Ronnie Brown Situation? (1 Viewer)

[AJ1]

Hey guys. Newbie to the forum, but am an avid reader of it.

What do you guys think of the RB situation in Maimi? I know that Cam is not getting a long with Ronnie at all and Chatman is taking some carries. Do you think they are going to run the ball more then they currently are? What do you think of the situation?

 

[Shrek]

I think I wish Cameron would have stayed in California.

 

[kncks12]

Hey guys. Newbie to the forum, but am an avid reader of it. What do you guys think of the RB situation in Maimi? I know that Cam is not getting a long with Ronnie at all and Chatman is taking some carries. Do you think they are going to run the ball more then they currently are? What do you think of the situation?

Plenty of threads on this. But, Cam is an idiot, Ronnie needs more work to be productive. Cam's head gets in way and he tries to outthink people when he is outthinking himself. This situation SUCKS!!If I were coach, I would run Ronnie 25 times again. Chatman would spell if needed, Chris Chambers and Booker would get plenty of looks to mix in pass, and with our tough D we would look to win games 17-14. But, until he realizes this, then the Dolphins will suck!

 

[sirpurr]

I have ronnie brown in one league and he is killing me. from what i have seen of their offense i don't think it will get any better. it is a sad situation that he could fall this far this fast.

 

[bentdent]

I think his situation stems more so from a bad team, bad offensive line lending to less leeway for error. He is a solid runner and decent receiver out of the backfield. He does better in a semiRBBC but the team has gotten worse in each of his 3 years. Look at Edgerren James last year with a bod O line, did he get that much worse from his Indy days the prior year? Brown will have some good games, but he won't be consistent, especially if the coach uses him as the reason the Dolphins suck!

 

[Guapote]

What's Brown's contract situation? I have him in a keeper league, and wondering if he's likely to be in a better situation next year.

 

[JHuber77]

Ricky Williams anyone? I know Cam just this guy!

 

[Banger]

I haven't liked the situation all off-season and still don't. New coach, new system, new old qb, bad line, average rb = disaster.

 

[gregjcross]

Cam hates Brown, the Dolphins have their heads up their respective arses for not improving the O-line in April/May. This situation is the absolute worst right now but you wont get anything trying to trade him.

I haven't liked the situation all off-season and still don't. New coach, new system, new old qb, bad line, average rb = disaster.

 

[Yitbos69]

What's Brown's contract situation? I have him in a keeper league, and wondering if he's likely to be in a better situation next year.

Brown is signed through 2010

 

[Tom Baker]

The Interview.

Mueller: So we've got this guy. We spent the second overall pick on him a couple of years ago. Real talented running back. Great receiver too. We'd like him to be the centerpiece of our offense. Can you tell us how you'd use him if you got the job?

Cam: Oh that guy. First thing I'd do is phase him out and replace him with an undrafted free agent career backup. Did I mention I'm a genius?

Mueller: You're hired!

 

[War Eagle]

The Interview.Mueller: So we've got this guy. We spent the second overall pick on him a couple of years ago. Real talented running back. Great receiver too. We'd like him to be the centerpiece of our offense. Can you tell us how you'd use him if you got the job?Cam: Oh that guy. First thing I'd do is phase him out and replace him with an undrafted free agent career backup. Did I mention I'm a genius?Mueller: You're hired!

 

[AJ1]

The Interview.Mueller: So we've got this guy. We spent the second overall pick on him a couple of years ago. Real talented running back. Great receiver too. We'd like him to be the centerpiece of our offense. Can you tell us how you'd use him if you got the job?Cam: Oh that guy. First thing I'd do is phase him out and replace him with an undrafted free agent career backup. Did I mention I'm a genius?Mueller: You're hired!

I am really just fed up with Miami. They NEED to run MORE!!! I don't know what Cam in thinking.

 

[tdoublebb]

Guy has coached 2 games, relax., give him a chance.

Maybe Brown's workload issues are just the case of him not being as talented as some believe.

 

[Banger]

The Interview.Mueller: So we've got this guy. We spent the second overall pick on him a couple of years ago. Real talented running back. Great receiver too. We'd like him to be the centerpiece of our offense. Can you tell us how you'd use him if you got the job?Cam: Oh that guy. First thing I'd do is phase him out and replace him with an undrafted free agent career backup. Did I mention I'm a genius?Mueller: You're hired!

I know it seems ridiculous that Chatman is even mentioned in the same sentence but that was in the preseason where Cam was trying to motivate Brown into elevating his game. So what has he done in the 1st two starts? 11-32, 11-33. Very yawn inspiring #'s and not indicative that Cam was/is nuts to try and push him harder. Chatman got 7 carries in game 1 and 3 in game 2, Chatman isn't the problem, Brown is.

 

[Tom Baker]

Chatman isn't the problem, Brown is.

Don't forget the four picks he threw. And the 37 points he gave up on defense at home. Yes, Ronnie Brown is definitely what's wrong with the Miami Dolphins . . .

 

[Real Man of Genius]

Being a Cowboys fan and a R. Brown owner, I watched the game very intently. Ronnie looks good when he runs the ball, but he gets hit at or behind the line on almost every carry. He makes something out of nothing occasionally, but there are no holes. Then the Dolphins totally abandoned the running game in the second half, when the game was still close. Trent Green is awful, BTW.

Chatman's only carries were draws on 3rd and long.

 

[War Eagle]

Being a Cowboys fan and a R. Brown owner, I watched the game very intently. Ronnie looks good when he runs the ball, but he gets hit at or behind the line on almost every carry. He makes something out of nothing occasionally, but there are no holes. Then the Dolphins totally abandoned the running game in the second half, when the game was still close. Trent Green is awful, BTW. Chatman's only carries were draws on 3rd and long.

Excellent post! This is EXACTLY what I saw. I even TIVO'd the game and watched it again. The problem with the Miami running game is:1. The O-Line2. Lack of chances for Ronnie (the game was close until they abandoned Ronnie and Ronnie lead the Miami TD charge)3. Play Calling (too cute with too little talent)

 

[Banger]

Chatman isn't the problem, Brown is.

Don't forget the four picks he threw. And the 37 points he gave up on defense at home. Yes, Ronnie Brown is definitely what's wrong with the Miami Dolphins . . .

at what point do people stop making excuses for him? Everyone knew or should have known that Green is done and was going to throw picks/take sacks, everyone knew that the Fins had one of the worst lines in the league, then they add a new coach with a new system...the warning signs were there and there were many warning about them in the offseason. The problem is expectations, many were hoping to draft him at RB20 and have him be a RB10. He was drafted at RB20 because he is an RB20.

 

[ChuckLiddell]

Being a Cowboys fan and a R. Brown owner, I watched the game very intently. Ronnie looks good when he runs the ball, but he gets hit at or behind the line on almost every carry. He makes something out of nothing occasionally, but there are no holes. Then the Dolphins totally abandoned the running game in the second half, when the game was still close. Trent Green is awful, BTW. Chatman's only carries were draws on 3rd and long.

This post is right on the money. The OL is doing pretty well in pass blocking, but is disgusting when it comes to run blocking. Jesse's numbers are misleading, as his carries were situational. Ronnie had something going early in the second half with at least 3 very strong runs, and then with the game still close, Cam decided to go Air-Coryell. We did learn that Trent is not Dan Fouts. Until they give him 20+ carries, Ronnie will be a pretty useless player - both for the Dolphins and for the fantasy football community.If Cam's plan is to give him 10-15 carries per game, he should trade him to Green Bay for a 1st round pick (if that is conceivable). As a Fins fan, I would much prefer to see him stay and be properly utilized, but if that is not gonna happen, then get some value for him before you destroy it completely.

 

[Synthesizer]

If a guy is averaging 3.0 ypc, why should the coach make him the "centerpiece" of the offense?

 

[ChuckLiddell]

If a guy is averaging 3.0 ypc, why should the coach make him the "centerpiece" of the offense?

Tell that to Norv Turner, Herm Edwards, and Scott Linehan.

 

[The Kansas Comet]

For those wanting to pile the blame on Brown, they really need to look at Cameron as well. After Booker scored to give the Dolphins the lead, Cameron called Green's number on 12 of the next 13 plays, resulting in 1 first down, 1 punt, 1 lost fumble, and two interceptions. Dallas scored after each of those possessions, scoring 20 points on drives totaling 93 yards. Maybe Cameron putting the game in the hands of Green wasn't such a smart move after all. Brown hasn't been outstanding, but his coach certainly isn't putting the offense (or the team, for that matter) in a position to succeed.

 

[munchkin]

The Interview.Mueller: So we've got this guy. We spent the second overall pick on him a couple of years ago. Real talented running back. Great receiver too. We'd like him to be the centerpiece of our offense. Can you tell us how you'd use him if you got the job?Cam: Oh that guy. First thing I'd do is phase him out and replace him with an undrafted free agent career backup. Did I mention I'm a genius?Mueller: You're hired!

I know it seems ridiculous that Chatman is even mentioned in the same sentence but that was in the preseason where Cam was trying to motivate Brown into elevating his game. So what has he done in the 1st two starts? 11-32, 11-33. Very yawn inspiring #'s and not indicative that Cam was/is nuts to try and push him harder. Chatman got 7 carries in game 1 and 3 in game 2, Chatman isn't the problem, Brown is.

You are leaving out the receiving yards. If Cam was being innovative in his use of Brown and pushed to see results over several games then we would have more to judge his performance by. As it stands we have seen minimal usage and sparse results. He looked pretty good in the 3rd qtr drive this year and he has had moments over the past two years where he looked pretty sharp. In the opening game against the Steelers last year he was reasonably productive against a good defense in a tough stadium. I don't think he is a stud but if used right he can be a top 15 running back.

 

[Cookiemonster]

If a guy is averaging 3.0 ypc, why should the coach make him the "centerpiece" of the offense?

Because nobody else can put up those gaudy #s in that offense. Most of us complaining are probably in keeper/dynasty leagues in which we spent a 1st or 2nd round pick on this guy, see his personal potential and are frustrated by how handcuffed he's been throughout his career. We are wondering what his contract wording is, to see if there is any realistic chance that he is due a large chunk of bonus in the next year or two to make Miami think twice about keeping him. If he's due a big roster bonus in '08, would that make a trade or outright release more likely? Could we see this guy in say Cleveland, Green Bay or Seattle in the near future, making him worth holding on to or trading for? Obviously, redraft, sucks for you. You can't get anything for him and he's not giving you what you need.

 

[Synthesizer]

If a guy is averaging 3.0 ypc, why should the coach make him the "centerpiece" of the offense?

Tell that to Norv Turner, Herm Edwards, and Scott Linehan.

R.Brown <> LT, LJ, or SJ

 

[ChuckLiddell]

If a guy is averaging 3.0 ypc, why should the coach make him the "centerpiece" of the offense?

Tell that to Norv Turner, Herm Edwards, and Scott Linehan.

R.Brown <> LT, LJ, or SJ

Who knows? He has never been in a situation even remotely resembling theirs. He has averaged 4.2 YPC in a horrible situation over his entire career though. He is clearly no LT and probably not as talented as the other 2, but if you switch situations with LJ or SJ I wonder which RB goes in the top 3 picks, and which one goes in the 3rd round. If you watch a Miami game, you will see why there is no way to compare Ronnie with anyone. None of these guys have had the horrible coaching, QB play, and OL that Ronnie has had to deal with for his entire pro career.On another subject, I stole this post from the Miami Herald forum. It is pretty interesting how much better Ronnie gets when he gets more carries. Someone needs to make sure Cam reads this.

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Here are some insightful facts from Ethan Skolnick;

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/footbal...,3805977.column

On his first five carries, Brown has averaged just 3.3 yards on 150 attempts. Long of 18 yards. Seven fumbles. Lost yardage on 28.7 percent of the runs. Double-digit gains on only 6.7 percent.

On carries six through 10, Brown has averaged 4.4 yards on 144 attempts. Long of 65 yards. No fumbles. Lost yardage on 14.6 percent of runs. Double-digit gains on 12.5 percent.

On carries 11 through 15, Brown has averaged 4.9 yards on 98 attempts. Long of 47 yards. No fumbles. Lost yardage on 18.4 percent of runs. Double-digit gains on 11.2 percent.

Now check his results from his 16th carry on.

He has averaged 4.8 yards on 78 attempts. Long of 58 yards. No fumbles. Lost yardage on 16.7 percent of runs. Double-digit gains on 10.3 percent.

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[Tom Baker]

If a guy is averaging 3.0 ypc, why should the coach make him the "centerpiece" of the offense?

Actually, he's averaged around 4.3 yards a carry the last two years, behind one of the worst lines in the league. But let's judge him solely on the 22 total carries he's had over two games this year. Every time he starts to get into a rhythm, the idiot coach pulls him. Pretty humorous listening to the Ronnie Brown haters on this board.

 

[Tom Baker]

On carries 11 through 15, Brown has averaged 4.9 yards on 98 attempts. Long of 47 yards. No fumbles. Lost yardage on 18.4 percent of runs. Double-digit gains on 11.2 percent.Now check his results from his 16th carry on.He has averaged 4.8 yards on 78 attempts. Long of 58 yards. No fumbles. Lost yardage on 16.7 percent of runs. Double-digit gains on 10.3 percent.**************************

Wow. Unfortunately, he may not get 12 carries in a game this year with Idiot Coach in charge . . .

 

[SigEp316]

I agree with a lot that's posted in here and am second guessing a lot of Cam's strategies myself. I don't think I've ever see a community like ours turn on a coach so fast....fantasy football gurus will be the first to tell you what's wrong in Miami. I think Ronnie Brown is a helluva player and can't see anyone really thriving in his current situation.

For those that drafted him in redraft leagues, you may be in for a long year. In Dynasty and Keeper situations I think Ronnie still holds value.

 

[Synthesizer]

If a guy is averaging 3.0 ypc, why should the coach make him the centerpiece of the offense?

Actually, he's averaged around 4.3 yards a carry the last two years, behind one of the worst lines in the league. But let's judge him solely on the 22 total carries he's had over two games this year. Every time he starts to get into a rhythm, the idiot coach pulls him. Pretty humorous listening to the Ronnie Brown haters on this board.

Nice try, but my assessment of his rushing skills goes way back..... here and here. If you read through the threads, you'll see that people were throwing the word "hater" around back then too. Oh well. A year from now we'll probably have this same conversation...... it's the coaches fault, it's the o-line fault, etc. Reminds me of the excuses I heard with Joey Harrington.

 

[munchkin]

I agree with a lot that's posted in here and am second guessing a lot of Cam's strategies myself. I don't think I've ever see a community like ours turn on a coach so fast....fantasy football gurus will be the first to tell you what's wrong in Miami. I think Ronnie Brown is a helluva player and can't see anyone really thriving in his current situation.For those that drafted him in redraft leagues, you may be in for a long year. In Dynasty and Keeper situations I think Ronnie still holds value.

In my dynasty league Brown is looked upon as having little value. Of course that is because I own him Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Before the season started Moss was looking pretty ugly, now most FF players can't take their eyes off him. Brown owners can not afford to give up on him yet. Who do you drop him for? Who are the big producers out of the last couple of rookie drafts? Addai, Gore, Caddy for 3/4 of his first year; Maroney has shown a little bit, nada on D Williams, L White is showing a little something, Benson (?). In short in Dynasty you have to be patient.

 

[Tom Baker]

If a guy is averaging 3.0 ypc, why should the coach make him the centerpiece of the offense?

Actually, he's averaged around 4.3 yards a carry the last two years, behind one of the worst lines in the league. But let's judge him solely on the 22 total carries he's had over two games this year. Every time he starts to get into a rhythm, the idiot coach pulls him. Pretty humorous listening to the Ronnie Brown haters on this board.

Nice try, but my assessment of his rushing skills goes way back..... here and here. If you read through the threads, you'll see that people were throwing the word "hater" around back then too. Oh well. A year from now we'll probably have this same conversation...... it's the coaches fault, it's the o-line fault, etc. Reminds me of the excuses I heard with Joey Harrington.

I really don't care how long you've disliked Ronnie Brown. It has no relevance to this thread and hardly serves as a valid rebuttal to the facts.

 

[avoiding injuries]

Positive news Brown owners... The Dolphins are 0-2, and what they have been trying to do is obviously not working. Not even close. What could they possibly change?

Throw it more? No

More INT's? Hard to do

How about establish, or at least try to establish the run? Could work. Could open the passing game up a little too.

Get an RB enough carries to get into a rhythm? Makes too much sense, but even Cam may have no other choice at this time.

Pressure has to mounting a little and these shananigans aren't making anyone happy. I think if Cam was losing while using the players he had, he would get a longer pass. But to look as bad as they do and to not use your best offensive weapon will get you in hot water fast(like 0-2).

 

[Gr00vus]

Ronnie Brown is an o.k. running back on a bad offense.

I think Cameron knows he doesn't have the talent on offense to be competitive and he's trying some different things, getting a system in place for the long haul. I don't think he's kidding himself about the Dolphins' prospects for this year - they're not good regardless of how many carries Ronnie Brown gets. Trent Green is a placeholder/punching bag/sacrifice while Beck gets ready. The offensive line stinks and needs some new players and time to become effective. I don't think Booker or Chambers are in the long term plans at this point either, obviously one of them is on borrowed time until Ginn is ready to be the guy, but that remains to be seen. Maybe Cameron is saving Brown from taking an unnecessary beating while the team rounds into shape and adjusts to the new system and coaches. Maybe Cameron thinks Brown just isn't that great. He might be right about that.

I find it hilarious that the poor Ronnie Brown FF owners are already calling for Cameron's head when he hasn't even had a chance to get his players and his systems in place - he's still dealing with half a decades worth of coaching changes and panic moves left over from previous bad decisions. You can't judge the guy after two games, and possibly even after two seasons when working with a team that's in full rebuilding mode. I know Cameron has NOT been a good HC in the past, so maybe he will be a failure, but you can't call it this soon.

Ronnie Brown is a match up FF running back now, not a lineup fixture, nothing more.

 

[DoctorFantasy]

I am not sure why Miami doesn't give Lorenzo Booker a few looks on the offense. Miami thought high enough of him to draft him at pick #71 overall (7th pick of the 3rd round) in the 2007 draft. He is not a workhorse back, but he should be given a few carries to see what he can do. At minimum, he should be getting some looks on 3rd down - especially in the passing game. I just don't understand how Miami can draft a RB so early, but deactivate him every game. I recall Booker had a solid combine and was a solid situational player at FSU. Has he regressed or not picked up the offense? Why not give him some looks?

 

[Tom Baker]

I find it hilarious that the poor Ronnie Brown FF owners are already calling for Cameron's head when he hasn't even had a chance to get his players and his systems in place - he's still dealing with half a decades worth of coaching changes and panic moves left over from previous bad decisions. You can't judge the guy after two games, and possibly even after two seasons when working with a team that's in full rebuilding mode.

What's hilarious is when people suggest that this coach is above criticism. The Washington game was a very close, winnable game, and the stud running back didn't get twenty touches. That's inexcusable. And if they don't like Brown, think he's no good, or want to replace him, then why not trade him now, while he still has some market value. Then Cam can turn Chatman into the stud that only Cam knows he is. By the way, I'm not calling for anyone's head. I'm not a Dolphins fan and don't really care what Cameron is allowed to do to that team. I have mild interest in Ronnie Brown, because I own him in a dynasty league, but he's the fourth back on my team, may not even start for me the rest of the year, even on bye weeks, and, if necessary, I'll toss him overboard at the end of the year without thinking twice about it.

 

[Gr00vus]

What's hilarious is when people suggest that this coach is above criticism.

I didn't say that. I said it's ridiculous to overreact after two games because he's not giving the ball to precious Ronnie Brown and the team isn't doing well immediately.

The Washington game was a very close, winnable game, and the stud running back didn't get twenty touches. That's inexcusable. And if they don't like Brown, think he's no good, or want to replace him, then why not trade him now, while he still has some market value.

This just in, Ronnie Brown isn't a stud running back. He's average. Once people accept this Cameron's actions make a lot more sense. And please name me what teams would be in the market for Ronnie Brown, what they'd be willing to give up and how it would help the Dolphins.

Then Cam can turn Chatman into the stud that only Cam knows he is.

Silliness. Cameron doesn't think Chatman is a stud, he's just a guy Cameron had some success with in the past that already knows the system Cameron runs. Using him is a no brainer.As for Lorenzo, maybe he's just not up to speed and/or isn't blocking well enough to function yet.

The mistake people made was thinking Cameron would immediately turn the Dolphins offense into the Chargers 2006 offense and turn Brown into LaDainian Tomlinson. The truth is (and I think Cameron is working with this well in the forefront of his thinking) you can't make chicken salad out of chicken ####, and the Dolphins' roster contains plenty of chicken #### as a result of several years of aimless, failed previous regimes.

But yeah, the fact that Ronnie Brown hasn't broken out yet is all the fault of the coaches - again.

 

[ChuckLiddell]

What's hilarious is when people suggest that this coach is above criticism.

I didn't say that. I said it's ridiculous to overreact after two games because he's not giving the ball to precious Ronnie Brown and the team isn't doing well immediately.

The Washington game was a very close, winnable game, and the stud running back didn't get twenty touches. That's inexcusable. And if they don't like Brown, think he's no good, or want to replace him, then why not trade him now, while he still has some market value.

This just in, Ronnie Brown isn't a stud running back. He's average. Once people accept this Cameron's actions make a lot more sense. And please name me what teams would be in the market for Ronnie Brown, what they'd be willing to give up and how it would help the Dolphins.

Then Cam can turn Chatman into the stud that only Cam knows he is.

Silliness. Cameron doesn't think Chatman is a stud, he's just a guy Cameron had some success with in the past that already knows the system Cameron runs. Using him is a no brainer.As for Lorenzo, maybe he's just not up to speed and/or isn't blocking well enough to function yet.

The mistake people made was thinking Cameron would immediately turn the Dolphins offense into the Chargers 2006 offense and turn Brown into LaDainian Tomlinson. The truth is (and I think Cameron is working with this well in the forefront of his thinking) you can't make chicken salad out of chicken ####, and the Dolphins' roster contains plenty of chicken #### as a result of several years of aimless, failed previous regimes.

But yeah, the fact that Ronnie Brown hasn't broken out yet is all the fault of the coaches - again.

I have to think that Ronnie represents a significant upgrade to DeShaun Wynn, Vernand Morency, and Brandon Jackson. Ronnie may be Brett Favre's ticket to making his final season a playoff season. They guy had 1300 total yards in 13 games with a pathetic team last year. He may not be the chicken #### that you make him out to be. I would think that Green Bay might be willing to give up a first round pick for him. I could be way out there, but I think it is a good marriage.

 

[Gr00vus]

I have to think that Ronnie represents a significant upgrade to DeShaun Wynn, Vernand Morency, and Brandon Jackson. Ronnie may be Brett Favre's ticket to making his final season a playoff season. They guy had 1300 total yards in 13 games with a pathetic team last year. He may not be the chicken #### that you make him out to be. I would think that Green Bay might be willing to give up a first round pick for him. I could be way out there, but I think it is a good marriage.

The Packers wouldn't deal for Michael Turner, I don't see any way they give up a #1 pick for Ronnie Brown. By the way I'm not calling Brown chicken ####. He's just average. There are plenty of other players on the Dolphins that are in fact down right lousy. Let's take the offensive line for instance. It's bad, really bad. I keep seeing people complain that Ronnie hasn't gotten a fair shot, or hasn't done better because he's got no room to run, often times he's met in the backfield because the offensive line can't block.Now riddle me this. If you're the head coach, you probably can see that too, just like us fans. So being the head coach, is continuing to run, feeding precious Ronnie Brown at all costs, the thing to do? Or do you try something else since you know that's not working?It's a tough one, I know, so take your time....

 

[Tom Baker]

What's hilarious is when people suggest that this coach is above criticism.

I didn't say that. I said it's ridiculous to overreact after two games because he's not giving the ball to precious Ronnie Brown and the team isn't doing well immediately.

Actually, you suggested that people should reserve judgement on Cameron for two years. Go back and read it again, since apparently you don't remember what you wrote less than an hour ago. As for whether or not Ronnie Brown is or could be a "stud," it seems that question will never be given a definitive answer.

 

[moderated]

Ronnie Brown = average RB in a horrible offense.

That is a recipe for disaster.

 

[ChuckLiddell]

I have to think that Ronnie represents a significant upgrade to DeShaun Wynn, Vernand Morency, and Brandon Jackson. Ronnie may be Brett Favre's ticket to making his final season a playoff season. They guy had 1300 total yards in 13 games with a pathetic team last year. He may not be the chicken #### that you make him out to be. I would think that Green Bay might be willing to give up a first round pick for him. I could be way out there, but I think it is a good marriage.

The Packers wouldn't deal for Michael Turner, I don't see any way they give up a #1 pick for Ronnie Brown. By the way I'm not calling Brown chicken ####. He's just average. There are plenty of other players on the Dolphins that are in fact down right lousy. Let's take the offensive line for instance. It's bad, really bad. I keep seeing people complain that Ronnie hasn't gotten a fair shot, or hasn't done better because he's got no room to run, often times he's met in the backfield because the offensive line can't block.Now riddle me this. If you're the head coach, you probably can see that too, just like us fans. So being the head coach, is continuing to run, feeding precious Ronnie Brown at all costs, the thing to do? Or do you try something else since you know that's not working?It's a tough one, I know, so take your time....

The passing game isnt exactly working either. I would get the ball in the hands of my best weapon. If that is Ronnie, then I am getting it to him.Didnt SD want 2 first round picks for Turner? And - is Michael Turner a more valuable commodity than Ronnie Brown? Am I blinded by my homerism? What has Michael Turner proven in the NFL that makes him a more valuable commodity than Ronnie Brown? As a Fins fan, I would be pissed off if we traded Ronnie for Turner straight up. Am I crazy here?

 

[Tom Baker]

Now riddle me this. If you're the head coach, you probably can see that too, just like us fans. So being the head coach, is continuing to run, feeding precious Ronnie Brown at all costs, the thing to do? Or do you try something else since you know that's not working?It's a tough one, I know, so take your time....

Something else? You mean like throwing four picks? Read the article that was excerpted above in Post #27 and maybe you'll find a semblance of an answer to your question . . .

 

[Gr00vus]

What's hilarious is when people suggest that this coach is above criticism.

I didn't say that. I said it's ridiculous to overreact after two games because he's not giving the ball to precious Ronnie Brown and the team isn't doing well immediately.

Actually, you suggested that people should reserve judgement on Cameron for two years. Go back and read it again, since apparently you don't remember what you wrote less than an hour ago.

I know what I wrote thanks. The two things are not incongruous. Do you really think Cameron has had enough time to prove himself a bad NFL HC after two games? It takes a couple of years for a coach to get his system and his players in place (at least). It's inadvisable to start making long term decisions about his success or failure in this job prior to that point in most cases.

 

[Gr00vus]

I have to think that Ronnie represents a significant upgrade to DeShaun Wynn, Vernand Morency, and Brandon Jackson. Ronnie may be Brett Favre's ticket to making his final season a playoff season. They guy had 1300 total yards in 13 games with a pathetic team last year. He may not be the chicken #### that you make him out to be. I would think that Green Bay might be willing to give up a first round pick for him. I could be way out there, but I think it is a good marriage.

The Packers wouldn't deal for Michael Turner, I don't see any way they give up a #1 pick for Ronnie Brown. By the way I'm not calling Brown chicken ####. He's just average. There are plenty of other players on the Dolphins that are in fact down right lousy. Let's take the offensive line for instance. It's bad, really bad. I keep seeing people complain that Ronnie hasn't gotten a fair shot, or hasn't done better because he's got no room to run, often times he's met in the backfield because the offensive line can't block.Now riddle me this. If you're the head coach, you probably can see that too, just like us fans. So being the head coach, is continuing to run, feeding precious Ronnie Brown at all costs, the thing to do? Or do you try something else since you know that's not working?It's a tough one, I know, so take your time....

The passing game isnt exactly working either. I would get the ball in the hands of my best weapon. If that is Ronnie, then I am getting it to him.Didnt SD want 2 first round picks for Turner? And - is Michael Turner a more valuable commodity than Ronnie Brown? Am I blinded by my homerism? What has Michael Turner proven in the NFL that makes him a more valuable commodity than Ronnie Brown? As a Fins fan, I would be pissed off if we traded Ronnie for Turner straight up. Am I crazy here?

Yeah, Trent's been pretty bad. So now Cameron probably has an idea that that isn't working so well either. Maybe he'll make another adjustment? Nah, couldn't be.As for the rest, I think you (and a few others here) have an over inflated opinion of Brown. Maybe he isn't the best weapon? Maybe Cameron thinks Chambers and Booker deserve more touches? As for a trade, I don't know if Turner will prove to be better. But to me he looks like a better running back than Ronnie Brown. And SD was basically looking for a 1st and a 3rd, or something like that. They knew it was not going to happen because running backs hardly, if ever, get traded for first round picks. In addition, I think you may want to take a look at the GB offensive line, it's not doing much better than Miami's in the run blocking department. I don't know that that would be such an upgrade from Brown's current situation.

 

[twitch]

For those wanting to pile the blame on Brown, they really need to look at Cameron as well. After Booker scored to give the Dolphins the lead, Cameron called Green's number on 12 of the next 13 plays, resulting in 1 first down, 1 punt, 1 lost fumble, and two interceptions. Dallas scored after each of those possessions, scoring 20 points on drives totaling 93 yards. Maybe Cameron putting the game in the hands of Green wasn't such a smart move after all. Brown hasn't been outstanding, but his coach certainly isn't putting the offense (or the team, for that matter) in a position to succeed.

Pretty much sums up wk 2 for me. 12 out of 13 TRENT GREEN passes??? 20 Dallas Cowboys points?? Youve got to be kidding me. The coaching/playcalling in this instance was idiotic. Plain and simple.

 

[Traders2001]

I think I wish Cameron would have stayed in California.

The problem is nt Brown or the Phins running game . Tehy have big concern at OL but the biggest problem is Cameron's power trip attitude ( He is totally worthless and is just ruining Brown s confidence " Sorry i am french dunno if confidence is a good word " by fking around like he does ) give him the rock 20 - 25 times and see what happens .

 

[ooofffaaa]

Being a Cowboys fan and a R. Brown owner, I watched the game very intently. Ronnie looks good when he runs the ball, but he gets hit at or behind the line on almost every carry. He makes something out of nothing occasionally, but there are no holes. Then the Dolphins totally abandoned the running game in the second half, when the game was still close. Trent Green is awful, BTW. Chatman's only carries were draws on 3rd and long.

This sums it up perfectly.

 

[Ilov80s]

Cameron is a bad coach. Brown is no Dickerson, but wow- Cameron is awaful.