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monster season for ronnie brown in miami next season

this guy is a sure fire first round pick in every fantasy draft held and he proves why he was the #2 overall pick in last years draft

ronnie brown = 2006 :moneybag: player

 
I think he was all ready going to be money next season. I figured Ricky was gone from Miami anyway.....

Ricky is done in football, I think that is a given.

 
Ronnie Brown = the next great RB, IMO. Williams was going to be gone next year one way or the other. If he doesn't get suspended, he'll be traded. Brown REALLY impressed me last year. He's got every tool you need to be a top RB & he's got a good head on his shoulders, as well.

 
(traded big for Brown last month)

I am really looking forward to watching this guy run, but as a pats fan i wish he wasnt running for another AFC east team.

 
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I think he was all ready going to be money next season. I figured Ricky was gone from Miami anyway.....

Ricky is done in football, I think that is a given.
So you are believing the report now?
 
Just want to pat myself on the back for pushing R.Brown as a top 5 dynasty player and top 10 redraft player for the past few months. :thumbup:

 
Just want to pat myself on the back for pushing R.Brown as a top 5 dynasty player and top 10 redraft player for the past few months. :thumbup:
Why? The season hasn't even started yet. How can you pat yourself on the back about a prediction, when its no where close to coming true yet.
 
Just want to pat myself on the back for pushing R.Brown as a top 5 dynasty player and top 10 redraft player for the past few months.  :thumbup:
Wow, you are the best!
Thank you, I just hope some guys were out there listening to me. They are better off today than yesterday.
 
Just want to pat myself on the back for pushing R.Brown as a top 5 dynasty player and top 10 redraft player for the past few months.  :thumbup:
Why? The season hasn't even started yet. How can you pat yourself on the back about a prediction, when its no where close to coming true yet.
If you bought low on R.Brown 2 months ago in a keeper league, you just got yourself a steal. He now has the value of a 1st rounder for the upcoming year. Pats self on back again.
 
Some of the posts here makes me crack up. Looking at stats and extrapolating it is one of the dumbest thing you can do. Lamont Jordan was supposed to be what? 2000yds+ last year? ANd Larry Johnson is supposed to get 2500 yds? LMAO.

Try watching the players a little bit...Cadillac Williams is going to have a better career than Ronnie Brown and I'm not saying that because I own Cadillac!

 
Try watching the players a little bit...Cadillac Williams is going to have a better career than Ronnie Brown and I'm not saying that because I own Cadillac!
...then please enlighten us as to why you are saying that? Did you watch how Brown runs? He's awesome. Brown has done nothing to show he aint got all the goods just like Caddy. Biggest difference last year was RWilliams vs. Allstot/Pittman. At the end, Ricky was being showcased, Allstot vultured. Are you telling me that if you switched the two RBs that Caddy's stats wouldnt have looked similiar to Brown's and vice-versa? Both have unestablished QBs, both have one solid WR and both have scetchy o-lines. Both D's are not all world but are decent. This is as close as you can get. I would take Caddy first, but would probably try to trade and get Brown instead.
 
Try watching the players a little bit...Cadillac Williams is going to have a better career than Ronnie Brown and I'm not saying that because I own Cadillac!
I think you and the average NFL fan are simply mesmerized by Williams' first name. I'm being serious. If Brown's first name was "911", you'd probably like him better than "Cadillac".* Ronnie is a more powerful runner than Cadillac. Case closed. No dispute.

* Ronnie is a better receiver than Cadillac. Case closed. No dispute.

* Ronnie is more of a homerun threat than Cadillac. Case closed. No dispute.

In '05, Cadillac edged in Ronnie is only one major category ~ RUSHING ATTEMPTS

* Brown averaged more yards/carry in BOTH their first year in the NFL (4.4 vs 3.8) and college careers (5.3 vs 5.2).

* Brown had more receptions in BOTH their first year in the NFL (32 vs 20) and college careers (58 vs 45).

* Ronnie had more big plays (7 plays of 20+ yard vs 5 plays of 20+ yards...feel free to use 30+, 40+ and 50+ instead).

Don't get me wrong...I think Cadillac is a great RB. He'll be a good one for a long time. I just think it's a tadbit unfair to Ronnie that he was sharing time with a quality RB like Ricky, while Cadillac was gaining ROY of the year honors by simply leap-frogging trailer trash like Pittman and Alstott.

 
Try watching the players a little bit...Cadillac Williams is going to have a better career than Ronnie Brown and I'm not saying that because I own Cadillac!
I think you and the average NFL fan are simply mesmerized by Williams' first name. I'm being serious. If Brown's first name was "911", you'd probably like him better than "Cadillac".* Ronnie is a more powerful runner than Cadillac. Case closed. No dispute.

* Ronnie is a better receiver than Cadillac. Case closed. No dispute.

* Ronnie is more of a homerun threat than Cadillac. Case closed. No dispute.

In '05, Cadillac edged in Ronnie is only one major category ~ RUSHING ATTEMPTS

* Brown averaged more yards/carry in BOTH their first year in the NFL (4.4 vs 3.8) and college careers (5.3 vs 5.2).

* Brown had more receptions in BOTH their first year in the NFL (32 vs 20) and college careers (58 vs 45).

* Ronnie had more big plays (7 plays of 20+ yard vs 5 plays of 20+ yards...feel free to use 30+, 40+ and 50+ instead).

Don't get me wrong...I think Cadillac is a great RB. He'll be a good one for a long time. I just think it's a tadbit unfair to Ronnie that he was sharing time with a quality RB like Ricky, while Cadillac was gaining ROY of the year honors by simply leap-frogging trailer trash like Pittman and Alstott.
When Saban was coaching LSU and they were going up against R.Brown and Cadillac at Auburn, Saban has said that his players would come back to the sideline begging to play the series when Cadillac was in at RB instead of R.Brown. That's why he chose him over Cadillac with the #2 pick.
 
Try watching the players a little bit...Cadillac Williams is going to have a better career than Ronnie Brown and I'm not saying that because I own Cadillac!
I think you and the average NFL fan are simply mesmerized by Williams' first name. I'm being serious. If Brown's first name was "911", you'd probably like him better than "Cadillac".* Ronnie is a more powerful runner than Cadillac. Case closed. No dispute.

* Ronnie is a better receiver than Cadillac. Case closed. No dispute.

* Ronnie is more of a homerun threat than Cadillac. Case closed. No dispute.

In '05, Cadillac edged in Ronnie is only one major category ~ RUSHING ATTEMPTS

* Brown averaged more yards/carry in BOTH their first year in the NFL (4.4 vs 3.8) and college careers (5.3 vs 5.2).

* Brown had more receptions in BOTH their first year in the NFL (32 vs 20) and college careers (58 vs 45).

* Ronnie had more big plays (7 plays of 20+ yard vs 5 plays of 20+ yards...feel free to use 30+, 40+ and 50+ instead).

Don't get me wrong...I think Cadillac is a great RB. He'll be a good one for a long time. I just think it's a tadbit unfair to Ronnie that he was sharing time with a quality RB like Ricky, while Cadillac was gaining ROY of the year honors by simply leap-frogging trailer trash like Pittman and Alstott.
When Saban was coaching LSU and they were going up against R.Brown and Cadillac at Auburn, Saban has said that his players would come back to the sideline begging to play the series when Cadillac was in at RB instead of R.Brown. That's why he chose him over Cadillac with the #2 pick.
:bs: What player would go up to a coach and admit that hes scared to face a guy and wants to be off the field when he is in?

 
Synth may have embellished it. Saban did say that his players preferred playing against Williams. Don't think he said scared.

 
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link:

http://www.billsbuzz.com/billsbuzz/pages/a...-2005-11-23.htm

This play was not the first in Ronnie Brown's career, nor will it be the last. When Nick Saban drafted Ronnie Brown, he told a story of how during one game where LSU played Auburn, Ronnie caught a simple swing pass and took it for a first down gain of about 10 yards. During the play, however, Saban said that it took a total of 7 LSU defenders to finally get him down. That play had as deep an effect on Saban's evaluation of Brown as any measurement, clock reading, or score at the Combine. Prior to the Carolina game, Saban was confronted by a reporter about Cadillac Williams being better than Ronnie Brown. His reply spoke volumes. Saban shared the observations of he and his coaching staff with regards to Ronnie during LSU-Auburn games. He said that he and his staff use to remark to each other that Brown was absolutely killing them, and they constantly hoped that Auburn would put Cadillac back into the game. Later, when asked about Tom Brady's career at Michigan, he pointed to a similar situation where he and his team were relieved to see that Michigan was splitting Brady's playing time with Drew Henson during games. Brady was killing them, but Henson was able to be handled.

 
link:

http://www.billsbuzz.com/billsbuzz/pages/a...-2005-11-23.htm

This play was not the first in Ronnie Brown's career, nor will it be the last. When Nick Saban drafted Ronnie Brown, he told a story of how during one game where LSU played Auburn, Ronnie caught a simple swing pass and took it for a first down gain of about 10 yards. During the play, however, Saban said that it took a total of 7 LSU defenders to finally get him down. That play had as deep an effect on Saban's evaluation of Brown as any measurement, clock reading, or score at the Combine. Prior to the Carolina game, Saban was confronted by a reporter about Cadillac Williams being better than Ronnie Brown. His reply spoke volumes. Saban shared the observations of he and his coaching staff with regards to Ronnie during LSU-Auburn games. He said that he and his staff use to remark to each other that Brown was absolutely killing them, and they constantly hoped that Auburn would put Cadillac back into the game. Later, when asked about Tom Brady's career at Michigan, he pointed to a similar situation where he and his team were relieved to see that Michigan was splitting Brady's playing time with Drew Henson during games. Brady was killing them, but Henson was able to be handled.
"As for being the most powerful elite back in the NFL, this claim is not as ridiculous as most will take it. The NFL is relatively void of grossly powerful elite backs this season. There is no Earl Campbell out there. Ricky Williams in 2002 was one of those powerful elite backs, Jerome Bettis has been one throughout his career, and in 2003 Jamal Lewis claimed Ricky’s throne for most powerful elite back. This season, however, both Ricky Williams and Jamal Lewis have only shadows of their old power; Ricky due to retirement, and Jamal due to time spent in prison. Jerome Bettis has yet to take many meaningful snaps this season, and may finally be over the hill. Ronnie Brown’s power is not displayed through a power running style, such as the styles of Larry Czonka, Earl Campbell, Jim Brown, or Ricky Williams. They all intentionally punished defenders until the end of the game those defenders were so fearful that they began diving at legs instead of squaring up for a pounding. Ronnie has punished defenders (ask Champ Bailey, who suffered a two-week injury after Ronnie laid his shoulders into him to hit him as hard as he could), but more often he lays his shoulders down to absorb the hit and stay on his feet rather than to punish the defender. He has Bo Jackson power, rather than Earl Campbell power.

During his day, Bo Jackson would square up and absorb any hit you wanted to dish him, stay on his feet, then outrun everyone to the goal line. At times, Ronnie Brown resembles a ball rolling across the ground. You can knock a ball around, make it bounce this way or that, even stop the ball from moving, but a ball can never fall down because it is a ball. After watching this young man run every play for 10 games, I can safely say that Bill Belichick was right when he labeled Brown the best back to come out of the draft since LaDainian Tomlinson."

thats some good stuff!!!!!!!!

 
All you guys been saying is Ronnie will get more contacts than Williams whcih proves my point that Cadillac will have a better career than Ronnie.....and btw, quoting Bill Belichik doesn't actually carry any weight around here. I don't care what Saban is saying about Ronnie. There is a clear popularity competition between Cadillac and Ronnie for state of Florida. Saban is going to say his to make his player feel good and Gruden will say his for Williams (called him a Warrior).

 
All you guys been saying is Ronnie will get more contacts than Williams whcih proves my point that Cadillac will have a better career than Ronnie.....and btw, quoting Bill Belichik doesn't actually carry any weight around here. I don't care what Saban is saying about Ronnie. There is a clear popularity competition between Cadillac and Ronnie for state of Florida. Saban is going to say his to make his player feel good and Gruden will say his for Williams (called him a Warrior).
I can see your point even though we had to guess; the bruisers dont last as long. Its going to be interesting to watch these two.Why would quoting BB, Saban, Gruden not carry any weight? Who you gonna quote? Pitzer? Jaws? King? USAToday? If quoting BB, who doesnt have any vested interest in Brown, doesnt carry any weight around here then perhaps my search for a new board is not complete. (im exagerating as i do like it here)

 
take a look at the combined production of Ronnie and Ricky last year and Brown could be a 20pt/wk player this yr!

 
Neither RB proved in college or the NFL to this point that they can be a 300 carry type of player. You just dont become one over night. Both have to prove to me they can do it and I dont know if they can in the end. I would not expect 16 games out of either in the end.

I prefer Brown to Caddy also but dont think either will be LT like anytime soon.

 
I think Caddy has that ability to make something out of nothing with his moves and speed, while Ronnie has the power, hands and all-round ability.

 
monster season for ronnie brown in miami next season

this guy is a sure fire first round pick in every fantasy draft held and he proves why he was the #2 overall pick in last years draft

ronnie brown = 2006  :moneybag: player
You're a fool. He's going to break down after 6 weeks.
Neither RB proved in college or the NFL to this point that they can be a 300 carry type of player. You just dont become one over night. Both have to prove to me they can do it and I dont know if they can in the end. I would not expect 16 games out of either in the end.

I prefer Brown to Caddy also but dont think either will be LT like anytime soon.
Cadillac had his adjustment time last year. Not only will he be a workhorse, but Gruden has vowed to get him heavily involved in the receiving game.
 
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I own one in my 5 keeper and the other in my 3 keeper. I think they are both awesome and i wouldnt begin to think i was wise enough to predict the future. I rank RBs by tiers in my head. I dont care which actual RB it is, just the tier. In a redraft? Im most likely going Caddy one tier higher than Brown (this is Gruden vs. Saben). In a keeper of 3, like the one i have him in, ill take Caddy, but hes in the same tier as Brown. In my 5 keeper, however, i would actually say they are dead even, same tier. They also have the tradability to land almost anyone in a multy player/pick deal.

Both RBs are young studs with FF MVP capability. In a dynasty, flip a coin and smile.

 
monster season for ronnie brown in miami next season

this guy is a sure fire first round pick in every fantasy draft held and he proves why he was the #2 overall pick in last years draft

ronnie brown = 2006 :moneybag: player
You're a fool. He's going to break down after 6 weeks.
maybe, but...rushing splits G Att Yds Avg Lg TD 1st

1ST HALF 0 112 381 3.4 22 2 20

2ND HALF 0 95 526 5.5 65 2 21

rushing splits G Att Yds Avg Lg TD 1st

ATTEMPTS 1-THROUGH-10 0 144 594 4.1 65 4 29

ATTEMPTS 11-THROUGH-20 0 55 284 5.2 58 0 10

rushing splits G Att Yds Avg Lg TD 1st

1ST QUARTER 0 61 194 3.2 14 1 9

2ND QUARTER 0 51 187 3.7 22 1 11

3RD QUARTER 0 47 281 6.0 65 1 12

4TH QUARTER 0 48 245 5.1 58 1 9

4TH (WITHIN 7) 0 32 182 5.7 58 1 7

receiving splits G Rec Yds Avg TD

SEPTEMBER GAMES 3 5 24 4.8 0

OCTOBER GAMES 4 12 90 7.5 0

NOVEMBER GAMES 4 9 64 7.1 0

DECEMBER GAMES 3 4 41 10.3 1

receiving splits G Rec Yds Avg TD

1ST QUARTER 0 10 51 5.1 0

2ND QUARTER 0 3 14 4.7 0

3RD QUARTER 0 4 23 5.8 0

4TH QUARTER 0 15 144 9.6 1

of course it's a small sample size from his rookie year, but i'd say he gets stronger as the game and the year goes on based on the stats

 
I own one in my 5 keeper and the other in my 3 keeper. I think they are both awesome and i wouldnt begin to think i was wise enough to predict the future. I rank RBs by tiers in my head. I dont care which actual RB it is, just the tier. In a redraft? Im most likely going Caddy one tier higher than Brown (this is Gruden vs. Saben). In a keeper of 3, like the one i have him in, ill take Caddy, but hes in the same tier as Brown. In my 5 keeper, however, i would actually say they are dead even, same tier. They also have the tradability to land almost anyone in a multy player/pick deal.

Both RBs are young studs with FF MVP capability. In a dynasty, flip a coin and smile.
Unless there are major scoring changes between those leagues, why would they change tiers? Either one is a better player than the other or he is not.
 
monster season for ronnie brown in miami next season

this guy is a sure fire first round pick in every fantasy draft held and he proves why he was the #2 overall pick in last years draft

ronnie brown = 2006  :moneybag: player
You're a fool. He's going to break down after 6 weeks.
maybe, but...rushing splits G Att Yds Avg Lg TD 1st

1ST HALF 0 112 381 3.4 22 2 20

2ND HALF 0 95 526 5.5 65 2 21

rushing splits G Att Yds Avg Lg TD 1st

ATTEMPTS 1-THROUGH-10 0 144 594 4.1 65 4 29

ATTEMPTS 11-THROUGH-20 0 55 284 5.2 58 0 10

rushing splits G Att Yds Avg Lg TD 1st

1ST QUARTER 0 61 194 3.2 14 1 9

2ND QUARTER 0 51 187 3.7 22 1 11

3RD QUARTER 0 47 281 6.0 65 1 12

4TH QUARTER 0 48 245 5.1 58 1 9

4TH (WITHIN 7) 0 32 182 5.7 58 1 7

receiving splits G Rec Yds Avg TD

SEPTEMBER GAMES 3 5 24 4.8 0

OCTOBER GAMES 4 12 90 7.5 0

NOVEMBER GAMES 4 9 64 7.1 0

DECEMBER GAMES 3 4 41 10.3 1

receiving splits G Rec Yds Avg TD

1ST QUARTER 0 10 51 5.1 0

2ND QUARTER 0 3 14 4.7 0

3RD QUARTER 0 4 23 5.8 0

4TH QUARTER 0 15 144 9.6 1

of course it's a small sample size from his rookie year, but i'd say he gets stronger as the game and the year goes on based on the stats
good stuff :thumbup:
 
People who don't believe in Ronnie can just not pick him next year...... and I will laugh and take money to the bank.

He will be a great 2nd round pick! Solid #2 fantasy back next year

 
Just want to pat myself on the back for pushing R.Brown as a top 5 dynasty player and top 10 redraft player for the past few months. :thumbup:
You the man. And have you seen Miami's opponents for 2006? 8 teams that ranked in the bottom 10! Ronnie could be the steal of the draft if you can get him early in the second round.

BTW, your logo ranks up there with the best of them.

 
I own one in my 5 keeper and the other in my 3 keeper. I think they are both awesome and i wouldnt begin to think i was wise enough to predict the future. I rank RBs by tiers in my head. I dont care which actual RB it is, just the tier. In a redraft? Im most likely going Caddy one tier higher than Brown (this is Gruden vs. Saben). In a keeper of 3, like the one i have him in, ill take Caddy, but hes in the same tier as Brown. In my 5 keeper, however, i would actually say they are dead even, same tier. They also have the tradability to land almost anyone in a multy player/pick deal.

Both RBs are young studs with FF MVP capability. In a dynasty, flip a coin and smile.
Unless there are major scoring changes between those leagues, why would they change tiers? Either one is a better player than the other or he is not.
In the 3 keeper the now factor is more prominant. Keepers are easier to come by. I guess i would say that i think Caddy will out perform Brown for the whole season a coaching/qb issue. Man they are close though.
 
People who don't believe in Ronnie can just not pick him next year...... and I will laugh and take money to the bank.

He will be a great 2nd round pick! Solid #2 fantasy back next year
uh huh..... YPC is nice.....http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/407235/gamelogs/2005

look at that. Under 20 Touches 3/4 of his games.

You also skewed your stats. Take a look at this:

http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/407235/splits/2005

he gets stronger as the game goes on....

...until he hits 20 carries. Then he breaks down.

The only time he's spent as a feature back was like 3 years ago, and he put up awesome numbers for about 5 weeks, then just put himself on IR.

He delivers a big hit, but he also takes a big hit, and he has proven that he can't handle the force back at him.

Like I said... go ahead and draft him as high as you want, I'll be the one laughing 6 weeks into the season.

 
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This has turned into a Caddy vs Brown topic. At this point in the offseason, I'm only willing to say both are good RB that appear to have a starting job next season in a rare situation where neither will be splitting carries. This fact alone makes them both very valuable for next season.

 
Try watching the players a little bit...Cadillac Williams is going to have a better career than Ronnie Brown and I'm not saying that because I own Cadillac!
I think you and the average NFL fan are simply mesmerized by Williams' first name. I'm being serious. If Brown's first name was "911", you'd probably like him better than "Cadillac".* Ronnie is a more powerful runner than Cadillac. Case closed. No dispute.

* Ronnie is a better receiver than Cadillac. Case closed. No dispute.

* Ronnie is more of a homerun threat than Cadillac. Case closed. No dispute.

In '05, Cadillac edged in Ronnie is only one major category ~ RUSHING ATTEMPTS

* Brown averaged more yards/carry in BOTH their first year in the NFL (4.4 vs 3.8) and college careers (5.3 vs 5.2).

* Brown had more receptions in BOTH their first year in the NFL (32 vs 20) and college careers (58 vs 45).

* Ronnie had more big plays (7 plays of 20+ yard vs 5 plays of 20+ yards...feel free to use 30+, 40+ and 50+ instead).

Don't get me wrong...I think Cadillac is a great RB. He'll be a good one for a long time. I just think it's a tadbit unfair to Ronnie that he was sharing time with a quality RB like Ricky, while Cadillac was gaining ROY of the year honors by simply leap-frogging trailer trash like Pittman and Alstott.
Why did Caddy start over Ronnie 4 years straight at Auburn?
 
This has turned into a Caddy vs Brown topic. At this point in the offseason, I'm only willing to say both are good RB that appear to have a starting job next season in a rare situation where neither will be splitting carries. This fact alone makes them both very valuable for next season.
:thumbup:
 
Try watching the players a little bit...Cadillac Williams is going to have a better career than Ronnie Brown and I'm not saying that because I own Cadillac!
I think you and the average NFL fan are simply mesmerized by Williams' first name. I'm being serious. If Brown's first name was "911", you'd probably like him better than "Cadillac".* Ronnie is a more powerful runner than Cadillac. Case closed. No dispute.

* Ronnie is a better receiver than Cadillac. Case closed. No dispute.

* Ronnie is more of a homerun threat than Cadillac. Case closed. No dispute.

In '05, Cadillac edged in Ronnie is only one major category ~ RUSHING ATTEMPTS

* Brown averaged more yards/carry in BOTH their first year in the NFL (4.4 vs 3.8) and college careers (5.3 vs 5.2).

* Brown had more receptions in BOTH their first year in the NFL (32 vs 20) and college careers (58 vs 45).

* Ronnie had more big plays (7 plays of 20+ yard vs 5 plays of 20+ yards...feel free to use 30+, 40+ and 50+ instead).

Don't get me wrong...I think Cadillac is a great RB. He'll be a good one for a long time. I just think it's a tadbit unfair to Ronnie that he was sharing time with a quality RB like Ricky, while Cadillac was gaining ROY of the year honors by simply leap-frogging trailer trash like Pittman and Alstott.
Why did Caddy start over Ronnie 4 years straight at Auburn?
Someone had to start. They have different styles. Caddy is great as a 1st and 2nd down back where Ronnie has the great hands and receiving ability on 3rd downs.
 
he gets stronger as the game goes on....

...until he hits 20 carries.  Then he breaks down.
Are you really comfortable making that statement based on 8 carries?
Owned. :popcorn:
I think the fact that he HAD only 8 carries in the 20+ column speaks a lot.Are you really comfortable in picking a guy to be your potentially No.1 back who only has 8 carries after 20 in all of his games for his entire season? On a guy who has not only still to prove that he can carry a feature back load by himself, but has now added the question whether he can run effectively splitting time?

To further support my "breaking down" ideal, here is a pretty Miami Dolphin-colored Line Graph that I drew:

http://nces.ed.gov/nceskids/createagraph/i...82440BBBDB13D92

Obviously you can see a bit of a spike in production ;) . Seriously though, notice how it steadily increases (getting stronger, gaining momentum), then starts to decrease as he breaks down.

Do you want a guy who breaks down in the clutch? When you're at the edge of your couch, constantlychecking your laptop's realtime fantasy scores, shouting at your HDTV and watching as you're trailing by 5, and Ronnie Brown, your last producing player left, suddenly stopped producing?

Or when you're in the playoffs? Do you think 40 attempts for 118 yards and no touchdowns in the last 5 weeks of the season, including MISSING the FANTASY SUPER BOWL, is No.1 back worthy?

The latter part of Ronnie Brown’s 2002 campaign is supposed to be reason to believe that he is going to be a great running back if given the chance to shoulder the full load. When Cadillac went down with a broken leg, over the last six games he played, Brown averaged 120 rushing yards per game. But a closer look reveals a real story: After 5 games, he broke down, and joined his buddy Cadillac on the sidelines with a leg injury for the last regular season game that took him about a month to recover from to play in the last game of the season.

And that's all I've got my money on for him next year: 5 games.

Any more than that will require divine intervention. And you know what, I'll probably be a gambler that drafts him in the 2nd round one spot ahead of you, and then I'm going to trade him to you about 3 weeks into the season and then laugh at you for the rest.

:boxing:

 
This has turned into a Caddy vs Brown topic.  At this point in the offseason, I'm only willing to say both are good RB that appear to have a starting job next season in a rare situation where neither will be splitting carries.  This fact alone makes them both very valuable for next season.
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Agree 100%.This thread needs to be bumped in about 2-3 years time.IMO Caddy is not a workhorse RB who can tote the rock 25-30 times a game for a whole season.He is the type of back who needs to have his workload balanced out so he can be effective for the whole season.I think the early part of 2005 was evidence of this.

As for Brown,I liked what I saw of him in 2005.Let's not forget that he missed almost all of training camp last year.By the time he was getting his bearings,RW came back and RBBC ensued for the rest of the season.We should get a better idea of how he will hold up over a season this year with RW supposedly done at least for a year.

So we basically know what Caddy can do to a certain extent,but Ronnie's rookie year left us in the dark as far as how he would handle a full NFL workload.

 
he gets stronger as the game goes on....

...until he hits 20 carries. Then he breaks down.
Are you really comfortable making that statement based on 8 carries?
Owned. :popcorn:
I think the fact that he HAD only 8 carries in the 20+ column speaks a lot.Are you really comfortable in picking a guy to be your potentially No.1 back who only has 8 carries after 20 in all of his games for his entire season? On a guy who has not only still to prove that he can carry a feature back load by himself, but has now added the question whether he can run effectively splitting time?

To further support my "breaking down" ideal, here is a pretty Miami Dolphin-colored Line Graph that I drew:

http://nces.ed.gov/nceskids/createagraph/i...82440BBBDB13D92

Obviously you can see a bit of a spike in production ;) . Seriously though, notice how it steadily increases (getting stronger, gaining momentum), then starts to decrease as he breaks down.

Do you want a guy who breaks down in the clutch? When you're at the edge of your couch, constantlychecking your laptop's realtime fantasy scores, shouting at your HDTV and watching as you're trailing by 5, and Ronnie Brown, your last producing player left, suddenly stopped producing?

Or when you're in the playoffs? Do you think 40 attempts for 118 yards and no touchdowns in the last 5 weeks of the season, including MISSING the FANTASY SUPER BOWL, is No.1 back worthy?

The latter part of Ronnie Brown’s 2002 campaign is supposed to be reason to believe that he is going to be a great running back if given the chance to shoulder the full load. When Cadillac went down with a broken leg, over the last six games he played, Brown averaged 120 rushing yards per game. But a closer look reveals a real story: After 5 games, he broke down, and joined his buddy Cadillac on the sidelines with a leg injury for the last regular season game that took him about a month to recover from to play in the last game of the season.

And that's all I've got my money on for him next year: 5 games.

Any more than that will require divine intervention. And you know what, I'll probably be a gambler that drafts him in the 2nd round one spot ahead of you, and then I'm going to trade him to you about 3 weeks into the season and then laugh at you for the rest.

:boxing:
Well excuss me if I'm wrong but didn't Caddy break down this year after getting overloaded. After 3 games of heavy work (27,24,37 carries) he broke down and could only get the ball 11 times in the next game for a 1.2 avg. Also in that 3 game stretch his yards per carry went down in every game from 5.5 to 5.3 to 4.3 to eventually 1.2. He also had to miss the next 2 weeks. Then when he returned here are his yards per carry (1.5, 2.6, 2.0) I'm just not seeing a durable back here sorry. Now they could both improve on these #'s but Ronnie was much more effective last year when getting over 15 carries. At six foot and 232 lbs. he is more built for that kind of abuse compared to the 5-10 Williams who only ways 217. Ronnie will be the much more durable back in my mind until Gruden realizes that Williams isn't a 25 carry kind of guy and he starts using him in a split backfield. I'm not taking anything away from Williams, I think he is very talented I just ? his durability.
 
he gets stronger as the game goes on....

...until he hits 20 carries. Then he breaks down.
Are you really comfortable making that statement based on 8 carries?
Owned. :popcorn:
I think the fact that he HAD only 8 carries in the 20+ column speaks a lot.
Yes, it says that he was drafted by a team with another talented RB who had his fair share of carries. Other than that, it tells us nothing.
Are you really comfortable in picking a guy to be your potentially No.1 back who only has 8 carries after 20 in all of his games for his entire season? On a guy who has not only still to prove that he can carry a feature back load by himself, but has now added the question whether he can run effectively splitting time?
In a 12-team league? Sure, he's somwhere around RB 12.
Do you think 40 attempts for 118 yards and no touchdowns in the last 5 weeks of the season, including MISSING the FANTASY SUPER BOWL, is No.1 back worthy?
No. I'll be sure to keep those data in mind when I step in my time machine and go back to last year, so I don't draft him as my RB1 in 2005. But, as for 2006, I'm not going to predict 40 attempts for 118 yards over five weeks and an injury in week 16.
 
he gets stronger as the game goes on....

...until he hits 20 carries.  Then he breaks down.
Are you really comfortable making that statement based on 8 carries?
Owned. :popcorn:
I think the fact that he HAD only 8 carries in the 20+ column speaks a lot.Are you really comfortable in picking a guy to be your potentially No.1 back who only has 8 carries after 20 in all of his games for his entire season? On a guy who has not only still to prove that he can carry a feature back load by himself, but has now added the question whether he can run effectively splitting time?

To further support my "breaking down" ideal, here is a pretty Miami Dolphin-colored Line Graph that I drew:

http://nces.ed.gov/nceskids/createagraph/i...82440BBBDB13D92

Obviously you can see a bit of a spike in production ;) . Seriously though, notice how it steadily increases (getting stronger, gaining momentum), then starts to decrease as he breaks down.

Do you want a guy who breaks down in the clutch? When you're at the edge of your couch, constantlychecking your laptop's realtime fantasy scores, shouting at your HDTV and watching as you're trailing by 5, and Ronnie Brown, your last producing player left, suddenly stopped producing?

Or when you're in the playoffs? Do you think 40 attempts for 118 yards and no touchdowns in the last 5 weeks of the season, including MISSING the FANTASY SUPER BOWL, is No.1 back worthy?

The latter part of Ronnie Brown’s 2002 campaign is supposed to be reason to believe that he is going to be a great running back if given the chance to shoulder the full load. When Cadillac went down with a broken leg, over the last six games he played, Brown averaged 120 rushing yards per game. But a closer look reveals a real story: After 5 games, he broke down, and joined his buddy Cadillac on the sidelines with a leg injury for the last regular season game that took him about a month to recover from to play in the last game of the season.

And that's all I've got my money on for him next year: 5 games.

Any more than that will require divine intervention. And you know what, I'll probably be a gambler that drafts him in the 2nd round one spot ahead of you, and then I'm going to trade him to you about 3 weeks into the season and then laugh at you for the rest.

:boxing:
Well excuss me if I'm wrong but didn't Caddy break down this year after getting overloaded. After 3 games of heavy work (27,24,37 carries) he broke down and could only get the ball 11 times in the next game for a 1.2 avg. Also in that 3 game stretch his yards per carry went down in every game from 5.5 to 5.3 to 4.3 to eventually 1.2. He also had to miss the next 2 weeks. Then when he returned here are his yards per carry (1.5, 2.6, 2.0) I'm just not seeing a durable back here sorry. Now they could both improve on these #'s but Ronnie was much more effective last year when getting over 15 carries. At six foot and 232 lbs. he is more built for that kind of abuse compared to the 5-10 Williams who only ways 217. Ronnie will be the much more durable back in my mind until Gruden realizes that Williams isn't a 25 carry kind of guy and he starts using him in a split backfield. I'm not taking anything away from Williams, I think he is very talented I just ? his durability.
Williams didn't break down, his foot landed awkwardly and he had his hamstring almost torn off. I think the fact that he mostly played through it (albeit VERY limited effectiveness) speaks volumes. This guy is averages at least 100 yards a game when he's healthy.And I think he's definitely a 25-30 touch back. Next year Gruden is going to get him heavily involved in the receiving game.

As for Ronnie Brown, I definitely agree that he's more built for abuse, but at the same time, the point is that he's soft. He's shown me that he hits very hard, but when he takes the other side of that hit he delivers, it wears on him just as much.

The knock on Cadillac was his weight at 205 coming out of college, as that's a little small for feature back weight... but at 217, he's the perfect combination of strength, size, elusiveness and speed to be a workhorse back.

The carries didn't bother Cadillac at all last season. Unlike Brown, he would continue to get stronger. Not get stronger persay, but he did not wear down near as fast as the defenses he faced. He simply delivers a systematic beating.

Still, take who you want, but Cadillac will be a much bigger fantasy producer next year and all of the successive years while either are in the NFL until Brown can toughen up.

It seems to me that a RB who plays through an injury to average 2 yards a carry for about a 6 game stretch is much more impressive than a RB who averages 2.5 yards a carry when healthy for half of his games.

 

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