Ronnie Brown - dynasty value going forward ? (1 Viewer)

[Casting Couch]

Now that we know Ronnie Brown has suffered the dreaded LisFranc injury, where do you value him in a dynasty format ?

Which RBs have comparable value to RB going forward ?

 

[certificate]

I don't think that the Lisfranc is much of a long-term concern, but I think his contract is up. Where he ends up will play a big role in his value.

 

[thriftyrocker]

Westbrook had a mild lis franc in 2005 and was able to return 100% the next year. I think Ronnie Brown is fine long term. I know some people had trouble returning from it, but hopefully this one is mild.

2 injuries in 3 years hurts his NFL marketability. Probably increases his chances of staying in Miami, which is probably a good thing for fantasy.

His increasing age hurt his value before the injury, now he's basically untradeable. You are not going to get value in return. Comparable value is - Barber, Jacobs, Grant. Jacobs is definitely worth more now. But Grant is not (less talent). And Barber is not (not being used). If you want to trade for a younger back about the best you're going to do is M. Bush, Bradshaw, Maroney, Choice.

 

[JohnnyU]

I don't think that the Lisfranc is much of a long-term concern, but I think his contract is up. Where he ends up will play a big role in his value.

You do realize that some lisfranc injuries are career threatening? However, I don't think Brown's is.

 

[bcr8f]

I don't think that the Lisfranc is much of a long-term concern, but I think his contract is up. Where he ends up will play a big role in his value.

You do realize that some lisfranc injuries are career threatening? However, I don't think Brown's is.

Very true but he has trouble staying healthy.

 

[certificate]

I don't think that the Lisfranc is much of a long-term concern, but I think his contract is up. Where he ends up will play a big role in his value.

You do realize that some lisfranc injuries are career threatening? However, I don't think Brown's is.

I've heard that, however, I'm not familiar with any recent examples of this. Westbrook, Dawkins, Ty Law, Schobel, Freeney, Rivers all came back from LisFranc injuries more or less the same the next year.Has anyone's career actually been ended by one of these?

 

[todisco1]

He was involved in a trade today in one of my dynasty leagues: Ronnie Brown and a '10 2nd rounder for Pierre Thomas.

Seemed pretty fair to me (I wasn't involved).

 

[cstu]

I don't think that the Lisfranc is much of a long-term concern, but I think his contract is up. Where he ends up will play a big role in his value.

You do realize that some lisfranc injuries are career threatening? However, I don't think Brown's is.

I've heard that, however, I'm not familiar with any recent examples of this. Westbrook, Dawkins, Ty Law, Schobel, Freeney, Rivers all came back from LisFranc injuries more or less the same the next year.Has anyone's career actually been ended by one of these?

Kevin Jones.

 

[certificate]

I don't think that the Lisfranc is much of a long-term concern, but I think his contract is up. Where he ends up will play a big role in his value.

You do realize that some lisfranc injuries are career threatening? However, I don't think Brown's is.

I've heard that, however, I'm not familiar with any recent examples of this. Westbrook, Dawkins, Ty Law, Schobel, Freeney, Rivers all came back from LisFranc injuries more or less the same the next year.Has anyone's career actually been ended by one of these?

Kevin Jones.

I'm not sure what you're basing that on. He was back after the lisfranc and tore his ACL, now he has torn ankle ligaments.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

I don't think that the Lisfranc is much of a long-term concern, but I think his contract is up. Where he ends up will play a big role in his value.

You do realize that some lisfranc injuries are career threatening? However, I don't think Brown's is.

I've heard that, however, I'm not familiar with any recent examples of this. Westbrook, Dawkins, Ty Law, Schobel, Freeney, Rivers all came back from LisFranc injuries more or less the same the next year.Has anyone's career actually been ended by one of these?

Sounds like they're only career threatening when misdiagnosed, which isn't the case with Brown.Media Center: Press Releases

July 30, 2004

Career Ending Foot Injury of the Rise Among Elite Athletes

Seattle, WA – July 30, 2004: Orthopaedic surgeons are finding an increase in the number of serious foot injuries among elite athletes according to a study presented at the American Orthopaedic Foot and Ankle Society’s (AOFAS) annual summer meeting today. These include Lisfranc (midfoot) injuries, potentially career ending injuries often misdiagnosed as sprains. The study found that aggressive surgical repair is often necessary in such injuries to allow a return to the sport.

“Injuries of the foot are increasing among elite athletes while all other injuries are decreasing,” said Robert Anderson, M.D., Charlotte, NC, senior author of the study and team physician to the North Carolina Panthers. “Lisfranc injuries in particular are a concern because they are often misdiagnosed as sprains. Physicians need to be aware that any midfoot injury is potentially serious and aggressive treatment may be needed.” Dr. Anderson attributes the increase in foot injuries to three factors: 1) Elite athletes are physically stronger, bigger, and faster, increasing the forces that athletes’ feet are exposed to; 2) Elite athletes are wearing light weight shoes so they can run faster; and 3) changes in playing surfaces.The Lisfranc injury is the rupture of a key ligament connecting the midfoot to the forefoot. The injury is often misdiagnosed as a simple foot sprain because X-ray abnormalities can be very subtle.

To understand the correlation between lisfranc injuries and elite athletes, Dr. Anderson, and his fellow Matthew Dean Hammit, MD, studied two collegiate and seven professional football players injured from October 2000 to August 2003. All were diagnosed with a variant of the Lisfranc injury. Seven of the nine patients underwent surgery, and all nine patients returned to full athletic activity.

The study found that elite athletes are especially at risk for Lisfranc injuries. Football players typically sustain this injury when their feet are planted and they get tackled from behind. The tacking motion puts great force on the mid-foot, causing a rupture of the ligament.

New types of more forgiving playing surfaces are being developed that may reduce foot injuries. The newest product, called Turf, combines a plastic-like grass with tiny balls of rubber that act as padding, and appear like mud when seen on television. This surface is less abrasive, but athletes wear longer cleats for traction, and injuries still occur.

“A midfoot injury in a football player should be scrutinized because what may seem like a sprain initially could actually be a Lisfranc injury, which is potentially serious,” said Dr. Hammit. “Often, Lisfranc injuries will be recognized as sprains, and go untreated leaving the foot unstable.”

When elite athletes are improperly diagnosed they can suffer career ending injuries. Lisfranc injuries result in the inability to run and push off with their foot. “This injury to mid-portion of foot can have drastic consequences on an athlete’s ability to perform at a high level and can be debilitating,” said Dr. Hammit.

To ensure a proper diagnosis, Dr. Hammit recommends that patients see an orthopaedic surgeon and have a standing X-Ray taken. Standing X-rays put pressure on the foot, and allow an experienced doctor to see the subtlety of the injury. For proper recovery, Dr. Hammit stresses that the only real option is surgical treatment, rather than treatment with a cast.

Dr. Hammit noted that injury cannot be avoided completely, but “when properly diagnosed, the opportunity to achieve a full recovery can be reached.”

The AOFAS is the leading professional organization for orthopaedic surgeons specializing in disorders of the foot and ankle. Orthopaedic surgeons are medical doctors with extensive training in the diagnosis and treatment of the musculoskeletal system that includes bones, joints, ligaments, tendons, muscles, and nerves.

 

[mlball77]

Let me first say, I am a big Ronnie fan and own him in the two leagues I'm in this year (one being dynasty). I thought he had top 7 potential at RB this year.

A point I made in another Ronnie thread is that I am concerned about his long term production for two reasons:

1) While he is young and it is great that his inj seems to be properly diagnosed right out of the gate, which are both pluses in his road to recovery, I think it is at least possible that the major leg injuries could be adding up to the point where he won't be quite the same physically. I could be wrong, but this is just a concern/worry I have with him going forward. (this may be the smaller concern)

2) Assuming Ronnie does return 100% physically, I find it hard to believe that MIA or any team will look at him as the primary RB for their team or even the lead back in a RBBC and feel confident about it. My thought is that even if he does comeback and look really sharp, his NFL team will probably use him in a reduced role to try to keep him healthy and because with his injury history they know he is risky to rely on all season as 'the guy'. He might carve out a significant, yet smaller role.

This is where my head is at currently with the Ronnie situation. Of course the third possibility is that he returns 100% and his role with MIA or another team is on par with what it has been the last couple of years... I just see this possibility as being the least likely.

 

[Bucco Bruce]

I just traded him straight up for Addai in a ppr dynasty league.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

Im not sure about dynasty (but I'd bump him 25% more than any other similarly aged/injured back based on his ability to recover quickly AND Productively from his other injuries.) but in a keeper he's done. He'll likely miss half next year, and no matter where he was drafted, that doesn't justify a keeper, unless your other keepers SUCK.

 

[Desert_Power]

Ronnie's value is going to take a huge hit because of this. I own him in a keeper and there is no way to keep him next year with his injury history and concerns. He may never be able to be the primary running back of a team, something much feared since he was drafted to Miami. Luckily he will be able to continue with Ricky Williams in the Miami backfield when he comes back next year and add value to the Phins with the Wildcat. But his days as an RB1 are probably done. Bad for his fantasy prospects as he will probably be limited in a RBBC in Miami, but not a severe blow to Miami next year.

 

[zamboni]

Im not sure about dynasty (but I'd bump him 25% more than any other similarly aged/injured back based on his ability to recover quickly AND Productively from his other injuries.) but in a keeper he's done. He'll likely miss half next year, and no matter where he was drafted, that doesn't justify a keeper, unless your other keepers SUCK.

How do you figure?

 

[FallenHero32]

After looking into it all and reading up on it, I gave up on Ronnie and traded him away in my league for a 2nd round next year + additional contingencies depending on how well he does for the other team. He just doesn't produce on a consistent basis enough to hold onto him through this injury and my team needs some new talent at RB. Gonna try to trade away my lower round draft picks for higher ones next year as well. Goodbye Ronnie.

 

[Sammy Traveller]

I don't think that the Lisfranc is much of a long-term concern, but I think his contract is up. Where he ends up will play a big role in his value.

You do realize that some lisfranc injuries are career threatening? However, I don't think Brown's is.

I've heard that, however, I'm not familiar with any recent examples of this. Westbrook, Dawkins, Ty Law, Schobel, Freeney, Rivers all came back from LisFranc injuries more or less the same the next year.Has anyone's career actually been ended by one of these?

Kevin Jones.

I'm not sure what you're basing that on. He was back after the lisfranc and tore his ACL, now he has torn ankle ligaments.

Duce Staley. That was more gradual. He returned and just wasn't the same.

 

[fruity pebbles]

Hard to believe but in RB years he's getting old as well. Will be 29 during next season.

 

[travdogg]

He was involved in a trade today in one of my dynasty leagues: Ronnie Brown and a '10 2nd rounder for Pierre Thomas. Seemed pretty fair to me (I wasn't involved).

I'd rather have the Thomas side in that deal.

I just traded him straight up for Addai in a ppr dynasty league.

That one is close. It kinda depends on the 2 owners involved. If I were out of it, or had great RB depth I'd prefer Brown. If I were using Addai as a starter and was contending this year I'd prefer Addai.

 

[Fear & Loathing]

1) While he is young and it is great that his inj seems to be properly diagnosed right out of the gate, which are both pluses in his road to recovery, I think it is at least possible that the major leg injuries could be adding up to the point where he won't be quite the same physically. I could be wrong, but this is just a concern/worry I have with him going forward. (this may be the smaller concern)

That's just it. He's not young. Brown will be close to 29 years old at the start of the 2010 season.The past two years (LT2, Westbrook, Portis, LJ, FWP) have taught us that we can't count on aging RBs to stay healthy and productive. There are exceptions (Thomas Jones, Ricky Williams), but it's foolish to count on it happening.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

Im not sure about dynasty (but I'd bump him 25% more than any other similarly aged/injured back based on his ability to recover quickly AND Productively from his other injuries.) but in a keeper he's done. He'll likely miss half next year, and no matter where he was drafted, that doesn't justify a keeper, unless your other keepers SUCK.

How do you figure?

Everything on these injuries says they take a FULL year to really recover from.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

After looking into it all and reading up on it, I gave up on Ronnie and traded him away in my league for a 2nd round next year + additional contingencies depending on how well he does for the other team. He just doesn't produce on a consistent basis enough to hold onto him through this injury and my team needs some new talent at RB. Gonna try to trade away my lower round draft picks for higher ones next year as well. Goodbye Ronnie.

He's out for the year. Just curious, but what possible contingencies could come into play with a draft pick from NEXT year?

 

[FallenHero32]

After looking into it all and reading up on it, I gave up on Ronnie and traded him away in my league for a 2nd round next year + additional contingencies depending on how well he does for the other team. He just doesn't produce on a consistent basis enough to hold onto him through this injury and my team needs some new talent at RB. Gonna try to trade away my lower round draft picks for higher ones next year as well. Goodbye Ronnie.

He's out for the year. Just curious, but what possible contingencies could come into play with a draft pick from NEXT year?

If it helps you understand its a Dynasty League.The offer I got:If after are regular season next year if Brown is in top 10 in pts you will get my number 1 pick the following year if between 10-20 my number 2 and anything after that my 3rd. If next year I win the league I will give my number 1 and 2 the following year.

 

[mlball77]

1) While he is young and it is great that his inj seems to be properly diagnosed right out of the gate, which are both pluses in his road to recovery, I think it is at least possible that the major leg injuries could be adding up to the point where he won't be quite the same physically. I could be wrong, but this is just a concern/worry I have with him going forward. (this may be the smaller concern)

That's just it. He's not young. Brown will be close to 29 years old at the start of the 2010 season.The past two years (LT2, Westbrook, Portis, LJ, FWP) have taught us that we can't count on aging RBs to stay healthy and productive. There are exceptions (Thomas Jones, Ricky Williams), but it's foolish to count on it happening.

By RB standards, he isn't the youngest guy… but he isn't exactly old either. He is still a relatively young man, but I do agree that for a RB, by the time next year starts he'll be past his prime for sure (and his window will be small). All of that said, my whole post went on to say that I don't like his odds of returning to his recent production level (maybe we somewhat disagree on the why... but maybe not really). I don't want say (or imply) the age issue is insignificant in the overall discussion, but nowhere in my post did I "foolishly" claim Ronnie would bounce right back because he was young. I don’t see the fact he is 28 as being a detriment in his recovery as much as the accumulation of significant injuries in general (which is often age related). Again, my post basically laid out why I don't think it is likely he'll be as productive going forward. But point taken that I probably gave Ronnie too much credit for being "young."