Ronnie Brown- should we be concerned about Ricky? (1 Viewer)

[cmv5]

Okay, first you have Cam saying that he wants to use 2 backs to keep the physical demands off of one player. Now you have the owner saying he wants Ricky Williams to return. Huizenga wants Ricky back.

Could this be a full blown committee again like it was when Ronnie was a rook? Do you think Ricky still has something left in the tank or even stays in Miami?

It's one thing to have Ronnie spelled or even have Sammy Morris take 3rd down duty. It is a whole other thing if he is splitting carries with someone. He would definitely move down my list.

 

[Ron_Mexico]

I agree, but I don't see them splitting carries down the middle.

I see a 65/35 split between Brown and Ricky.

Definately enough to downgrade Ronnie slightly.

 

[x260bm]

I am not concerned about him. Ricky is a shell of what he once was. It is normal for a starter not to get 100% of his teams carries.

 

[3nOut]

The same question can be asked in St. Loious if Faulk returns.

 

[Warhogs]

I am not concerned about him. Ricky is a shell of what he once was. It is normal for a starter not to get 100% of his teams carries.

I don't know that I agree with this. When Brown was a rookie I thought Williams was clearly outplaying Brown at the end of the season? Williams is a headcase and he is getting older but I think he still has enough talent to certain create a concern to Ronnie Brown owners.

 

[TheFanatic]

I am not concerned about him. Ricky is a shell of what he once was. It is normal for a starter not to get 100% of his teams carries.

I don't know that I agree with this. When Brown was a rookie I thought Williams was clearly outplaying Brown at the end of the season? Williams is a headcase and he is getting older but I think he still has enough talent to certain create a concern to Ronnie Brown owners.

Some local radio guy was interviewing the Dolphins beat writer recently and the guy said that Ricky is heads and shoulders above Brown in terms of skill and talent. That despite the off the field issues that Ricky is a much better RB. Could that change? Sure, age will catch up to Ricky. But will Ronnie ever be as good as Ricky in his prime? Possibly, but the book is still out. Don't be surprised if Ricky is featured this year more than just a 3rd of the time. Next year will probably be different...

 

[JohnnyU]

The same question can be asked in St. Loious if Faulk returns.

Not really, big difference IMO. Faulk is at the end, whereas I don't think RW is.

 

[TheFanatic]

The same question can be asked in St. Loious if Faulk returns.

Not really, big difference IMO. Faulk is at the end, whereas I don't think RW is.

I would agree with this. I don't think Faulk is coming back and I'm a St. Louis homer. In fact, I'm not sure the Rams want him back. Maybe, considering how much the league is going to a more RBBC mode, they could use him as a COP back or even line them both up in the backfield split on the goal line. Who do you key on? SJax, Bruce, Holt, Faulk, TE, QB on a naked boot?

 

[Bri]

Cam used 2 backs in SD with Tomlinson and Turner, I'd expect a similar distribution.

Sammy Morris is a UFA IIRC. He looked good last year, really impressed+surprised me. I figure the Fins org debated trading Ricky last time but kept him because he was so cheap. That wound up with him playing in the CFL and losing him for a year. I figure they'll be real tempted to not be burnt again and just re-sign Sammy+trade Ricky. It's very difficult to believe they can put any faith in him playing for them in 07. That is the 2nd full season he missed since he's been there. New coach, just start anew and get rid of him.

The money angle...yeah well he can pay them back from whereever he is. If the trade value is not good, cut him. He makes "peanuts" and I'd bet he gets a better deal(even if just a little) in FA so there will be more for him to pay them back with.

 

[Bri]

The same question can be asked in St. Loious if Faulk returns.

I think him playing in 07 is a rrrrrrrrrreal long shot.I would imagine him playing in Detroit before St. Louis. I don't think St. Louis will give him a big enough role to satisfy his appetite and his former coach just might esp with Jones hurting after surgery.I think St. Louis has moved on.

 

[Kit Fisto]

Could this be a full blown committee again like it was when Ronnie was a rook?

Yes.

Do you think Ricky still has something left in the tank or even stays in Miami?

Yes.

 

[guderian]

Does it matter? Miami threw the ball 591 times last year and only ran it 402. That is a 59.5% pass ratio--despite the fact that Harrington was the leading passer for the team.

If they get a more successful and balanced offense, Brown could still get +/- 18 carries (he averaged 18.5 last year) while RW gets +/- 10. Hopefully that will also result in more TDs for Brown.

Williams will be 30 next year and despite missing time the past few years, he still has a lot of mileage considering the load he carried in college and early on in the pros. In fact, the consensus opinion on this board is that Jamal Lewis (27 years old, 1,982 career touches) is washed up and Ricky Williams will be 30 next year with 2,003 career NFL touches--and they both have a similar style.

 

[ThePittbully]

It really depends how much Ricky has left when he comes back and how much he really WANTS to play. I totally believe if he commits himself to the game he will be far superior to brown even at this point

 

[Liquid Tension]

Does it matter? Miami threw the ball 591 times last year and only ran it 402. That is a 59.5% pass ratio--despite the fact that Harrington was the leading passer for the team. If they get a more successful and balanced offense, Brown could still get +/- 18 carries (he averaged 18.5 last year) while RW gets +/- 10. Hopefully that will also result in more TDs for Brown. Williams will be 30 next year and despite missing time the past few years, he still has a lot of mileage considering the load he carried in college and early on in the pros. In fact, the consensus opinion on this board is that Jamal Lewis (27 years old, 1,982 career touches) is washed up and Ricky Williams will be 30 next year with 2,003 career NFL touches--and they both have a similar style.

Correct, Ronnie won't see a decrease in his production as the Dolphins will run much more; this year they should have been running more. My only question with RBrown is it seems he gets a little tired too fast. But 20 carries a game is not an issue with him. May even keep him fresher. RB is a better short yardage back than Ricky IMO. I am not sure how Ricky will look, but he should be decent, but not like he was.

 

[Ron_Mexico]

Does it matter? Miami threw the ball 591 times last year and only ran it 402. That is a 59.5% pass ratio--despite the fact that Harrington was the leading passer for the team. If they get a more successful and balanced offense, Brown could still get +/- 18 carries (he averaged 18.5 last year) while RW gets +/- 10. Hopefully that will also result in more TDs for Brown. Williams will be 30 next year and despite missing time the past few years, he still has a lot of mileage considering the load he carried in college and early on in the pros. In fact, the consensus opinion on this board is that Jamal Lewis (27 years old, 1,982 career touches) is washed up and Ricky Williams will be 30 next year with 2,003 career NFL touches--and they both have a similar style.

Correct, Ronnie won't see a decrease in his production as the Dolphins will run much more; this year they should have been running more. My only question with RBrown is it seems he gets a little tired too fast. But 20 carries a game is not an issue with him. May even keep him fresher. RB is a better short yardage back than Ricky IMO. I am not sure how Ricky will look, but he should be decent, but not like he was.

Disagree. With a healthy Culpepper, I don't see the Dolphins throwingless than with Harrington. Expect more of the same with Ricky added to the package. There is no question in my mind that Ronnie Brown's value willdecrease slightly. Less touches = Less chance for FF points.

 

[Warhogs]

Does it matter? Miami threw the ball 591 times last year and only ran it 402. That is a 59.5% pass ratio--despite the fact that Harrington was the leading passer for the team. If they get a more successful and balanced offense, Brown could still get +/- 18 carries (he averaged 18.5 last year) while RW gets +/- 10. Hopefully that will also result in more TDs for Brown. Williams will be 30 next year and despite missing time the past few years, he still has a lot of mileage considering the load he carried in college and early on in the pros. In fact, the consensus opinion on this board is that Jamal Lewis (27 years old, 1,982 career touches) is washed up and Ricky Williams will be 30 next year with 2,003 career NFL touches--and they both have a similar style.

Many consider Jamal Lewis washed up because he has played a lot since his 2000 yard season and looks washed up. Ricky Williams looked pretty solid down the stretch in the 2005 season when he last played in the NFL. Not all RB will break down at the same time (2000 touches in your example). Bottom line is Ricky still looked good when he last played and Lewis did not.

 

[QUEZILLA]

I have Ronnie in 2 dynasty leagues, and have recently acquired Ricky in both. I really don't understand how people can say "Ricky is a shell of what he used to be." He looked fine to me 2 years ago, and would have put up very good numbers if he was the only one getting the carries. He came back once, and he will do it again. Watch and see

 

[guderian]

Does it matter? Miami threw the ball 591 times last year and only ran it 402. That is a 59.5% pass ratio--despite the fact that Harrington was the leading passer for the team. If they get a more successful and balanced offense, Brown could still get +/- 18 carries (he averaged 18.5 last year) while RW gets +/- 10. Hopefully that will also result in more TDs for Brown. Williams will be 30 next year and despite missing time the past few years, he still has a lot of mileage considering the load he carried in college and early on in the pros. In fact, the consensus opinion on this board is that Jamal Lewis (27 years old, 1,982 career touches) is washed up and Ricky Williams will be 30 next year with 2,003 career NFL touches--and they both have a similar style.

Correct, Ronnie won't see a decrease in his production as the Dolphins will run much more; this year they should have been running more. My only question with RBrown is it seems he gets a little tired too fast. But 20 carries a game is not an issue with him. May even keep him fresher. RB is a better short yardage back than Ricky IMO. I am not sure how Ricky will look, but he should be decent, but not like he was.

Disagree. With a healthy Culpepper, I don't see the Dolphins throwingless than with Harrington. Expect more of the same with Ricky added to the package. There is no question in my mind that Ronnie Brown's value willdecrease slightly. Less touches = Less chance for FF points.

I disagree. With a new coaching staff we throw out the old trends. Miami had the 4th fewest rushing attempts last year and the 4th most passing attempts. You can also throw out the "they were throwing because they were behind" argument, because in many close games they actually ran the ball very little. SD was at the other end of the spectrum ranking 2nd in rushing attempts. Brown did well last year on a terrible offense without a legitimate passing threat and it doesn't take a genius to figure out that he's one of the team's offensive strengths. I expect this to be a much more balanced offense next year which means more team rushing attempts--giving Brown the opportunity to maintain his average from last year of around 18/game.

 

[toxicbees]

I am not concerned about him. Ricky is a shell of what he once was. It is normal for a starter not to get 100% of his teams carries.

I don't know that I agree with this. When Brown was a rookie I thought Williams was clearly outplaying Brown at the end of the season? Williams is a headcase and he is getting older but I think he still has enough talent to certain create a concern to Ronnie Brown owners.

Some local radio guy was interviewing the Dolphins beat writer recently and the guy said that Ricky is heads and shoulders above Brown in terms of skill and talent. That despite the off the field issues that Ricky is a much better RB. Could that change? Sure, age will catch up to Ricky. But will Ronnie ever be as good as Ricky in his prime? Possibly, but the book is still out. Don't be surprised if Ricky is featured this year more than just a 3rd of the time. Next year will probably be different...

I agree with this. Ricky is 29 years old, which is getting up there. But considering he hasn't had a lot of wear and tear on his body the last couple of seasons he's still got lots left in the tank.When Ricky is on his game he's unstoppable, check out these stats from the end of 2005.Week 15 = 14 rushes 70 yards 1 td (5.0 avg)Week 16 = 26 rushes 172 yards 1 td (6.6 avg)Week 17 = 28 rushes 108 yards 1 td (3.9 avg)

 

[guderian]

Does it matter? Miami threw the ball 591 times last year and only ran it 402. That is a 59.5% pass ratio--despite the fact that Harrington was the leading passer for the team. If they get a more successful and balanced offense, Brown could still get +/- 18 carries (he averaged 18.5 last year) while RW gets +/- 10. Hopefully that will also result in more TDs for Brown. Williams will be 30 next year and despite missing time the past few years, he still has a lot of mileage considering the load he carried in college and early on in the pros. In fact, the consensus opinion on this board is that Jamal Lewis (27 years old, 1,982 career touches) is washed up and Ricky Williams will be 30 next year with 2,003 career NFL touches--and they both have a similar style.

Many consider Jamal Lewis washed up because he has played a lot since his 2000 yard season and looks washed up. Ricky Williams looked pretty solid down the stretch in the 2005 season when he last played in the NFL. Not all RB will break down at the same time (2000 touches in your example). Bottom line is Ricky still looked good when he last played and Lewis did not.

Of course 2000 touches isn't a magical barrier, but a lot of the big, bruising backs start to break down once they get in the range of 2k touches. In fact, RW was injured much of last year in Canada and played with little distinction up there. He'll be 30 next year with a ton of mileage and I don't think we're going to see the Ricky Williams of 2005 again.

 

[bigreese82]

I ask this same question about 8 months ago

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...=246983&hl=

 

[phthalatemagic]

How does a mediocre CFL running back cut into a young, starting NFL running back?

 

[Kit Fisto]

In fact, RW was injured much of last year in Canada and played with little distinction up there.

Broken arms don't effect the wheels.And while I'd love to own Ronnie Brown, and his career is just beginning, he has yet to sniff Ricky Williams' accomlishments.

 

[Fear & Loathing]

The same question can be asked in St. Loious if Faulk returns.

Faulk will 35 years old, his knees are shot, and he managed less than 300 yards rushing in his last season. Meanwhile, Steven Jackson just put up 2300+ total yardage & 16 TDs. I'm sure he has his fingers crossed...