Ronnie Brown - Legit and you know it. (1 Viewer)

[benm3218]

No Ronnie Brown posts on the first page? What is wrong with you people?

He runs strong, has all the cuts and speed he could need. He plays for an offense that is willing to feature him and feed him.

And he has NO COMPETITION at all.

I see him being top 5 this year easy and most likely top 3. I see top 3 or number 1 fantasy RB status for next year.

 

[One]

I agree 100%

...but I have no faith in him lasting all season

 

[Gatorman]

I agree 100%...but I have no faith in him lasting all season

The dolphins evidently outside of all their other personel changes made a change to tehir offseason strength and conditioning program. Something was mentioned in the herald about changing it so as to help the player avoid injury (Free weights vs. nautilus or something like that.) Don't quote me on the how, but there was a blurb in the papers about how BP teams do not get as many "wear down" injuries, and the Dolphins only major injury so far was the RG (rookie) who had a freak ankle tear or soemthing like that.FWIW.Gator

 

[FantasyTrader]

As a RB owner...I hate you.

The reason there aren't any RB threads is because the minute we start one - he ends up on the shelf.

Thanks...'preciate it.

 

[=Smackdown=]

He HAS competition - Ricky will get carries each and every game.

First - he needs to stay healthy.

LOVE the way he runs - he absolutely crushed Cromartie yesterday on an end around

 

[pantagrapher]

This would have been a notable prediction in August.

 

[benm3218]

He HAS competition - Ricky will get carries each and every game.First - he needs to stay healthy.LOVE the way he runs - he absolutely crushed Cromartie yesterday on an end around

Ricky is not competition he is simply the running back that spells Ronnie and keeps him healthy and plays the wildcat formation.This is not a case of Ronnie worrying about Ricky stealing carries. Ricky is old and slow.

 

[benm3218]

This would have been a notable prediction in August.

Hey, I am not a predictor, just a happy owner. There is very little talk over the quickest healing ACL in history and a new SUPER RB.

 

[=Smackdown=]

He HAS competition - Ricky will get carries each and every game.First - he needs to stay healthy.LOVE the way he runs - he absolutely crushed Cromartie yesterday on an end around

Ricky is not competition he is simply the running back that spells Ronnie and keeps him healthy and plays the wildcat formation.This is not a case of Ronnie worrying about Ricky stealing carries. Ricky is old and slow.

I'm a big a Ronnie Brown fan as there is but Ricky will do more than just spell him IMO.

 

[Horses Mouth]

man, it was great to see the fins yesterday live. my buddy and i noticed Brown on the sidelines during warmups throwing the football and then swinging his leg up like a punter does. I thought they might have him doing some drop kicks or something!

 

[Wrigley]

Love me some Ronnie Brown this year.......glad to have drafted him.

 

[Coach3K]

Corrected and agreed:

Love me some Ronnie Brown this year.......glad to have drafted him stolen him in Round 5.

 

[Wrigley]

Corrected and agreed:

Love me some Ronnie Brown this year.......glad to have drafted him stolen him in Round 5.

Got him in the 7th

 

[gethugefast1]

Corrected and agreed:

Love me some Ronnie Brown this year.......glad to have drafted him stolen him in Round 5.

Got him in the 7th

8th Round Steal for me.

 

[benm3218]

interesting that no one disagreed with him being top 3 and number 1 by season end.

I guess no Ronnie Brown threads due to people being sad they dont have him....

I mean we get 5 threads a week on Muhsin muhammed or Steve Breaston or Lance Moore and no threads on the biggest surprise this year... go figure.

 

[menobrown]

interesting that no one disagreed with him being top 3 and number 1 by season end.

I would not put him in my top 15 RB's going forward.

 

[LionsFan78]

 

[gregjcross]

interesting that no one disagreed with him being top 3 and number 1 by season end.

I would not put him in my top 15 RB's going forward.

There should be a great deal of skepticism as plenty of running backs are much safer than Brown. His injury history makes him iffy but he has low mileage and great skills. Sparano will continue to preserve him because he knows this -- and it will shave about 15% off what his his touches would be. Yet Ricky could save Ronnie from being injured so I'm sure most owners would welcome that.

 

[jurb26]

Traded for Brown this off-season as an attempt to "buy low" coming off the injury. I wasn't expecting anything close to this week and the NE game so early. Guy is a monster. I fell in love with his ability during the 1st 4 weeks of 2007. I really hope this guy can stay on the field. I think he is going to be one of the premier RBs in fantasy football throughout the next 5 years as Parcells will accumulate talent in Mia.

 

[Rooni]

RB saved my season!

 

[5Rings]

interesting that no one disagreed with him being top 3 and number 1 by season end. I guess no Ronnie Brown threads due to people being sad they dont have him....I mean we get 5 threads a week on Muhsin muhammed or Steve Breaston or Lance Moore and no threads on the biggest surprise this year... go figure.

Most folks are more interested in finding a bye week filler than patting themselves on the back.But congratulations. Way to go!

 

[urbanhack]

Ronnie Brown - Legit and you know it.

Thanks. I wasn't sure until you made this post.

 

[benm3218]

Ronnie Brown - Legit and you know it.

Thanks. I wasn't sure until you made this post.

thats why i'm here.

 

[menobrown]

interesting that no one disagreed with him being top 3 and number 1 by season end.

I would not put him in my top 15 RB's going forward.

There should be a great deal of skepticism as plenty of running backs are much safer than Brown. His injury history makes him iffy but he has low mileage and great skills. Sparano will continue to preserve him because he knows this -- and it will shave about 15% off what his his touches would be. Yet Ricky could save Ronnie from being injured so I'm sure most owners would welcome that.

I'll add to my original comment.Ronnie appears to have seperated enough from Ricky that it's not 50/50 but they were at a 65/35 split this past week and Ricky has had double digit carries every game.Ronnie looks way better than I thought he would but I don't think the Dolphin offense is dynamic enough to support double digit carries to a second RB while allowing the primary RB to be a top 10 kind of guy. Not sure any offense is for that matter. Look at Dallas last year. Julius Jones got 10 carries a game but that was enough to keep Barber out of the top 10 based on PPG and that's with Barber playing for a dynamic offense which affords more TD chances. I will say I was actually more impressed with Ronnie Brown after this weekends game than with his 4 TD effort because he ran against a better defense and ran the best he has all season when he was lined up as a conventional RB and not in the wildhog which I think will continue to get used all year but have diminishing returns.

 

[benm3218]

interesting that no one disagreed with him being top 3 and number 1 by season end.

I would not put him in my top 15 RB's going forward.

There should be a great deal of skepticism as plenty of running backs are much safer than Brown. His injury history makes him iffy but he has low mileage and great skills. Sparano will continue to preserve him because he knows this -- and it will shave about 15% off what his his touches would be. Yet Ricky could save Ronnie from being injured so I'm sure most owners would welcome that.

I'll add to my original comment.Ronnie appears to have seperated enough from Ricky that it's not 50/50 but they were at a 65/35 split this past week and Ricky has had double digit carries every game.Ronnie looks way better than I thought he would but I don't think the Dolphin offense is dynamic enough to support double digit carries to a second RB while allowing the primary RB to be a top 10 kind of guy. Not sure any offense is for that matter. Look at Dallas last year. Julius Jones got 10 carries a game but that was enough to keep Barber out of the top 10 based on PPG and that's with Barber playing for a dynamic offense which affords more TD chances. I will say I was actually more impressed with Ronnie Brown after this weekends game than with his 4 TD effort because he ran against a better defense and ran the best he has all season when he was lined up as a conventional RB and not in the wildhog which I think will continue to get used all year but have diminishing returns.

I kind of agree with most of this, except I think that most all NFL teams these days use 2 backs. I think having Ricky there helps to keep him dynamic and energetic all game... I think that Ricky isnt the type of back at this stage is his career to challenge him for the role, so its a perfect situation. A much better situation than having a great young draftee nipping at your heels... I think he'll be the focal point of the offense and is young and only going to get better. I think this situation is very different than Julius Jones and Barber. But, of course this is just my opinion.Now, in your original post you said he was outside the top 15... I can't honestly see 15 that should be above him. You were kidding with me right?

 

[Eviloutsider]

interesting that no one disagreed with him being top 3 and number 1 by season end.

I would not put him in my top 15 RB's going forward.

There should be a great deal of skepticism as plenty of running backs are much safer than Brown. His injury history makes him iffy but he has low mileage and great skills. Sparano will continue to preserve him because he knows this -- and it will shave about 15% off what his his touches would be. Yet Ricky could save Ronnie from being injured so I'm sure most owners would welcome that.

I'll add to my original comment.Ronnie appears to have seperated enough from Ricky that it's not 50/50 but they were at a 65/35 split this past week and Ricky has had double digit carries every game.Ronnie looks way better than I thought he would but I don't think the Dolphin offense is dynamic enough to support double digit carries to a second RB while allowing the primary RB to be a top 10 kind of guy. Not sure any offense is for that matter. Look at Dallas last year. Julius Jones got 10 carries a game but that was enough to keep Barber out of the top 10 based on PPG and that's with Barber playing for a dynamic offense which affords more TD chances. I will say I was actually more impressed with Ronnie Brown after this weekends game than with his 4 TD effort because he ran against a better defense and ran the best he has all season when he was lined up as a conventional RB and not in the wildhog which I think will continue to get used all year but have diminishing returns.

I kind of agree with most of this, except I think that most all NFL teams these days use 2 backs. I think having Ricky there helps to keep him dynamic and energetic all game... I think that Ricky isnt the type of back at this stage is his career to challenge him for the role, so its a perfect situation. A much better situation than having a great young draftee nipping at your heels... I think he'll be the focal point of the offense and is young and only going to get better. I think this situation is very different than Julius Jones and Barber. But, of course this is just my opinion.Now, in your original post you said he was outside the top 15... I can't honestly see 15 that should be above him. You were kidding with me right?

In no order...1) Portis2) Barber3) SJax4) Tomlinson5) Gore6) Westbrook7) Addai8) Lynch9) Turner10) Bush11) Parker12) C. Johnson13) Grant14) Jacobs15) ForteI would trade Brown for everyone on the list except Johnson and Parker (till he is back). Brown is close to Graham, Slaton, T. Jones, MJD, and LJ. He is ahead of Stewart, J. Jones, Maroney, McFadden, James, F. Taylor, S. Young, etc.

 

[Gopher State]

I have Westbrook, W. Parker, Colston on my FF team, Brown is also on my team, so the odds of him getting hurt are great

 

[menobrown]

interesting that no one disagreed with him being top 3 and number 1 by season end.

I would not put him in my top 15 RB's going forward.

There should be a great deal of skepticism as plenty of running backs are much safer than Brown. His injury history makes him iffy but he has low mileage and great skills. Sparano will continue to preserve him because he knows this -- and it will shave about 15% off what his his touches would be. Yet Ricky could save Ronnie from being injured so I'm sure most owners would welcome that.

I'll add to my original comment.Ronnie appears to have seperated enough from Ricky that it's not 50/50 but they were at a 65/35 split this past week and Ricky has had double digit carries every game.Ronnie looks way better than I thought he would but I don't think the Dolphin offense is dynamic enough to support double digit carries to a second RB while allowing the primary RB to be a top 10 kind of guy. Not sure any offense is for that matter. Look at Dallas last year. Julius Jones got 10 carries a game but that was enough to keep Barber out of the top 10 based on PPG and that's with Barber playing for a dynamic offense which affords more TD chances. I will say I was actually more impressed with Ronnie Brown after this weekends game than with his 4 TD effort because he ran against a better defense and ran the best he has all season when he was lined up as a conventional RB and not in the wildhog which I think will continue to get used all year but have diminishing returns.

I kind of agree with most of this, except I think that most all NFL teams these days use 2 backs. I think having Ricky there helps to keep him dynamic and energetic all game... I think that Ricky isnt the type of back at this stage is his career to challenge him for the role, so its a perfect situation. A much better situation than having a great young draftee nipping at your heels... I think he'll be the focal point of the offense and is young and only going to get better. I think this situation is very different than Julius Jones and Barber. But, of course this is just my opinion.Now, in your original post you said he was outside the top 15... I can't honestly see 15 that should be above him. You were kidding with me right?

I've not ranked out my RB's but no I don't think I'd have Brown in the top 15. Again I use the Barber example. I'll throw Derrick Ward out of the rankings as he is the second Giant who outperformed Barber on a PPG basis last year and Barber was #13 last year and I think Barber got more TD chances than Brown is going to get. I realize most teams use a 2 or more RB system but I don't know any RB in the league I'd put my top 10 if I think their is another RB on the team getting more than 10 touches. The Dolphins have had a ton of rushing attempts the past few weeks so even with a split Ronnie has got his carries but I don't think the amount of carries we have seen the last two weeks the Dolphins can maintain.I will say on my rankings I only play in PPR leagues so I tend to look at all RB's from that perspective. The stats I provided showing Barber as #13 are not PPR but I don't think Browns role in the passing game is what it was like his first few years so I don't bump him up in PPR leagues. Barring an injury to Ricky Williams I'd only put Brown in my top 10 PPR if I felt his role was going to expand in the passing game and while I think it should I've not seen evidence of it.Nothing wrong with #15 for what it's worth. That's a solid RB2.

 

[ChuckLiddell]

interesting that no one disagreed with him being top 3 and number 1 by season end.

I would not put him in my top 15 RB's going forward.

There should be a great deal of skepticism as plenty of running backs are much safer than Brown. His injury history makes him iffy but he has low mileage and great skills. Sparano will continue to preserve him because he knows this -- and it will shave about 15% off what his his touches would be. Yet Ricky could save Ronnie from being injured so I'm sure most owners would welcome that.

I'll add to my original comment.Ronnie appears to have seperated enough from Ricky that it's not 50/50 but they were at a 65/35 split this past week and Ricky has had double digit carries every game.Ronnie looks way better than I thought he would but I don't think the Dolphin offense is dynamic enough to support double digit carries to a second RB while allowing the primary RB to be a top 10 kind of guy. Not sure any offense is for that matter. Look at Dallas last year. Julius Jones got 10 carries a game but that was enough to keep Barber out of the top 10 based on PPG and that's with Barber playing for a dynamic offense which affords more TD chances. I will say I was actually more impressed with Ronnie Brown after this weekends game than with his 4 TD effort because he ran against a better defense and ran the best he has all season when he was lined up as a conventional RB and not in the wildhog which I think will continue to get used all year but have diminishing returns.

I kind of agree with most of this, except I think that most all NFL teams these days use 2 backs. I think having Ricky there helps to keep him dynamic and energetic all game... I think that Ricky isnt the type of back at this stage is his career to challenge him for the role, so its a perfect situation. A much better situation than having a great young draftee nipping at your heels... I think he'll be the focal point of the offense and is young and only going to get better. I think this situation is very different than Julius Jones and Barber. But, of course this is just my opinion.Now, in your original post you said he was outside the top 15... I can't honestly see 15 that should be above him. You were kidding with me right?

In no order...1) Portis2) Barber3) SJax4) Tomlinson5) Gore6) Westbrook7) Addai8) Lynch9) Turner10) Bush11) Parker12) C. Johnson13) Grant14) Jacobs15) ForteI would trade Brown for everyone on the list except Johnson and Parker (till he is back). Brown is close to Graham, Slaton, T. Jones, MJD, and LJ. He is ahead of Stewart, J. Jones, Maroney, McFadden, James, F. Taylor, S. Young, etc.

Grant? That seems really really silly to me. Just IMO of course. I think RB belongs in any top 15 list for running backs out there personally.

 

[benm3218]

interesting that no one disagreed with him being top 3 and number 1 by season end.

I would not put him in my top 15 RB's going forward.

There should be a great deal of skepticism as plenty of running backs are much safer than Brown. His injury history makes him iffy but he has low mileage and great skills. Sparano will continue to preserve him because he knows this -- and it will shave about 15% off what his his touches would be. Yet Ricky could save Ronnie from being injured so I'm sure most owners would welcome that.

I'll add to my original comment.Ronnie appears to have seperated enough from Ricky that it's not 50/50 but they were at a 65/35 split this past week and Ricky has had double digit carries every game.Ronnie looks way better than I thought he would but I don't think the Dolphin offense is dynamic enough to support double digit carries to a second RB while allowing the primary RB to be a top 10 kind of guy. Not sure any offense is for that matter. Look at Dallas last year. Julius Jones got 10 carries a game but that was enough to keep Barber out of the top 10 based on PPG and that's with Barber playing for a dynamic offense which affords more TD chances. I will say I was actually more impressed with Ronnie Brown after this weekends game than with his 4 TD effort because he ran against a better defense and ran the best he has all season when he was lined up as a conventional RB and not in the wildhog which I think will continue to get used all year but have diminishing returns.

I kind of agree with most of this, except I think that most all NFL teams these days use 2 backs. I think having Ricky there helps to keep him dynamic and energetic all game... I think that Ricky isnt the type of back at this stage is his career to challenge him for the role, so its a perfect situation. A much better situation than having a great young draftee nipping at your heels... I think he'll be the focal point of the offense and is young and only going to get better. I think this situation is very different than Julius Jones and Barber. But, of course this is just my opinion.Now, in your original post you said he was outside the top 15... I can't honestly see 15 that should be above him. You were kidding with me right?

In no order...1) Portis2) Barber3) SJax4) Tomlinson5) Gore6) Westbrook7) Addai8) Lynch9) Turner10) Bush11) Parker12) C. Johnson13) Grant14) Jacobs15) ForteI would trade Brown for everyone on the list except Johnson and Parker (till he is back). Brown is close to Graham, Slaton, T. Jones, MJD, and LJ. He is ahead of Stewart, J. Jones, Maroney, McFadden, James, F. Taylor, S. Young, etc.

I would not trade him for Ryan Grant in a BILLION years. Hello???

 

[menobrown]

From that list above I would absolutely not prefer Grant over Brown. Not sure about Willie Parker and LT due to their injury situation. I'd have to really think about those two and any other RB's I'd rather have than Ronnie Brown. There is one RB not on that list I'd absolutely prefer but the reaction from all of you would be more negative than your reaction to Grant. That player is Willis Mcgahee in a PPR format.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Ronnie Brown is one of the most talented RBs in the entire league. His only bane is staying healthy. He has spent the entirety of his career in an abysmal situation and still would be considered a top 3 RB if he had only stayed healthy.

Watching him run is a treat. A neat little trick you could play on people watching Brown run. Pause the TV after Brown gets the handoff and guess how many yards he's going to get on that run. He will always end up getting at least 2-3 more yards than you guess. Always. Seeing those guys lined up in the backfield as soon as he gets the ball you'll probably be guessing negative yardage much of the time, but he never loses yards. Especially back a few years ago when the Fins line was even worse, the guy would end up with some of the most unbelievable 3-5 yard runs you'll ever see. Sit down and watch this past week's Dolphins game in its entirety and you'll see what I'm talking about.

As a Dolphin fan, I can honestly say that I don't get in the least bit worried when the Fins have a 3rd and 2 or 4th and 1, because I know without a shadow of a doubt that all they have to do is give Ronnie Brown the ball and he will convert.

Unfortunately, the health issues diminish all this greatly. If he's not out on the field, what good is the talent?

 

[Oh Yes!]

the LT owner is trying to get RB, wayne, and witten from me...

 

[=Smackdown=]

Watching him run is a treat.

I'd like to see Wildcat Brown throw some more too.

 

[NoFBinLA]

Pros for Ronnie -

Was a top back prior to injury last year

Looks very comfortable in an offense that suits him

Apparently improved OLine

Cons for Ronnie-

Injury Magnet

Is thriving on gimmicky plays - want to see what he does when somebody stops the Wildcat

Ricky W (admittedly this looks like a very minor concern)

He also has some good matchups as the season goes. I'd say he has some momentum and could be a strong RB down the stretch for alot of teams.

 

[Duke1948]

Cons for Ronnie-

Injury Magnet

Is thriving on gimmicky plays - want to see what he does when somebody stops the Wildcat

Ricky W (admittedly this looks like a very minor concern)

did you watch him last year......no gimmicks then.

 

[NoFBinLA]

Cons for Ronnie-

Injury Magnet

Is thriving on gimmicky plays - want to see what he does when somebody stops the Wildcat

Ricky W (admittedly this looks like a very minor concern)

did you watch him last year......no gimmicks then.

No offensive line either.I felt I covered last years work under the pros - he was a top RB last year. Didn't feel the need to go into detail on that.

However he's being used gimmicky this year. And until I see him used otherwise, I am concerned that the way he is getting production.

It should be a concern. The offense is most effective when they run college plays. I would assume SOMEONE adjusts for that soon and I am worried about his production then.

 

[menobrown]

Cons for Ronnie-

Injury Magnet

Is thriving on gimmicky plays - want to see what he does when somebody stops the Wildcat

Ricky W (admittedly this looks like a very minor concern)

did you watch him last year......no gimmicks then.

That was last year. Pre ACL and a different system. The game yesterday was the first game all season he was productive running out of a standard offensive set which is why I thought yesterday was more impressive for his prognosis this season than what he did against the Pats.

 

[az_prof]

interesting that no one disagreed with him being top 3 and number 1 by season end.

I would not put him in my top 15 RB's going forward.

There should be a great deal of skepticism as plenty of running backs are much safer than Brown. His injury history makes him iffy but he has low mileage and great skills. Sparano will continue to preserve him because he knows this -- and it will shave about 15% off what his his touches would be. Yet Ricky could save Ronnie from being injured so I'm sure most owners would welcome that.

I'll add to my original comment.Ronnie appears to have seperated enough from Ricky that it's not 50/50 but they were at a 65/35 split this past week and Ricky has had double digit carries every game.Ronnie looks way better than I thought he would but I don't think the Dolphin offense is dynamic enough to support double digit carries to a second RB while allowing the primary RB to be a top 10 kind of guy. Not sure any offense is for that matter. Look at Dallas last year. Julius Jones got 10 carries a game but that was enough to keep Barber out of the top 10 based on PPG and that's with Barber playing for a dynamic offense which affords more TD chances. I will say I was actually more impressed with Ronnie Brown after this weekends game than with his 4 TD effort because he ran against a better defense and ran the best he has all season when he was lined up as a conventional RB and not in the wildhog which I think will continue to get used all year but have diminishing returns.

I kind of agree with most of this, except I think that most all NFL teams these days use 2 backs. I think having Ricky there helps to keep him dynamic and energetic all game... I think that Ricky isnt the type of back at this stage is his career to challenge him for the role, so its a perfect situation. A much better situation than having a great young draftee nipping at your heels... I think he'll be the focal point of the offense and is young and only going to get better. I think this situation is very different than Julius Jones and Barber. But, of course this is just my opinion.Now, in your original post you said he was outside the top 15... I can't honestly see 15 that should be above him. You were kidding with me right?

In no order...1) Portis2) Barber3) SJax4) Tomlinson5) Gore6) Westbrook7) Addai8) Lynch9) Turner10) Bush11) Parker12) C. Johnson13) Grant14) Jacobs15) ForteI would trade Brown for everyone on the list except Johnson and Parker (till he is back). Brown is close to Graham, Slaton, T. Jones, MJD, and LJ. He is ahead of Stewart, J. Jones, Maroney, McFadden, James, F. Taylor, S. Young, etc.

Almost all of your 15 have questions about their own durability and situation or performance in 08. The rookies? The rookie wall is a cliche for a reason--it's real. A number of these guys are dealing with injuries this season that will likely limit them: FWP, LT, Westbrook. He has outperformed most of the rest so far and short of another injury, hard to imagine why that wouldn't continue. There are some good backs on that list but none that jumps out and clearly is better this season. Care to explain your top 15?

 

[Eviloutsider]

interesting that no one disagreed with him being top 3 and number 1 by season end.

I would not put him in my top 15 RB's going forward.

There should be a great deal of skepticism as plenty of running backs are much safer than Brown. His injury history makes him iffy but he has low mileage and great skills. Sparano will continue to preserve him because he knows this -- and it will shave about 15% off what his his touches would be. Yet Ricky could save Ronnie from being injured so I'm sure most owners would welcome that.

I'll add to my original comment.Ronnie appears to have seperated enough from Ricky that it's not 50/50 but they were at a 65/35 split this past week and Ricky has had double digit carries every game.Ronnie looks way better than I thought he would but I don't think the Dolphin offense is dynamic enough to support double digit carries to a second RB while allowing the primary RB to be a top 10 kind of guy. Not sure any offense is for that matter. Look at Dallas last year. Julius Jones got 10 carries a game but that was enough to keep Barber out of the top 10 based on PPG and that's with Barber playing for a dynamic offense which affords more TD chances. I will say I was actually more impressed with Ronnie Brown after this weekends game than with his 4 TD effort because he ran against a better defense and ran the best he has all season when he was lined up as a conventional RB and not in the wildhog which I think will continue to get used all year but have diminishing returns.

I kind of agree with most of this, except I think that most all NFL teams these days use 2 backs. I think having Ricky there helps to keep him dynamic and energetic all game... I think that Ricky isnt the type of back at this stage is his career to challenge him for the role, so its a perfect situation. A much better situation than having a great young draftee nipping at your heels... I think he'll be the focal point of the offense and is young and only going to get better. I think this situation is very different than Julius Jones and Barber. But, of course this is just my opinion.Now, in your original post you said he was outside the top 15... I can't honestly see 15 that should be above him. You were kidding with me right?

In no order...1) Portis2) Barber3) SJax4) Tomlinson5) Gore6) Westbrook7) Addai8) Lynch9) Turner10) Bush11) Parker12) C. Johnson13) Grant14) Jacobs15) ForteI would trade Brown for everyone on the list except Johnson and Parker (till he is back). Brown is close to Graham, Slaton, T. Jones, MJD, and LJ. He is ahead of Stewart, J. Jones, Maroney, McFadden, James, F. Taylor, S. Young, etc.

Grant? That seems really really silly to me. Just IMO of course. I think RB belongs in any top 15 list for running backs out there personally.

I have confidence that GB will get their running game going in the second half just like last year. Also, I think Miami is still a RBBC and Brown has injury concerns. This is all coming from a Ronnie Brown owner.

 

[benm3218]

interesting that no one disagreed with him being top 3 and number 1 by season end.

I would not put him in my top 15 RB's going forward.

There should be a great deal of skepticism as plenty of running backs are much safer than Brown. His injury history makes him iffy but he has low mileage and great skills. Sparano will continue to preserve him because he knows this -- and it will shave about 15% off what his his touches would be. Yet Ricky could save Ronnie from being injured so I'm sure most owners would welcome that.

I'll add to my original comment.Ronnie appears to have seperated enough from Ricky that it's not 50/50 but they were at a 65/35 split this past week and Ricky has had double digit carries every game.Ronnie looks way better than I thought he would but I don't think the Dolphin offense is dynamic enough to support double digit carries to a second RB while allowing the primary RB to be a top 10 kind of guy. Not sure any offense is for that matter. Look at Dallas last year. Julius Jones got 10 carries a game but that was enough to keep Barber out of the top 10 based on PPG and that's with Barber playing for a dynamic offense which affords more TD chances. I will say I was actually more impressed with Ronnie Brown after this weekends game than with his 4 TD effort because he ran against a better defense and ran the best he has all season when he was lined up as a conventional RB and not in the wildhog which I think will continue to get used all year but have diminishing returns.

I kind of agree with most of this, except I think that most all NFL teams these days use 2 backs. I think having Ricky there helps to keep him dynamic and energetic all game... I think that Ricky isnt the type of back at this stage is his career to challenge him for the role, so its a perfect situation. A much better situation than having a great young draftee nipping at your heels... I think he'll be the focal point of the offense and is young and only going to get better. I think this situation is very different than Julius Jones and Barber. But, of course this is just my opinion.Now, in your original post you said he was outside the top 15... I can't honestly see 15 that should be above him. You were kidding with me right?

In no order...1) Portis2) Barber3) SJax4) Tomlinson5) Gore6) Westbrook7) Addai8) Lynch9) Turner10) Bush11) Parker12) C. Johnson13) Grant14) Jacobs15) ForteI would trade Brown for everyone on the list except Johnson and Parker (till he is back). Brown is close to Graham, Slaton, T. Jones, MJD, and LJ. He is ahead of Stewart, J. Jones, Maroney, McFadden, James, F. Taylor, S. Young, etc.

Grant? That seems really really silly to me. Just IMO of course. I think RB belongs in any top 15 list for running backs out there personally.

I have confidence that GB will get their running game going in the second half just like last year. Also, I think Miami is still a RBBC and Brown has injury concerns. This is all coming from a Ronnie Brown owner.

Ryan Grant is nothing close to Ronnie Brown. On top of that, he is injury plagued too and has MUCH less job security than Ronnie.

 

[BuckeyeArt]

interesting that no one disagreed with him being top 3 and number 1 by season end.

I would not put him in my top 15 RB's going forward.

There should be a great deal of skepticism as plenty of running backs are much safer than Brown. His injury history makes him iffy but he has low mileage and great skills. Sparano will continue to preserve him because he knows this -- and it will shave about 15% off what his his touches would be. Yet Ricky could save Ronnie from being injured so I'm sure most owners would welcome that.

I'll add to my original comment.Ronnie appears to have seperated enough from Ricky that it's not 50/50 but they were at a 65/35 split this past week and Ricky has had double digit carries every game.Ronnie looks way better than I thought he would but I don't think the Dolphin offense is dynamic enough to support double digit carries to a second RB while allowing the primary RB to be a top 10 kind of guy. Not sure any offense is for that matter. Look at Dallas last year. Julius Jones got 10 carries a game but that was enough to keep Barber out of the top 10 based on PPG and that's with Barber playing for a dynamic offense which affords more TD chances. I will say I was actually more impressed with Ronnie Brown after this weekends game than with his 4 TD effort because he ran against a better defense and ran the best he has all season when he was lined up as a conventional RB and not in the wildhog which I think will continue to get used all year but have diminishing returns.

I kind of agree with most of this, except I think that most all NFL teams these days use 2 backs. I think having Ricky there helps to keep him dynamic and energetic all game... I think that Ricky isnt the type of back at this stage is his career to challenge him for the role, so its a perfect situation. A much better situation than having a great young draftee nipping at your heels... I think he'll be the focal point of the offense and is young and only going to get better. I think this situation is very different than Julius Jones and Barber. But, of course this is just my opinion.Now, in your original post you said he was outside the top 15... I can't honestly see 15 that should be above him. You were kidding with me right?

In no order...1) Portis2) Barber3) SJax4) Tomlinson5) Gore6) Westbrook7) Addai8) Lynch9) Turner10) Bush11) Parker12) C. Johnson13) Grant14) Jacobs15) ForteI would trade Brown for everyone on the list except Johnson and Parker (till he is back). Brown is close to Graham, Slaton, T. Jones, MJD, and LJ. He is ahead of Stewart, J. Jones, Maroney, McFadden, James, F. Taylor, S. Young, etc.

Grant? That seems really really silly to me. Just IMO of course. I think RB belongs in any top 15 list for running backs out there personally.

I have confidence that GB will get their running game going in the second half just like last year. Also, I think Miami is still a RBBC and Brown has injury concerns. This is all coming from a Ronnie Brown owner.

So, let me get this straight. Using FBG scoring, Brown was #1 in ppg through 7 weeks last year and is #1 in ppg through 5 weeks this year but you still can't quite fit him into your top 15? In addition, despite your insistence that you would trade him for any of the 15 guys (except Parker or Johnson), you somehow still own Brown. Can you reallly not get any of those other owners to trade for Brown?

 

[benm3218]

interesting that no one disagreed with him being top 3 and number 1 by season end.

I would not put him in my top 15 RB's going forward.

There should be a great deal of skepticism as plenty of running backs are much safer than Brown. His injury history makes him iffy but he has low mileage and great skills. Sparano will continue to preserve him because he knows this -- and it will shave about 15% off what his his touches would be. Yet Ricky could save Ronnie from being injured so I'm sure most owners would welcome that.

I'll add to my original comment.Ronnie appears to have seperated enough from Ricky that it's not 50/50 but they were at a 65/35 split this past week and Ricky has had double digit carries every game.Ronnie looks way better than I thought he would but I don't think the Dolphin offense is dynamic enough to support double digit carries to a second RB while allowing the primary RB to be a top 10 kind of guy. Not sure any offense is for that matter. Look at Dallas last year. Julius Jones got 10 carries a game but that was enough to keep Barber out of the top 10 based on PPG and that's with Barber playing for a dynamic offense which affords more TD chances. I will say I was actually more impressed with Ronnie Brown after this weekends game than with his 4 TD effort because he ran against a better defense and ran the best he has all season when he was lined up as a conventional RB and not in the wildhog which I think will continue to get used all year but have diminishing returns.

I kind of agree with most of this, except I think that most all NFL teams these days use 2 backs. I think having Ricky there helps to keep him dynamic and energetic all game... I think that Ricky isnt the type of back at this stage is his career to challenge him for the role, so its a perfect situation. A much better situation than having a great young draftee nipping at your heels... I think he'll be the focal point of the offense and is young and only going to get better. I think this situation is very different than Julius Jones and Barber. But, of course this is just my opinion.Now, in your original post you said he was outside the top 15... I can't honestly see 15 that should be above him. You were kidding with me right?

In no order...1) Portis2) Barber3) SJax4) Tomlinson5) Gore6) Westbrook7) Addai8) Lynch9) Turner10) Bush11) Parker12) C. Johnson13) Grant14) Jacobs15) ForteI would trade Brown for everyone on the list except Johnson and Parker (till he is back). Brown is close to Graham, Slaton, T. Jones, MJD, and LJ. He is ahead of Stewart, J. Jones, Maroney, McFadden, James, F. Taylor, S. Young, etc.

Grant? That seems really really silly to me. Just IMO of course. I think RB belongs in any top 15 list for running backs out there personally.

I have confidence that GB will get their running game going in the second half just like last year. Also, I think Miami is still a RBBC and Brown has injury concerns. This is all coming from a Ronnie Brown owner.

So, let me get this straight. Using FBG scoring, Brown was #1 in ppg through 7 weeks last year and is #1 in ppg through 5 weeks this year but you still can't quite fit him into your top 15? In addition, despite your insistence that you would trade him for any of the 15 guys (except Parker or Johnson), you somehow still own Brown. Can you reallly not get any of those other owners to trade for Brown?

lolgreat point on the other owners not trading.

 

[BigJim®]

Ronnie looks way better than I thought he would but I don't think the Dolphin offense is dynamic enough to support double digit carries to a second RB while allowing the primary RB to be a top 10 kind of guy.

Great argument for why the #2 RB will not typically get double digit carries.

 

[BigJim®]

interesting that no one disagreed with him being top 3 and number 1 by season end.

I would not put him in my top 15 RB's going forward.

There should be a great deal of skepticism as plenty of running backs are much safer than Brown. His injury history makes him iffy but he has low mileage and great skills.

Sparano will continue to preserve him because he knows this -- and it will shave about 15% off what his his touches would be. Yet Ricky could save Ronnie from being injured so I'm sure most owners would welcome that.

I'll add to my original comment.Ronnie appears to have seperated enough from Ricky that it's not 50/50 but they were at a 65/35 split this past week and Ricky has had double digit carries every game.

Ronnie looks way better than I thought he would but I don't think the Dolphin offense is dynamic enough to support double digit carries to a second RB while allowing the primary RB to be a top 10 kind of guy. Not sure any offense is for that matter. Look at Dallas last year. Julius Jones got 10 carries a game but that was enough to keep Barber out of the top 10 based on PPG and that's with Barber playing for a dynamic offense which affords more TD chances.

I will say I was actually more impressed with Ronnie Brown after this weekends game than with his 4 TD effort because he ran against a better defense and ran the best he has all season when he was lined up as a conventional RB and not in the wildhog which I think will continue to get used all year but have diminishing returns.

I kind of agree with most of this, except I think that most all NFL teams these days use 2 backs. I think having Ricky there helps to keep him dynamic and energetic all game... I think that Ricky isnt the type of back at this stage is his career to challenge him for the role, so its a perfect situation. A much better situation than having a great young draftee nipping at your heels... I think he'll be the focal point of the offense and is young and only going to get better. I think this situation is very different than Julius Jones and Barber. But, of course this is just my opinion.

Now, in your original post you said he was outside the top 15... I can't honestly see 15 that should be above him. You were kidding with me right?

In no order...1) Portis

2) Barber

3) SJax

4) Tomlinson

5) Gore

6) Westbrook

7) Addai

8) Lynch

9) Turner

10) Bush

11) Parker

12) C. Johnson

13) Grant

14) Jacobs

15) Forte

I would trade Brown for everyone on the list except Johnson and Parker (till he is back). Brown is close to Graham, Slaton, T. Jones, MJD, and LJ. He is ahead of Stewart, J. Jones, Maroney, McFadden, James, F. Taylor, S. Young, etc.

Grant? That seems really really silly to me. Just IMO of course. I think RB belongs in any top 15 list for running backs out there personally.

I have confidence that GB will get their running game going in the second half just like last year. Also, I think Miami is still a RBBC and Brown has injury concerns. This is all coming from a Ronnie Brown owner.

Let me get this straight: You would trade Ronnie Brown for any of those guys you mentioned but you still own him in your league? Mmmmk.

 

[Eviloutsider]

interesting that no one disagreed with him being top 3 and number 1 by season end.

I would not put him in my top 15 RB's going forward.

There should be a great deal of skepticism as plenty of running backs are much safer than Brown. His injury history makes him iffy but he has low mileage and great skills.

Sparano will continue to preserve him because he knows this -- and it will shave about 15% off what his his touches would be. Yet Ricky could save Ronnie from being injured so I'm sure most owners would welcome that.

I'll add to my original comment.Ronnie appears to have seperated enough from Ricky that it's not 50/50 but they were at a 65/35 split this past week and Ricky has had double digit carries every game.

Ronnie looks way better than I thought he would but I don't think the Dolphin offense is dynamic enough to support double digit carries to a second RB while allowing the primary RB to be a top 10 kind of guy. Not sure any offense is for that matter. Look at Dallas last year. Julius Jones got 10 carries a game but that was enough to keep Barber out of the top 10 based on PPG and that's with Barber playing for a dynamic offense which affords more TD chances.

I will say I was actually more impressed with Ronnie Brown after this weekends game than with his 4 TD effort because he ran against a better defense and ran the best he has all season when he was lined up as a conventional RB and not in the wildhog which I think will continue to get used all year but have diminishing returns.

I kind of agree with most of this, except I think that most all NFL teams these days use 2 backs. I think having Ricky there helps to keep him dynamic and energetic all game... I think that Ricky isnt the type of back at this stage is his career to challenge him for the role, so its a perfect situation. A much better situation than having a great young draftee nipping at your heels... I think he'll be the focal point of the offense and is young and only going to get better. I think this situation is very different than Julius Jones and Barber. But, of course this is just my opinion.

Now, in your original post you said he was outside the top 15... I can't honestly see 15 that should be above him. You were kidding with me right?

In no order...1) Portis

2) Barber

3) SJax

4) Tomlinson

5) Gore

6) Westbrook

7) Addai

8) Lynch

9) Turner

10) Bush

11) Parker

12) C. Johnson

13) Grant

14) Jacobs

15) Forte

I would trade Brown for everyone on the list except Johnson and Parker (till he is back). Brown is close to Graham, Slaton, T. Jones, MJD, and LJ. He is ahead of Stewart, J. Jones, Maroney, McFadden, James, F. Taylor, S. Young, etc.

Grant? That seems really really silly to me. Just IMO of course. I think RB belongs in any top 15 list for running backs out there personally.

I have confidence that GB will get their running game going in the second half just like last year. Also, I think Miami is still a RBBC and Brown has injury concerns. This is all coming from a Ronnie Brown owner.

Let me get this straight: You would trade Ronnie Brown for any of those guys you mentioned but you still own him in your league? Mmmmk.

Yes. In most leagues Ronnie still isn't worth much in most peoples eyes. I have some pending trades out but no takers. Seel high. MMMMMMMMMMMMMKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK

 

[benm3218]

interesting that no one disagreed with him being top 3 and number 1 by season end.

I would not put him in my top 15 RB's going forward.

There should be a great deal of skepticism as plenty of running backs are much safer than Brown. His injury history makes him iffy but he has low mileage and great skills.

Sparano will continue to preserve him because he knows this -- and it will shave about 15% off what his his touches would be. Yet Ricky could save Ronnie from being injured so I'm sure most owners would welcome that.

I'll add to my original comment.Ronnie appears to have seperated enough from Ricky that it's not 50/50 but they were at a 65/35 split this past week and Ricky has had double digit carries every game.

Ronnie looks way better than I thought he would but I don't think the Dolphin offense is dynamic enough to support double digit carries to a second RB while allowing the primary RB to be a top 10 kind of guy. Not sure any offense is for that matter. Look at Dallas last year. Julius Jones got 10 carries a game but that was enough to keep Barber out of the top 10 based on PPG and that's with Barber playing for a dynamic offense which affords more TD chances.

I will say I was actually more impressed with Ronnie Brown after this weekends game than with his 4 TD effort because he ran against a better defense and ran the best he has all season when he was lined up as a conventional RB and not in the wildhog which I think will continue to get used all year but have diminishing returns.

I kind of agree with most of this, except I think that most all NFL teams these days use 2 backs. I think having Ricky there helps to keep him dynamic and energetic all game... I think that Ricky isnt the type of back at this stage is his career to challenge him for the role, so its a perfect situation. A much better situation than having a great young draftee nipping at your heels... I think he'll be the focal point of the offense and is young and only going to get better. I think this situation is very different than Julius Jones and Barber. But, of course this is just my opinion.

Now, in your original post you said he was outside the top 15... I can't honestly see 15 that should be above him. You were kidding with me right?

In no order...1) Portis

2) Barber

3) SJax

4) Tomlinson

5) Gore

6) Westbrook

7) Addai

8) Lynch

9) Turner

10) Bush

11) Parker

12) C. Johnson

13) Grant

14) Jacobs

15) Forte

I would trade Brown for everyone on the list except Johnson and Parker (till he is back). Brown is close to Graham, Slaton, T. Jones, MJD, and LJ. He is ahead of Stewart, J. Jones, Maroney, McFadden, James, F. Taylor, S. Young, etc.

Grant? That seems really really silly to me. Just IMO of course. I think RB belongs in any top 15 list for running backs out there personally.

I have confidence that GB will get their running game going in the second half just like last year. Also, I think Miami is still a RBBC and Brown has injury concerns. This is all coming from a Ronnie Brown owner.

Let me get this straight: You would trade Ronnie Brown for any of those guys you mentioned but you still own him in your league? Mmmmk.

Yes. In most leagues Ronnie still isn't worth much in most peoples eyes. I have some pending trades out but no takers. Seel high. MMMMMMMMMMMMMKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK

bull crap. no one believes you

 

[BigJim®]

interesting that no one disagreed with him being top 3 and number 1 by season end.

I would not put him in my top 15 RB's going forward.

There should be a great deal of skepticism as plenty of running backs are much safer than Brown. His injury history makes him iffy but he has low mileage and great skills.

Sparano will continue to preserve him because he knows this -- and it will shave about 15% off what his his touches would be. Yet Ricky could save Ronnie from being injured so I'm sure most owners would welcome that.

I'll add to my original comment.Ronnie appears to have seperated enough from Ricky that it's not 50/50 but they were at a 65/35 split this past week and Ricky has had double digit carries every game.

Ronnie looks way better than I thought he would but I don't think the Dolphin offense is dynamic enough to support double digit carries to a second RB while allowing the primary RB to be a top 10 kind of guy. Not sure any offense is for that matter. Look at Dallas last year. Julius Jones got 10 carries a game but that was enough to keep Barber out of the top 10 based on PPG and that's with Barber playing for a dynamic offense which affords more TD chances.

I will say I was actually more impressed with Ronnie Brown after this weekends game than with his 4 TD effort because he ran against a better defense and ran the best he has all season when he was lined up as a conventional RB and not in the wildhog which I think will continue to get used all year but have diminishing returns.

I kind of agree with most of this, except I think that most all NFL teams these days use 2 backs. I think having Ricky there helps to keep him dynamic and energetic all game... I think that Ricky isnt the type of back at this stage is his career to challenge him for the role, so its a perfect situation. A much better situation than having a great young draftee nipping at your heels... I think he'll be the focal point of the offense and is young and only going to get better. I think this situation is very different than Julius Jones and Barber. But, of course this is just my opinion.

Now, in your original post you said he was outside the top 15... I can't honestly see 15 that should be above him. You were kidding with me right?

In no order...1) Portis

2) Barber

3) SJax

4) Tomlinson

5) Gore

6) Westbrook

7) Addai

8) Lynch

9) Turner

10) Bush

11) Parker

12) C. Johnson

13) Grant

14) Jacobs

15) Forte

I would trade Brown for everyone on the list except Johnson and Parker (till he is back). Brown is close to Graham, Slaton, T. Jones, MJD, and LJ. He is ahead of Stewart, J. Jones, Maroney, McFadden, James, F. Taylor, S. Young, etc.

Grant? That seems really really silly to me. Just IMO of course. I think RB belongs in any top 15 list for running backs out there personally.

I have confidence that GB will get their running game going in the second half just like last year. Also, I think Miami is still a RBBC and Brown has injury concerns. This is all coming from a Ronnie Brown owner.

Let me get this straight: You would trade Ronnie Brown for any of those guys you mentioned but you still own him in your league? Mmmmk.

Yes. In most leagues Ronnie still isn't worth much in most peoples eyes. I have some pending trades out but no takers. Seel high. MMMMMMMMMMMMMKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK

Keep us updated.

 

[Stompin' Tom Connors]

Watching him run is a treat.

I'd like to see Wildcat Brown throw some more too.

It's been fun watching Miami bust out something out of the ordinary and find some success with it (did someone actually say in this thread that the MIA O offence wasn't dynamic enough?!?), but you hit upon the absolute key for Miami to be able to successfull call the wildcat formation going forward.One key component of its ongoing success at the pro level, IMHO, is having an RB who is at least a marginial threat to pass the ball -- otherwise, teams will simply stack the box. Knowing that there is the greatest probability of a run, the D shifts to the strong side to cover pursuit on the handoff or an offtackle, or has the weak side LB cover a counter. Keeping the D honest with a pass or two behind the LBs will help Miami keep teams guessing.I doubt Miami keeps trotting out the wildcat except for sporadically -- it just doesn't seem to be a sustainable gameplan in the NFL.One thing I agree with in this thread is watching Brown run -- he is obviously not afraid of contact, and is obviously back to form. Was rare seeing a player run with such a combination of speed, violence and joy. I think we're seeing a lot of it this season, though, in Brown as well as Barber and Jacobs.

 

[Stompin' Tom Connors]

interesting that no one disagreed with him being top 3 and number 1 by season end.

I would not put him in my top 15 RB's going forward.

Not to give away subscriber info, but the staff at FBG definitely disagree with you.