Ronnie Brown: This Year's Kevin Jones? (or Kevan Barlow)? (1 Viewer)

[broadcaster]

I pick 7th in a 10-team redraft league. First 5 picks look to be LJ/LT/Alexander/Tiki/SJax.

My top two choices here would be Rudi Johnson and Ronnie Brown. I think that all in all, I'd rather have Rudi, but if Rudi goes at #6, is Ronnie the guy to take at #7? I'm not trying to turn this into an AC post, but I'd really like to hear some pros and cons about Ronnie Brown. I do like his potential, and the Dolphins look like a strong team, but when I read someone else's message about Ronnie being in the same exact kind of position as KJones and Barlow (i.e., did okay in limited role, now gets full-time gig), it made me think.

Also, if not Ronnie Brown, then who? Jordan? - that would be a tough call. Portis? - lots of risk, especially now that Duckett's on board.

If anyone has anything postive or negative to say about Ronnie Brown, I'd love to hear it.

Thanks!

 

[jurb26]

Portis.

 

[mightyeskimo]

I wouldn't have a problem taking Brown in that spot if you want to go risk/high reward. I think LaMont Jordan would be a better pick, especially if it's ppr.

 

[OneEastRiver]

This ones easy. Just click the following link, and while you are watching keep in mind the following few things:

1) His number of carries will increase by at least 50%

2) His number of receptions should increase as well

3) He has a QB that can move the chains, and give him more redzone touches (think many more TDs)

4) His schedule looks promising againts some weak D's.

5) He is big.

6) He is fast.

Enjoy... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiPabKEw0bU

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

sorry, at first glance this looked like a thread that belonged in the ACF.

But, starting up a discussion on Ronnie Brown vs the other RBs in that tier is probably useful to people here so I opened it back up.

Here's some earlier threads that focused on Ronnie: http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...te=Ronnie+Brown

 

[Gr00vus]

when I read someone else's message about Ronnie being in the same exact kind of position as KJones and Barlow

Simple - he's not in that kind of situation at all.His offensive line will be better than what they had to run behind, and if Houck works his usual magic could be one of the best performing lines by year's end. He's not playing for a team that's in rebuilding mode. He's not playing for a team that's got a poor defense, so his team won't be relegated to desperation, non-running, catch up mode by the second quarter of games. His coach is actually building a team and making positive decisions instead of playing out the string on a franchise someone else built. His coach also seems to know how to utilize his talents correctly instead of trying to force him to be the type of back they need for their "system." He may have a better qb in front of him than either of those two did (of course it's a wash if Harrington starts). The situations aren't similar at all.I think Brown could end up as RB #4 at years end, but he is riskier than a Rudi Johnson. You have to figure out what level of risk you can stand and go from there.ETA: I'd rather have Brown than Portis or Jordan this year.

 

[gregjcross]

This ones easy. Just click the following link, and while you are watching keep in mind the following few things:

1) His number of carries will increase by at least 50%

2) His number of receptions should increase as well

3) He has a QB that can move the chains, and give him more redzone touches (think many more TDs)

4) His schedule looks promising againts some weak D's.

5) He is big.

6) He is fast.

Enjoy... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiPabKEw0bU

I am all in on Ronnie in a dynasty league because of two wordsNICK SABAN

its all i have needed to know since day 1 that he was there. does that put ronnie in the HOF? no. does it make hiim a pretty good bet as their featured ball carrier? I think so. He Caddy and SJAX look pretty solid to me.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

biggest negative for Ronnie Brown, IMO is that Mike Mularkey will be his new offensive coordinator.

Mularkey took over playcalling duties in Buffalo early last season and nearly crippled McGahee's fantasy value.

just something to keep in mind.

 

[rascal]

This ones easy. Just click the following link, and while you are watching keep in mind the following few things:

1) His number of carries will increase by at least 50%

2) His number of receptions should increase as well

3) He has a QB that can move the chains, and give him more redzone touches (think many more TDs)

4) His schedule looks promising againts some weak D's.

5) He is big.

6) He is fast.

Enjoy... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiPabKEw0bU

You have pretty much all of that right except for #6. He is not fast. I would add that he breaks tackles frequently and is a horse to bring down.

 

[clinton_c]

My gut tells me R.Brown is in for a big year...(hope its not the burrito I ate)

too bad I will never be able to pry him away from his owner....

 

[brakeyawself]

This ones easy. Just click the following link, and while you are watching keep in mind the following few things:

1) His number of carries will increase by at least 50%

2) His number of receptions should increase as well

3) He has a QB that can move the chains, and give him more redzone touches (think many more TDs)

4) His schedule looks promising againts some weak D's.

5) He is big.

6) He is fast.

Enjoy... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiPabKEw0bU

That video worries me. When I saw him hurdle that defender I thought "Oh man, this guys got terrible field vision." And then when he carried those 4 guys on his back I thought "Man, his instincts arnt very good."

Crossing my fingers.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

6) He is fast.

You have pretty much all of that right except for #6. He is not fast.

he ran a 4.45 40http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/8400413

 

[Armando]

Wouldn't be shocked if he finished the year as the #1 RB with that schedule. Will be gold in dynasty leagues.

He's in my top 5 dynasty backs.

 

[rascal]

6) He is fast.

You have pretty much all of that right except for #6. He is not fast.

he ran a 4.45 40http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/8400413

Well either a) their stop watch is broken, or b) he had a 20 mph tail wind because he was caught from behind frequently last year and at Auburn.

 

[Clark Griswold]

This ones easy. Just click the following link, and while you are watching keep in mind the following few things:

1) His number of carries will increase by at least 50%

2) His number of receptions should increase as well

3) He has a QB that can move the chains, and give him more redzone touches (think many more TDs)

4) His schedule looks promising againts some weak D's.

5) He is big.

6) He is fast.

Enjoy... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiPabKEw0bU

You have pretty much all of that right except for #6. He is not fast. I would add that he breaks tackles frequently and is a horse to bring down.

Campus: 4.4 in the 40-yard dash … 330-pound bench press … 365-pound power clean … 32½-inch vertical jump … 9-foot-7 broad jump … 4.18 20-yard shuttle … Left-handed. Combine: 4.43 in the 40-yard dash … 2.57 20-yard dash … 1.54 10-yard dash … 4.08 20-yard shuttle … 7.10 three-cone drill … 34-inch vertical jump … 9-foot-9 broad jump … Bench pressed 225 pounds 18 times … 31 5/8-inch arm length … 9 5/8-inch hands. I'd say that's fast enough.

 

[rascal]

Have you actually seen him play? I watched him a lot last year because I had him in two leagues. If not just take a look at the youtube video and you see a glipse of what I mean.

 

[broadcaster]

6) He is fast.

You have pretty much all of that right except for #6. He is not fast.

he ran a 4.45 40http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/8400413

Thanks, Aaron - I was trying hard not to make my post one for the ACF. The volume of response shows that there's a lot of interest in what Ronnie Brown is going to do.My thought based on seeing a lot of Dolphins games is that he really could be the real deal. Plus, it's not like he has some stud behind him competing for time. Plus again the Dolphins look very strong this year. Daunte may really be back, they have some great pass-catchers, and a really strong head coach.

Again, I still may lean toward Rudi if he's available (I did get smoked last season by taking KJones too soon), but I'm liking what I'm hearing about Ronnie Brown.

 

[V1LL]

This ones easy. Just click the following link, and while you are watching keep in mind the following few things:

1) His number of carries will increase by at least 50%

2) His number of receptions should increase as well

3) He has a QB that can move the chains, and give him more redzone touches (think many more TDs)

4) His schedule looks promising againts some weak D's.

5) He is big.

6) He is fast.

Enjoy... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiPabKEw0bU

You have pretty much all of that right except for #6. He is not fast. I would add that he breaks tackles frequently and is a horse to bring down.

He's not fast???? he ran a 4.43 what's fast to you?

 

[intrinsic]

Enjoy... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiPabKEw0bU

not that you couldnt put a hot clip of almost any backs greatest runs together, but i dont get to see many Dolphins games and i have to say that clip makes me like him a little more for the effort he puts into his runs. Watching him run over and through would be tacklers is pretty exciting.Thanks for sharing

 

[Gr00vus]

I'd take Rudi over Brown (in fact I did in one draft) in non-ppr leagues. Rudi's got the more extensive track record, and he's on the better offense. If it's a PPR league it's an even tougher choice though as I think Brown will have an appreciable edge there.

 

[mektarus]

I'd go with Rudi this year, but next year I could see Brown breaking into the top 3 rb's in the league. The kids got all the right stuff and is in a great situation.

 

[brakeyawself]

This ones easy. Just click the following link, and while you are watching keep in mind the following few things:

1) His number of carries will increase by at least 50%

2) His number of receptions should increase as well

3) He has a QB that can move the chains, and give him more redzone touches (think many more TDs)

4) His schedule looks promising againts some weak D's.

5) He is big.

6) He is fast.

Enjoy... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiPabKEw0bU

You have pretty much all of that right except for #6. He is not fast. I would add that he breaks tackles frequently and is a horse to bring down.

He's not fast???? he ran a 4.43 what's fast to you?

He's 232 pounds. At that weight he's nearly a speed deamon.

 

[NY/NJMFDIVER]

biggest negative for Ronnie Brown, IMO is that Mike Mularkey will be his new offensive coordinator.Mularkey took over playcalling duties in Buffalo early last season and nearly crippled McGahee's fantasy value.just something to keep in mind.

Well, he also didn't have CPep in Buffalo

 

[jurb26]

biggest negative for Ronnie Brown, IMO is that Mike Mularkey will be his new offensive coordinator.Mularkey took over playcalling duties in Buffalo early last season and nearly crippled McGahee's fantasy value.just something to keep in mind.

Well, he also didn't have CPep in Buffalo

Or Chambers, McMike and an Oline.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

biggest negative for Ronnie Brown, IMO is that Mike Mularkey will be his new offensive coordinator.Mularkey took over playcalling duties in Buffalo early last season and nearly crippled McGahee's fantasy value.just something to keep in mind.

Well, he also didn't have CPep in Buffalo

that's not necessarily a good thing.Mularkey loves to call QB sneaks and play action passes to the fullback from the 1 yard line instead of letting his 230 pound RB blast it up the middle for an easy 6.

 

[NY/NJMFDIVER]

I'm not insanely crazy about Ronnie, but Saban pretty much squashes any fears, I do have great faith in him.

Last night, I went with Ronnie over Rudi and Steven Jackson. Mostly based on how good CPep looks, I think the Miami O will light the lamps this year and Ronnie will be a huge factor and beneficiary.

 

[broadcaster]

biggest negative for Ronnie Brown, IMO is that Mike Mularkey will be his new offensive coordinator.Mularkey took over playcalling duties in Buffalo early last season and nearly crippled McGahee's fantasy value.just something to keep in mind.

Well, he also didn't have CPep in Buffalo

Or Chambers, McMike and an Oline.

Thanks for all of the feedback! This is what makes this forum so great.I'm suddenly feeling a lot better about picking at #7.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

biggest negative for Ronnie Brown, IMO is that Mike Mularkey will be his new offensive coordinator.Mularkey took over playcalling duties in Buffalo early last season and nearly crippled McGahee's fantasy value.just something to keep in mind.

Well, he also didn't have CPep in Buffalo

Or Chambers, McMike and an Oline.

the Dolphins have an O-line?also, Lee Evans & Eric Moulds > Chris Chambers and Marty Booker.

 

[Gr00vus]

biggest negative for Ronnie Brown, IMO is that Mike Mularkey will be his new offensive coordinator.Mularkey took over playcalling duties in Buffalo early last season and nearly crippled McGahee's fantasy value.just something to keep in mind.

Well, he also didn't have CPep in Buffalo

Or Chambers, McMike and an Oline.

He did have about the 29th ranked defense that he had to try and keep off the field for as long as possible. That can't exactly have given him tons of latitude either.

 

[OneEastRiver]

I'd go with Rudi this year, but next year I could see Brown breaking into the top 3 rb's in the league. The kids got all the right stuff and is in a great situation.

The question then becomes: Are you the type of owner that wants to wait to see him post his Top 3 or Top 5 year before drafting him? Or do you get him this year at a decent price (7-10 overall) for top 5 potential?I don't have him in any leagues yet....but I'm drafting from the 3rd slot in a league next week. Debating trading down, if I can get an extra early round pick in exchange for a middle round pick. I'm torn.

 

[jurb26]

also, Lee Evans & Eric Moulds > Chris Chambers and Marty Booker.

No way. I love Evans as much as the next guy and have been calling him the S.Moss of this year. Chambers is simply better. Not even a contest IMO. Moulds is washed up. Booker is certainly better than him now. While Mia may not have a stud Oline, its a good bit better than the pond scum Buf throws on the field.

 

[PilesOfSand]

Have you actually seen him play? I watched him a lot last year because I had him in two leagues. If not just take a look at the youtube video and you see a glipse of what I mean.

I agree, the YouTube video was also uninspiring. I realize that he's only had like 250-300 touches but there should have been some better moves and more speed in those highlights.

 

[OneEastRiver]

Have you actually seen him play? I watched him a lot last year because I had him in two leagues. If not just take a look at the youtube video and you see a glipse of what I mean.

I agree, the YouTube video was also uninspiring. I realize that he's only had like 250-300 touches but there should have been some better moves and more speed in those highlights.

 

[jurb26]

Have you actually seen him play? I watched him a lot last year because I had him in two leagues. If not just take a look at the youtube video and you see a glipse of what I mean.

I agree, the YouTube video was also uninspiring. I realize that he's only had like 250-300 touches but there should have been some better moves and more speed in those highlights.

I think you "realize" too much. He had less than 240 touches last year. If he had the amount you are talking about I highly doubt anyone questions him at the 7 pick right now.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

also, Lee Evans & Eric Moulds > Chris Chambers and Marty Booker.

No way. I love Evans as much as the next guy and have been calling him the S.Moss of this year. Chambers is simply better. Not even a contest IMO. Moulds is washed up. Booker is certainly better than him now. While Mia may not have a stud Oline, its a good bit better than the pond scum Buf throws on the field.

I'd probably rank them:1)Chambers2)Evans3)Moulds4)Booker at Booker being better than Moulds though. good stuff.

 

[jurb26]

also, Lee Evans & Eric Moulds > Chris Chambers and Marty Booker.

No way. I love Evans as much as the next guy and have been calling him the S.Moss of this year. Chambers is simply better. Not even a contest IMO. Moulds is washed up. Booker is certainly better than him now. While Mia may not have a stud Oline, its a good bit better than the pond scum Buf throws on the field.

I'd probably rank them:1)Chambers2)Evans3)Moulds4)Booker at Booker being better than Moulds though. good stuff.

Moulds is grossly overrated.

 

[NY/NJMFDIVER]

biggest negative for Ronnie Brown, IMO is that Mike Mularkey will be his new offensive coordinator.Mularkey took over playcalling duties in Buffalo early last season and nearly crippled McGahee's fantasy value.just something to keep in mind.

Well, he also didn't have CPep in Buffalo

that's not necessarily a good thing.Mularkey loves to call QB sneaks and play action passes to the fullback from the 1 yard line instead of letting his 230 pound RB blast it up the middle for an easy 6.

This is true, but would anyone on Buffalo's offense even start on Miami this year? Maybe Evans? I dont' think Mularkey is in and of himself poison.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Moulds is grossly overrated.

I disagree, but don't want to hijack this thread anymore.I like Ronnie Brown. Like I said though, I consider Mularkey at OC a negative for him. Hopefully, for Brown owners, Saban will keep him in check and not let him get carried away with calling trick plays when a simple run up the gut will work.Dolphins offense certainly looks like it could be in for a big year, and Houck should get the O-line to play well.

 

[PilesOfSand]

Have you actually seen him play? I watched him a lot last year because I had him in two leagues. If not just take a look at the youtube video and you see a glipse of what I mean.

I agree, the YouTube video was also uninspiring. I realize that he's only had like 250-300 touches but there should have been some better moves and more speed in those highlights.

I think you "realize" too much. He had less than 240 touches last year. If he had the amount you are talking about I highly doubt anyone questions him at the 7 pick right now.

Sorry, he had 239. I don't think that many people are questioning whether or not he can handle 50 more touches. I'm sure he can but his numbers are not going to be that great. 1500 yds and 8-10 TDs is not great for a 7th pick.

 

[Armando]

Have you actually seen him play? I watched him a lot last year because I had him in two leagues. If not just take a look at the youtube video and you see a glipse of what I mean.

I agree, the YouTube video was also uninspiring. I realize that he's only had like 250-300 touches but there should have been some better moves and more speed in those highlights.

Oh Jesus. Unreal.

 

[jurb26]

Sorry, he had 239. I don't think that many people are questioning whether or not he can handle 50 more touches. I'm sure he can but his numbers are not going to be that great. 1500 yds and 8-10 TDs is not great for a 7th pick.

I couldn't dissagree more. I'll take 1500/10 out of my 7th overall pick all day everyday.

 

[#@%&$!?]

biggest negative for Ronnie Brown, IMO is that Mike Mularkey will be his new offensive coordinator.Mularkey took over playcalling duties in Buffalo early last season and nearly crippled McGahee's fantasy value.just something to keep in mind.

How did Mularkey cirpple McGahee's fantasy value? McGahee pounded the ball 325 times. It was the 3.8 ypc that hurt. I know you mentioned Mularkey's tendancy to use other options than the rb at the goal line, but is that partly because of the poor buffalo O line?

 

[Armando]

Have you actually seen him play? I watched him a lot last year because I had him in two leagues. If not just take a look at the youtube video and you see a glipse of what I mean.

I agree, the YouTube video was also uninspiring. I realize that he's only had like 250-300 touches but there should have been some better moves and more speed in those highlights.

I think you "realize" too much. He had less than 240 touches last year. If he had the amount you are talking about I highly doubt anyone questions him at the 7 pick right now.

1500 yds and 8-10 TDs is not great for a 7th pick.

Sure buddy. Considering he'll catch 40+ balls in addition, I'm most will be satisfied with that.

 

[phowler13]

biggest negative for Ronnie Brown, IMO is that Mike Mularkey will be his new offensive coordinator.Mularkey took over playcalling duties in Buffalo early last season and nearly crippled McGahee's fantasy value.just something to keep in mind.

Well, he also didn't have CPep in Buffalo

Or Chambers, McMike and an Oline.

the Dolphins have an O-line?also, Lee Evans & Eric Moulds > Chris Chambers and Marty Booker.

from a guy with a sabres avatar

 

[Gr00vus]

Sorry, he had 239. I don't think that many people are questioning whether or not he can handle 50 more touches. I'm sure he can but his numbers are not going to be that great. 1500 yds and 8-10 TDs is not great for a 7th pick.

I couldn't dissagree more. I'll take 1500/10 out of my 7th overall pick all day everyday.

Expecting more than that is greedy/unrealistic. There's two or three guys a year who'll do appreciably better than that. You get a guy with 1500+ yards and double digit TD's you done yourself good.

 

[PilesOfSand]

Sorry, he had 239. I don't think that many people are questioning whether or not he can handle 50 more touches. I'm sure he can but his numbers are not going to be that great. 1500 yds and 8-10 TDs is not great for a 7th pick.

I couldn't dissagree more. I'll take 1500/10 out of my 7th overall pick all day everyday.

Everyone's average stats at the end of the season are worse than most pre-season projections because the pre-season projections usually don't include injury risks into them.1500/8-10 as a preseason projection is not good for the 7th pick. I would be dissapointed to be stuck with him but I probably wouldn't pass on Ronnie Brown at 1.12

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

biggest negative for Ronnie Brown, IMO is that Mike Mularkey will be his new offensive coordinator.Mularkey took over playcalling duties in Buffalo early last season and nearly crippled McGahee's fantasy value.just something to keep in mind.

How did Mularkey cirpple McGahee's fantasy value? McGahee pounded the ball 325 times. It was the 3.8 ypc that hurt. I know you mentioned Mularkey's tendancy to use other options than the rb at the goal line, but is that partly because of the poor buffalo O line?

it wasn't all Mularkey's fault. I was exaggerating a bit. yes, the bills o-line was a huge part of the problem last year, as was the porous defense, and mcgahee's effort wasn't always there either. It did seem as though McGahee's value started to decline after Mularkey took over play-calling last year though.I do think Mularkey misused McGahee frequently by pulling him on 3rd down and passing situations for Shaud Williams who was pretty useless....and by calling trick plays far too often that never seemed to work. I just wish he would have stuck with a smashmouth run-heavy offense instead of constantly trying to outthink everybody. With a young QB like Losman under center, his trick plays often backfired. With a QB like Culpepper, however, I could see him getting pretty creative down near the goal line...which could limit Brown's upside a little.Brown certainly has the ability and opportunity to be a top-10 fantasy RB this year, but it's far from a sure thing.

 

[Gr00vus]

Sorry, he had 239. I don't think that many people are questioning whether or not he can handle 50 more touches. I'm sure he can but his numbers are not going to be that great. 1500 yds and 8-10 TDs is not great for a 7th pick.

I couldn't dissagree more. I'll take 1500/10 out of my 7th overall pick all day everyday.

Everyone's average stats at the end of the season are worse than most pre-season projections because the pre-season projections usually don't include injury risks into them.1500/8-10 as a preseason projection is not good for the 7th pick. I would be dissapointed to be stuck with him but I probably wouldn't pass on Ronnie Brown at 1.12

Not to dogpile, but what projections are you looking at? I know we're not supposed to talk outside of school, but the average FBGs' projections for the #7 back this year are about 1550 combined yards and 10 total TD's

 

[jurb26]

Sorry, he had 239. I don't think that many people are questioning whether or not he can handle 50 more touches. I'm sure he can but his numbers are not going to be that great. 1500 yds and 8-10 TDs is not great for a 7th pick.

I couldn't dissagree more. I'll take 1500/10 out of my 7th overall pick all day everyday.

Everyone's average stats at the end of the season are worse than most pre-season projections because the pre-season projections usually don't include injury risks into them.1500/8-10 as a preseason projection is not good for the 7th pick. I would be dissapointed to be stuck with him but I probably wouldn't pass on Ronnie Brown at 1.12

Not to dogpile, but what projections are you looking at? I know we're not supposed to talk outside of school, but the average FBGs' projections for the #7 back this year are about 1550 combined yards and 10 total TD's

 

[PilesOfSand]

Sorry, he had 239. I don't think that many people are questioning whether or not he can handle 50 more touches. I'm sure he can but his numbers are not going to be that great. 1500 yds and 8-10 TDs is not great for a 7th pick.

I couldn't dissagree more. I'll take 1500/10 out of my 7th overall pick all day everyday.

Everyone's average stats at the end of the season are worse than most pre-season projections because the pre-season projections usually don't include injury risks into them.1500/8-10 as a preseason projection is not good for the 7th pick. I would be dissapointed to be stuck with him but I probably wouldn't pass on Ronnie Brown at 1.12

Not to dogpile, but what projections are you looking at? I know we're not supposed to talk outside of school, but the average FBGs' projections for the #7 back this year are about 1550 combined yards and 10 total TD's

Does it seem like I am looking at projections? I'm just making up projections as I go here and I don't subscribe to FBGs. And yes, 1500 combined yds and 9 total TDs is less than 1550 yds and 10 TDs. Honestly, I think FBGs is factoring injuries into their projections because I can't imagine all the RBs staying healthy for 16 games and 1550/10 being the 7th best RB.