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nygiants56
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or will at least take on a much bigger role in that offense..Bell is the change of pace guy, Dayne looks like he could be the starter..but I'd bet Denver acquires a RB in free agency ( Ricky?) or drafts one...
KnowledgeReignsSupreme
Footballguy
What size shoe does Mike Anderson wear?
Family Matters
Footballguy
He doesn't waer shoes. He doesn't need them, he's a Marine.
Dayne has more talent & ability than Anderson. Shanahan loved Dayne in the NFL draft and has been watching carefully to try to obtain him after the Giants screwed him up.
I wouldn't be surrpised in the least to see Dayne as the featured RB next season. It'll definitely make watching DEN's first day draft picks worth watching to try & get some guidance.
I wouldn't be surrpised in the least to see Dayne as the featured RB next season. It'll definitely make watching DEN's first day draft picks worth watching to try & get some guidance.
Family Matters
Footballguy
I wouldn't be surprised if Shanny finds a good back on day 2 either. They know how to scout their backs.
wannabee
Footballguy
:insert clarett joke here: just kidding f/mI do not think Dayne is the answer. Neither is Bell, less a change of pace role. This leaves the aging and cut (but could be re-signed) Mike Anderson and either a vet in free agency or a rookie.
I think Denver, rightly or wrongly so, has confidence in their ability to find RBs in the draft. I think they reached for Clarett and are disappointed in Bell. Still, Denver and Shanny have confidence.
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CA_7
Footballguy
Family Matters
Footballguy
That was a huge bust alright. Of course we new it was when they made the pick. Just to clarify, Clarrett was a first day pick, even if he was the last 1st day pick. And he was a huge reach to be drafted, let alone in the 3rd, but they felt he would not be there in the 6th when they picked again.They have proven many times over they find backs to fit their system but I'm with you, I don't see Dayne as the answer. I've been wrong before but I just not sold at this point.
wannabee
Footballguy
My point is that they reached for Bell, too. He was a high pick. Denver, historically, has done better with the later round RBs. It seems that they keep looking for something in these two reaches that do not pan out. The Broncos were successful in taking low risk chances on larger RBs, who fit their style.
Family Matters
Footballguy
You reminded me that lately Shanny has been into high risk picks & free agents these last couple of years. I wonder why? For some reason it seems he's changed his demeanor somewhat. Anyone else notice this?
I think it was because Portis fell into his lap in the 2nd round & it turned out so well. Portis was hardly the prototypical DEN RB before he arrived on the scene. Shanahan fell in love with speed, and it bit him with Griffin & Bell. That may send him back to his roots, which is low draft picks who have th qualities that he alone seems to find in RBs.That's also why I think he'll turn to Dayne as a featured RB - Dayne fits Shanahan's system very, very well and Shanahan loves to turn around players that other teams give up on.
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Family Matters
Footballguy
Nice insight Pony. You might be right on in your thinking. It's going to be fun watching the draft and seeing what he does, not only at RB but other positions as well. As for FA's, with all the TO talk, hmmmmmm.
Footballhead
WWPRD?
In Bell and Dayne, Shanahan has 2 Rb's that cannot be count on when its 3rd and short or 4th and short. I think Mike will address this position through the FA.
nygiants56
Footballguy
Giants misused him, but lets remember, he was 3-yards and a cloud of dust in NY..never seen a guy at his weight go down so easily at first contact..he's a powder puff..you can tackle him with a sneeze..
I do not yet have a vested interest in Dayne... however.....
We had our initial 16-team dynasty draft about 3 weeks ago.
Dayne is by far the only potential stud in FA. Right now the bidding for him is roughly 3 times higher than the next most sought after FA (Brian Griese).
Does anyone think Dayne could be the starter for at least a chunk of 2006?
I have never been an advocate of this guy, as he has not even had more than 2 or 3 great games.
I also would think Denver would fill RB through FA, BUT they are ready to sign Dayne toa 2 or 3 year deal. And they cant afford to sign one of the top FA RBs.
I think theyll draft someone (Calhoun? Addai? Maroney?). They could even trade up since they got 2 first rounders.
How does everyone see it shaking down?
We had our initial 16-team dynasty draft about 3 weeks ago.
Dayne is by far the only potential stud in FA. Right now the bidding for him is roughly 3 times higher than the next most sought after FA (Brian Griese).
Does anyone think Dayne could be the starter for at least a chunk of 2006?
I have never been an advocate of this guy, as he has not even had more than 2 or 3 great games.
I also would think Denver would fill RB through FA, BUT they are ready to sign Dayne toa 2 or 3 year deal. And they cant afford to sign one of the top FA RBs.
I think theyll draft someone (Calhoun? Addai? Maroney?). They could even trade up since they got 2 first rounders.
How does everyone see it shaking down?
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Was it Fassel that taught Dayne to treat the line of scrimmage like a tripwire? Dayne is soft. That's it. 
salmonstud
Footballguy
They actually have not signed him, per KFFL:Broncos | Team still talking with Dayne's agent
Tue, 7 Mar 2006 06:20:41 -0800
Bill Williamson, of the Denver Post, reports the Denver Broncos continue to talk with the agent for RB Ron Dayne as they want to re-sign him before he becomes a free agent Thursday, March 9. Because he signed a one-year veteran minimum contract last year, he can't officially re-sign until the start of the league year, which is set to begin Thursday, March 9.
All evidence last year to the contrary. The guy did everything that DEN asked him to do, he kept his mouth shut the whole time, and he worked hard in all phases of the game - including running hard.He looked a lot more like the WIS Dayne that anything we've seen since he went to NY. It wouldn't be the first time DEN will have profited from the Giants because they couldn't or wouldn't take advantage of a player's talent. *cough* *McCaffrey* *cough*Dayne is soft. That's it.
That 270 yards and 1 TD somehow hasnt wiped away the memories of his last 5 years. I suppose if Dayne can stick to averaging 5 carries a game he can be 'impressive', if yards per carry is awarded massive points in your league anyway. If the guy has displayed any talent it is the talent for making people erroneosly believe he has talent. Yeh, in small doses he can display some effectiveness. Give him a full load though... well we've all seen what happens. Anybody with a fantasy football background that wants to gamble on the Denver backfield PLUS Ron Dayne should give it up and play Keno for a living. In my humble opinion of course.
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almost sig worthyFloyd The Barber
Footballguy
mbuehner wrote:
I guess given the choice of trusting your track record of evaluating and developing NfL running backs and Mike Shanahan's, I'll side with Skeletor, thank you.
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Holy Schneikes
Footballguy
Agreed.Dayne had 1 really good game and 2 decent games last year, compared to 70 games or so of complete crap.
Even after he's been cut, Mike Anderson has as good a chance at starting for Denver as Dayne does, probably better. At this point they are both free agents.
But, the whole "Dayne is going to break out this year" thing is always a nice source of entertainment. GB the ole' 6th year RB "breakout".
Personally, I think the way Denver used Dayne in their most important game of the year in 2005 is a pretty good indicator of how they plan to use him in the future.
GiantsRule
Footballguy
Tatum Bell will be the undisputed starter.
That is all.
That is all.
Cecil Lammey
Footballguy
Excellent post. I get sick when people say that Dayne is a short yardage back (yes there are Denver fans that think this). Cedric Cobbs is one guy I will be watching closely out at training camp. He's my dark horse!
Csonka4life
Footballguy
If they truly thought much of Dayne he would have gotten alot more carries this year. At best they will want him for a poor mans Alstott type roll.......
Spike
Footballguy
From Pony Boy:
I think it was because Portis fell into his lap in the 2nd round & it turned out so well. Portis was hardly the prototypical DEN RB before he arrived on the scene. Shanahan fell in love with speed, and it bit him with Griffin & Bell. That may send him back to his roots, which is low draft picks who have th qualities that he alone seems to find in RBs.
That's also why I think he'll turn to Dayne as a featured RB - Dayne fits Shanahan's system very, very well and Shanahan loves to turn around players that other teams give up on.
So you DON'T think Bell is "the man" in Denver?
I think it was because Portis fell into his lap in the 2nd round & it turned out so well. Portis was hardly the prototypical DEN RB before he arrived on the scene. Shanahan fell in love with speed, and it bit him with Griffin & Bell. That may send him back to his roots, which is low draft picks who have th qualities that he alone seems to find in RBs.
That's also why I think he'll turn to Dayne as a featured RB - Dayne fits Shanahan's system very, very well and Shanahan loves to turn around players that other teams give up on.
So you DON'T think Bell is "the man" in Denver?
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I would say that you've made an understatement of significant proportions.LMAO @ "my expert opinion".I'd hate to choose between the two right now. I would absolutely wait until training camp. I think Bell is going to get touches every game, but they will be limited, like they were last season. I think Dayne is either the hoss, or he's a backup with few touches - no in-between. The only way to know whether Shanahan sees Dayne as his hoss is to watch what happens in FA & the draft. You are very clearly in a holding pattern.
If you put a gun to my head & made me decide between the two right now, I'd pick Dayne. I know Bell will be limited (or I think I do), so he essentially has a cap on his potential performance, whereas I might get the DEN #1 RB with Dayne, though I might be cutting him at the end of August, also. My personality is I'd rather take a risk at the top RB in DEN than to take the safe move and get Bell's probable limited numbers.
wickster33
Footballguy
Let me horn in on this. I'd trade them both to someone who is enamored with the success of Denvers running game. Fantasy owners that try to outguess Mike Shanahan usually end up with high lottery picks!
That's also why I think he'll turn to Dayne as a featured RB - Dayne fits Shanahan's system very, very well and Shanahan loves to turn around players that other teams give up on.
So you DON'T think Bell is "the man" in Denver?
I think it was because Portis fell into his lap in the 2nd round & it turned out so well. Portis was hardly the prototypical DEN RB before he arrived on the scene. Shanahan fell in love with speed, and it bit him with Griffin & Bell. That may send him back to his roots, which is low draft picks who have th qualities that he alone seems to find in RBs.
That's also why I think he'll turn to Dayne as a featured RB - Dayne fits Shanahan's system very, very well and Shanahan loves to turn around players that other teams give up on.
So you DON'T think Bell is "the man" in Denver?
Arm Chair Express
Footballguy
First off, take away what he did in NY. They didn't use him right and Barber came into his own as a every down back. His ypc went up from what 3.6 to 5.1 in one year in Denver. Two more points to look at are, What did Droughns do in Detroit before he went to Denver? Nothing! Also as far as your 6th year RB breakout goes, look at Priest. He was on his 3rd team and in his 5th year I believe before he broke out, so it can happen and if anyone can make it happen its Skeletor.
Arm Chair Express
Footballguy
My mistake, for some reason I thought he was in TB before he went to Balt. The fact still remains that he was in his 5th year and a different team. He had one good season, but Balt oviously didn't consider him starting material after drafting Lewis.
Arm Chair Express
Footballguy
My mistake, for some reason I thought he was in TB before he went to Balt. The fact still remains that he was in his 5th year and a different team. He had one good season, but Balt oviously didn't consider him starting material after drafting Lewis.
Ok- zap myself with the Men in Black thingee and forget about Ron Daynes career. Check.
IE: as an NFL running back i assume
If he can average 5 carries a game in other words.
How many carries did Droughns have in Detriot? 30!How many did Dayne have in NY? 585!
The lesson here is you might want to give a guy a starting job before judging him. Not that a guy that has been handed starting jobs time and again will suddenly break out.
Also if anything Priest Holmes is the anti-Ron Dayne. He averaged 4.6 yards a carry in Baltimore. They didnt want him because he didnt have the petigree they expected their stud RB to have. Dayne had the petigree but never produced.
I have no idea what all this talk of NY not using him right meant. They used him in every conceivable configuration just begging him to break out so they could give Tiki his walking papers. What, he was never given a full 25 carry load for a season? Yet suddenly Denver 'knows' how to use him and they are giving him 5 carries a game. This conversation makes _no_ sense. If Denver has cracked the Dayne code, and that equals spot work (at best), that doesnt prove Dayne is a useful running back. It proves he can provide a bit of spot work for Denver. You dont suddenly multiply that by 10 and expect the results to be the same.
I have no idea what all this talk of NY not using him right meant. They used him in every conceivable configuration just begging him to break out so they could give Tiki his walking papers. What, he was never given a full 25 carry load for a season? Yet suddenly Denver 'knows' how to use him and they are giving him 5 carries a game. This conversation makes _no_ sense. If Denver has cracked the Dayne code, and that equals spot work (at best), that doesnt prove Dayne is a useful running back. It proves he can provide a bit of spot work for Denver. You dont suddenly multiply that by 10 and expect the results to be the same.
