - above these allegations - was that he knew there was a player with equal star quality that would go down as well -- Clemens. (I don't know how Bonds knew, ok. It's a conspiracy theory)It's been said before, but Clemens is playing high stakes poker right now. No more no less. Bonds has to be the happiest man in America right now.Doctor Detroit said:I think we both know how many innocent people have gone to jail over the years because of false accusations. As far as leniency and amnesty he didn't have to bring Clemens in if it wasn't true but investigators may have said after a time they needed a bigger name when in fact, it really didn't matter. To me this is discrediting the Mitchell report more than Clemens. Here's a good conspiracy theory:Koya said:I heard that the Clemens call was to beg McNamee to not sue Clemens, then Clemens turns and sues Mc. In term sof need someone bigger, if McNamee made #### up then arent all of his assurances of leniency / amnesty out the window?Doctor Detroit said:Not sure. The phone call lends credence to the theory McNamee was just throwing out as much as he could to avoid jail. After awhile the investigators were likely saying, "that isn't good enough, we need someone bigger." I'll wait until all the evidence is in but I agree with some that the peanut gallery was too quick to convict here. Clemens is really bringing the big guns out here and he is not ####### around. If this is all
What if this was MLB's plan all along? What if they told McNamee to throw Clemens name out there knowing that Clemens the crazy Texan he is would go ape #### in his own defense so that they could discredit the Mitchell Investigation which they probably never wanted to begin with? I mean that seems far fetched but baseball as we all know is more "organizaed" than the other sports with these matters.
skillz
Footballguy
Giambi too. The problem with Clemens and Bonds is that they have a legacy they want to preserve (despite Roger's idiotic and unprovoked comment that he doesn't care about the Hall of Fame) whereas Giambi and Pettitte, while good players, are not Hall of Fame candidates so they have far "less" to lose by admitting guilt.I am still on the fence on this one. Even though I dislike the guy tremendously, I am not going to say Clemens was a steroid user yet. I am sure there are going to be more facts that come out at the Congressional hearing next week, and during the defamation lawsuit that we just don't know about yet.I will say that Roger is going to look like a complete moron (far more than Palmeiro) if he was indeed a steroid user based on the way he acted at that press conference. I don't think he did himself any favors attacking and provoking the media since they are the ones who are going to continue investigating and writing stories on the issue.
Statorama
Footballguy
Until you mentioned it, I had completely forgotten about Pettitte's steroid use.
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Wrigley
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Doesn't this kind of sound like a threat?
Koya
Footballguy
Mc's lawyers are none to happy about yesterday's tape recording stunt:
“What does (Clemens) do, he calls him back with his lawyer in the room and a tape recorder going,” Emery said. “He wants to play that game, he’s going to get buried. I have no compunction about putting him in jail.
“This is war.”
McNamee’s lawyers said that the former trainer contacted Clemens because his ill 10-year-old son might have his spirits heightened by a phone call from his favorite player. Instead, Clemens used McNamee’s vulnerability to attack him, the legal team said.
“He’s angry that the information about his son was manipulated in that fashion,” said Ward.
“The original text message to Roger said, ‘My son is sick, can you call him at home?’ Brian was not even living there. He had no intention of talking to Clemens. (Clemens) never did call his son.”
Now, take this with a grain of salt because it is Mc's lawyers talking, but if Roger doesn't have the case behind him, he is playing a very, very dangerous game of chicken, and if he does not get out of the way he will get rolled.
What is worse is if indeed McNamee called to have Clemens talk to his (dying) son, and Rog just used the opportunity to try and build his own personal case.
Obviously, a lot of he said he said and heresay here... but this could get very, very ugly for Clemens.
“What does (Clemens) do, he calls him back with his lawyer in the room and a tape recorder going,” Emery said. “He wants to play that game, he’s going to get buried. I have no compunction about putting him in jail.
“This is war.”
McNamee’s lawyers said that the former trainer contacted Clemens because his ill 10-year-old son might have his spirits heightened by a phone call from his favorite player. Instead, Clemens used McNamee’s vulnerability to attack him, the legal team said.
“He’s angry that the information about his son was manipulated in that fashion,” said Ward.
“The original text message to Roger said, ‘My son is sick, can you call him at home?’ Brian was not even living there. He had no intention of talking to Clemens. (Clemens) never did call his son.”
Now, take this with a grain of salt because it is Mc's lawyers talking, but if Roger doesn't have the case behind him, he is playing a very, very dangerous game of chicken, and if he does not get out of the way he will get rolled.
What is worse is if indeed McNamee called to have Clemens talk to his (dying) son, and Rog just used the opportunity to try and build his own personal case.
Obviously, a lot of he said he said and heresay here... but this could get very, very ugly for Clemens.
Koya
Footballguy
It is REALLY starting to get ugly. It might just get a lot worse, too.
Mookie Blaylock
Footballguy
Rocket has been lying for a long time to a lot of people. I saw the phone conversation as something of a front but it wasn't until I saw that look on Roger's face, that "See, see, see what he's sayin? See, he's on my side" look. I believe he is lying to save himself but he is so far into this lie that he just can't get out. It's sad to see him squirm and posture like he is. Petitte does not have near as much to lose as Roger. Why wouldn't he admit his use?
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