Ronnie Brown Ankle Injury (1 Viewer)

[sho nuff]

Yep, this was all just speculation.

At the time...it was. Why the attitude?

I could have asked the same question earlier in this thread. People speculate ALL the time on this site, based on whatever info they have at the time. There were some strong signs that all was not well with Ronnie Brown. People made very reasonable conclusions based on that info.....which you (and others) brushed aside as "oh, that's just speculation". Great, well let's all just bury our heads in the sand then and pretend. If a R Brown owner was able to deal him before this announcement, for a superior deal, then THAT is exactly why it's helpful to speculate. Obviously it could go the other way too.....but I just find it annoying when people brush aside helpful debate as "oh, that's just speculation".End of rant.

It was not brushed aside...it was a wait and see approach with information from a site that is known for pushing rumors that turn out wrong...especially before the guy saw a specialist.Its info to be watching out for...but nothing is helpful if you just buy into Florio's posts as soon as they come out.

 

[Sammy Traveller]

For what it's worth.......CBSNews: Ronnie Brown's season is over for the Miami Dolphins. Miami's leading rusher was placed on injured reserve Wednesday because of what is believed to be a Lisfranc fracture in his right foot, according to the Miami Herald. It's his second season-ending injury in three years. Brown will visit a specialist in Charlotte and is with his teammates as they head there to take on the Panthers in Week 11. According to one of the Herald's sources, Brown's injury is "not anything major as far as career or long term." Brown rushed for 648 yards, caught for 98 yards and passed for 22 yards with nine total touchdowns (one passing) in 2009.

Lisfranc?Duce Staley and Kevin Jones were never the same after that.

 

[xenith]

Yep, this was all just speculation.

At the time...it was. Why the attitude?

I could have asked the same question earlier in this thread. People speculate ALL the time on this site, based on whatever info they have at the time. There were some strong signs that all was not well with Ronnie Brown. People made very reasonable conclusions based on that info.....which you (and others) brushed aside as "oh, that's just speculation". Great, well let's all just bury our heads in the sand then and pretend. If a R Brown owner was able to deal him before this announcement, for a superior deal, then THAT is exactly why it's helpful to speculate. Obviously it could go the other way too.....but I just find it annoying when people brush aside helpful debate as "oh, that's just speculation".End of rant.

I brush aside anything that comes from only ProFootballTalk. They are 90% full of #### rumor mill to get attention. Now when it surfaced on a Florida newpaper site, even if it's the same 'league source', then I start to pay attention. Chance are (not certain, but better) that a newspaper site will double check some facts and sources before they print.Congrats PFT, here's your 1 of 10 pile of #### that stuck on the wall. U rock!Feel better Mike?

 

[Sack-Religious]

For what it's worth.......CBSNews: Ronnie Brown's season is over for the Miami Dolphins. Miami's leading rusher was placed on injured reserve Wednesday because of what is believed to be a Lisfranc fracture in his right foot, according to the Miami Herald. It's his second season-ending injury in three years. Brown will visit a specialist in Charlotte and is with his teammates as they head there to take on the Panthers in Week 11. According to one of the Herald's sources, Brown's injury is "not anything major as far as career or long term." Brown rushed for 648 yards, caught for 98 yards and passed for 22 yards with nine total touchdowns (one passing) in 2009.

Lisfranc?Duce Staley and Kevin Jones were never the same after that.

Lisfanc isn't the death knell it once was.I even think Duce Staley was OK after his fracture, and Kevin Jones looked good until other injuries derailed him.I believe Warrick Dunn had a Lisfranc fracture and came out of it quite well, and more recently Dwight Freeney suffered one and is also doing well.

 

[kegtron]

For what it's worth.......CBSNews: Ronnie Brown's season is over for the Miami Dolphins. Miami's leading rusher was placed on injured reserve Wednesday because of what is believed to be a Lisfranc fracture in his right foot, according to the Miami Herald. It's his second season-ending injury in three years. Brown will visit a specialist in Charlotte and is with his teammates as they head there to take on the Panthers in Week 11. According to one of the Herald's sources, Brown's injury is "not anything major as far as career or long term." Brown rushed for 648 yards, caught for 98 yards and passed for 22 yards with nine total touchdowns (one passing) in 2009.

Lisfranc?Duce Staley and Kevin Jones were never the same after that.

Lisfanc isn't the death knell it once was.I even think Duce Staley was OK after his fracture, and Kevin Jones looked good until other injuries derailed him.I believe Warrick Dunn had a Lisfranc fracture and came out of it quite well, and more recently Dwight Freeney suffered one and is also doing well.

Isaiah Stanback also seems to have recovered nicely from his Lisfranc (although he's hard to judge since he switched positions after the injury).

 

[Art_VanDalay]

Hey guys, I did some medical research on this injury and thought I would post it here. Obviously Ronnie is done for this season but it really does not seem to be an issue for 2010. Based on what I read, if he needs surgery, he must have had a dislocation and the longterm risk of degenerative disease in the foot would be the risk if he tried to come back later. It also appears that even if he did try to come back later it would be at least 6-8 weeks and that wasn't worth the risk to wait that long. I guess I am a little surprised however that the went right to IR so fast so that tells me it must be a clear fracture on the MRI/CT/XRay.

Here's what I found:

Lisfranc injuries occur at the midfoot, where a cluster of small bones forms an arch on top of the foot between the ankle and the toes. From this cluster, five long bones (metatarsals) extend to the toes. The second metatarsal also extends down into the row of small bones and acts as a stabilizing force. The bones are held in place by connective tissues (ligaments) that stretch both across and down the foot. However, there is no connective tissue holding the first metatarsal to the second metatarsal. A twisting fall can break or shift (dislocate) these bones out of place.

Symptoms

Lisfranc fracture-dislocations are often mistaken for sprains. The top of the foot may be swollen and painful. There may be some bruising. If the injury is severe, you may not be able to put any weight on the foot. Lisfranc injuries are often difficult to see on X-rays. Unrecognized Lisfranc injuries can have serious complications such as joint degeneration and compartment syndrome, a build-up of pressure within muscles that can damage nerve cells and blood vessels. If the standard treatment for a sprain (rest, ice and elevation) doesn't reduce the pain and swelling within a day or two, ask your doctor for a referral to an orthopaedic specialist.

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Diagnosis

The orthopaedist will examine your foot for signs of injury. He may hold your heel steady and move your foot around in a circle. This motion produces minimal pain with a sprain, but severe pain with a Lisfranc injury. If your initial X-ray did not show an injury, the orthopaedist may request several other views, including comparison views of the uninjured foot and stress or weightbearing X-rays. In some cases, a computed tomography (CT) scan or magnetic resonance image (MRI) may be necessary to confirm the diagnosis.

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Treatment

Treatment for a Lisfranc injury depends on the severity of the injury. If the bones have not been forced out of position, you will probably have to wear a cast and refrain from putting weight on the foot for about six weeks. When the cast is removed, you may have to wear a rigid arch support. Your orthopaedist will also recommend foot exercises to build strength and help restore full range of motion.

Often, operative treatment is needed to stabilize the bones and hold them in place until healing is complete. Pins, wires or screws may be used. Afterwards, you will have to wear a cast and limit weightbearing on the foot for six to eight weeks. A walking brace may be prescribed when the fixation devices are removed. You may also have to wear an arch support and a rigid soled shoe until all symptoms have disappeared. In some cases, if arthritis develops in these joints, the bones may have to be fused together.

It is important to follow your doctor's orders and refrain from activities until you are given the go-ahead. If you return to activities too quickly, you may easily suffer another injury, resulting in damage to the blood vessels, the development of painful arthritis and an even longer healing time.

 

[Snotbubbles]

Westbrook had a lisfranc injury against Seattle in 2005 (week 13?). Came back fine in 2006.

 

[mlball77]

I like Ronnie a ton, but between the knee and a possible Lisfranc, I'm concerned he'll be a 20 carry (per game) NFL RB again. Significant leg injuries could slow him down. He is reasonably young still, so that is a plus for him and his recovery, but I still have some doubts he'll be the same player again or that MIA or any NFL team will lean on him so heavily going forward (less work per game may keep him healthier).

 

[=Smackdown=]

I like Ronnie a ton, but between the knee and a possible Lisfranc, I'm concerned he'll be a 20 carry (per game) NFL RB again. Significant leg injuries could slow him down. He is reasonably young still, so that is a plus for him and his recovery, but I still have some doubts he'll be the same player again or that MIA or any NFL team will lean on him so heavily going forward (less work per game may keep him healthier).

Out of 80 possible games he was supposed to play he's missed 20 of them. A 1/4 of a season every year for 5 years.

 

[Todem]

I will go on record and state this.

The Dolphins drafted Pat White in the 2nd round of this years draft. They did not go after a proven stud WR which this team sorely lacks. They have a young rising stud in Chad Henne (yes stud). They extended Ricky Williams for next year.

Ronnie Brown will not be back with the Miami Dolphins next season. They will trade for Anquan Boldin or another big time WR like Dwayne Bowe. Pat White will bulk up this off-season. He has too. He will get killed if he does not add muscle mass to his tiny frame. They drafted him to be the heir apparent to the Wildcat. They will also draft another young RB early in the draft next year...no doubt within the first 2 rounds IMO.

I truly believed this even before his season ending injury. I am a Ronnie Brown fan....but even this season I would scream at how he was being used. He primary strength is as a pass catching RB. You get Ronnie into the open field and he can cut loose. They never did this with him under Sparano. Before his knee injury you saw what Ronnie Brown could do if he was used as an all around 3 down back. I will never understand why they did not get him involved in the passing game this season.

As for Ricky he has looked great and will continue to shine this year....and next year as this team's starting RB.

 

[az_prof]

Westbrook had a lisfranc injury against Seattle in 2005 (week 13?). Came back fine in 2006.

Partly it depends on the severity of the Lis Franc. Back when KJ had one we talked about it then and Westbrooks was less severe. I haven't heard an exact diagnose of the severity (different degrees) but the positive message from the team that it won't affect his career and is not career threatening is positive.

 

[Casting Couch]

I like Ronnie a ton, but between the knee and a possible Lisfranc, I'm concerned he'll be a 20 carry (per game) NFL RB again. Significant leg injuries could slow him down. He is reasonably young still, so that is a plus for him and his recovery, but I still have some doubts he'll be the same player again or that MIA or any NFL team will lean on him so heavily going forward (less work per game may keep him healthier).

Out of 80 possible games he was supposed to play he's missed 20 of them. A 1/4 of a season every year for 5 years.

wow, I didn't realize he was so injury prone.

 

[Casting Couch]

I will go on record and state this.The Dolphins drafted Pat White in the 2nd round of this years draft. They did not go after a proven stud WR which this team sorely lacks. They have a young rising stud in Chad Henne (yes stud). They extended Ricky Williams for next year.

I didn't think they would spend another high pick on a WR after taking Ginn Jr. with the 10th pick the previous year.

 

[Todem]

I will go on record and state this.The Dolphins drafted Pat White in the 2nd round of this years draft. They did not go after a proven stud WR which this team sorely lacks. They have a young rising stud in Chad Henne (yes stud). They extended Ricky Williams for next year.

I didn't think they would spend another high pick on a WR after taking Ginn Jr. with the 10th pick the previous year.

That was the previous regime.....no bearing IMO.

 

[Snotbubbles]

I like Ronnie a ton, but between the knee and a possible Lisfranc, I'm concerned he'll be a 20 carry (per game) NFL RB again. Significant leg injuries could slow him down. He is reasonably young still, so that is a plus for him and his recovery, but I still have some doubts he'll be the same player again or that MIA or any NFL team will lean on him so heavily going forward (less work per game may keep him healthier).

I'll use Brian Westbrook as another comparison here. He tore BOTH of his ACL's in college and missed an entire year. According to the doctors, when you have ACL surgery, the ACL is supposed to be stronger then before you tore it. Then he had a lisfranc in 2005. His best years were 2006-2008.

 

[Banger]

I like Ronnie a ton, but between the knee and a possible Lisfranc, I'm concerned he'll be a 20 carry (per game) NFL RB again. Significant leg injuries could slow him down. He is reasonably young still, so that is a plus for him and his recovery, but I still have some doubts he'll be the same player again or that MIA or any NFL team will lean on him so heavily going forward (less work per game may keep him healthier).

Was he ever a 20 carry a game back? He had 20 or more carries in 15 of 61 games (25%) and missed (or will miss) another 20 due to injury. Only 3 of those games has he carried it 25 times or more. He's never been a workhorse back.

 

[bcr8f]

I like Ronnie a ton, but between the knee and a possible Lisfranc, I'm concerned he'll be a 20 carry (per game) NFL RB again. Significant leg injuries could slow him down. He is reasonably young still, so that is a plus for him and his recovery, but I still have some doubts he'll be the same player again or that MIA or any NFL team will lean on him so heavily going forward (less work per game may keep him healthier).

Was he ever a 20 carry a game back? He had 20 or more carries in 15 of 61 games (25%) and missed (or will miss) another 20 due to injury. Only 3 of those games has he carried it 25 times or more. He's never been a workhorse back.

Cadillac and now Ricky he seems to need a complimentary back to stay healthy.

 

[mlball77]

I like Ronnie a ton, but between the knee and a possible Lisfranc, I'm concerned he'll be a 20 carry (per game) NFL RB again. Significant leg injuries could slow him down. He is reasonably young still, so that is a plus for him and his recovery, but I still have some doubts he'll be the same player again or that MIA or any NFL team will lean on him so heavily going forward (less work per game may keep him healthier).

Was he ever a 20 carry a game back? He had 20 or more carries in 15 of 61 games (25%) and missed (or will miss) another 20 due to injury. Only 3 of those games has he carried it 25 times or more. He's never been a workhorse back.

Nice numbers... but yeah, he isn't a grinder type back like maybe Benson has been this year etc. But his (once larger) role receiving along with running has still been pretty significant it seems to me (when he's healthy). I think to some extent last year he was eased back into things (coming back from the knee inj) and I think he played a somewhat smaller role his rookie year if memory serves me (both of which maybe impacting his % of games with 20+ carries). -I guess for me, the point is that his injs have already cut into his role a bit and I think this latest one could cut further into it (possibly). Too early to tell, but I'm concerned, but do hope he comes back as good as ever. However, even if comes back in 2010 and doesn't miss a beat physically, I have doubts that MIA or any team will look at him as the larger share in a RBBC (or primary back) and feel confident about it. I just see a smaller role in his future, even if he comes back fully healthy.

 

[=Smackdown=]

I will go on record and state this.The Dolphins drafted Pat White in the 2nd round of this years draft. They did not go after a proven stud WR which this team sorely lacks. They have a young rising stud in Chad Henne (yes stud). They extended Ricky Williams for next year.Ronnie Brown will not be back with the Miami Dolphins next season. They will trade for Anquan Boldin or another big time WR like Dwayne Bowe. Pat White will bulk up this off-season. He has too. He will get killed if he does not add muscle mass to his tiny frame. They drafted him to be the heir apparent to the Wildcat. They will also draft another young RB early in the draft next year...no doubt within the first 2 rounds IMO.I truly believed this even before his season ending injury. I am a Ronnie Brown fan....but even this season I would scream at how he was being used. He primary strength is as a pass catching RB. You get Ronnie into the open field and he can cut loose. They never did this with him under Sparano. Before his knee injury you saw what Ronnie Brown could do if he was used as an all around 3 down back. I will never understand why they did not get him involved in the passing game this season.As for Ricky he has looked great and will continue to shine this year....and next year as this team's starting RB.

Have to disagree with you on all 3 players . . .Pat White is 6'0' - 190 lbs. How much is he going to bulk up on that little frame? He looks like a twig out there. Gotta to give him credit though - the little guy runs with a lot of guts - wish Ginn did the same. I hated this pick in the 2nd round and I still don't like it. They should have went WR.Henne - Way too early to call him a stud. I like what I see so far but he has only started a few games. How can you call him a stud? For the rest of the year I hope they go with a more traditional offense and let him grow/learn/take his lumps. I will agree he is the QB of the future for this team.Ronnie Brown - so underrated. He IS the Wildcat. That will become painfully obvious tonight should they try to run the Wildcat without him. Yes he's gotten hurt too often but I hope to they sign him to a contract extention. When healthy he's a Top 5 RB in the league. Agree with you in that they should definitely use him more in the passing game.Ricky is a freak of nature and I'm glad he's a Dolphin for next year.Draft/Sign/Trade for a big time WR for next year.

 

[Todem]

I will go on record and state this.The Dolphins drafted Pat White in the 2nd round of this years draft. They did not go after a proven stud WR which this team sorely lacks. They have a young rising stud in Chad Henne (yes stud). They extended Ricky Williams for next year.Ronnie Brown will not be back with the Miami Dolphins next season. They will trade for Anquan Boldin or another big time WR like Dwayne Bowe. Pat White will bulk up this off-season. He has too. He will get killed if he does not add muscle mass to his tiny frame. They drafted him to be the heir apparent to the Wildcat. They will also draft another young RB early in the draft next year...no doubt within the first 2 rounds IMO.I truly believed this even before his season ending injury. I am a Ronnie Brown fan....but even this season I would scream at how he was being used. He primary strength is as a pass catching RB. You get Ronnie into the open field and he can cut loose. They never did this with him under Sparano. Before his knee injury you saw what Ronnie Brown could do if he was used as an all around 3 down back. I will never understand why they did not get him involved in the passing game this season.As for Ricky he has looked great and will continue to shine this year....and next year as this team's starting RB.

Have to disagree with you on all 3 players . . .Pat White is 6'0' - 190 lbs. How much is he going to bulk up on that little frame? He looks like a twig out there. Gotta to give him credit though - the little guy runs with a lot of guts - wish Ginn did the same. I hated this pick in the 2nd round and I still don't like it. They should have went WR.Henne - Way too early to call him a stud. I like what I see so far but he has only started a few games. How can you call him a stud? For the rest of the year I hope they go with a more traditional offense and let him grow/learn/take his lumps. I will agree he is the QB of the future for this team.Ronnie Brown - so underrated. He IS the Wildcat. That will become painfully obvious tonight should they try to run the Wildcat without him. Yes he's gotten hurt too often but I hope to they sign him to a contract extention. When healthy he's a Top 5 RB in the league. Agree with you in that they should definitely use him more in the passing game.Ricky is a freak of nature and I'm glad he's a Dolphin for next year.Draft/Sign/Trade for a big time WR for next year.

The reason I call Henne a stud is the guy makes every throw...and all he needs is a big time target...and you will see we finally....finally have a QB to be proud of since Marino. Chad gave us a heck of a season last year....but we have not seen an arm as good as Henne since the magic of Marino.I agree about Pat White...but he still has to add weight to make it...or else this is a wasted pick and I am on board with "why did we make this pick".They will not extend Ronnie for the $$$ he wants and add a big time and expensive WR. We need a veteran WR...we are close as a team...we are missing that big play consistent WR.

 

[=Smackdown=]

I will go on record and state this.The Dolphins drafted Pat White in the 2nd round of this years draft. They did not go after a proven stud WR which this team sorely lacks. They have a young rising stud in Chad Henne (yes stud). They extended Ricky Williams for next year.Ronnie Brown will not be back with the Miami Dolphins next season. They will trade for Anquan Boldin or another big time WR like Dwayne Bowe. Pat White will bulk up this off-season. He has too. He will get killed if he does not add muscle mass to his tiny frame. They drafted him to be the heir apparent to the Wildcat. They will also draft another young RB early in the draft next year...no doubt within the first 2 rounds IMO.I truly believed this even before his season ending injury. I am a Ronnie Brown fan....but even this season I would scream at how he was being used. He primary strength is as a pass catching RB. You get Ronnie into the open field and he can cut loose. They never did this with him under Sparano. Before his knee injury you saw what Ronnie Brown could do if he was used as an all around 3 down back. I will never understand why they did not get him involved in the passing game this season.As for Ricky he has looked great and will continue to shine this year....and next year as this team's starting RB.

Have to disagree with you on all 3 players . . .Pat White is 6'0' - 190 lbs. How much is he going to bulk up on that little frame? He looks like a twig out there. Gotta to give him credit though - the little guy runs with a lot of guts - wish Ginn did the same. I hated this pick in the 2nd round and I still don't like it. They should have went WR.Henne - Way too early to call him a stud. I like what I see so far but he has only started a few games. How can you call him a stud? For the rest of the year I hope they go with a more traditional offense and let him grow/learn/take his lumps. I will agree he is the QB of the future for this team.Ronnie Brown - so underrated. He IS the Wildcat. That will become painfully obvious tonight should they try to run the Wildcat without him. Yes he's gotten hurt too often but I hope to they sign him to a contract extention. When healthy he's a Top 5 RB in the league. Agree with you in that they should definitely use him more in the passing game.Ricky is a freak of nature and I'm glad he's a Dolphin for next year.Draft/Sign/Trade for a big time WR for next year.

The reason I call Henne a stud is the guy makes every throw...and all he needs is a big time target...and you will see we finally....finally have a QB to be proud of since Marino. Chad gave us a heck of a season last year....but we have not seen an arm as good as Henne since the magic of Marino.I agree about Pat White...but he still has to add weight to make it...or else this is a wasted pick and I am on board with "why did we make this pick".They will not extend Ronnie for the $$$ he wants and add a big time and expensive WR. We need a veteran WR...we are close as a team...we are missing that big play consistent WR.

Agree that they are close - definitely need a go to stud WR.Maybe Ronnie is discounted because all of the injuries? And why can't they afford to pay both Ronnie and a true #1 WR? From what I've heard they are well below the cap.

 

[Banger]

I like Ronnie a ton, but between the knee and a possible Lisfranc, I'm concerned he'll be a 20 carry (per game) NFL RB again. Significant leg injuries could slow him down. He is reasonably young still, so that is a plus for him and his recovery, but I still have some doubts he'll be the same player again or that MIA or any NFL team will lean on him so heavily going forward (less work per game may keep him healthier).

Was he ever a 20 carry a game back? He had 20 or more carries in 15 of 61 games (25%) and missed (or will miss) another 20 due to injury. Only 3 of those games has he carried it 25 times or more. He's never been a workhorse back.

Nice numbers... but yeah, he isn't a grinder type back like maybe Benson has been this year etc. But his (once larger) role receiving along with running has still been pretty significant it seems to me (when he's healthy). I think to some extent last year he was eased back into things (coming back from the knee inj) and I think he played a somewhat smaller role his rookie year if memory serves me (both of which maybe impacting his % of games with 20+ carries). -I guess for me, the point is that his injs have already cut into his role a bit and I think this latest one could cut further into it (possibly). Too early to tell, but I'm concerned, but do hope he comes back as good as ever. However, even if comes back in 2010 and doesn't miss a beat physically, I have doubts that MIA or any team will look at him as the larger share in a RBBC (or primary back) and feel confident about it. I just see a smaller role in his future, even if he comes back fully healthy.

agreed.