Horses Mouth
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per Cam's press conference.
depressing.
depressing.
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Ronnie Brown confirmed FULL ACL Tear (1 Viewer)
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Horses Mouth
Footballguy
Lorenzo Book confirmed moved up.
Horses Mouth
Footballguy
"in the middle of exploring some things" regarding the safety position.
Horses Mouth
Footballguy
Cam says Ronnie was having "a pro bowl season....he's an impressive, impressive young man".
"Full" tear being the important thing on this one. Lots of guys look past just this season.JWe already have how many threads on this? Granted, once you heard "out for the year" I can see a thread for that, but I dont see the need for a reply to that thread as its own thread.
Horses Mouth
Footballguy
thanks for your input.We already have how many threads on this? Granted, once you heard "out for the year" I can see a thread for that, but I dont see the need for a reply to that thread as its own thread.
wraith5
Footballguy
"Full" tear being the important thing on this one. Lots of guys look past just this season.JWe already have how many threads on this? Granted, once you heard "out for the year" I can see a thread for that, but I dont see the need for a reply to that thread as its own thread.
This is a big deal beyond this season.
Horses Mouth
Footballguy
yes JB, that was the point. I read your forum rules and felt this was new info and needed its own thread as FULL is a lot different for us dynasty owners."Full" tear being the important thing on this one. Lots of guys look past just this season.JWe already have how many threads on this? Granted, once you heard "out for the year" I can see a thread for that, but I dont see the need for a reply to that thread as its own thread.
Horses Mouth
Footballguy
"if we had to play today Jesse (Chatman) would fill in for Ronnie".
wickster33
Footballguy
Do we have a list of other running backs who had the full ACL tear? Gore, Edge, and McGahee? Anyone else?
Ted Lange as your Bartender
Footballguy
What does this mean long-tem? They say a RB generally doesn't recover 100% until at least two years removed from surgery. Is that for the full ACL tear? Or is this worse than the average ACL injury that puts people out for the year? For example, did Deuce and Edge also have full tears?"Full" tear being the important thing on this one. Lots of guys look past just this season.JWe already have how many threads on this? Granted, once you heard "out for the year" I can see a thread for that, but I dont see the need for a reply to that thread as its own thread.
Barry
Footballguy
no it didn'tyes JB, that was the point. I read your forum rules and felt this was new info and needed its own thread as FULL is a lot different for us dynasty owners."Full" tear being the important thing on this one. Lots of guys look past just this season.JWe already have how many threads on this? Granted, once you heard "out for the year" I can see a thread for that, but I dont see the need for a reply to that thread as its own thread.
Cam said Ronnie's spirits are up, he is suprised by news, but fully expects to be back in Spring. The only damage was an ACL tear, and Cam expects him to be back in Spring.What does this mean long-tem? They say a RB generally doesn't recover 100% until at least two years removed from surgery. Is that for the full ACL tear? Or is this worse than the average ACL injury that puts people out for the year? For example, did Deuce and Edge also have full tears?"Full" tear being the important thing on this one. Lots of guys look past just this season.JWe already have how many threads on this? Granted, once you heard "out for the year" I can see a thread for that, but I dont see the need for a reply to that thread as its own thread.
Carter_Can_Fly
Footballguy
Let me just say that this is definitely terrible, terrible news. This guy was starting to come into a zone as one of the better backs in the leauge. I hope he has a full recover and that he is able to play at an elite level again.
On a side note: How bad is Miami going to be to finish off this season.... they lose their starting QB, their starting RB, their starting WR. Being a Dolphins fan is not a happy time right now. Count down should be on to see what they have in Beck.
On a side note: How bad is Miami going to be to finish off this season.... they lose their starting QB, their starting RB, their starting WR. Being a Dolphins fan is not a happy time right now. Count down should be on to see what they have in Beck.
zamboni
Footballguy
Sounds like he's being overly optimistic there considering it's already towards the end of October.Cam said Ronnie's spirits are up, he is suprised by news, but fully expects to be back in Spring. The only damage was an ACL tear, and Cam expects him to be back in Spring.What does this mean long-tem? They say a RB generally doesn't recover 100% until at least two years removed from surgery. Is that for the full ACL tear? Or is this worse than the average ACL injury that puts people out for the year? For example, did Deuce and Edge also have full tears?"Full" tear being the important thing on this one. Lots of guys look past just this season.JWe already have how many threads on this? Granted, once you heard "out for the year" I can see a thread for that, but I dont see the need for a reply to that thread as its own thread.
mad sweeney
Footballguy
no it didn'tyes JB, that was the point. I read your forum rules and felt this was new info and needed its own thread as FULL is a lot different for us dynasty owners."Full" tear being the important thing on this one. Lots of guys look past just this season.JWe already have how many threads on this? Granted, once you heard "out for the year" I can see a thread for that, but I dont see the need for a reply to that thread as its own thread.
Either of the two Brown/ACL threads are ripe for updating and keeping it all in one place.
zamboni
Footballguy
Seems like two years used to be the rule, but guys (e.g. Deuce) have seemingly come back strong after one year. Maybe it's better medical technology or conditioning. Of course, I'm not sure as to the relative severity of the injuries, so it's just conjecture on my part.What does this mean long-tem? They say a RB generally doesn't recover 100% until at least two years removed from surgery. Is that for the full ACL tear? Or is this worse than the average ACL injury that puts people out for the year? For example, did Deuce and Edge also have full tears?"Full" tear being the important thing on this one. Lots of guys look past just this season.JWe already have how many threads on this? Granted, once you heard "out for the year" I can see a thread for that, but I dont see the need for a reply to that thread as its own thread.
beavers
Footballguy
A full ACL tear is when the ligament is completely torn. Athletes can play without ACL's (see Brian Westbrook and Heinz Ward). McGahee and Culpepper blew out every ligament in their knee (I believe it was MCL, PCL and ACL). Brown tore just his ACL which is a surgery he can easily recover from. This is coming from experience (ACL and Mensicus transplant recipient here).
On the other hand, a partial tear is a sprain. This usually requires rest depending on severity. Since RB is out for the year, it's no surprise that it is a full tear. Therefore, IMO, this did not need a new thread.
Why not change the title of this thread? http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...howtopic=358053
ETA: there are two common types of ACL surgeries; cadaver and tendon. Using a cadaver ACL is a shorter recovery time than using a tendon, which is pulled from another part of your body. In any event, I see no reason why he wouldn't be back next season.
On the other hand, a partial tear is a sprain. This usually requires rest depending on severity. Since RB is out for the year, it's no surprise that it is a full tear. Therefore, IMO, this did not need a new thread.
Why not change the title of this thread? http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...howtopic=358053
ETA: there are two common types of ACL surgeries; cadaver and tendon. Using a cadaver ACL is a shorter recovery time than using a tendon, which is pulled from another part of your body. In any event, I see no reason why he wouldn't be back next season.
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zamboni
Footballguy
Nice, beavers.
MCguidance
Footballguy
Believe it or not, when I tore my ACL, the Ortho told me the full tear was better news than the partial tear, it would be an easier recovery process. For whatever that's worth."Full" tear being the important thing on this one. Lots of guys look past just this season.JWe already have how many threads on this? Granted, once you heard "out for the year" I can see a thread for that, but I dont see the need for a reply to that thread as its own thread.
Horses Mouth
Footballguy
because i wasn't the original poster and don't have the edit permissions to change someone else's posts. by the way people, I followed Joe's guidelines and even he chimed in early and said it was fine, so give it a rest. TIA.
beavers
Footballguy
Or maybe it's just your misunderstanding of injuries? TIA.
Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Michael Turner, come on down!
Koya
Footballguy
Fair enough, but I believe it makes it more difficult to find information when everyone is "i-gathered" discussing an issue and then when a little clarification (i.e. full tear vs. whatever is not a full tear but bad enough to end the season right now) you have the rush for the lemme break the news recognition. But, these aren't my boards, I just try not to get banned on them."Full" tear being the important thing on this one. Lots of guys look past just this season.JWe already have how many threads on this? Granted, once you heard "out for the year" I can see a thread for that, but I dont see the need for a reply to that thread as its own thread.
Now back to your regularly scheduled programming...
Jayrod
Footballguy
I'm sorry to hear this. He was really starting to have the season many thought he was capable of. I don't own him in any leagues (traded him in one for LJ about 4 weeks ago), but it just sucks when a talented player like this goes down. It takes a little away from the NFL and fantasy football as a whole.
Horses Mouth
Footballguy
I agree completely Jayrod. Every time I see RB on TV he's just a classy, easy going guy. He definitely doesn't deserve to have this happen.
Neo
The Dude minds
Especially making a tackle on an ill advised interception in a freakin blowout.
beavers
Footballguy
When is the trade deadline?IMO, this won't happen. SD wants too much for Turner, I believe it's a first round pick. The Dolphins are going to get a top 5 pick next year and have other needs. Plus, what would Turner do? Free the Dolphins from a 0 - 16 season?
The Man Who Met Andy Griffith
Footballguy
I own RB in zero leagues and Booker in a few dynasties, but this is just a shame. And eerie that it came on the heels of Caddy's injury. Can BJ be far behind?
Koya
Footballguy
Last week. (really).
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
As a Miami Dolphins fan I am so completely bummed and depressed to hear this. I knew the season was over and that we had a long road ahead of us but now a position where we thought we had things turned around and could possiby build around...just sickening.
Also, this happened on an interception return...I really hate Cleo Lemon this morning...guy was getting pumped up when Trent Green was hurt, that fact got brushed under a lot of rugs as people said players deal with things in different ways...but I wonder how he feels today that Brown gets hurt on a play that was a result of his mistake...it wasn't like Brown was trying to gain extra yardage.
I really just want to ...in fact I think I am going to hit that button a few more times...
Maybe we can go 0-16.
Also, this happened on an interception return...I really hate Cleo Lemon this morning...guy was getting pumped up when Trent Green was hurt, that fact got brushed under a lot of rugs as people said players deal with things in different ways...but I wonder how he feels today that Brown gets hurt on a play that was a result of his mistake...it wasn't like Brown was trying to gain extra yardage.
I really just want to
...in fact I think I am going to hit that button a few more times... Maybe we can go 0-16.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
I meant as a free agent acquisition in the off-season.
CrazyHorse1581
Footballguy
Ricky Williams????
Kevin Ashcraft
Footballguy
Wow...that 2005 Draft at RB is looking horrible....I figured it would be the year of teh RB.....
1 San Francisco 49ers Alex Smith Quarterback Utah2 Miami Dolphins Ronnie Brown Running back Auburn3 Cleveland Browns Braylon Edwards Wide receiver Michigan4 Chicago Bears Cedric Benson Running back Texas5 Tampa Bay Buccaneers Carnell Williams Running back Auburn6 Tennessee Titans Adam "Pacman" Jones Cornerback West Virginia7 Minnesota Vikings (from Oakland) Troy Williamson Wide receiver South Carolina8 Arizona Cardinals Antrel Rolle Cornerback Miami (FL)9 Washington Redskins Carlos Rogers Cornerback Auburn10 Detroit Lions Mike Williams Wide receiver Southern California (USC)
Kinda eerie how close together Cadillac and Brown both went down with very serious injuries.
1 San Francisco 49ers Alex Smith Quarterback Utah2 Miami Dolphins Ronnie Brown Running back Auburn3 Cleveland Browns Braylon Edwards Wide receiver Michigan4 Chicago Bears Cedric Benson Running back Texas5 Tampa Bay Buccaneers Carnell Williams Running back Auburn6 Tennessee Titans Adam "Pacman" Jones Cornerback West Virginia7 Minnesota Vikings (from Oakland) Troy Williamson Wide receiver South Carolina8 Arizona Cardinals Antrel Rolle Cornerback Miami (FL)9 Washington Redskins Carlos Rogers Cornerback Auburn10 Detroit Lions Mike Williams Wide receiver Southern California (USC)
Kinda eerie how close together Cadillac and Brown both went down with very serious injuries.
Slinger
Footballguy
Welcome to FBG's. You'll love it here. Seeing that you're new, you get a free pass on this one, but you're supposed to ask that sort of question in the Assistant Coach Forum (ACF). Again, welcome to FBG's.
Ron_Mexico
I Love Doggies
Cam is obviously drunk.Does he realize that it's almost November ?
Keys Myaths
Pokerguy
This isn't nearly as good as my welcomes. If you're going to steal my thunder, do it right.Welcome to FBG's. You'll love it here. Seeing that you're new, you get a free pass on this one, but you're supposed to ask that sort of question in the Assistant Coach Forum (ACF). Again, welcome to FBG's.
He'll likely be back in the spring, but obviously not at full strength. I don't doubt that he's back on the field in the spring rehabbing, and in all likelihood back playing next fall. That is, assuming the Dolphins aren't hiding anything relating to the injury (i.e. something in addition to the ACL tear).
vichawkfan
Footballguy
Michael Turner.....
They aren't trading for MIchael Turner, are you kiddin! RB will rehab, he will have to work hard, but ACL tears happen every year and people come back from them all the time. He will be back in September and be starting for the Dolphins
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Denial is not just reserved for head coaches, I guess.
The Man Who Met Andy Griffith
Footballguy
Rightly or wrongly, teams do not go after high-priced FA RB's when their young studs tear their ACL's. Kevin Jones had a more serious injury last year and the Lions didn't go after anybody of note, and the Dolphins won't either. Even with the ACL tear, running back is not close to their biggest long-term need. I suspect that Brown will never be the same again (has any RB recovered 100% from an ACL tear?), but he will still be good.(Note: I'm not necessarily endorsing the claim that Brown will play in September).
Horses Mouth
Footballguy
MIA wouldn't be trading. Turner is an UFA next year and Cam is obviously VERY familiar with him from his San Diego days. Do I think it'll happen? It's a long shot, but you never know.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
What's your sample size? By that I mean, how often has it happened where a FA of Turner's ability was available and a team with it's stud RB down due to ACL injury didn't sign the free agent?And I'm not sure a lis franc is more serious than an ACL tear.
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